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    I, personally, do not understand why the idea of a "supernova" was even mentioned.... did somebody throw a monkey wrench in the line of logic?
    Seems so.

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    I receive the Earth Changes Media newsletter (but I'm not a subscriber).

    In the March 19 edition:

    Quote Scientists Warn of Unexpected CME Bomb during Solar Cycle 24

    by Mitch Battros - Earth Changes Media

    Scientists are learning to predict giant solar storms that could, at any time, hit the Earth and produce cascading catastrophes. This statement comes from the highest esteemed agency -- The National Science Foundation. The NSF is internationally known for its extremely careful release of information to maintain its reputation of credibility.

    A coronal mass ejection (CME) is a discharge of 'charged particles' sometimes referred to as 'plasma' from our Sun. CME's are almost always associated with sunspots and solar flares. If a CME is Earth directed, it can cause severe damage from power grid failures to earthquakes.

    As mentioned in previous articles, the NSF has endorsed my 1998 Sun-Earth Equation (see below). Today's announcement has issued a heads-up warning suggesting our current solar cycle, Cycle 24, could in fact possess a serious, if not record-breaking coronal mass ejection (CME) which could bring the world to its knees.

    Equation: Sunspots => Solar Flares or CME's => Shifting Earth's Magnetic Field => Shifting Jet Stream => Shifting Ocean Currents => Extreme Weather and Human Disruption (Battros 1998)

    Today's NSF warning of future hazards has in fact happened on three occasions in recorded history. Note: The term "recorded history" reflects an extremely short period of time capturing a mere approximate 200 year span. This is to say; although I am speaking of a possible 4th event which could be labeled as "record-breaking", it does not consider the fact the Earth has experienced such an event thousands -- if not hundreds of thousands -- of times during Earth's life history. However, such an event occurring within the next 2 to 4 years would cause unmatched devastation due to our current electro-magnetic technological advancements.

    The first and most spectacular event occurred on September 1st 1859. The Sun unleashed a massive record-breaking coronal mass ejection (CME), speeding through our solar system at nearly the speed of light (671 million per hour - or 186,282 per second), hitting Earth's magnetic field. This caused the largest geomagnetic storm ever recorded setting off auroras across half the world almost reaching into Central America just short of the equator. To give perspective; the average solar storm sets off auroras which cover Alaska and maybe down into northern Canada.

    This event has become known as the Carrington Storm or Carrington Event, named after Richard Carrington, a member of the Royal Astronomical Society, observing Sunspots through a telescope, making the first-ever observation of a white-light flare -- a huge explosion erupting on the solar surface. The explosion observed by Carrington signaled the ejection from the Sun of an interplanetary hurricane directed at Earth. Approaching at 5 million miles per hour, it struck 18 hours later and immersed the planet in the biggest magnetic storm ever recorded.

    The second Carrington Event occurred March 15th 1989 with Quebec, Canada as its epicenter. A wave of ten X-class solar flares set off in rapid succession which was Earth directed knocking out Quebec's largest power grid. 6,000,000.00 people went without power during one of Montreal's worse ice storms. A great number of the population went without power for up to three weeks. The community survived by relying on their neighbors. Homes with a fireplace were the only source of warmth for thousands.

    The third Carrington Event was actually a 'near-miss' occurrence. It occurred on November 4th 2003 and is also known as The Halloween Event. The sunspot group had just rotated around the Sun's western limb before exploding. If it had been Earth directed, no one is quite sure what the devastating results would be. This was the largest solar flare ever recorded measuring an X-45. It literally sent NOAA's and the USAF measuring instruments off-the-scale. They had to recalibrate their instruments which will now read solar events beyond X-50.

    CMEs are associated with peaks in the activity of sunspots, which are knots of magnetism on the Sun's surface generated by subsurface movements of solar material. (Sunspots appear dark because they are cooler and therefore less bright than their hotter surroundings.) Sunspot activity peaks about every 11 years; this 11-year cycle is, in turn, related to a 22-year cycle of reversals in the Sun's magnetic field.

    During a typical 11-year sunspot cycle, the Sun hurls about 100 severe CMEs and about four extreme CMEs into the solar system--only a fraction of which usually hit the Earth. Such CMEs are most likely to occur during peaks in sunspot activity, and are less likely to occur during periods of low sunspot activity.

    CMEs still occur during periods of low sunspot activity; but they are just fewer and further between than during active sunspot periods. It is still very possible for a fierce geomagnetic storm to occur during a solar minimum. The 1859 geomagnetic storm was the largest storm ever recorded; "but there is absolutely no reason why the Earth couldn't be hit by an equally or even more violent geomagnetic storm today, tomorrow, or the next day," said Sarah Gibson of the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR) in Boulder, Colo.

    Because scientists vigilantly watch for CMEs through high-tech telescopes and because it usually takes two or three days for most of a CME's impacts to reach the Earth, scientists can anticipate geomagnetic storms once Earth-directed CMEs start. Nevertheless, scientists cannot yet forecast when CMEs will start.

    With funding from the National Science Foundation, scientists at NCAR are currently using various methods to improve their understanding of CMEs and their ability to forecast them. Among these methods are computer simulations of CMEs that describe their physical properties based on conditions on the Sun and Earth and the laws of magnetism, electricity, gravity and thermodynamics--as shown in the above image and an animated simulation of a CME.

    Some simulations are based on hypothetical data that is designed to reflect typical solar events. But other simulations are based on specific data collected on a particular day and are designed to recreate actual CMEs. Data incorporated into such simulations may include, for example, the Earth's position relative to the Sun during the CME; the mass, composition, size and electrical charge of the CME; and conditions immediately around the Earth upon the CME's arrival. By comparing their simulation with direct observations of the real-life CME it was designed to recreate, scientists can evaluate their simulation's accuracy and improve it.
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    Thank you for sharing

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    As we should all be aware, the so-called "mythologies" of antiquity were the documented records of our forefathers in the most comprehensive understanding of the time. For a researcher, the records from antiquity serve as an evidential trail to understanding the present. To gain a better perception of what was observed by out ancestors one might want to watch this hour long video:

    David Talbott - Thunderbolts of the Gods - http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...s+of+the+gods+ If you haven't seen this, it's well worth the watch.

    The whole concept of an 'electric' universe is contrary to currently accepted cosmological theory, and the "Oxford Template" (i.e. keep it all in a box) of contemporary astrophysics. By combining the disciplines of leading edge plasma physics, modern astronomy, and ancient mythology, David Talbott has documented a revolutionary theory, and is among a small number of scientists on the leading edge of a dynamic new understanding of the mechanics of our universe.

    This is all very relevant to what is happening to the Sun, and is foundational to understanding what is about to unfold - again....
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    The biggest danger it to our magnetic field and if sufficently weakened the loss of our atmosphere = end of life on earth.
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    K626, this event apparently has happend in the past - and not just once, A LOT. Logic therefor dictates that it does NOT lead to the loss of our atmosphere, as we still HAVE IT.

    To further this argument, as the event apparently is quite common (being observed in 1857 last) it is not even dangerous to living beings, at least not directly.
    I guess it can be safely asumed that in the millenia between the last high civilisations it occurred with magnitues of 10 or more (relativ to the last measured event) on this planet, yet we are still here, and the animals as well.

    So RELAX, and get a water filter :-)
    if you heat electrically get a good down sleeping bag too.
    if you cant live off prana (you can learn that too) get some food, about 2-5 years worth of it, candles and a bunch of books.
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    Quote Posted by K626 (here)
    The biggest danger it to our magnetic field and if sufficently weakened the loss of our atmosphere = end of
    life on earth.

    SpaceShip "HelioSphere"
    Enjoy the flight...

    Personally I think its got more to do with the heliosphere.



    The center of this image is our sun. The sphere around it is our heliosphere. It took Voyager 1,
    launched in 1977, 28 years to reach the first bounderie of the heliosphere.



    Flat side is compression of the heliosphere due to the undergoing forces.
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    Default Re: Something Really BIG is Going on With The Sun

    (split because of amount of images)



    Here we see the heliosphere from "a distance"



    Currently were are "flying" into a part of the galaxy which has more density (dark clouds
    above heliosfeer) than the part of the galaxy we came from. Because of that the heliosphere
    is being compressed.


    Now could it be that because of this compression everything is undergoing, the sun (our sun)
    starts releasing pressure by popping out parts of itself in the form of spheres as big as planet
    Earth...?

    What about popping around in your spacecraft heliosphere to heliosphere, I can't wait...


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    Heliosphere compression supposedly has what effect on the earth? more/stronger CMEs?

    whatever the effect, it will most likely not kill us. it hasnt killed us (or the fauna that existed then) the last few times around.
    the solar system wobbles on its way around the center of the galaxy. how long takes one round? see here:

    CHICAGO (AP) -- It may seem like the sun is just creeping through the heavens, but a new technique for measuring cosmic motion has found that sol is clipping along at an eye-popping 135 miles per second in its orbit of the Milky Way.
    Astronomers using a radio telescope system to make the most precise measurement ever of the solar system orbit found that it takes the sun and its family of planets 226 million years to circle the center of its home galaxy.
    That means that the last time the sun was at this point in its orbit of the Milky Way, dinosaurs ruled the world and human beings were not yet on the scene.
    The new measurement is the most precise value ever determined for one of the fundamental motions of the Earth and its sun, said James Moran of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics in Cambridge, Massachusetts. He spoke Tuesday at the national meeting of the American Astronomical Society.
    "Our new figure of 226 million years is accurate to within 6 percent," Mark Reid, a Harvard-Smithsonian astronomer and leader of the team that made the measurements, said in a statement.
    The sun is one of about 100 billion stars in the Milky Way, one of billions of ordinary galaxies in the universe. The Milky Way is a spiral galaxy, with curving arms of stars pinwheeling out from a center. The solar system is about half way out on one of these arms and is about 26,000 light years away from the center. A light year is about 6 trillion miles.
    Reid and his team made the measurement using the Very Long Baseline Array, a system of 10 large radio-telescope antennae placed 5,000 miles across the United States, from the U.S. Virgin Islands in the east, to Hawaii in the west. Working together as a single unit, the antennae are able to measure motions in the distant universe at an unprecedented accuracy.
    The accuracy is such that the VLBA can look at a bit of sky that has an apparent size one-ten thousandth the diameter of a human hair held at arms length.
    For their solar system measurement, the astronomers focused on Sagittarius A.., a star discovered two decades ago to be at the center of the Milky Way. Over a 10-day period, they measured the apparent shift in position of the star against the background of stars far beyond.
    The apparent motion of Sagittarius A.. is very, very small, just one-600,000th of what could be detected with the human eye, the astronomers said.
    Reid said the measurement adds supports the idea that at the center of the Milky Way is a supermassive black hole.
    "This ... strengthens the idea that this object, much smaller than our own solar system, contains a black hole about 2.6 million times more massive than the sun," Reid said in a statement.
    Moran said the new measurement of the solar system orbit adds new accuracy to a fundamental fact of the universe: Everything is moving constantly.
    The Earth rotates on its axis at about 1,100 miles an hour, a motion that creates day and night.
    The Earth orbits the sun at about 67,000 miles an hour, a motion that takes one year. The sun circles the Milky Way at a speed of about 486,000 miles per hour. And the Milky Way, along with every other galaxy, is moving away from each other, as the universe expands at a constantly accelerating rate.
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    Quote Astronomers using a radio telescope system to make the most precise measurement ever of the solar system orbit found that it takes the sun and its family of planets 226 million years to circle the center of its home galaxy.
    That means that the last time the sun was at this point in its orbit of the Milky Way, dinosaurs ruled the world and human beings were not yet on the scene.
    I highly doubt these kind of statements...

    Maybe the writer of the article forgot a piece of history...?



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    There is a supermassive black hole at the center of the milky way, it is the counter force and wave friction from this that generates all the spin.
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    If the sun does not take out the grid naturally, we should be concerned that the Chinese might.

    “Chinese researchers at the Institute of Systems Engineering of Dalian University of Technology published a paper on how to attack a small U.S. power grid sub-network in a way that would cause a cascading failure of the entire U.S.” http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/21/wo...ia/21grid.html

    Also, I saw the Sun set yesterday and it was almost like a double sun set, shaped like an 8...I was quite spectacular.

    Regarding Mars, it will be closest to the Moon tonight, and at it's best viewing...not another chance like this until 2012.
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    Quote Posted by Redtailhawk (here)

    Regarding Mars, it will be closest to the Moon tonight, and at it's best viewing...not another chance like this until 2012.
    I spotted Mars last night next to the moon. It was one of those times again that I wished I had a telescope.
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    From the link at the NY Times link RedTailHawk posted:

    Abstract
    The vulnerability of real-life networks subject to intentional attacks has been one of the outstanding challenges in the study of the network safety. Applying the real data of the US power grid, we compare the effects of two different attacks for the network robustness against cascading failures, i.e., removal by either the descending or ascending orders of the loads. Adopting the initial load of a node j to be Lj=[kj(Σmset membership, variantΓjkm)]α with kj and Γj being the degree of the node j and the set of its neighboring nodes, respectively, where α is a tunable parameter and governs the strength of the initial load of a node, we investigate the response of the US power grid under two attacks during the cascading propagation. In the case of α<0.7, our investigation by the numerical simulations leads to a counterintuitive finding on the US power grid that the attack on the nodes with the lowest loads is more harmful than the attack on the ones with the highest loads. In addition, the almost same effect of two attacks in the case of α=0.7 may be useful in furthering studies on the control and defense of cascading failures in the US power grid.

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    From InfoSecurity.com 16 September 2009

    Quote A Chinese researcher has discovered weaknesses in the US electricity grid that could enable attacks causing cascading blackouts by attacking relatively small parts of the network.

    Jian-Wei Wang and Li-Li Rong of the Dallan University of Technology used publicly accessible data on the US electricity grid to model its various nodes. They compared two theoretical attacks on 50 network nodes to find out what would happen. One of the attacks took out the nodes with the highest electrical load first. The other concentrated on hitting low-low nodes initially.

    "Our investigation by numerical simulations leads to a counterintuitive finding on the US power grid that the attack on the nodes with the lowest nodes is more harmful than the attack on the ones with the highest loads," said the authors in the report.

    The findings are at odds with their initial expectations, which assumed that hitting nodes with the highest loads first would cause a greater cascading effect as other nodes took on their jobs.

    The US has been increasingly worried about the security of its electricity grid following congressional testimony, and recent reports that both China and Russia have already placed malware at critical points in the grid. Arizona representative Anne Kirkpatrick also warned this week that computer systems that oversee the US critical national infrastructure are constantly under attack, and urged both the White House and Congress to pay more attention to the threat.
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    Thanks Fred, interesting read.
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    Over a decade ago I read two quite separate sources who claimed that the changes in the sun have been NASA’s biggest worry, and NASA’s biggest and most urgent but not so well-kept secret, since the late seventies.

    The problem I have, Stardustaquarion, is that I don’t see how I can know for sure that Anna/Ashayana Hayes’ explanation is more accurate than, say, Dolores Cannon’s, or various others’. Dolores claims that some of the benevolent ETs have already prepared a suitable planet for humanity to migrate to. Dolores also claims that the same benevolent ETs have plans in place to migrate the human race to that location before any natural disaster occurs that would threaten the survival of much of humanity. Then you have various American Indian groups who claim that natural calamities will wipe out most of the human race, but that the survivors will continue perfectly well and stay on the planet well into the future.

    I would have thought that common sense suggests it’s likely all of the above are significantly wrong in some of their major details – including Ashayana. In the absence of a good argument to the contrary, I’m not even convinced that what “the Illuminati” do or have done is hugely significant here – except for their willful pollution of the planet.

    I'm also not convinced that the Chinese want to subjugate the rest of the world if they can. If you take a look at Chinese history or culture, I suggest you'll find that the Chinese concept of having power over somebody else involves a huge obligation (at least once the battle has finished) to act benevolently and like a good and constructive parent.The Chinese emperors always gave bigger presents than the tributes they received. And that wasn't just a gesture.

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    This is an excellent thread. I have studied the Sun (former Griffith Observatory Guide), and I'm quite aware of the combination of circumstances that will create a difficult situation here on earth - the Local Interstellar Cloud, the object discovered in 1983, and the true nature of the plasma field within our Heliosphere. People would get a better idea of the potential explosive events by studying Wallace Thornhill's site, Thunderbolts.info. I'm so glad that others here on this site are aware of Thunderbolts.

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    Northern Santuary has just started a new tread with an in -depth study done in relation to the info I posted to start this thread.

    Absolutely a MUST READ!

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ted=1#post3921
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    Im suprised to see a mainstream ish video about the sun and a possible emp :

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrIx6BKO6IE

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