Planet X/Nibiru/Tyche/Hercolobus/Elenin

[ponda]

Posted by truthseekerdan (here)
Hi folks, more info...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=lycEGSV9hhY

Nice find Dan

One question might be that if this is indeed accurate how long are they going to be able to keep a lid on this from the mainstream media and if/when it breaks what then...

[nearing]

Posted by Operator (here)

Posted by nearing (here)

Posted by Operator (here)
One theory (still) is that the earthquakes are man made (or amplified/aimed energy bursts from the sun) specifically synchronized with the JPL data
(or vice versa) to scare the hell out of 'awake' observers.

So what's the status on (amateur) astronomers' difficulty to find this thing ... real or bogus ?
That might give us a better clue on what's real and what not.

That is true, they certainly COULD be doing that. Seems a bit expensive and elaborate of a program if only to scare awake individuals (there aren't that many of us) and many of us in that category aren't scared at all but more amused.

And don't forget the uptick in smaller earthquakes since the New Year (as it gets much closer), the magnetic pole drifting, the animals deaths, the moon 'turning' to a strange position, etc. Do you think man has the capability of making all of those things happen at once too?

And then we have the predictions of the ancient texts and inscriptions, too numerous to list. Oh, and the 3600 year cyclical extinction events. Hmmm.

Time will tell, of course. It's a great show! I am loving it! No doom in my heart. This is the reason I came to be here now. I WANT to be a part of this event!

What you say is true ... it's however not the hard more scientific evidence we're looking for.
I don't mind doing some brainstorming ... it might open some new visions to investigate.

The reason I brought up the man-made issue and the scare theme is because it follows the warnings made by Wernher von Braun.
The asteroid problem would come before the alien scare tactics and they seem to be moving that direction already too.
Is this their attempt of the asteroid scare tactics ?
Besides the assumptions we can make it's up to them (originators of such plans) to give a more elaborate answer on the "why
spending money on it" question.

I would like more scientific proof too. Problem with that is that any scientist who goes near it gets laughed at because the government hasn't admitted it. "Gee, if it were true, wouldn't the government have told us by now?" And I personally think many were told to stay away from this subject due to the problem of spreading panic, which IS a real concern.

I think the government would rather that people be kept in the dark on this issue. And the government may have closed this down.

If we were in their shoes, we may have done the same thing. What would be the use of announcing that huge catastrophes for which we have to way of stopping are headed our way, especially if they know that no one really has a chance of surviving it unless they live underground for up to a year?

Let them all live blissfully in ignorance until the end.

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Posted by ponda (here)

Posted by truthseekerdan (here)
Hi folks, more info...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=lycEGSV9hhY

Nice find Dan

One question might be that if this is indeed accurate how long are they going to be able to keep a lid on this from the mainstream media and if/when it breaks what then...

They are going to keep it quiet until they absolutely can't anymore and even then they will downplay it.

[greybeard]

I suspect you are right nearing.

What I do think is good is that this thread looks at what information we have, thanks to all who contribute with videos etc, in an adult balanced way with respectful interaction.
Chris

[ponda]

nearing said:

They are going to keep it quiet until they absolutely can't anymore and even then they will downplay it.

Yes that makes perfect sense.You would think that they would have to start to close a lot of stuff down at some stage.Things like nuclear power plants etc.A lot of what 'they' have been doing over the past decades is starting to make sense now.The underground bases,racking up the debt,securing oil fields etc and now they have compulsory government alerts built into mobile phones.

[truthseekerdan]

Posted by ponda (here)
Nice find Dan

One question might be that if this is indeed accurate how long are they going to be able to keep a lid on this from the mainstream media and if/when it breaks what then...

Thanks ponda, those in the 'know' (elite) rely on DUMS. Are they going to be safe? That's the question... IMHO don't think so.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=P1jIG5KSeMs

https://youtube.com/watch?v=P1jIG5KSeMs

[ponda]

truthseekerdan said:

those in the 'know' (elite) rely on DUMS. Are they going to be safe? That's the question... IMHO don't think so.

I just can't help but think that there are other factors involved here that 'they' aren't aware of.

[nearing]

Well, I am off to take my medical Board exam now. Prayers would be helpful!

See you all on the other side of this long road I have been on...

[Operator]

Posted by greybeard (here)
I suspect you are right nearing.

What I do think is good is that this thread looks at what information we have, thanks to all who contribute with videos etc, in an adult balanced way with respectful interaction.
Chris

Hi Chris,

I posted a question for you somewhere else (can't even find it myself no more) and it got snowed under. It 's maybe a bit off-topic but I
think still related now DUMBS are mentioned again.

I think I've read somewhere that you summarized 'The Event' and that an extra terrestrial group was awaiting more of them to arrive correct ?
If you could confirm this then my question in general to everyone was:

"Could the DUMBs and Chinese ghost towns be a preparation for such an arrival ?"

Since movies are about programming ... I got this idea from a movie like district 9 in which earthlings don't know what to do with them and
want to relocate them outside our own living areas. DUMBs could be e.g. quarantine areas.

We may need to open a new thread if responses to this post tend to divert from the topic too much.

[greybeard]

Hi operator
I try to keep it as simple as possible.
ETs just add to my confusion.
I think I answered you some where though.

anyway

If friendly aliens are coming here to survive a disaster on their own planet I would not have a prob with that but like you said that another subject.

Chris

[truthseekerdan]

More mysteries explained in this great documentary. An old goodie, also recommended for Bashi to watch.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=AHBBXiLPHOU

https://youtube.com/watch?v=AHBBXiLPHOU

[OnyxKnight]

Posted by nearing (here)
It's cold, gives off no light. Will not be seen until it is close enough to reflect our sun's light.

You haven't debunked the Brown Dwarf theory, imho.

As somebody acquainted a lil bit with astronomy, I disagree.

Brown dwarfs may be failed stars, or in other words they have failed to sustain hydrogen-1 fusion reactions in their core, that main sequence stars have, but they still radiate heat!



As you can see, the heat does emit light. Faint, but its there.

Also, even if it was cold as Jupiter, it should be visible if its as close as Pluto, let alone near Mars.

And take in consideration that the size and heat that a brown dwarf radiates should make the sub-star even more visible, especially if its anywhere near the inner Solar System.

Like I said before, the brown dwarf theory is bollocks.

Posted by nearing (here)
And then we have the predictions of the ancient texts and inscriptions, too numerous to list. Oh, and the 3600 year cyclical extinction events. Hmmm.

lol, oh really?

Care to compose a timetable?

These "cycles" are not precise, at all.

[truthseekerdan]

There are many types of Brown Dwarfs out there. Some are as cold as just a few degrees above absolute zero, and not easily seen even in infrared...

[OnyxKnight]

Posted by truthseekerdan (here)
There are many types of Brown Dwarfs out there. Some are as cold as just a few degrees above absolute zero, and not easily seen even in infrared...

Y: < 500 K, ultra-cool brown dwarfs (theoretical)

As of early 2009, the coolest known brown dwarfs have estimated effective temperatures between 500 and 600 K, and have been assigned the spectral class T9. Three examples are the brown dwarfs CFBDS J005910.90-011401.3, ULAS J133553.45+113005.2, and ULAS J003402.77−005206.7.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_dwarf

There are no known brown dwarfs the class you are suggesting.

What does fit the class you suggest, is a large Jovian planet, with big mass, and warm gases flowing in its atmosphere, that reach temperatures above zero.

The problem with that is, even if it was Jovian, it would still be visible if it was near the inner solar system!

I dunno how many times this needs to be repeated.

If it was a warm Jovian planet like you suggest, to have that temperature, it would have to be in orbit somewhere in between the orbits of Earth and Mars

[truthseekerdan]

OnyxK, there is a lot of info about this subject. One just have to do more digging...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Ma3TNlIZC_I

http://coolcosmos.ipac.caltech.edu/c...wn_dwarfs.html

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One more here: http://wise.ssl.berkeley.edu/science_browndwarfs.html

[OnyxKnight]

Posted by truthseekerdan (here)
OnyxK, there is a lot of info about this subject. One just have to do more digging...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Ma3TNlIZC_I

http://coolcosmos.ipac.caltech.edu/c...wn_dwarfs.html

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One more here: http://wise.ssl.berkeley.edu/science_browndwarfs.html

And all this goes contrary to what I said - how exactly?

With all this you just confirmed what I said in the previous post.

[bashi]

Posted by truthseekerdan (here)
Welcome home bashi The fact of the matter is that no one knows exactly what ELEnin is, or even if there is another object(s) coming with it... We will have to wait and be dazzled.

That is not correct. We know something (not all) about cosmic bodies. The observed features of ELENIN are clearly showing that it is not a Brown Dwarf. If you ignore facts, then you are at risc of misjudgement...

The video you posted is pure fearmongering.
The c-span snip of "Rep. John Hailer" is a proven HOAX!
It has been discussed already a year ago here on Avalon:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=4bzW2Mt7oOI

[bashi]

Posted by OnyxKnight (here)

From what I found so far is that they used acoustic frequency targeted at a specific spot on the Moon. What they got back on their equipment was ringing sounds.

I can't find the names of the scientists. But I believe its the same Russian scientists like the duo from the early 70s that proposed a 'Spaceship Moon' theory, I believe, for the first time. They were Alexander Scherbakov and Mihkai Vasin.

Since this object is supposed to get near the Moon, I was thinking maybe a similar experiment can be attempted. Although because of the size of the object, focusing such a concentrated sound might be difficult.

But I can't prove it to you in any other way. This is the only way it can be proven.

Maybe if pictures of the 'send-off' are taken, you may change your mind.

That can't be! Acoustic waves can NOT travel to the moon and come back, simply because there is no medium (air) which can transmit them.

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[bashi]

Posted by nearing (here)
bashi:

Do you really think that an astronomer would have problems in finding an object which is 20 times bigger than Mars and nearly as close as Mars?
Therefore ELENIN can not be a brown dwarf.

If it is a brown dwarf, they wouldn't be able to see it other than with a very big infrared telescope. This is why the amateur astronomer finding it is bunk. (he may have found an incidental comet out there near it, but not the Dwarf that IS perturbing us when it aligns, according to the JPL software).

It's cold, gives off no light. Will not be seen until it is close enough to reflect our sun's light.

You haven't debunked the Brown Dwarf theory, imho.

We are talking about the proof that Elenin can NOT be a brown dwarf. You didn't understand my logic: I am not debunking any Brown Dwarf theory EXCEPT that Elenin is a BD.

[Rocky_Shorz]

as for earth changes...

something I noticed that was curious this week on stereo...



notice the breaks at the exact same time each day? from what I've been watching these breaks only happen on a burst, but at the same time every day? That is the earthside info, and it is also showing up on A and B, any ideas?





whales only sing once a day?

Dark Energy counts from SDO peak at the same time.



it takes 3 days for the energy to reach us which means right now the plates are charging and quakes have already started growing.

Magnitude 6.3
Date-Time

Friday, June 03, 2011 at 00:05:03 UTC
Friday, June 03, 2011 at 10:05:03 AM at epicenter
Time of Earthquake in other Time Zones

Location 37.294°N, 143.912°E
Depth 31 km (19.3 miles)

[bashi]

Posted by Operator (here)

Posted by nearing (here)
bashi:

Do you really think that an astronomer would have problems in finding an object which is 20 times bigger than Mars and nearly as close as Mars?
Therefore ELENIN can not be a brown dwarf.

If it is a brown dwarf, they wouldn't be able to see it other than with a very big infrared telescope. This is why the amateur astronomer finding it is bunk. (he may have found an incidental comet out there near it, but not the Dwarf that IS perturbing us when it aligns, according to the JPL software).

It's cold, gives off no light. Will not be seen until it is close enough to reflect our sun's light.

You haven't debunked the Brown Dwarf theory, imho.

Problem is that we start trusting the JPL data ... while JPL has a dubious history too.
I have not made my mind up yet ... just monitoring all the bits and pieces on this topic, evaluating them as best as I can.

One theory (still) is that the earthquakes are man made (or amplified/aimed energy bursts from the sun) specifically synchronized with the JPL data
(or vice versa) to scare the hell out of 'awake' observers.

So what's the status on (amateur) astronomers' difficulty to find this thing ... real or bogus ?
That might give us a better clue on what's real and what not.

JPL data has been used to create the scare and to prove that Elenin must be a Brown Dwarf. If you question now the data, then you question ANY discussion.

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