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    The Four Control Dramas from the Celestine Prophecy

    The Celestine Prophecy’s 4 Control Dramas

    The sixth insight states that childhood dramas block our ability to fully experience the mystical.
    All humans, because of their upbringing, tend toward one of the four “control dramas”: intimidators steal energy from others by threat.
    Interrogators steal it by judging and questioning. Aloof people attract attention (and energy) to themselves by acting reserved or withdrawing. And poor me’s make us feel guilty and responsible for them.
    The above description from James Redfield’s book, The Celestine Prophecy, defines four ways that people are in relationship with one another.
    All are attempts to control another’s behavior. What is this need we have to control? Why do we feel it is necessary?
    We attempt to control and manipulate others because we believe that if they would change their behavior we would be happy and so would they.
    When people do things we don’t like, or when we’re not getting our way, we think they are wrong.
    Then, believing we are right and they are wrong, we think that we have the right to impose our beliefs on them.
    What we are attempting to do is protect our beliefs. How does this play out in a relationship?
    Marilyn: Control dramas are a fascinating phenomena within a relationship.

    It is usually easy to pick out our partner’s drama, but rarely do we recognize how we play into it. For example, my former husband was a classic interrogator.
    I’m convinced that James Redfield coined the term after meeting him!
    A critical man, my ex continually poked and prodded and found fault in everything I said or did.
    Sometimes I wondered what kind of perverse pleasure he got out of finding me so inadequate.
    Nothing was ever good enough for him.
    He could question me at length about anything, even something as simple as grocery shopping: “How could it take you so long to shop for food? How much did you spend this week? How could you be so extravagant?
    Were all those purchases really necessary?
    Did we need two kinds of lettuce AND tomatoes? etc.
    I once bought a deli sandwich to split with my son.
    Seeing the sandwich on the receipt, my ex blew a gasket: “How dare you waste my money on a store-bought sandwich?
    You could have made one when you got home!” (This man earned a handsome salary; $3.00 was definitely not a hardship.)
    I often felt like I was on trial. It was so infuriating; I couldn’t win. During each interrogation I would ask myself: “Why do you bother trying to talk to him?; you know what the end result is going to be.”
    Eventually I quit trying. It was then that my control drama became clear. In case I need to name it for anyone, I am aloof.

    After many years of being interrogated, I learned to protect myself by ignoring my ex as much as possible, remaining busy with children, work, school, or friends.
    I would refrain from telling him what was happening in my life and when I had to talk to him, I would be as vague as possible. He hated this behavior.

    What I didn’t recognize then are the wounds my detachment reopened for him, having grown up with a father that traveled extensively for his job; a father whose attention he wanted, but had to share with three other siblings; an aloof father.

    This re-wounding pattern is what happens over and over again in relationship. We trigger our partner’s wounds and unknowingly re-wound them.
    They, in turn, trigger our wounds and we each continue to play out old patterns.
    The reason this happens is because as our relationships deepen, our partner unconsciously touches those parts of us which need to be healed.

    In the case of my relationship with my former husband, he needed help healing the wound that triggered his interrogation drama. He needed to learn a new, more appropriate way to get attention. I, on the other hand, needed help healing the wound that caused me to withdraw and act secretive, a wound that originated with a critical mother.

    Instead, we continued to re-wound one another. We were so caught up with fighting each other’s control dramas and proving ourselves to be right that there was no room for experiencing the joy of relationship, let alone catching a glimpse of the mystical.
    The opposite of needing to control a relationship is trusting in it. In a conscious relationship there is no need or desire to control.
    It is not necessary to change our partner’s behavior or to protect our beliefs. Instead, we choose to trust ourselves, our partner, and the relationship. Depending on where we are in our growth, we can then can use the relationship to do our personal work: to recognize our wounds and control dramas; to work with our partner to heal ourselves; and, to move toward becoming more spiritual and finding higher meaning in our lives.

    Chuck: Marilyn and I are both aloof. I know that when I go into a room I will wait for others to say hello to me. I once thought I was just shy, but now realize this behavior was developed over time so that I would not have to risk being vulnerable. It was a way I could control how people interacted with me.

    I have used this behavior in all my relationships to maintain control. When Marilyn and I came together, we both knew what we wanted in a relationship, namely, an open, honest, sharing of ourself with another. Old patterns, however, are hard to die. When our relationship began, we had fights in which one of us would just leave. It could be leaving the room or leaving the house, but it was an attempt to control the other’s behavior by getting them to come after us. When we realized what we were doing, we began to change that behavior.

    Instead of leaving, we made a conscious decision to stay and try to work through the issue. That meant being vulnerable and owning what we were feeling. For example: “I’m feeling very hurt about what you said.” In this way there was no blaming or trying to control. We found that because we care about each other, when we risk being honest about our feelings, the other person is naturally drawn to our vulnerability and therefore to us. We then talk about what happened and resolve it in the moment because neither of us feels blamed or controlled.

    Lately we’ve taken this a step further by injecting humor into our conflicts. When one of us is inadvertently critical of the other, the injured person might say something like: “What type of feeling did you want me to have by your last statement?”
    Said in a humorous way it becomes a clue that the other was hurt and it is immediately dealt with, usually with an embarrassed laugh of recognition. We’re continually learning what it takes to overcome our control dramas. We still have disagreements, but because we both recognize our tendencies toward aloofness, we have an awareness of when we withdraw. We can then choose to break the habit by owning what’s going on in the moment and talking about what just happened. We are having fun with our attempts at humor and they usually work.

    Marilyn and Chuck:This is our life’s work, exploring new ways to use our relationship for personal growth. It includes staying in integrity with ourselves and choosing to help heal instead of re-wound each other. We believe that one of the greatest gifts we can give the people in our lives is being 100% who we are. It is then that each person will be challenged and can take responsibility for their own lives, fears, and emotions. In this way we become whole.
    This article, written by Marilyn and Chuck, is reprinted with permission from Woman’s Way Magazine. Copyright © 2001 the Relationship Specialists, Inc. All rights reserved.

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    The conquering of self is truly greater than were one to conquer many worlds.
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    Default Re: The Four Control Dramas From The Celestine Prophecy

    The celestine prophecy is an awesome book. I tend to think more metaphysical forces affect our perceptions than mere psychology, however. We don't have it all figured out to a science yet.
    "As long as you still view the stars as something above you, you still lack a viewpoint of knowledge" -Fredrich Nietzche

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    Thanks DNA. I needed that right now. Have read all the Celestine books and needed a quick refresher!
    ---------- If you don’t stand for something you will fall for anything ----------

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    more than ever before, energy levels are peaking and if you are to keep the peace in a relationship you need to be reading what is going on.

    when to feed positive energy and when to draw down the negative is an art

    anyone remember an arguments are futile moment... nothing you could say or do will make it better...


    so you just smile...


    they were digging for angry energy, and you just blasted them with love...


    result in most cases is an explosion, but you shielded with a smile, the angrier they are, the more peaceful you become...


    they can't fight with peace, so their anger is released...
    Coincidence or Destiny, it's all in the art of knowing.... III IIII charts ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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    Quote Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)
    more than ever before, energy levels are peaking and if you are to keep the peace in a relationship you need to be reading what is going on.

    when to feed positive energy and when to draw down the negative is an art

    anyone remember an arguments are futile moment... nothing you could say or do will make it better...


    so you just smile...


    they were digging for angry energy, and you just blasted them with love...


    result in most cases is an explosion, but you shielded with a smile, the angrier they are, the more peaceful you become...


    they can't fight with peace, so their anger is released...
    To a degree everyone practices energy thievery. Recognizing it and working on minimizing it is key, but, there is just no way you are not going to get hooked every once in a while and turn the tables on someone.
    There is no way I'm going to say I'm holier than though and haven't told a "poor me" to quit whining, or confronted an intimidater and let them know exactly what it is they are doing, or told an inquisitioner to keep their needling pessimistic judging to them selves.

    I think intimidaters and poor me's are the easiest drama types to recognize.
    Aloofs are the hardest.
    Inquisitioners are obvious when they are a family member, but sometimes it's hard to know when constructive critisism begins and soul sucking disempowerment by putting you off balance takes over.

    I think you make a good point Rocky Shorz, and that sometimes, you have to step outside the game and recognize when some one just needs a hug.
    Some times we should just give our energy to folks who really need it.
    Not always, and certainly not to the point of depletion. But, there are times when it is better to just try and help.
    Especially parents where kids and such are involved.
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    well you would really be amazed how much energy you have, when you surround yourself with peace, and they release...

    the anger is gone from them, and then they feel bad...


    another smile this time not as a shield, but as a friend...


    as energy builds, so does laughter...


    laughter is healing...


    energy levels are higher after than before, and now it is all good...


    so shouldn't you both be drained instead of feeling stronger?


    there is no end to your energy, just a body that needs rest...
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    if you look at anything or anyone to find its beauty, you are feeding it energy it will grow from...

    Looking at a plant seeing how dry it is, makes it dryer... Looking at the new shoots from the main branch, feeds it energy to grow from...
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    well you would really be amazed how much energy you have, when you surround yourself with peace, and they release...

    the anger is gone from them, and then they feel bad...


    another smile this time not as a shield, but as a friend...


    as energy builds, so does laughter...


    laughter is healing...


    energy levels are higher after than before, and now it is all good...


    so shouldn't you both be drained instead of feeling stronger?


    there is no end to your energy, just a body that needs rest...
    I agree and disagree.
    We are an infinite soul in a finite body, with finite energy associated with it.
    Kind of like this picture

    The energy that get's exchanged between folks is the aura energy.
    The Chi energy in the aura goes where one's attention goes.
    It's cool to give your attention and your energy to somebody, but one has to be carefull not to be taken advantage of.
    Like in this picture here.

    In this picture we have someone who has used a control drama on someone else and stolen their energy, thus deflating their field.
    Yes it can be replenished through rest, and especially sleep, but it is still a undesrable state to find one self in.
    Especially for the remainder of the day.
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    have you ever heard of the 11th insight?

    once you've achieved the 10th, you are no longer limited to your energy...
    Coincidence or Destiny, it's all in the art of knowing.... III IIII charts ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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    have you ever heard of the 11th insight?

    once you've achieved the 10th, you are no longer limited to your energy...
    I'm going to be honest here.
    I love the Celestine Prophecy's 1-8 insights. Top notch stuff.
    The 9th insight, is talking about some David Wilcock type ascension stuff.
    I would love for that stuff to be true, to be able to vibrate at such a high freqency that you dissapear from those who are still lower frequency, but until I do it, or hear of a seminar where some one is doing this stuff for all to see, it is relagated to the stuff of legend as far as I am concerned. A myth. Unpractible in casual conversation in terms of application.

    The tenth insight is in regards to understanding the POWER of group dynamics, and makiing it easier for a individual to resonate thier higher selves when empowered by a willing group giving them their attention/energy.
    This in my opinion is what you may be alluding to, and I must say, this is our best hope in choosing a leader and elevating him to the point of making the right choices for our planet.
    The eleventh insight was really much better than I thought it was going to be, and for all intensive purposes, was "The Secret" before the secret came out.
    All about the power of intention. The power of intention is real, and it is not. In my opinion, it is only real for someone who has gone through the pain and solitude of extreme introspection, and truelly knows themself inside and even further inside and then even further inside.

    In my humble opinion, you can not voice the power of intention, until you have silenced all of the socially planted voices that ask for things counter to that intention.

    The 11tth insight discusses this power of intention and using that power of intention to activate the ninth insight and resonate at a higher frequency.

    That being said, I being a mere mortal who resides in the third dimension will not make claims I can vibrate at a higher frequency indefinatly, disapear from the view of my peers and provide limitless energy to those who wish to use me as a resource of limitless power.

    If you have achieved such a state, more power to you. But there is a difference between reading something and being able to put it into actual practice. And knowing that difference is what I would call pragmatism. I never cease to be amazed out how undervalued pragmatism is in the pursuits of spirituality.
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    well I see what they are teaching as metaphorical, I used to cross to heaven to talk with missing children to solve their cases... the 10th is knowing there is a beyond...

    in the books and movies they talk about physically disappearing, but I consider it more of a dimension that can be passed through while still being physically here. In the alternative community, people think it means alternative belief, but it doesn't those who call heaven source, have never seen it... I chuckle with a whatever when I hear it, but how they show in the movie the intense colors of all living things, a bird singing sounds like a 10,000 singing at once, all of your sense incredibly enhanced... sheer beauty, but it isn't here on earth like the movie shows, more like a portal to an incredible land.

    The 11th insight to me is the step past knowing of the beyond when you join a combined Spirit of all who are a part of this reality. Seeing glimpses of the future in time to warn the other Spirits to make a change...

    a manipulation of timelines on a Global Scale, Billions of Souls combining to move forward

    all waking up and seeing just a handful trying to lead the world down a path of darkness...

    the power struggle is over the moment everyone opens their eyes
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    So your saying you can bodily move into heaven at will?
    So, if a person were standing next to you while you were doing this, would they see you dissapear?
    I don't mean to sound skeptical, but, well, I was just born that way.
    I come from the Show Me State.

    I for instance talk about spirits and how this topic of energy relates with ghosts and what not.
    I also talk about the long hard road I had to hoe before i could see them and the practical meditations I had to do in order to get my third eye buzzing.
    How To See A Ghost For Your Self
    I also further discuss the dynamics behind energy stealing and fourth dimensional ghost and other spectral beings in this thread I started here. Parasitic Non-Organic Multidimensional Beings
    I try not to make supernatural claims without showing step by step progresion to such a state, because to do so wouldn't be helping anybody, quite on the contrary, it would serve as to project a desired image and thus, create a cult of personality-persona.
    To be concerned with image and not teaching is to do exactly the kind of thing the Celestine Prophecy warns us about.
    We shouldn't be concerned with making grand claims.
    For unless those grand claims are accompanied with the ability to show others how to accomplish the same thing, then those claims come devoid of wisdom.
    I would guess the creator isn't in the habit of blessing people with extroadinary gifts who are devoid of wisdom.

    I prefer to discuss things that are in the realm of possibillity. Rather than make inferences and speculate on what is possible.
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    more of a picture in picture when I do it out of dreams, I was just gathering info however possible. In dreams, some are in color, but when you visit, its in Spectacu-color... touch feel smell... enhanced to unexplained levels, not even the finest CDs compare in "fullness" you have only heard in 3D but in this dream it is 4th... How can you dream a reality you've never experienced if it doesn't exist?

    and as for me, I lead by example, have laid out in black and white things that many have always wanted proof of...

    I like the Celestine properties in what it quickly teaches, I don't see people going through a single path, a multitute of choices to get there, ending at the point they were meant to... knowing "The way" doesn't get you there faster, just happier...
    Coincidence or Destiny, it's all in the art of knowing.... III IIII charts ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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    more of a picture in picture when I do it out of dreams, I was just gathering info however possible. In dreams, some are in color, but when you visit, its in Spectacu-color... touch feel smell... enhanced to unexplained levels, not even the finest CDs compare in "fullness" you have only heard in 3D but in this dream it is 4th... How can you dream a reality you've never experienced if it doesn't exist?
    One is quite capable of astral travel in dreams and going to actual places in my opinion. Of this I have very little doubt.
    But, as far as I am aware, access to the heaven worlds is not possible.
    Access to the fourth dimension, the place of ghosts who have not passed on is very possible. And these ghosts are very capable of creating a "power of intention" reality with the energy they take from the third dimension and using it to alter the plieable construct of the fourth dimension. Thus creating strange and spectacular environments.
    Travel to the heaven worlds is by invitation only, and leaving one's mortal coil is a requirement before that invitation is made.

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    and as for me, I lead by example, have laid out in black and white things that many have always wanted proof of...

    I like the Celestine properties in what it quickly teaches, I don't see people going through a single path, a multitute of choices to get there, ending at the point they were meant to... knowing "The way" doesn't get you there faster, just happier...
    Very well then.
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    All this control drama talk, and no one has volunteered which one they are.


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    Quote Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)
    more of a picture in picture when I do it out of dreams, I was just gathering info however possible. In dreams, some are in color, but when you visit, its in Spectacu-color... touch feel smell... enhanced to unexplained levels, not even the finest CDs compare in "fullness" you have only heard in 3D but in this dream it is 4th... How can you dream a reality you've never experienced if it doesn't exist?
    One is quite capable of astral travel in dreams and going to actual places in my opinion. Of this I have very little doubt.
    But, as far as I am aware, access to the heaven worlds is not possible.
    Access to the fourth dimension, the place of ghosts who have not passed on is very possible. And these ghosts are very capable of creating a "power of intention" reality with the energy they take from the third dimension and using it to alter the plieable construct of the fourth dimension. Thus creating strange and spectacular environments.
    Travel to the heaven worlds is by invitation only, and leaving one's mortal coil is a requirement before that invitation is made.

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    and as for me, I lead by example, have laid out in black and white things that many have always wanted proof of...

    I like the Celestine properties in what it quickly teaches, I don't see people going through a single path, a multitute of choices to get there, ending at the point they were meant to... knowing "The way" doesn't get you there faster, just happier...
    Very well then.
    I started solving missing children cases, then called to the big guy to deliver messages, yes there is a Nirvana for souls to rest and regroup, but that is also where you cross into the light when you aren't coming back here for another round. Spirits are everywhere in this dimension that haven't taken the step. so why are any left behind? As for Dimensions, I have been in 3 outside of our own, but it is the same as here, only 1 has the 4D experience, and that is Nirvana, where dreams and heaven meet. one was where the Hall of Kings were located, in darkness, that is where Abaddon was holding his army... the second was through the doorway I brought the army through, it was London gray, no sun but very bright. That was where the Battle with Abaddon happened before he jumped into a Lake of Fire...

    for thousands of years, teachers have taught what they know, and students have listened, but for a student to be able to see it in black and white gives them more than just understanding, it gives them truths to build on to grow their inner Spirit, and the knowing they can do it too.

    The Celestine properties does a very good job of explaining the concepts in simple English, I'm just sharing what I have learned through experience for when others reach the same point...

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    been there, done that... it's awesome


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    Default Re: The Four Control Dramas From The Celestine Prophecy

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    I am here to ask for help, and I appreciate all your efforts...
    I'm bringing this across from the other thread because it will have meaning for many.

    what happened over there was, I took a few things he had said after telling him to listen, was thinking live metal but wrote live music...

    as he read it he saw duel meaning instantly repeating what I was thinking. I would consider it an insight, right now many people are "feeling" written words. but to communicate beyond the written word is something strong in Genx-z... they type a 6 letter message, it expands in their friends head to a full sentence or paragraph.

    now to be a musician for someone that feels words is a natural, but being able to weave thought into your songs, are part of your gifts.

    if you sing, walking through the valley of death while thinking of Zombies, that is the image everyone will see hearing your song, but if you sang the same song while thinking about being watched over by an angel it will send that message.

    same thing with video games, you can leave mind clues to secret passages, only the gifted will hear it, the rest have cheats...

    now what I want to point out is what you also said, about going up on stage...

    dropping Death Metal and going to Live Metal was me, your Spirit gave you the image that taking the step would put you on stage.

    so you do have the ability to hear, and be guided...
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    Default Re: The Four Control Dramas From The Celestine Prophecy

    Rocky, DNA, anyone else familiar with the principles of the Celestine Prophecy,

    are any of you familiar with the books Search for God 1 and 2?

    it's a "christian" study guide that was put together by querying the Edgar Cayce source for a clear path to the higher spiritual states. In my estimation it would be seen as a building upon the concepts put forth by Redfield, only fifty or more years earlier. Rocky, you especially would get a kick out of it, if you're not already familiar....

    Books 1 and 2 are available in one volume on amazon, and I guarantee it would be worth the expense to have it.
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    Default Re: The Four Control Dramas From The Celestine Prophecy

    Very interesting Rocky.

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