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    Default Re: I had the "census knock" this morning, it's that time again, fellow Aussies...

    My dog ate it? Look best to say, I'm moving so I'll do it in the other state I'm moving to. That will send them off. by nex "state" I mean relm. Have a good day.

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    Default Re: I had the "census knock" this morning, it's that time again, fellow Aussies...

    i refused to fill out the census last year. ( i live in the states) They came to my apartment building everyday for weeks looking for tenants in apartment #3 and i avoided them. After i realized they were not going to go away, i finally just told her to stop coming here because whoever they are looking for in apt #3 is not there and that it is vacant. she said according the landlord, apartment #3 was occupied. I said well lets go check! Walked her up to my apartment, knocked on the door (no answer obviously because i was standing right outside the door!). then i told her that i live in that apartment (pointed to my side door with no # on it) and that i haven't seen anyone come out of that door (pointing to my front door) since i moved in. Which is true because i always use the side door, and have never once used that front door. She was satisfied with my flexed truth. They stopped coming to my house after that day.

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    no longer anonymous this year , i'm thinking UN database , finalising plans lot of interesting posts going round that seem to engage the emotions pushing ( manipulating ) people into filling out this years census , in light of current world events re: privacy , data retention etc , if it's important to THEM , that we fill it out , it should be a huge red flag to us

    heard a mention the Oz govt were instructed by UN to sell off all public owned assets , CHECK

    i rekon new census has something to do with finalising preperations with a name to go with the statistics , that worries me




    https://www.efa.org.au/privacy/census-2016/

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    The Australian Bureau of Statistics is implementing a significant change for the 2016 Census, due to be conducted on 9th August.

    While most people support the concept of the census, which is used as a key data source for all sorts of policy decisions across both public and private sectors, some people do have concerns about the privacy issues involved with of such a data collection project.

    Such concerns tend to focus on the considerable intensity of personal data collected by modern Census forms, and by the legal obligation to answer every single question (except religion), irrespective of sensitivities.

    The changes implemented for the 2016 Census are significant and are likely to increase privacy concerns.
    AND

    Quote As reported by Independent Australia, former statistician Bill McLennan has said that the 2016 Census is, “without doubt […] the most significant invasion of privacy ever perpetrated on Australians by the ABS”. There are number of concerning changes to the 2016 Census. Mainly:

    Every person’s identity will remain linked to the data collected, forever1
    There is some debate over whether the retention period is four years, or indefinite. However, as former ABS staffer Ross Hamilton points out, the ABS is proposing only to update identifiable information based on the 2020 Census, not to strip identifying information entirely after four years.
    This constitutes a massive expansion compared to last Census, when this applied to only 5% (1 million people) of the population.
    The data about each person, from all available Census and ABS surveys, will be linked together1
    This is the stated explanation for identifying information being held: that with it, the ABS may build up an extremely robust profile of each individual in the country by linking and cross-referencing the various datasets it has available to it.
    This constitutes a massive expansion compared to last year where this applied to only 5% (1 million people) of the population.
    Additional data will be expropriated from other sources and added to each person’s record1
    This is entirely new, and very concerning. EFA has raised concerns over the breadth and depth of data already held by political parties, and taken together with the expansions in the ABS’s data collection and retention practices, it paints a very bleak picture of the future of privacy in Australia.
    Individual data about people and households will be made available to researchers. Nominally it will be de-identified, but in practice it will be so rich that it will be readily re-identifiable. 1
    This, again, is entirely new this year. As shown in recent research, de-identification of datasets is a very complex and involved process, which very often fails. In fact, so long as groups have another form of identifying information, de-identifying anonymised datasets has been shown to be fairly simple.
    In some cases, the individual data that is released to researchers will even include address, and "anonymised versions of names" (whatever that means). 1
    This is also new, or at least believed to be new, in 2016. As Roger Clarke notes, however, “[p]ossibly the ABS is already doing this, without public knowledge”.


    Each of these features, individually, is a gross, unjustified and unacceptable intrusion into people's privacy, and the combination of them is a serious breach of trust.

    Many Australians will be so angry at these breaches of trust that the ABS's reputation is may be irreparably damaged. More importantly, there is a real danger that many Australians will choose to provide inaccurate responses or to boycott the Census altogether, thereby putting at risk the entire project and the hundreds of millions of dollars it costs to run.
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    Default Re: I had the "census knock" this morning, it's that time again, fellow Aussies...

    The Census is all online this time around - you have a logon number which is unique to each household and complete the form online. As if they do not already know where most of us are in any case - each bank account is tracked and monitored (crime prevention you know) I bet there will be a lot of 'informal' entries! David Icke's recent tour reveals that more Aussies are becoming aware of alternative narratives - Australia has always been an anti-authoritarian society, maybe lulled to sleep by too much beer/wine/food and the quest to have at least 2 SUV's in the driveway and of course an investment property - but just under the skin there is a strong rebel spirit, here's hoping it continues!

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    An on line census will be carried on the 9th August here in Australia. In order to make a better future for Austalians. The authorities know everything about everyone, so, why the census? Is it more about civil obedience than anything else. Your thoughts....

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    Default Re: I had the "census knock" this morning, it's that time again, fellow Aussies...

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    In the England and Wales census of 2001, there was a viral underground movement, protesting at the requirement to state one's religion, to say you were a Jedi.

    390,127 people (almost 0.8%) stated their religion as Jedi, surpassing Sikhism, Judaism, and Buddhism, and making it the fourth largest reported religion in the country.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jedi_census_phenomenon


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    Default Re: I had the "census knock" this morning, it's that time again, fellow Aussies...

    Just wondering how they can fine you when the census form is addressed to the resident And it suppose to be confidential. Anyway, in my opinion the bin is the best place for it.

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    jeebus, that's almost as Orwellian as England is...
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    Default Re: I had the "census knock" this morning, it's that time again, fellow Aussies...

    I have also asked this question Heather, and I don't think that they legally can fine you. I came across this information earlier today:


    The Census and Statistics Act only gives the Statistician the power to REQUEST that a person fill up a form or answer questions (e.g. a Census or one of their periodic surveys).
    The Act does have penalty provisions, but these are not directly connected to filling out the Census form on Census night or answering questions when a collector knocks on your door.
    There are no penalties for refusing a REQUEST to fill out a form.
    If you refuse the Statistician’s request he then has the power to DIRECT you to fill out the Census form or answer survey questions but he can only do that after you have refused his REQUEST per sections 10(4) or 11(3) of the Act. To direct you to fill out a form there is a strict legal process which the Statistician must comply with. The process is this. The Statistician must serve a formal, legally defined “Notice of Direction” in writing on you if you refuse his request.
    • It can be sent by mail but it must be addressed to you, by name at your address. (It cannot be addressed to the Householder or the Resident)
    • It must be in writing.
    • It must give you at least 14 days to comply with the direction
    • It must detail the penalties that can be imposed if you do not comply with the direction, and
    • It must DIRECT you to fill out the form or provide answers to survey questions.
    If you don’t comply with a (genuine) “Notice of Direction”, the Statistician can take you to court and a magistrate can impose heavy fines. The Statistician cannot impose a fine. The penalties in the Census and Statistics Act are for refusing a direction. There are no penalties for refusing a request for information.
    This is important. If you refuse a request for information (as is your legal right) and you subsequently receive a (genuine) “Notice of Direction” then you must give them the information they want or you will be fined.

    However, you do not have to give them your name, or the names of any people in your house unless you are directed to do so in a Notice of Direction. But, if they don’t have your name then they can’t issue a Notice of Direction to you!

    The Bureau of Statistics does not like to issue a “Notice of Direction” to respondents as they like to claim that all respondents “willingly complied” with their request for information (regardless of how much angst their intrusive surveys caused to their hapless victims or whether their respondents only acted under duress). To avoid issuing Notices of Direction, they resort to dishonest tactics by sending letters to anyone who refuses their demands. These letters purport to be formal Notices of Direction, but in reality they are a dishonest bluff tactic which the Bureau uses to extract information under false pretences. If a letter is not a genuine Notice of Direction (i.e. it does not meet all of the conditions listed above) then it can be ignored. If you receive a letter from the ABS, ask them to confirm, in writing, that it is a formal “Notice of Direction” in accordance with the Census and Statistics Act.
    The ABS may also resort to harassment tactics and bureaucratic thuggery by sending more senior officers to you home to “persuade” you to give them the information that they want. Ignore these people. If they are not collectors seeking information and they are not delivering a (genuine) Notice of Direction then they have no authority to come to your home or to request information from you"
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    Default Re: I had the "census knock" this morning, it's that time again, fellow Aussies...

    some interesting information from the ACT Canberra

    https://www.privacy.org.au/Papers/AB...Privacy_v8.pdf

    it appears there is a problem with asking for a name on statistical information.

    as a name is not a part of any statistic.

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    Default Re: I had the "census knock" this morning, it's that time again, fellow Aussies...

    You could always offer them some fava beans and a nice chianti...... pfppfpfpffpfffffff!!


    "A census taker once tried to test me............."





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