J. Krishnamurti: Why don't you change?

[Anchor]

One of my favourites, J Krishnamurti, asking the tough question

"Why don't you change?"

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEIfMqM5wnM

And a bonus video, one that I found both profound and funny...

"Holding on till the very end"

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YsuPYYj5jc

[Teakai]

Good stuff, Anchor. I'm thinking it's because people don't realise that there is more to them than they are led to believe. Society by design attempts in all organised facets to keep mankind using only part of their brain - and so people think that's all there is and they don't even really think to look to change themselves, rather they look to change what's outside themselves.

Whole brain unity is what is required for inner change.

So, I'm thinking that one can't really force themselves to change, but they could practise achieving whole brain unity - beneficial change will be the natural outcome.

[ulli]

Posted by Teakai (here)
Good stuff, Anchor. I'm thinking it's because people don't realise that there is more to them than they are led to believe. Society by design attempts in all organised facets to keep mankind using only part of their brain - and so people think that's all there is and they don't even really think to look to change themselves, rather they look to change what's outside themselves.

Whole brain unity is what is required for inner change.

So, I'm thinking that one can't really force themselves to change, but they could practise achieving whole brain unity - beneficial change will be the natural outcome.

I once saw a bio feedback machine which had a monitor on which the activities of both hemispheres of the brain were displayed once a person was hooked up to it. That was in 1980... long time ago. When stimulating the person with words which triggered inner responses, such as the word "lemon", this would then show up as a movement on the screen.
When a person went into deep meditation the mind monitor showed symmetry, a sign that both brain hemispheres were balanced and getting close to the whole brain unity you mentioned.

The power is within each of us, that's just the way it is. And it can't be given to anyone, access to inner power is determined by the person's own efforts.

[ktlight]

Anchor, great that you bring K to the forum. I have tried many times to introduce him. There is certainly the need for his presence here. If PA members would only put in the effort to learn about thought, they would then understand how they are captured into TPTB traps so easily. They would then learn how to resist TPTB.

[Teakai]

Posted by ulli (here)
I once saw a bio feedback machine which had a monitor on which the activities of both hemispheres of the brain were displayed once a person was hooked up to it. That was in 1980... long time ago. When stimulating the person with words which triggered inner responses, such as the word "lemon", this would then show up as a movement on the screen.
When a person went into deep meditation the mind monitor showed symmetry, a sign that both brain hemispheres were balanced and getting close to the whole brain unity you mentioned.

The power is within each of us, that's just the way it is. And it can't be given to anyone, access to inner power is determined by the person's own efforts.

Absolutely agree, Ulli - and I think it's safe to say that meditation is given not much a look in in Western society. When most people can fit in a minute they zone out in front of the TV and get a brainwashing fix - which is just keeping people in one hemisphere and plugged into the system. It's all such a distraction which keeps people looking outward.

Each individual needs to make their own choice to know themselves. It rests with them - and it's the only answer.

People desperately searching for answers and solutions while all the time they are the answer.
That's funny.

[Teakai]

Posted by ktlight (here)
Anchor, great that you bring K to the forum. I have tried many times to introduce him. There is certainly the need for his presence here. If PA members would only put in the effort to learn about thought, they would then understand how they are captured into TPTB traps so easily. They would then learn how to resist TPTB.

Watched this brilliant video the other day which explains it all so well. This is just a 6 minute excerpt and I would totally recommend people watching the whole thing. The speaker is Mark Passio and the full talk is called something like Occult in the police and military.

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv0jv0dVwrg

Enjoy.

[Anchor]

Posted by ktlight (here)
Anchor, great that you bring K to the forum. I have tried many times to introduce him. There is certainly the need for his presence here. If PA members would only put in the effort to learn about thought, they would then understand how they are captured into TPTB traps so easily. They would then learn how to resist TPTB.

It was my honor to give you your 10,000th thankyou for this post

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[ktlight]

Posted by Anchor (here)

Posted by ktlight (here)
Anchor, great that you bring K to the forum. I have tried many times to introduce him. There is certainly the need for his presence here. If PA members would only put in the effort to learn about thought, they would then understand how they are captured into TPTB traps so easily. They would then learn how to resist TPTB.

It was my honor to give you your 10,000th thankyou for this post

Posts 3,596
Thanks 6,267
Thanked 10,000 times in 2,676 posts

LOL

Wow, Anchor, thank you so much. I have been privileged. Respect to you.

[Sophocles]

Here`s Krishnamurti at the U.N. in 1985 (part 5)... It could might as well have been today.

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GY3yxz1h2XA

[vibrations]

Krishnamurti was some kind of starter machine at least for me, his way of thinking is so pure, so simple and so logic it is really pleasure to hear ar read his words. And his lectures were always fun, he always found someone with a "classic" thinking pattern and then from this person point of view developed a new, much better less violent concept. Thank you Anchor.

[ktlight]

I found him quite difficult to understand. Only perseverance led me to finally getting it. K is the bees knees!!!!! View some of K/David Bohm videos about the nature of thought, as well. It's an education you cannot see on any Curriculum, freely given.

[Anchor]

Posted by vibrations (here)
Krishnamurti was some kind of starter machine at least for me, his way of thinking is so pure, so simple and so logic it is really pleasure to hear ar read his words. And his lectures were always fun, he always found someone with a "classic" thinking pattern and then from this person point of view developed a new, much better less violent concept. Thank you Anchor.

Krishnamurti and Ra (via LLResearch) are probably the biggest influencers of my path to date.

Here is a little from Ra, on thought, from the law of one work (this is a repeat, I've posted it before, but, IMHO, its so great, I want to, just this once, gratuitously repeat it )

Let us for a moment consider thought.

What is it, my friends, to take thought?

Took you then thought today?

What thoughts did you think today?

What thoughts were part of the original thought today?

In how many of your thoughts did the creation abide?

Was love contained?

And was service freely given?

You are not part of a material universe.

You are part of a thought.

You are dancing in a ballroom in which there is no material.

You are dancing thoughts.

You move your body, your mind, and your spirit in somewhat eccentric patterns for you have not completely grasped the concept that you are part of the original thought.

[ulli]

The insights I received after meeting J. Krishnamurti (12 hours before the unexpected news of my father's passing) led me to study the writings of Baha'u'llah, a 19th century Persian nobleman and poet, and founder of the Baha'i Faith:

"This is the realm of full awareness, of utter self-effacement. Even love is no pathway to this region, and longing hath no dwelling here; wherefore is it said, "Love is a veil betwixt the lover and the beloved." Here love becometh an obstruction and a barrier, and all else save Him is but a curtain.
For this is the realm of Absolute Command and is free of all the attributes of earth.

The exalted dwellers in this mansion do wield divine authority in the court of rapture, with utter gladness, and they do bear a kingly sceptre. On the high seats of justice, they issue their commands, and they send down gifts according to each man's deserving. Those who drink of this cup abide in the high bowers of splendor above the Throne of the Ancient of Days, and they sit in the Empyrean of Might within the Lofty Pavilion: "Naught shall they know of sun or piercing cold.

Concerning this realm, there is many a tradition and many a verse, of broad or special relevancy, but two of these will suffice to serve as a light for men of mind and heart.

The first is His statement: "O My Servant! Obey Me and I shall make thee like unto Myself. I say `Be,' and it is, and thou shalt say `Be,' and it shall be."

And the second: "O Son of Adam! Seek fellowship with none until thou hast found Me, and whenever thou shalt long for Me, thou shalt find Me close to thee."

-- Bahá'u'lláh, The Seven Valleys and the Four Valleys

[ktlight]

Jiddu Krishnamurti - Exploring the Essence of Love - Thought and Disorder (Ojai) (1982)

Krishnamurti is one of the most significant and profound thinker of the twentieth century. The world is full of 'spiritual' nonsense, and Krishnamurti speaks to us in a most intelligent, relevant and deeper way. This series of 6 talks, titled "Exploring the Essence of Love", was recorded in Ojai, California in 1982. If you are already familiar with Krishnamurti's work you won't be surprised by the quality of the content.

He asks "Is thought itself the source of disorder?" at around 12-ish minutes.

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrR1pxhPWso

[ovis]

Posted by ktlight (here)
Jiddu Krishnamurti - Exploring the Essence of Love - Thought and Disorder (Ojai) (1982)

Krishnamurti is one of the most significant and profound thinker of the twentieth century. The world is full of 'spiritual' nonsense, and Krishnamurti speaks to us in a most intelligent, relevant and deeper way. This series of 6 talks, titled "Exploring the Essence of Love", was recorded in Ojai, California in 1982. If you are already familiar with Krishnamurti's work you won't be surprised by the quality of the content.

He asks "Is thought itself the source of disorder?" at around 12-ish minutes.

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrR1pxhPWso

Any body that not only read this stuff but actually contemplate it will inevitably change his or hers conditioning. Live it and this will profoundly changes you in every way.

This made things more clear for me than what ever forum or presentation ever could.

He might not be a guru / teacher / leader but he certainly put together al the material to educate yourself

It you are serious about anything in life you should take at least note of a part of his work. !


Downloadable books:

http://www.messagefrommasters.com/Ebooks/Jiddu-Krishnamurti-Books.htm


Lots of material:

http://www.jiddu-krishnamurti.net/


Lots of Videos:

http://www.jkrishnamurti.org/default.php

[ovis]

Krishnamurti and Ra (via LLResearch) are probably the biggest influencers of my path to date.

I think JKM is far more down to earth ;-)

No seriously i read thought the whole Ra Material (The actual books)
but i have to say that the books of JKM made a magnitude more impact
on me that any other source that if have ever encountered.

I know there is no way to compare it and that it might even be stupid to do.

Its just how I felt it.

[greybeard]

It has all to do with frequency, spiritual energy, atoms in movement.
Every enlightened teacher will tell you the same thing as does KM
The words are the carrier of the energy of enlightenment.
The words may have some informational value but that is not the main thing.
Nasargadatta went as far as to say If you sleep with the book "I am That" under your pillow i will have the same effect as if you read it.

Its the interplay between the students genuine spiritual intention and the energy in the auric field and words of the Master.
If the "student" is ready for enlightenment then it occurs via Divine Grace.
The Self of the student is the same as the Self of teacher.
There is no duality.
Many will benefit from being in the presence of an enlightened master such as KM but few as yet are ready to receive the Grace of the Guru.
There are many seeming contradictions, the Master can not make enlightenment happen.
Enlightenment can happen without a master devotee relationship but it helps.
Eventually there is nothing to be known yet everything is known.
This young man explains it well.
Please go to the link.
Regards Chris

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post294203

[ktlight]

Greybeard, Did you know that K would accept no labels. He would say, to hear anyone call him a guru, 'You didn't get it." I think of K as an educator of a high spirituality, intent on getting humanity to understand its conditioning and condition.

[greybeard]

Posted by ktlight (here)
Greybeard, Did you know that K would accept no labels. He would say, to hear anyone call him a guru, 'You didn't get it." I think of K as an educator of a high spirituality, intent on getting humanity to understand its conditioning and condition.

Oh yes that is true, it is us that invent the labels.
Enlightenment is a state--- there is no person to claim enlightenment.
As said the Self of the teacher is the same as the Self of the so called pupil-- its just linguistics, which are required in this world of seeming duality.

Regards Chris

[Teakai]

Posted by ktlight (here)
I found him quite difficult to understand. Only perseverance led me to finally getting it. K is the bees knees!!!!! View some of K/David Bohm videos about the nature of thought, as well. It's an education you cannot see on any Curriculum, freely given.

Hi KT, is that David Bohm the same man who was looking into the holographic universe theory?