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    I looked around a bit, but it is getting tough to know what has and hasn't been posted before. So, if this is repeat stuff, please excuse.

    Like other I listened to the Lindsey Williams/AJones interview. Made notes, etc.

    But first, an observation:
    Someone, on one of these threads said they thought Williams was just using his time on AJ's show to spread FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt). I'm sorry, but just when has AJ ever passed up an opportunity to do just that? Seemed to me that Williams was very sedate, compared to AJ.

    Now, here are the figures Williams stated were obtained from readings taken by the EPA, during the weekend of 12,13 June. Note: these are measurements taken in the atmosphere.
    Volatile organic compounds coming out with the crude oil:
    Hydrogen Sulfide:
    Allowable: 5-10 ppb (Parts Per Billion)
    Tested at: 1,200 ppb

    Benzine:
    Safe EPA level: 0-4 ppb,
    Current released: 3,000 ppb
    Known to cause: leukemia, cancer, confusion tremors, bone marrow damage, weakened immune system Damage to kidneys, lungs, brain.

    Methylene Chloride:
    Safe EPA : 61 ppb,
    Tested levels: 3,000-3,500 ppb

    Corexit 9500: toxic at 2.6 ppb (God knows)
    Since I hadn't seen them repeated anywhere, I thought I'd repeat them.
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    Some new stuff in just a minute or two. composing now.
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    I began this as a PM to Bill R. as a "backgrounder" for the questions thread. Changed my mind and decided I'd just post it here, and PM a link to him.
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    The following link leads to a post from a place called "The Oil Drum"
    http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6593/648967

    Several reasons I point this one out to you:
    It appears to be both intelligent, and well documented.
    Doesn't appear to have any scare tactics used in presentation. (the facts are scary enough)
    It looks like very good basic detective work, using what BP has done, what BP has said, to draw a fairly convincing picture of what is really happening below the well head.

    To save some time, as I know you can't possibly have enough to read on this already (sorry).

    The first 20% will no doubt be review, for everyone. He does deliver a good summation as to why Top Kill, Top Cap, Top Anything didn't and won't work. Where the good info/detective work begins is after a heading:
    "What does this mean?"

    Quote The well bore casings rely on the support that is created by the cementing phase of well construction.
    Which was a complete failure, before this well head blew up.
    Quote It means they will never cap the gusher after the wellhead. They cannot...the more they try and restrict the oil gushing out the bop?...the more it will transfer to the leaks below. Just like a leaky garden hose with a nozzle on it. When you open up the nozzle?...it doesn't leak so bad, you close the nozzle?...it leaks real bad, same dynamics.

    It is why they sawed the riser off...or tried to anyway...but they clipped it off, to relieve pressure on the leaks "down hole". I'm sure there was a bit of panic time after they crimp/pinched off the large riser pipe and the Diamond wire saw got stuck and failed...because that crimp diverted pressure and flow to the rupture down below.
    Some details on "whats goin' on down below". (Calm yerself, Gita. I'm not talkin' porn, here.)
    Quote A down hole leak is dangerous and damaging for several reasons.
    There will be erosion throughout the entire beat up, beat on and beat down remainder of the "system" including that inaccessible leak. The same erosion I spoke about in the first post is still present and has never stopped, cannot be stopped, is impossible to stop and will always be present in and acting on anything that is left which has crude oil "Product" rushing through it.

    There are abrasives still present, swirling flow will create hot spots of wear and this erosion is relentless and will always be present until eventually it wears away enough material to break it's way out. It will slowly eat the bop away especially at the now pinched off riser head and it will flow more and more. Perhaps BP can outrun or keep up with that out flow with various suckage methods for a period of time, but eventually the well will win that race, just how long that race will be?...no one really knows....However now?...there are other problems that a down hole leak will and must produce that will compound this already bad situation.

    This down hole leak will undermine the foundation of the seabed in and around the well area. It also weakens the only thing holding up the massive Blow Out Preventer's immense bulk of 450 tons. In fact?...we are beginning to the results of the well's total integrity beginning to fail due to the undermining being caused by the leaking well bore.

    The first layer of the sea floor in the gulf is mostly lose material of sand and silt. It doesn't hold up anything and isn't meant to, what holds the entire subsea system of the Bop in place is the well itself. The very large steel connectors of the initial well head "spud" stabbed in to the sea floor. The Bop literally sits on top of the pipe and never touches the sea bed, it wouldn't do anything in way of support if it did.

    After several tens of feet the seabed does begin to support the well connection laterally (side to side) you couldn't put a 450 ton piece of machinery on top of a 100' tall pipe "in the air" and subject it to the side loads caused by the ocean currents and expect it not to bend over...unless that pipe was very much larger than the machine itself, which you all can see it is not. The well's piping in comparison is actually very much smaller than the Blow Out Preventer and strong as it may be, it relies on some support from the seabed to function and not literally fall over...and it is now showing signs of doing just that....falling over.

    If you have been watching the live feed cams you may have noticed that some of the ROVs are using an inclinometer...and inclinometer is an instrument that measures "Incline" or tilt. The BOP is not supposed to be tilting...and after the riser clip off operation it has begun to.
    Then he goes into a bit explaining that the entire structure, beneath the well head, may be in complete shambles. Funny we aren't hearing this, isn't it?
    Quote The well bore casings rely on the support that is created by the cementing phase of well construction. Just like if you have many hands holding a pipe up you could put some weight on the top and the many hands could hold the pipe and the weight on top easily...but if there were no hands gripping and holding the pipe?...all the weight must be held up by the pipe alone. The series of connections between the sections of casings are not designed to hold up the immense weight of the BOP without all the "hands" that the cementing provides and they will eventually buckle and fail when stressed beyond their design limits.

    These are clear and present dangers to the battered subsea safety structure (bop and lmrp) which is the only loose cork on this well we have left. The immediate (first 1,000 feet) of well structure that remains is now also undoubtedly compromised. However.....as bad as that is?...it is far from the only possible problems with this very problematic well. There were ongoing troubles with the entire process during the drilling of this well. There were also many comprises made by BP IMO which may have resulted in an overall weakened structure of the entire well system all the way to the bottom plug which is over 12,000 feet deep.

    Problems with the cementing procedure which was done by Haliburton and was deemed as “was against our best practices.” by a Haliburton employee on April 1st weeks before the well blew out.
    From here on, he provides some summation, his opinion of what he sees, and a long list of sources, citations, and links. I do not get the idea this is just "off the top of his head", but well researched. Link's at the top, and the whole thing is well worth the read, IMO.

    Perhaps some of this can be helpful in what the discussion should really be about,
    Fred
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    Quote Problems with the cementing procedure which was done by Haliburton and was deemed as “was against our best practices.” (at BP's insistence - fred)by a Haliburton employee on April 1st weeks before the well blew out.
    What it looks like is going on here then...

    The other two holes being drilled, have an ever-increasing job ahead of them.

    If the well casing is compromised, or destroyed, as hinted at, then; once they reach the original hole, the job will be to pump concrete in from the bottom. But it matters not what you plug this with, a plug is a plug, and the pressure will simply seek a source of less resistance. This means they are going to have to:
    • Fill in the original hole,
    • Cracks in the casing, and
    • All of the cracks in the earth connected to the original well completely!
    Else this leak will simply flow through another avenue into the Gulf, only then we'll have no method of reaching it. (ugh!)

    Should this happen, you will probably hear a huge cry to simply "nuke the whole thing" and be done.
    What I don't hear discussed, other than it is an "unknown", is where they're attempting this.

    A nuclear blast whether above or below ground is a very different animal, in term of the compression wave. Air and earth are both "compressible" items. Means they will absorb much of the shock of the explosion. For all practical purposes the compression factor of water is zero.

    I hope someone a whole lot smarter'n me is calculating the geological effects this will have on the surrounding structure and wells, ahead of time.
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    Lastly, I want to repeat something I posted elsewhere. About this whole "committee" which is tasked with "calculating the flow" coming out of the well: It IS a complete farce!

    For one, BP has had flow readings on this well, from day 1. (If you think they'd drill a well, without knowing the exact yield, I want some of what you're smokin')

    With 12 ROV's in the water, (at least 6 of which appeared to be doing nothing when I looked this morning) it is a simple matter to stick a flow meter in the oil stream for a few seconds, anytime they wish.
    Pi x R (10.5 in.) squared, times the flow in inches per second will give you an exact flow figure!!

    No guesses, no trouble. All this, "Gee, we just don't know, maybe a committee should attempt a guess" crap, is just that... crap. And if that isn't enough, you don't hear one govt. employee, or newsman bringing up this obvious fact.

    Fred
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    Weather 101: Hurricanes & the oil spill

    The 2010 hurricane forecast calls for an above average year for hurricanes and tropical storms. El Nino has weakened which means less wind shear in the tropics. Also, ocean temperatures are running 4 degrees warmer than average. Warm water is critical for storm development.

    The oil spill in the gulf is small compared to a hurricane. Some hurricanes have been almost as large as the entire Gulf of Mexico itself. The turbulence caused by a cyclone would most likely disperse the oil but depending on landfall, the oil could get washed ashore, or get pulled out farther into the Gulf.

    In other words, the oil spill itself will have virtually no impact on a hurricane, but the hurricane will have both a good and bad impact with the oil it interacts with.

    Ed Buckner explains more and notes some more memorable hurricanes to affect Arkansas in this edition of Weather 101.

    http://www.todaysthv.com/weather/wx1...6366&catid=320
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    Weather 102 :
    Ya know, if the people running HAARP ever had thoughts of "doing some good", this would be a very good year to push any hurricane entering the Gulf, back out into the Atlantic.

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    This looks very concerning , a SWARM of earthquakes in SO CAL......

    http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquak...l.html#listtop

    http://rense.com/general91/qk.htm

    I'm thinking this has to be related to the happenings in the Gulf....
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    BP hires private security contractors to guard ‘black water’


    If they had hired Blackwater, the firm would have had a particularly appropriate sounding name for the job: guarding tar-stained beaches.

    In their latest eyebrow-raising PR move, multinational oil giant BP has enlisted private security contractors to keep onlookers away from oil cleanup sites. While the firm they hired apparently isn't Blackwater (the private security firm Blackwater changed their name to Xe Services after a spate of killings in Baghdad, and has now put itself up for sale), they certainly seem to have 'black water' in their sights.

    Wired's "Danger Room" blog dubbed BP's decision to hire private mercenaries in the Gulf "one of the bestest public relations moves ever."

    The blog notes that BP's move recalls bungled decisionmaking in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, when the US Department of Homeland Security -- and some very wealthy homeowners -- turned to private security contractors to protect their property in the wake of the disaster.

    "This wouldn’t be the first time a private security firm made an appearance in a Gulf disaster," Wired's Adam Rawnsley writes. "When Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans, the Department of Homeland Security and a number of private firms, fearful of reported widespread violence and chaos, turned to private security contractors like Blackwater and ArmorGroup International to protect their property."
    According to reports, the firm hired is named Talon Security.


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    Mysterious illness plagues Gulf oil disaster workers

    SAN ANTONIO -- For weeks now, local hospitals have tracked patients with suspicious symptoms coming in from the gulf coast. Doctors are having trouble distinguishing it from the flu .

    "What makes it challenging is that patients show up with non-specific symptoms. Headaches, fatigue, problems with memory and concentration, upset stomach," lists Dr. Claudia Miller at UT Health Science Center.

    The illness is called "TILT," or Toxicant-Induced Loss of Tolerance. Patients lose tolerance to household products, medication, or even food after being exposed to chemicals, like burning oil, toxic fumes, or dispersants from the spill.

    "Things like diesel fuel, exposure to fragrances, cleaning agents that never bothered them before suddenly bother them," adds Dr. Miller.

    TILT has been difficult to track because symptoms are similar to the flu. Currently, Dr. Miller is educating primary care doctors on how to spot and treat the illness before it gets worse. Though it's not contagious, the best cure right now is staying away from affected areas.

    "Be sure to wear protective equipment and stay out of areas with smell, if [you] feel sick," Dr. Miller says. "The smells are usually chemicals that can make them ill."

    Those who are most at risk are pregnant women and patients with prior medical problems, like asthma. To see how susceptible you may be to the disease,

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    Relax Astrid. There really isn't any correlation between the Gulf and the West Coast, as this map shows:



    In fact, there is a buffer zone, running top to bottom through the US which has no real seismic activity at all.

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    BP credit rating slashed as oil spill costs mount

    • Fitch ratings agency concerned about short-term costs
    • BP rating cut from AA to BBB
    • Head of BP America to appear before Congress today
    • Fitch thinks dividend could be cut


    Costs from the BP Deepwater Horizon oil spill continue to escalate. Photograph: Saul Loeb/AFP/Getty Images

    BP's credit rating has been slashed by Fitch to just two notches above junk status, as the potential cost of the Gulf of Mexico oil spill continues to escalate.

    Fitch cut its rating on BP from AA to BBB this morning, a day after US politicians demanded the company deposits $20bn (£13.58bn) in an escrow account to cover the cost of the Deepwater Horizon disaster.

    The ratings agency said it was concerned that the balance between long-term and near-term cost payments would become "skewed much more heavily towards the near-term than previously anticipated" if the escrow account was created. Fitch also said it was concerned that BP will find it hard to access the capital markets for funding while the full cost of the oil leak remains unclear.

    "In addition, Fitch would be surprised if BP did not suspend quarterly cash dividend payments until the operational and financial impact of the incident is clearer," it added.

    Fitch's downgrade could make it more expensive for BP to borrow, especially if the other ratings agencies follow its lead. The company has around $5bn of cash reserves, and has spent more than $1.6bn fighting the spill.

    It came just a few hours before the head of BP America appears before the House of Representatives committee on energy and commerce, along with four other big oil firms. ExxonMobil, Chevron, ConocoPhillips and Shell are expected to distance themselves from BP by insisting that their own methods are safer.

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    Quote The illness is called "TILT,"
    Can't you just see the President of BP, and Gov. Haley Barber making a joint news conference telling people,
    "Oh TILT isn't a big problem, really. Just make sure you always keep plenty of coins in your pocket for the pinball machines."

    Sorry, cheap joke. Had to be done.

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    Oil sands output set for takeoff, CAPP predicts

    New projects to boost production as they return from backburner



    CALGARY - New oilsands projects and investments have changed Canada's long-range supply picture for the better, according to a new industry report.

    The emergence of several new players in Alberta's oilsands will lift overall crude production between 2020 and 2025, a period that wasn't expected to see any production gains in last year's forecast, the Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers said Wednesday.

    "This improved outlook for the industry coincides with the new investments in oilsands projects by major Chinese companies," the association said in its 2010 to 2025 forecast.

    Sinopec Corp. and PetroChina, both state-owned corporations, injected more than $2 billion into the flagging oilsands in 2009, buying stakes in Athabasca Oil Sands Corp.' s and Total SA's Northern Lights projects.

    Both undeveloped projects had been languishing in an industry hard-hit by dropping crude prices and a global recession dampening demand.

    More robust commodity prices and a less volatile investment climate in the latter half of 2009 pulled a number of projects off the shelf and back into action, said CAPP spokesman Greg Stringham.

    This year alone, investment in Alberta's oilsands is expected to jump by $2 billion to $13 billion, up from $11 billion last year. More recently, China Investment Corp. invested $817 million in a project with Penn West Energy Trust, and Sinopec paid $4.65 billion US for a stake in Syncrude Canada, the largest oilsands operation in the world.

    Oil prices have trended upward this year, and jumped three per cent, or $2.39, to close at $74.38 US a barrel Wednesday. The surge came after reports of strong demand from China and a 1.8-million-barrel draw last week on inventories in the United States.

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    US oil firms 'unprepared' for major offshore disaster

    Major oil firms drilling off the US coastline are as unprepared as BP for a large-scale spill, the head of a Congressional panel has said.

    Edward Markey told the House energy and commerce sub-committee Exxon-Mobil, Chevron, ConocoPhillips and Shell all have identical response plans to BP.

    BP's US chief Lamar McKay and four other oil bosses gave evidence amid accusations BP took shortcuts.

    President Barack Obama is to make a TV address later from the White House.

    He will use the prime-time speech, at 2000 (0000 GMT), to outline the next steps his administration will take against the spill.

    Those are reported to include new steps to restore the Gulf Coast ecosystem and explicit demands to ensure BP fully compensates those affected.

    This week, the BBC is assessing the impact of the Louisiana oil spill. To see the scale of the new deep water drilling rigs in one of the world's biggest and deepest off-shore fields, join BBC World News in Brazil on Tuesday with Paulo Cabral.

    The speech will be delivered from the Oval Office, a setting reserved for the most sombre and important moments in US national life.

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    6 days before explosion, BP engineer called Deepwater Horizon a 'nightmare well'

    WASHINGTON - BP took measures to cut costs in the weeks before the catastrophic blowout in the Gulf of Mexico as it dealt with one problem after another, prompting a BP engineer to describe the doomed rig as a "nightmare well," according to internal documents released Monday.

    The comment by BP engineer Brian Morel came in an email April 14, six days before the Deepwater Horizon rig explosion that killed 11 people and has sent tens of millions of gallons of oil into the Gulf in the nation's worst environmental disaster.

    The email was among dozens of internal documents released by the House Energy and Commerce Committee, which is investigating the explosion and its aftermath.

    In a letter to BP chief executive Tony Hayward, Reps. Henry Waxman and Bart Stupak, both Democrats, noted at least five questionable decisions BP made in the days leading up to the explosion.
    "The common feature of these five decisions is that they posed a trade-off between cost and well safety," said Waxman and Stupak. Waxman chairs the energy panel while Stupak heads a subcommittee on oversight and investigations.

    "Time after time, it appears that BP made decisions that increased the risk of a blowout to save the company time or expense," the lawmakers wrote in the 14-page letter to Hayward. "If this is what happened, BP's carelessness and complacency have inflicted a heavy toll on the Gulf, its inhabitants, and the workers on the rig."

    The letter, supplemented by 61 footnotes and dozens of documents, outlines a series of questions Hayward can expect when he comes before Stupak's subcommittee on Thursday.

    The hearing will be Hayward's first appearance before a congressional committee since the explosion and sinking of the BP-operated Deepwater Horizon rig. BP America President Lamar McKay and other officials represented the company at earlier hearings.

    The letter by Waxman and Stupak focuses on details such as the design of the well, saying that the company apparently chose a riskier option among two possibilities to provide a barrier to the flow of gas in space surrounding steel tubes in the well.

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    Quote Edward Markey told the House energy and commerce sub-committee Exxon-Mobil, Chevron, ConocoPhillips and Shell all have identical response plans to BP.
    Gita;
    I wonder if all their plans include what to do with all the Gulf Coast walruses, like BP's plan.

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    President Obama: BP Spill Is An 'Assault'

    Barack Obama has insisted that BP will be pursued over the oil spill "assault" making landfall on Florida's pristine shores.

    We will be making sure BP pays for the damage it has caused," the president said to rousing applause from military personnel at Pensacola Naval Air Station.

    Mr Obama said that although only a fraction of the 27,000 national guardsman ordered to help have been deployed so far, thousands more will soon help thwart the slick.

    "Because this isn't just an environmental disaster, for many families it is an economic disaster," he said.

    Mr Obama linked the environmental challenge America faces to its struggle with ongoing wars it is fighting abroad.

    "This is an assault on our shores and we are going to fight back with everything we've got... we will be fighting back with the greatest military in the world," he said.

    "I am going to speak to the nation tonight about this," he said.

    Mr Obama will give his first speech from the Oval Office to the American people over the issue facing the country and is expected to talk further about BP's responsibilities.

    It comes as a poll by Associated Press-GfK found that 52% of respondents disapprove of his handling of the spill and 83% show disapproval of BP's role since the April 20 rig explosion.

    Meanwhile, his officials are urging that a multi-billion dollar oil spill fund is taken out of BP's hands because of both expediency and liquidity concerns.

    "The best way to prevail on BP is to take the claims process away from BP," White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said.

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    Oil estimate raised to 35,000-60,000 barrels a day

    (CNN) -- Government officials Tuesday increased the estimate of oil flowing into the Gulf to between 35,000 and 60,000 barrels (1.5 million to 2.5 million gallons) per day, up to 50 percent more than previously estimated.

    The government's previous estimate, issued last week, was 20,000 to 40,000 barrels per day. The change was "based on updated information and scientific assessments," and was reached by Secretary of Energy Steven Chu, Secretary of the Interior Ken Salazar, and Chair of the National Incident Command's Flow Rate Technical Group Marcia McNutt, the Deepwater Horizon Incident Joint Information Center said.

    "The improved estimate is based on more and better data that is now available and that helps increase the scientific confidence in the accuracy of the estimate," it said.

    Alberto Alisedo, a member of the flow rate technical group, said scientists reached the consensus after a three-hour conference call on Monday and a 10-hour meeting on Sunday of the group in Seattle, Washington.

    BP is working to contain more of the leak at the sea floor: the Lower Marine Riser Package cap now in place can capture as many as 18,000 barrels of oil per day. A second containment option could expand that capacity to 20,000-28,000 barrels per day, the information center said, and BP said Tuesday its response "is not determined by flow rate estimates."

    "Our primary concern is to capture as much oil as possible," BP spokesman Toby Odone told CNN after the new estimates were published. "We are building options to contain higher volumes of oil."


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    Gita;
    I wonder if all their plans include what to do with all the Gulf Coast walruses, like BP's plan.
    Who knows King Pengy!!

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    CARBON TAX!!! Well, this will get voted through now: "He (the President) is also expected to push Congress to pass comprehensive energy and climate legislation — the president supports a tax on carbon emissions as part of the plan, as well as outline steps being taken to ease the effects of the disaster on Gulf coast residents and revamp national agencies that oversee the oil industry." http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...ryId=127862326
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    Just a second ... can anyone plz explain why obama and gs and bp etc are still trying to make money out of this? Even if the oil stoped right now. The toxics and oil that will be washed ashore really really soon... the gases the death that will follow.

    USA will be hurt the most, all its needed is a big hurricane and all the south USA will be a toxic zone of death. This will bring down the global economy wont it? So why on earth are they still trying to make money out of this? It will take so long to truly effect the EU and Asia that i dont even start to imagine how this depopulation plan will work.... Yes it will kill of almost all the seas in the next years thus reducing the oxygen etc etc... i am really puzzled dont these ppl realize what they are doing?

    This will be the downfall of the USA we know. i am sure that Martial Law will follow and economy collapse.

    Anyone understands the big plan cause lately i cant....

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