Carbon Tax introduced in Australia

[Monitor]

Problem --Reaction-- Solution

We are sold the fuel by the elite--the enviornment gets polluted--the elite tax us on carbon that is the result of the fuel they sold us in the first place.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=WrPwbBI5Yd4

[pharoah21]

Because this is not in our best interest, or the best interest of the environment. You could remove the word 'Carbon' and put anything else in there, as long as the word 'tax' is there, then they are happy.

I think this is a move to delay the inevitable collapse of the economy. Take more money from the people, so the government can keep running.

It makes sence for them.

[oceanz]

Is it really too much to ask for an unbiased report on climate change? One that takes into account:
* Record hot weather and droughts
* Record cold weather and floods
* Volcanic eruptions
* Solar flares
* Weather manipulation
* Haarp
* Weather patterns on other planets in our solar system.

Why not give rebates for green initiatives (installing solar panels, rainwater tanks etc).

Why not work out how much Carbon Dioxide a drought tolerant tree actually consumes and then plant some of them on the council verges to offset your Carbon footprint?

I think for a lot of Australians we have already reduced our electricity consumption, implemented green initiatives, reduce vehicle use etc and yet it won't matter as the Carbon tax is based on income only.

Besides the heavy industries (coal mines etc) - take a look at the list below and how much these retail and food industries will be taxed and they have said they will pass their costs onto the consumers.

http://www.news.com.au/money/carbon-...#ixzz1RrN7myYg

Carbon: The cost on business.

Westfarmers:$134m
Qantas: $108m
Woolworths: $73m
Telstra: $37m
Nestle Australia: $5.4m
Coca Cola: $4.8m
ALDI: $4.5m
Tabcorp: $4m
McDonalds: $3.4m
Cadbury: $2.4m
Virgin Blue: $45m
Murray Golbourn: $16.7m
Tiger Airways: $5.3m
Harvey Norman: $4.7m
Competitive Foods: $3.7m
Bega cheese: $3.5m
Mars Australia: $3.3m
Uniting Church Property Trust: $2.5m

Source: Dept of Climate Change - National Greenhouse and Energy Reporting. Calculations based on a carbon price of $26 per tonne, combining Scope 1 and 2 emissions.

It will result in jobs lost and I think this was the easiest option that the Government chose to use to 'help' the enviroment...

[ponda]

These days whenever something 'new' is introduced by the gov then i just assume that they are doing the wrong thing.

The whole mainstream debate in Oz about climate change/global warming has been extremely limited in scope.There has been no mention of any cosmic influence(sun mainly) and no mention that the planet is usually in a more cooler climate and has been hotter.I would imagine that not many people know that CO2 only accounts for 0.04% of the atmosphere.The chances are that CO2 has virtually no or very little effect on weather/climate.It can't be conclusively proven either way imo.The whole thing has been a sham from the start.

There is also some evidence that trees and plants have increased their intake of CO2 of late.This would appear to be a natural balancing of the atmosphere.

link: http://face.ornl.gov/StemResp.pdf

After watching the msm reaction to the carbon tax introduction it seems that the msm is pro carbon tax.This confirms imo that they are doing the wrong thing by introducing this tax.The tax will rise over time and in reality achieve little if anything except squeezing the population even more.Also the indirect costs to the average person will be higher than the gov and msm state.

The industries that are being taxed for carbon pollution should not be able to 'pass on' the costs to consumers.It should come from their ever growing profits.But the gov won't force them to do this because they pander to big industry.

[Tane Mahuta]

Posted by Monitor (here)
Problem, Reaction, Solution

Hi monitor, totally agree re:- "David Ike" Problem Reaction Solution,

[oceanz]

This is a very old article, but would be interested to see what their findings were after studying it for 11 years:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/557021.stm
Friday, 10 December, 1999, 15:41 GMT
Bacteria found in Antarctic ice core

In addition, the Antarctic ice cores provide a continuous climate record stretching back more than 400,000 years. Obtaining sediment samples from the bottom of Lake Vostok could extend the climate record to cover millions of years.

[Shocking Display]

Here is your answer to all the questions of Who, How, What, Why and When. -
Bank accepts carbon credits as currency - Michael Condon
Merchant Bank Rothschild Australia have set up a joint venture that is aiming to begin trading in carbon credits. Rothschilds have made the move on the assumption that the Kyoto protocol will be ratified next year. The scheme has been welcomed by the agriculture sector for the environmental and economic spin offs that may be open to farmers in the future in selling credits. Rothschild Australia is setting up a managed investment scheme, that aims to buy and sell carbon credits to multinational companies, to offset the companies' greenhouse gas emissions. Rothschild's Simon Games-Thomas says the scheme is more about learning how to legally sell this new type of commodity, rather than turning a profit. "It’s less of a profitable enterprise than trying to get involved in the market place. There’ve been a lot of questions asked by clients of the bank about how the protocol or how working in a carbon constrained world is going to affect their business and in response to those questions we decided to put together the consortium."
The move has been welcomed by Professor Snow Barlow, from the research centre for Greenhouse Accounting. Professor Barlow says the process of trading carbon credits can earn money for farmers with tree lots, as well as having an obvious benefit for the environment. "I see it as another step along what is proving to be quite a long road towards actually giving a value to carbon – that’s what it’s all about. People that own land and who cultivate woody perennial vegetation are essentially farming carbon."
Simon Games-Thomas: Assistant Director, Rothchilds Australia
Professor Snow Barlow: Member of the CRC for Greenhouse Accounting, University of Melbourne
http://www.abc.net.au/rural/sa/stories/s663036.htm

Anyone see the fallacy in this statement? "It’s less of a profitable enterprise than trying to get involved in the market place."

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I also submit that if the Rothschilds say that Kyoto will be ratified next year, that Kyoto will be ratified next year. Anyone got a spare $50 I can borrow for Ladbrokes?

[Anchor]

Will it be applied to coal that is exported to China?