Genocide in Gaza

[irishspirit]

It really seems to me that these nations are building up, laying the ground work if you like, for a massive war. However, should war kick of their, the effects will be felt around the world. This is getting more and more open by the day.

Whilst I still believe that this is Staged, this is going to be big if allowed to carry on.


http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomac...-gaza-1.294662

[Rimbaud]

Dear Irishspirit,

Totally agree with you that things seem to be "ramping up"...I also heard that the Turkish Prime Minister is intending to be on a relief vessel heading for Gaza surrounded by a flotilla of the Turkish Navy to test Israels resolve to stop any kind of involvement there.

I can see one of two scenarios playing out here...

1) Israel risks an all out war with the Arab States, especially if they fire apon the Turks (not only is their Army absolutely massive...2nd largest in the World), but they're also a crucial Ally of the USA

2) Israel back down a bit and allow aid into Gaza, perhaps using UN inspectors to investigate bills of lading and inspect cargos etc...It's clear that the two sides simply can't cooperate without some kind of third party.

The first scenario doesn't bear thinking about as it would be the catastrophe that we all fear. Will Israel take us all to the brink? I think that they've got the willpower to do it..I lived there once so I think I've an insight into how their P.O.B's minds work. In the meantime, the rest of the World are watching how this all plays out...let's pray to God that all the assholes with their finger on the trigger make the right choices when the time comes.

Thanks for your comment irishspirit, and allowing me to respond with my views.

Rimbaud

[irishspirit]

Rimbaud,

excellent point my friend. I really don't think the people of Isreal have any will for more fighting and wars. I personally feel that the General people of Isreal, outside of the Zionist movement, are looking to make peace and friendship with their fellow middle eastern friends.

I do not for one second suggest that I know alot about the Middle east, however, I know about conflict coming up in Northern Ireland to be able to say that people can only have so much before they "snap".

Turkey for their part has always been a riend to Isreal, however, for some reason it has been broken up. The thing is, the turkish military is much bigger and much better prepared than the Isreal military.

I dread the outcome of this should it end up in war.

Be safe.


Irish spirit

[irishspirit]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Gc8h83Ea1Xs

[Studeo]

Source: http://news.antiwar.com/2010/06/09/i...iver-gaza-aid/



Israel Threatens War if Turkish PM Tries to Deliver Gaza Aid
Israeli Official Warns of Casus Belli on Israeli Army Radio
by Jason Ditz, June 09, 2010
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Israeli Army commander and top Likud member Uzi Dayan today warned on Israeli Army Radio that Israel would consider any attempt by the Turkish military to protect future aid ships from attack an “act of war.”
Dayan then added that if Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan attempted to accompany the aid ships personally, as he has reportedly considered “we would not try to take over the ship he was on, but would sink it.” He added that Erdogan’s presence on a future aid ship would also be a casus belli for an Israeli war against Turkey.
Turkey has expressed outrage at last week’s Israeli attack on a Turkish aid ship bound for Gaza, an attack in which Israeli troops killed at least nine civilian aid workers. Israel has insisted that the aid ship was secretly in league with al-Qaeda and has since tried to spin Turkey as the villain for even allowing a ship to try to deliver aid to the besieged strip.
The Israeli killings have only increased the number of groups planning attempts to deliver aid, and Israeli officials have promised to stop all these attempts militarily as well.
The explicit threat of war against Turkey is something new, however. While Israel starts wars with a casualness rarely seen in other nations, an attack on Turkey, a key NATO member with an enormous military, would be something quite different from a monthlong attack on the Gaza Strip or blowing up metro Beirut with air strikes.

[Hiram]

If we imagine for a moment...that we are all friends and colleagues in the greater reality beyond this little one we call life, in the grand energetic reality from which we all came.....If we imagine that to be true, we can view all this blustering and anger and threats as quite theatrical..and dare I say it, even funny?

We are all co-creating this reality, and for some reason this particular conflict that we have co-created has served us for quite a while now. I wonder how much longer this little conflict, between two little groups of people, living right next to eachother, on a tiny blue little planet tucked into a small little corner of one out of billions of galaxies will last? When will we un-create this?

I wonder, I wonder.

[Humble Janitor]

This foolishness on Israel's part has got to stop. When people need help because of your foolishness, you don't attack/kill them.

[ExHaLaTiON]

Israel is bluffing, the Turks would crush them.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Well Israel understands 2 things about Erdogan

1st - he answers to the Grand Ayasolla of Iran
2nd - the majority of Turkey would prefer to see him disappear from the political scene so it could get back to a secular government and stop the swing into an Islamic state.

so the truth is if he did attempt to ride an aid ship in that was sunk by Israel and he was killed...

The Turkish Military would say "thank you"

Published: 24 February 2010
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Turkish police detained former heads of the air force and navy among 40 people held in an investigation into an alleged plot to undermine the Islamist-rooted government and trigger a military coup, the authorities announced yesterday (23 February).

The swoop, one of the largest against the secularist armed forces, added to a growing sense of foreboding in the Muslim nation, where a clash between the government and the judiciary had already raised fears of a political crisis.

Armed forces chief General Ilker Basbug postponed a trip to Egypt as a result of the detentions, state-run Anatolian news agency said.

Among those held, according to broadcasters, were former Air Force Commander Ibrahim Firtina, former Naval Commander Ozden Ornek and ex-Deputy Chief of the General Staff General Ergin Saygun.

Speaking in Madrid at the start of an official visit, Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan said more than 40 people were detained in the raids.

News channel CNN-Turk put the number at 49, including 17 retired generals, four serving admirals, 27 officers and one enlisted man.

Story

hey Erdogan, do the world a favor and hop on the boat...

Iran will cry, but the Turks will celebrate along with Isreal...

[Midnight Oil]

No..no...no....This latest Mavi Marmara incident was I believe a setup,i pre-planned event by Turkey and Israel.....why????.....easy Erdogans party, AKP, is loosing serious blood and they need support from the people, elections are coming....there is a bigger picture, but I unfortunately do not have time yet to write all my knowledge...but will do soon enough

[Rocky_Shorz]

I'm looking forward to what you have to share.

Turkey's population has watched Erdogan moving them closer with every move to Islamic rule and have watched him move the country closer to Iran and isolation from most first world countries.

The next election will involve corruption to make sure he stays in power just like they did recently in Iran to keep the little chimp in place...

[Studeo]

SEA BATTLE FEAR AS IRAN SENDS FLOTILLA TO GAZA
IRANIAN President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has vowed to breach Israel’s blockade of Gaza, as two aid ships and a military escort prepare to set sail.
In a provocative move the *Iranian Red Crescent was this weekend due to send two vessels packed with food and medical aid and 70 relief workers.
A third ship, carrying an operating theatre, could follow.

More
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/...otilla-to-Gaza

[Studeo]

Source: The Guardian
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...tack-new-video

Gaza flotilla attack: activist releases new footage
Documentary maker Iara Lee smuggles out video despite Israeli attempt to confiscate all recordings
Haroon Siddique
guardian.co.uk, Friday 11 June 2010 17.33 BST
Israeli Attack on the Mavi Marmara, May 31st 2010 // 15 min. from Cultures of Resistance on Vimeo. Warning: contains graphic scenes
New footage has emerged of the Israeli assault on a convoy of aid ships headed to Gaza in which nine activists were killed.
The high-quality film was reportedly recorded by New York-based documentary maker Iara Lee aboard the Mavi Marmara, the Turkish ship that bore the brunt of the Israeli attacks.
Israel attempted to confiscate all footage recorded by participants in the Gaza Freedom flotilla – including taking away mobile phones – but Lee managed to smuggle one hour of video out of the country by hiding it in her underwear, it was reported.
The 15 minutes of film posted online shows the moments leading up to and during the Israeli commandos' assault on the Mavi Marmara.
At one stage, the captain of the boat can be heard over the public address system saying: "Do not show resistance … They are using live ammunition … Be calm, be very calm." Gunshots can be heard.
The film includes footage of an Israeli inflatable boat carrying commandos, and troops can be seen rappelling from a helicopter on to the Mavi Marmara. While they do so, two men on the Marmara can be seen using catapults aimed at the soldiers, who are high above them, although the projectiles they are firing cannot be ascertained.
At one point, a passenger on the boat says to the camera: "[The activists] hold two soldiers down here, bleeding and wounded." One soldier can be seen being carried down the stairs of the vessel. In an interview with Democracy Now, Lee said the soldiers were injured in the commotion. "They got treatment by our passengers," she said.
A number of passengers are shown in the video receiving medical treatment for wounds, including one man being resuscitated. He does not appear to respond. At the end of the footage a woman can be heard shouting: "We have no guns here, we are civilians taking care of injured people. Don't use violence, we need help."
Lee described the attack as terrifying. "[The Israelis] came to kill," she said. "They wanted to take over the ship."
More than 600 pro-Palestinian activists were detained by Israel in the 31 May raids on the aid convoy. There was global condemnation of the assault but Israel claimed its troops acted in self-defence after coming under attack from members of an "extremist" Turkish group.
It announced on Monday it would conduct an internal investigation into the incident, defying pressure for a thorough international inquiry.
The UN special rapporteur on extrajudicial executions said any inquiry set up by Israel should include "all video and other records of the incident, including those confiscated from civilians". Philip Alston said it must be able to interview all key witnesses, including military personnel.
"Any inquiry set up by Israel to investigate the Gaza flotilla incident must be given a genuine capacity to find the facts. Without that capacity an inquiry will simply not be considered credible."
Alston said the inquiry must be independent of government, have full legal authority to investigate and make its final report open to the public.

[Studeo]

Former New Zealand Prime Minister Sir Geoffrey Palmer says heading an inquiry into the fatal Israeli raid on the Gaza-bound aid flotilla earlier this year is probably the hardest job he has ever done.

"I can't think of a harder one that I've had," he said.

"I think it's the inherent complexity of it, that's the problem."

Nine pro-Palestinian activists were killed when Israeli marines stormed a Turkish ship in May as a flotilla moved to breach the blockade to supply aid to residents in Gaza.

New Zealander Nicola Enchmarch was among the passengers and crew who were captured and detained in Israeli custody before being deported.

Overnight United Nations chief Ban Ki-moon announced the four-member panel, to be chaired by Sir Geoffrey with outgoing Colombian President Alvaro Uribe as vice-chairman, plus one Israeli and one Turkish member.

The identities of the members from Turkey and Israel have not been given, but the panel is due to begin work on August 10 and submit a first progress report by mid-September.

Sir Geoffrey said the inquiry could take as long as six months. It would be based in New York and he could not say if visits to the Middle East would be required.

In fact he could not give any detail about procedures or substance of the inquiry: "It's so sensitive and it's necessary to have a degree of detachment here to avoid arriving at any conclusions about anything for the moment".

He would head over to New York this week.

Sir Geoffrey said he felt honoured by the appointment.

"It is some sort of recognition that New Zealand can play a useful role in this sort of thing and I think that's good."

His family was "fine" with his involvement and he declined to comment on whether he may become a target.

"I don't think security matters should ever be discussed."

Israel's decision to back the panel was unexpected as it had for weeks insisted it would not cooperate with any international probe and instead launched two internal inquiries.

In the end following contacts and consultations with a seven-member Israeli ministerial forum Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu agreed, saying his country had nothing to hide.

Sir Geoffrey said that was an achievement for Mr Ban: "Diplomacy is the art of the possible and he's brought it off".....

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/middle-...a-attack-probe

[irishspirit]

Israel's military broke international laws during its raid on a Gaza-bound aid flotilla, a UN Human Rights Council investigation says.

The three-member panel said Israel's military response to the flotilla was "disproportionate" and also "betrayed an unacceptable level of brutality

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11393836

[irishspirit]

It is about time the UN has made this type of statement against Isreal, this needs to be lifted, there are people dieing there whilst we sit back and do nothing.

[Rozzy]

The U.N. is run by thugs and despots that are Jew haters, their judgement against Israel is most certainly impartial and honest!

[Operator]

Posted by Rozzy (here)
The U.N. is run by thugs and despots that are Jew haters

judgement ... ?

[Zook]

Hi Operator,

Posted by Operator (here)
judgement ... ?

Well, let's not be hasty with our friend, Rozzy. I mean, he does get part of it right ... the UN is run by thugs and despots.

The comment about Jew haters is, of course, without foundation (and not even a bottomless pit to perch a foundation on). When someone cries "Jew haters" or "AntiSemitism", it's because they've been trained to do so. Dependent thinking in other words. So it becomes a debate between dependent thinkers vs independent thinkers, i.e. no debate at all. Rozzy will have to first escape the gravitational pull of Zionist ideology before he becomes useful to the pursuit of truth, to humanity itself, and less importantly, to intelligent discourse.

Having said that, the U.N. is yet another front organization for the global banking elites and their subcontracted powerbrokers in all the major and minor nations, China, India, Russia included. The power of (fiat) money had long ago eradicated the functional concept of sovereign nations (albeit not the appearance, i.e. the formal concept remains). So what the UN represents is not a genuine council of nations (specifically, elder nations), but a staged event akin to a G7, G8, or G20 summit, but with a degree of permanence. If it is required that Israel and its ZOG proxy, the US, play antagonist and the rest of the world, Palestinian proxies ... then it will be so.

No one ever gets punished; but the appearance of tragedy and moral rectitude is kept alive for the justice-starved plebeians, who, after the popcorn runs out, go home again to the comforts of their manifold extra-Gaza existence. That is virtually all what the UN represents, e.g. a stage to hold dramatic plays scripted by the big playwrights. For the Gazans (the big victims), there is no justice nor hope for justice, merely never-ending victimhood. For the Israeli occupiers, there is no punishment or spectre of punishment, merely a never-ending opportunity to occupy and commit crime. For the global bankster elites?? One more pen to fence the minds. Perhaps their most valuable pen; after all, most of the other pens have fallen apart (e.g. IRA/Loyalists; Tamil_Tigers/Sinhalese; the Berlin Wall and two Germanies; Sandanista/Contra; Hutu/Tutsi; etc. ... and of course, the half-century Cold War between two evil superEmpires). With most of the holding pens gone, where will the righteous minds find their pound of flesh?

But I'll be remiss if I didn't mention the good news. Much of the world has now discovered that the emperor has no clothes! So let's keep pounding on those truth drums!


Cheers
Uncle Zook

[irishspirit]

Posted by Rozzy (here)
The U.N. is run by thugs and despots that are Jew haters, their judgement against Israel is most certainly impartial and honest!

Rozzy,

Isreal is the UN's creation! Had the UN been ruin by the Jew haters that you say, Isreal would have been brought to boot for their War Crimes and their crimes against Humanity along time ago.

They would also have their massive stockpile of Nuclear Bombs checked and brought in along time ago.

I would suggest that you check your facts before making such a harsh statement.

Peace

Irish