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    Australia's most popular talkback presenter, Alan Jones is a phenomenon. He's described by many as the nation's greatest orator and motivational speaker. Alan has the mind and capacity to make complex issues understandable to the largest Breakfast audience in Australia.
    Alan Jones Comments 21/07/2011

    The former New South Wales Premier, Morris Iemma has now expressed opposition to the carbon tax. And he said that the carbon tax that forms Federal Labor's platform for re-election in 2013 is environmentally marginal, economically costly and will lead Labor to an historic electoral train wreck.

    The former New South Wales Premier, Morris Iemma has now expressed opposition to the carbon tax.

    And he said that the carbon tax that forms Federal Labor's platform for re-election in 2013 is environmentally marginal, economically costly and will lead Labor to an historic electoral train wreck.

    Morris Iemma has said, "One thing's for sure, it won't change the world but it could change the Government".

    And he accused the Gillard Government of betraying the Hawke Keating legacy of economic reform, instead embracing the environmental policies of the Greens' agenda.

    Well, who is listening.

    It's not just the carbon tax or carbon dioxide tax as it should be called.

    But all the paraphernalia surrounding it.

    I read a piece the other day, I think it was by Tony Wright, in, I think, the Fairfax Press.

    But it beggars belief.

    Someone's done some work on all the statutory authorities that would be given birth under this ridiculous carbon tax proposal.

    You've seen all the ads that we're paying for, 25 million dollars worth of them, also in breach, as I said yesterday, of the Government's own guidelines set up by Kevin Rudd, called the clean energy future.

    Now glossy brochures everywhere, they'll be in your post box, you’re paying for them.

    And of course all that rot across your TV screens.

    And as Tony Wright wrote very recently, any government, particularly one drowning in quicksand, needs to reassure the voting public that everything's perfectly in control.

    And given that the public has quit listening, eye-catching signs need to be erected.

    And as he said, any government's idea of eye-catching signs involves acronyms and as you know, an acronym is a funny sort of work that takes the first letter of each word in a rather long and meaningless title and you're meant to make something of it.

    But at the end of the day most people forget what the acronym means.

    What, for example, does Qantas stand for?

    Anyway, as a result of this carbon tax we've got HAP, the household assistance package.

    That of course is the bribery to get you on side.

    Now remember all of these outfits you’re paying for.
    • So then to get the so-called dirty power stations to close or pay the tax, you've got an Energy Security Fund, an ESF.
    • And an Energy Security Council, ESC.
    • Then there's the Clean Technology Programme, CTP.
    • Then there's the Clean Technology Investment Programme, CTIP.
    • Then there's the Clean Technology Food and Foundries Investment Programme, CTFFIP.
    • Then there's the Clean Technology Innovation Programme, also CTIP but apparently different.
    • There's the Steel Transformation Plan, STP.
    • There's the Jobs and Competitiveness Programme, JACP.
    • There's the Coal Sector Jobs Package, CSJP.
    • There’s the Coal Mining Abatement Technology Support Package, CMATSP.
    • There's small business help under the Supplier Advocates and Enterprise Connect, SAEC.
    • There's a Remote Indigenous Energy Programme, RIEP.
    • There's an Indigenous Carbon Farming Fund, ICFF.
    • That falls within the Carbon Farming Initiative, CFI.
    Can you believe this?

    We don't have enough public servants.

    Now we've got to find more to administer all of these.

    And that's what you're paying for, the taxpayer.

    Above all of this is the Climate Change Authority.

    All of these have to be manned, all of these have to be funded, all of these will be crawling alive with bureaucrats.

    So over and above the 25 million on advertising, you're paying for all of these.

    But remember it won't make one scintilla of difference to the environment.

    Carbon dioxide emissions will increase rather than decrease by 2020.

    It won't make one scintilla of difference to the temperature!!!.

    There’s no use in all of this getting anger fatigue.

    Australians must continue to stay angry.

    The economic strength of our country is being trashed.

    ...Listen here...

    Alan Jones - Comments 21/07/2011

    PS - If your an Australian reading this and this does'nt make you ANGRY, I would question your Morality & Character!

    If your not from Australia and reading this, then the above commentary will give you an understanding of what the 'Global Warming FRAUD' debate is all about in Australia..!

    2GB - Carbon Tax Poll results



    http://www.2gb.com/index.php?option=...id=1&Itemid=44
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    Default Re: Alan Jones: The 'Economic Strength' of Australia is being TRASHED by Carbon Tax..

    If I was the head of a country and taxes were necessary, I would only make people pay tax for what they wanted to see in the community i.e healthcare, transport.

    It would NOT be spent on advertising. For ANYTHING. nor to bring OPRAH WINFREY to australia!!! $650 Mil + later!!! what a rort.

    This country is F&*#&D!
    yes I am angry!
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    Default Re: Alan Jones: The 'Economic Strength' of Australia is being TRASHED by Carbon Tax..

    Quote Posted by Positive Vibe Merchant (here)
    If I was the head of a country and taxes were necessary, I would only make people pay tax for what they wanted to see in the community i.e healthcare, transport.

    It would NOT be spent on advertising. For ANYTHING. nor to bring OPRAH WINFREY to australia!!! $650 Mil + later!!! what a rort.

    This country is F&*#&D!
    yes I am angry!
    PVM
    PVM, the world will be trashed by carbon tax/trading schemes B/S. We are all in this together.

    "Dont play the game"


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    Default Re: Alan Jones: The 'Economic Strength' of Australia is being TRASHED by Carbon Tax..

    I hope we can all begin to see the fraud behind the carbon tax. Let me be the 4th person to definitively state that the trading of carbon credits is for profit of the elites only and has nothing to do with climate changes or making this a cleaner and more equitable planet.

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    Default Re: Alan Jones: The 'Economic Strength' of Australia is being TRASHED by Carbon Tax..

    Thanks Jackovesk for this thread.

    I too am moved by this whole carbon tax rubbish. I read, and I think that it was on an Avalon, that a likely scenario is that labour gets the boot in a landslide election in 2013, but with the greens in control of the senate, the lib's will claim that they would love to do something about it, but will be unable to. So, we end up stuck with it.

    My opinion is that this form of global taxation will, in all likelihood, come to fruition; I simply cannot see the IMF folding in the near future. Further, if the lib's were currently in power, it could well be them that were given the onerous task of selling this to the Australian public. I just cannot buy into the illusion of choice that the current democratic system purports to afford. As for Julia Gillard, I try to maintain a measure of sympathy for her. Sure, Australia has now got it's first female Prime Minister, and I think it is about time. But consider this, has she simply been sent like a lamb to the slaughter, whilst public sympathy for Rudd appears to be on the rise?

    As for anger over the whole issue, I know how easy it is to give in to this emotion, but take a deep breath mate; in the BIG scheme of things, this is of little relevance. Whatever we can do peacefully to stop it, great. But don't blow your cool. Better times to come.................as Paul Kelly told us.

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    Quote Posted by Positive Vibe Merchant (here)
    If I was the head of a country and taxes were necessary, I would only make people pay tax for what they wanted to see in the community i.e healthcare, transport.

    It would NOT be spent on advertising. For ANYTHING. nor to bring OPRAH WINFREY to australia!!! $650 Mil + later!!! what a rort.

    This country is F&*#&D!
    yes I am angry!
    PVM
    G'Day PVM,

    After educating yourself on the Carbon Tax SCAM out of curiousity...

    Will you be Voting for the GREENS again @ the next election???

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    Default Re: Alan Jones: The 'Economic Strength' of Australia is being TRASHED by Carbon Tax..

    Hmmmm ... 98% of americans told their congress critters they were against the banker bailout as well.

    What's wrong with that picture???

    If these two examples do not make it clear what scorn the leaders (elite pawns) have for the people then what would it take???

    *** adding ***

    Related from Alex Jones site:


    CERN Scientists Gagged On ‘Politically Incorrect’ Global Warming Data

    Physicists ordered not to draw conclusions from study which seeks to confirm that the sun drives climate change

    Paul Joseph Watson
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    Wednesday, July 20, 2011


    In a shocking illustration of how the man-made climate change establishment has seized control of the scientific process, physicists at the CERN lab in Geneva were gagged from drawing conclusions about data that seeks to replicate studies which prove the sun is the main driver of climate change, after their boss told them that such heresy was politically incorrect.

    “The chief of the world’s leading physics lab at CERN in Geneva has prohibited scientists from drawing conclusions from a major experiment. The CLOUD (“Cosmics Leaving Outdoor Droplets”) experiment examines the role that energetic particles from deep space play in cloud formation. CLOUD uses CERN’s proton synchrotron to examine nucleation,” reports the Register.

    The experiment is likely to confirm data from earlier studies which found cosmic rays are pivotal in the formation of clouds and that, “Tiny changes in the earth’s cloud cover could account for variations in temperature of several degrees,” an impact massively more significant than the comparatively minor level of warming caused by man-made CO2 emissions.

    Suggesting that the data in the yet to be published study has validated this hypothesis, physicists involved in the project were gagged from making any interpretations of the data by their boss, not because of problems with accuracy, but because such a conclusion was not politically correct as it did not fit with the “consensus” that man is the main culprit behind climate change.

    In an interview with Welt Online, Rolf-Dieter Heuer, Director General of CERN, stated, “I have asked the colleagues to present the results clearly, but not to interpret them.”

    Heuer’s reason for gagging his own scientists is that their conclusions would enter, “Immediately into the highly political arena of the climate change debate.”

    In other words, Heuer doesn’t want the data to circulate freely in the public domain because it presumably contradicts the notion that man is the main driver of climate change.

    It goes without saying that Heuer’s approach represents the antithesis of what science is supposed to be all about, impartial observation and following where the data leads, not following an artificial “consensus” manufactured by politicians for the purpose of legitimizing a global carbon tax system.

    As physicist Nigel Calder writes, “The once illustrious CERN laboratory ceases to be a truly scientific institute when its Director General forbids its physicists and visiting experimenters to draw the obvious scientific conclusions from their results.”

    Despite the fact that global warming alarmists have claimed there is no link between the huge raging fireball in space that is over 100 times bigger than the earth, drives the seasons and causes ice ages, and climate change, the data produced by Henrik Svensmark’s studies shows a clear historical correlation between cosmic ray penetration and temperature, as can be seen from the graph below.


    (see graph and more ...):

    http://www.infowars.com/cern-scienti...-warming-data/
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    Default Re: Alan Jones: The 'Economic Strength' of Australia is being TRASHED by Carbon Tax..

    carbon tax...... what a ridiculous sentiment. i'll be damned if i'm going to pay to breath the air that those thieving ba$tard$ leave their stench in. i just can't fathom why more people aren't up in arms about this. and it's true, they take their conniving ideas, turn them into something 'cute', and then add 4,000 'non-cute' contrived rules and regs., that will eventually stifle the entire population. let's see how long it takes for a true whistle-blower to come out about this and bring the egotistical politicians to their knees.
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    Quote Posted by Heyoka (here)
    Thanks Jackovesk for this thread.

    I too am moved by this whole carbon tax rubbish. I read, and I think that it was on an Avalon, that a likely scenario is that labour gets the boot in a landslide election in 2013, but with the greens in control of the senate, the lib's will claim that they would love to do something about it, but will be unable to. So, we end up stuck with it.

    My opinion is that this form of global taxation will, in all likelihood, come to fruition; I simply cannot see the IMF folding in the near future. Further, if the lib's were currently in power, it could well be them that were given the onerous task of selling this to the Australian public. I just cannot buy into the illusion of choice that the current democratic system purports to afford. As for Julia Gillard, I try to maintain a measure of sympathy for her. Sure, Australia has now got it's first female Prime Minister, and I think it is about time. But consider this, has she simply been sent like a lamb to the slaughter, whilst public sympathy for Rudd appears to be on the rise?

    As for anger over the whole issue, I know how easy it is to give in to this emotion, but take a deep breath mate; in the BIG scheme of things, this is of little relevance. Whatever we can do peacefully to stop it, great. But don't blow your cool. Better times to come.................as Paul Kelly told us.
    Hi Heyoka,

    I felt the need to respond...(just suggesting you may like to re-think parts of your post) because if you can't see the Truth, I'm sorry I can't help you...

    As far as I am aware ANGER is a Healthy Emotion to have if channeled in the right-way (Peacefully), in the fight against Tyranny. Period!

    If you don't harbor ANGER against TYRANNY, tell me how do intend to defeat it?

    i.e. "She'll be right mate, they only want to DESTROY our Economy & Way of Life! (Not to Worry - Nothing to get Upset about) I think we better let this pass through to the keeper and get back to the TV! She'll be right mate, where getting punched in the Face by the crooks, but that's OK I'll just continue to let them beat me up without raising a finger or getting ANGRY whilst on my way to hospital..! But that's OK, because they have TV there, don't they?"

    Quote My opinion is that this form of global taxation will, in all likelihood, come to fruition; I simply cannot see the IMF folding in the near future
    I have never met a real Truthseeker who is a Defeatest aswell?

    Quote As for Julia Gillard, I try to maintain a measure of sympathy for her
    I can ASSURE you mate, JuLIAR Gillard has NO Sympathy for YOU or our Country!

    This is what she really thinks of the Australia and its people!

    Quote But consider this, has she simply been sent like a lamb to the slaughter, whilst public sympathy for Rudd appears to be on the rise?
    Your kiding right? She knew exactly what she was doing right back to her Student Activist days within the Socialist Party at Adelaide Uni!

    As for public sympathy for Rudd???

    I live in Kevin Rudd's electorate and I can ASSURE YOU there is NO sympathy for the Dr Death (aptly nicknamed) after cutting back and restructuring the Queensland public service when head of Wayne Goss' Govt. This whole sympathy thing for Rudd is a MSM beatup...

    Queenslanders think Rudd was a disaster and enjoy listening to the media beatup on Rudd's knifing because Labor and the Greens are finished in this Country!

    So back to your TV, Don't get Angry at being Shafted, she'll be right mate?

    Peace!
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    Quote Posted by corson (here)
    carbon tax...... what a ridiculous sentiment. i'll be damned if i'm going to pay to breath the air that those thieving ba$tard$ leave their stench in. i just can't fathom why more people aren't up in arms about this. and it's true, they take their conniving ideas, turn them into something 'cute', and then add 4,000 'non-cute' contrived rules and regs., that will eventually stifle the entire population. let's see how long it takes for a true whistle-blower to come out about this and bring the egotistical politicians to their knees.
    regards, corson
    Whilst global pollution is a serious issue that needs attending too, bollocks to this carbon tax ! These Oxygen Thieves can't pull the wool over my eyes !

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    Default Re: Alan Jones: The 'Economic Strength' of Australia is being TRASHED by Carbon Tax..

    Hello again Jackovesk,

    Thanks for the opportunity to post a second time on your thread. As a newbie to internet based forums, I can do with the practice.

    Quote I felt the need to respond...(just suggesting you may like to re-think parts of your post) because if you can't see the Truth, I'm sorry I can't help you...
    Did your feeling the need to respond preceed the original thanks that you left me, or did it suddenly hit just prior to removing that thanks? Do you think that you have the monopoly on truth? If so, let me tell you, you do not; nobody does; and until you realise that, you are of little help to yourself, let alone anyone else. It may come as a surprise, but I was not seeking your help to begin with. Why would I?

    Quote As far as I am aware ANGER is a Healthy Emotion to have if channeled in the right-way (Peacefully), in the fight against Tyranny. Period!
    You are quite right. Anger can be a healthy emotion in the fight against tyranny, or any other negative, when channeled in the right way. However, it is not a prerequisite for battle. The vitriolic manner in which you chose to respond to my post betrays you.

    Quote If you don't harbor ANGER against TYRANNY, tell me how do intend to defeat it?
    Elementary Jackovesk. As previously stated, anger is not a prerequisite for entering into any battle. Whist it can be an effective motivator, it is by no means the best. One can vanquish their foe with ease, with little else but pity in their heart.

    Quote i.e. "She'll be right mate, they only want to DESTROY our Economy & Way of Life! (Not to Worry - Nothing to get Upset about) I think we better let this pass through to the keeper and get back to the TV! She'll be right mate, where getting punched in the Face by the crooks, but that's OK I'll just continue to let them beat me up without raising a finger or getting ANGRY whilst on my way to hospital..! But that's OK, because they have TV there, don't they?"
    If this is how you think that I would react in your above scenario, then you could not be further from the truth. Are you always pretending to possess an understanding of that which you actually know nothing about? Like, for example........me! You strike me as the type who would consider another person an ignoramus, for not being aware of something that you learned about yestderday.

    Quote I have never met a real Truthseeker who is a Defeatest aswell?
    If, when this tax is enacted next july, as it certainly will be, I considered myself to have been defeated, then you would be correct. I would, in the here and now, be a complete defeatist. But, as the tax is an inevitability, I acknowledge the utter futility in sabre ratling and public debate, thinking that it will actually change the outcome. So, whilst I am in total opposition to the tax, I am not out to defeat it. Your labelling me as defeatist is an insult.

    Quote I can ASSURE you mate, JuLIAR Gillard has NO Sympathy for YOU or our Country!
    Does she need to? If I hold sympathy for an individual, I do not necessarily expect, or need them to reciprocate. Do you wait for someone else to slap you on the back, and tell you what a jolly good fellow you are, before you'd consider them a friend?

    Quote This is what she really thinks of the Australia and its people!
    I beg to differ. Gillard is so completely blinded by self importance, and political imperative, that she is in all probability incapable of comprehending what the outcome will be at the street level. She is, as most prime ministers of more recent times have been, totally detached from the Australian public. Hence the public hand shaking and baby kissing that they all engage in; a cynical exercise to convince the average citizen that they actually care. Gillard is convinced that she is acting in the countries best interests, long term.

    Quote So back to your TV, Don't get Angry at being Shafted, she'll be right mate?
    I'll let that one go through to the keeper.

    Jackovesk, you obviously have great respect for Alan Jones. I agree, that the man has much to say, and can cut through the crap in record time. I enjoy listening to him; but he also has a reputation for pushing the envelope too far on occasion, exposing his predisposition to insensitivity. That is totally forgiveable though, and we are far better off with the Alan Jones' of the world that without them. Personally though, I do not feel the urge to parrot the man.
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    Thanks Jack.

    Tossing up the real point of voting full stop. I always thought that 'having my say' (voting) was better than not. Thinking maybe my number will add to something, and I can self-congratulate myself for playing my part in making a better place lol. Clearly i, along with others, are more naive that we though we were.

    Unfortunately,regardless, I think the tax will go through.

    Also, there are alot of people sitting back who don't have the capacity to engage mentaly into looking for aything further than what 7PM project, or the local news tells them how the world is. I have many family members, and others I interact with who have no idea of 'the real world' and really don't want to get into it when I give them little bits of information, yet as true Aussies will complain the way things are endlessly.

    I love this country, and seeing more and more every day, of it being a U.S puppet, does create feelings of anger for me. I won't feel bad for it, and I think it can be contructive. It can gett a person more willing to do something about issues whatever that may be.

    I guess we have to help each other out of this ditch and work on sulutions.

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    Quote Posted by Heyoka (here)
    Hello again Jackovesk,

    Thanks for the opportunity to post a second time on your thread.

    Quote My opinion is that this form of global taxation will, in all likelihood, come to fruition; I simply cannot see the IMF folding in the near future. Further, if the lib's were currently in power, it could well be them that were given the onerous task of selling this to the Australian public. I just cannot buy into the illusion of choice that the current democratic system purports to afford. As for Julia Gillard, I try to maintain a measure of sympathy for her. Sure, Australia has now got it's first female Prime Minister, and I think it is about time. But consider this, has she simply been sent like a lamb to the slaughter, whilst public sympathy for Rudd appears to be on the rise?

    As for anger over the whole issue, I know how easy it is to give in to this emotion, but take a deep breath mate; in the BIG scheme of things, this is of little relevance. Whatever we can do peacefully to stop it, great. But don't blow your cool. Better times to come.................as Paul Kelly told us
    Thanks for your welcomed 'Rebuttal' Heyoka,

    Quote Did your feeling the need to respond preceed the original thanks that you left me, or did it suddenly hit just prior to removing that thanks?
    After scanning the 1st paragraph of your post, I pressed the Thanks button. After reading the rest of your post it was Removed.

    Quote Do you think that you have the monopoly on truth?
    Of course NOT, as can only share the Truth As I Know It!

    Quote See some previous threads I have posted on this Carbon Tax SCAM & (Gillard, Rudd & Brown's Agenda)...

    There is well over 20 of them from all different sources, here are just a couple of them...

    Thread: FINALLY an MSM Journalist Tells the Truth! "Carbon not the same thing as CO2"!

    Link: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...thing-as-CO2--

    Thread: Australians Don't Like LIARS like (PM JuLIAR Gillard) & Don't Want a Carbon Tax!!!.

    Link: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...-Carbon-Tax---

    Thread: The 'FIX' is in! The Australian Govt. Hands Over $599 Million to IPCC!

    Link: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...llion-to-IPCC-

    Thread: In your Face 'Corruption' ex-Aussie PM's Wife wins $1.4bn UK Welfare Deal..!

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    Quote The vitriolic manner in which you chose to respond to my post betrays you.
    Your choice of words, not mine! I have NO Problem in my challenging the Truth whether your a Newbie or Not!

    Quote i.e. "She'll be right mate, they only want to DESTROY our Economy & Way of Life! (Not to Worry - Nothing to get Upset about) I think we better let this pass through to the keeper and get back to the TV! She'll be right mate, where getting punched in the Face by the crooks, but that's OK I'll just continue to let them beat me up without raising a finger or getting ANGRY whilst on my way to hospital..! But that's OK, because they have TV there, don't they?"
    I should have chosen the other abbreviation e.g. as it was a generalisation of ignorance of some and not aimed at you personally.

    Quote Like, for example........me! You strike me as the type who would consider another person an ignoramus, for not being aware of something that you learned about yestderday.
    "something that you learned about yestderday"

    Again, plese refer to my previous threads 'above' I have posted on the Carbon Tax SCAM & (Gillard, Rudd & Brown's Agenda)...

    Quote If, when this tax is enacted next july, as it certainly will be, I considered myself to have been defeated, then you would be correct. I would, in the here and now, be a complete defeatist. But, as the tax is an inevitability, I acknowledge the utter futility in sabre ratling and public debate, thinking that it will actually change the outcome. So, whilst I am in total opposition to the tax, I am not out to defeat it.
    Need not make any comments re: the 'above' you said it all yourself!

    Quote beg to differ. Gillard is so completely blinded by self importance, and political imperative, that she is in all probability incapable of comprehending what the outcome will be at the street level. She is, as most prime ministers of more recent times have been, totally detached from the Australian public. Hence the public hand shaking and baby kissing that they all engage in; a cynical exercise to convince the average citizen that they actually care. Gillard is convinced that she is acting in the countries best interests, long term.
    I will only ask you to do your own research on JuLIAR's past and her current membership of the 'Fabian Society'!

    If you had bothered to do your homework you would know that Gillard is following an Agenda and knows exactly what she is doing!

    Ever heard of Agenda 21, Lima Agreement (1973), UN Earth Summit - Brazil (1992) & The Trilateral Commission?

    Quote Jackovesk, you obviously have great respect for Alan Jones. I agree, that the man has much to say, and can cut through the crap in record time. I enjoy listening to him; but he also has a reputation for pushing the envelope too far on occasion, exposing his predisposition to insensitivity. That is totally forgiveable though, and we are far better off with the Alan Jones' of the world that without them. Personally though, I do not feel the urge to parrot the man.
    I let this one go through to the keeper because you are new. Again, I can only share the Truth As I know It!

    Again, please refer to my previous threads 'above' I have posted on the Carbon Tax SCAM & (Gillard, Rudd & Brown's Agenda)...

    Contrary to what you may think Heyoka, my intention was not to pick a fight with you. I was simply challenging & questioning some of your views.

    I will always use 'Discernment' when I don't agree with &/or anothers POV in the quest for the Truth!

    ...and l look forward to the Debate if someone challenges mine!

    Many of the Truthseekers here at Avalon generally, can back up their opinion's with both Fact & Research! and would hope you feel the same way?

    In summation, Welcome to Avalon and Enjoy your Journey through the 'Rabbit Hole' towards your own Truth...

    Regards,
    Jack
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    Your Anger Management classes must be working Sid..!

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    Oh no! My second day as a provisional member, and already I am threatened with Lord Sid's carrots.

    Hello Lord Sid!

    And thanks. I have been spending many hours a day here over the past few weeks, prior to applying for membership, and you pop up all over the forum. You would appear to be the forum's roaming arbiter, and I have grown to enjoy your quick humour and occasional pearls of wisdom.

    Thank you too for your having responded to my initial post.

    You can put the carrots away for now (they are choc full of monatomics by the way). Jack and I will get on just fine.
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    Thank you Jack for the welcome. As I mentioned to Lord Sid, I'm sure you and I will get on just fine.

    I find that the older I get, the less in possession of "the truth" I realise I am!

    I do believe that there are two kinds of truth; one being universal, or ultimate, and the other being entirely subjective in nature. So, what is the truth to one person, is a complete falsity to another. When I speak of my truths (those of a more mundane nature), I prefer to refer to them as simply opinions. I actually couldn't be bothered forming opinions on many of the topical issues these days, and I find myself becoming increasingly detached from the BS that we are fed.

    This is not a case of agreeing to disagree, as you and I would find volumes in common on this threads subject, and very little to disagree on . Perhaps, for the most part, it is only our method of communicating our opinions / truths that in fact differ.

    If I may clarify a couple of points from your "official welcome":

    Quote You strike me as the type who would consider another person an ignoramus, for not being aware of something that you learned about yestderday
    Here I was quoting (almost) from "The Wits Dictionary", by Colin Bowles. An absolute hoot! The use of "you", in bold, was "they" in the actual book. This line was not in relation to the thread's subject, i.e. I was not suggesting a lack of knowledge on Gillard etc.

    Yes, I am acquinted with the Fabian Society, The Trilateral Commission et al. I have been an avid reader of Nexus for 20+ years now, and Nexus is really just the entrance to the rabbit hole, as you probably already know.

    As for me being a newbie, I didn't come here expecting anyone to sprinkle rose petals on my path. I have enjoyed our exchange, and when next our posts cross, it will be with a more enlightened understanding of each other.

    All the very best mate,
    Tony.
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    Quote Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
    Calm down nuggets, the carrots are looking for a new home.
    Your Anger Management classes must be working Sid..!
    I am trying, but I can feel the midichlorians becoming agitated when I get angry.
    And then the Irish in me kicks in.
    Then the midichlorians get even more agitated.
    I can feeeeeeeeeeeeeel the darkside flowing.
    Then thinks break around me.
    Damn, it feels good.

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    Quote Posted by modwiz (here)
    Let me be the 4th person to definitively state that the trading of carbon credits is for profit of the elites only and has nothing to do with climate changes or making this a cleaner and more equitable planet.
    Let's not forget the control factor.


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    Business turns up the heat on ALP, criticise 'thought bubble' policies

    SOME of the nation's most respected business leaders have launched a fresh and damaging attack on the Gillard government, with one warning there is a "whiff of illegitimacy" about its most contentious policies.

    Stepping up the anti-government rhetoric of recent weeks from big business, former Telstra chief executive and Suncorp chairman-elect Ziggy Switkowski said yesterday the bungled announcements of the National Broadband Network and the carbon tax were destined to divide the country.

    "There is a whiff of illegitimacy about some of the key events in the life of this and the previous government," Dr Switkowski told The Australian & Deutsche Bank Business Leaders Forum in Melbourne yesterday.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nati...-1226100103024
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