What technologies, activities or concepts will be made obsolete by Free Energy

[Melinda]

Thank you for your response Wade. I feel inspired to tell people about FE. It is, true to its name, an energising experience.

I was wondering if any of you here had come across this info on Dr Greer's site cseti.org (text pasted below.) I only just discovered it, so I thought I'd share it in case it's of interest, in any way. Apologies if this is the wrong place for it.

"Dr. Steven Greer (www.DisclosureProject.org) has teamed up with Emmy Award winning filmmaker Amardeep Kaleka (www.neverendinglight.com). Together they will produce the Disclosure documentary that will connect the dots and rock the world. This film will include witnesses to the UFO secrecy, explain the connection to Free Energy and provide the vision of Contact with ET Civilizations as witnessed by the CE-5 contact teams. Never before has the wealth of information and insight of Dr. Greer been connected to such a talented filmmaker. This is a film that will make history and we need your help to make it a reality! This film will be funded by people like you who want to see Disclosure and new energy a reality. "

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

Greer has been threatening to make this movie for a while. I’ll be watching it, if it can get made. Anybody who gets deep into the UFO/ET issue eventually realizes how tightly wrapped it is with FE and similarly transformative technologies. Some recent efforts along these lines have been rather kindergarten-ish, but I have hopes that Greer’s work will raise the level of the presentation.

Best,

Wade

[Melinda]

Thank you for your response Wade. Your generosity with your time on this forum is humbling.
I'm gradually making my way through the Healed Planet thread, which is incredible to me. I'm only at page 12 so far and the richness of people's contributions makes it akin to traversing an ancient woodland; testing, uplifting, and even transporting. Time will tell if I can make it through to the end.

I returned to this thread because of something you mentioned in post No.235 of the Healed Planet thread, when referring to an interviewer... " He said that when he asks people what they would do with their lives if all their needs were met (food, clothing, shelter, transportation, etc.), the most common answer was, "I don't know." That is a key part of the conundrum. Not only is free energy and abundance unimaginable to almost everybody, few people can even imagine what they would do if there was abundance."

It reminded me of a lovely story I read recently: Anastasia by Vladimir Megre. When he first meets Anastasia, Vladimir cannot fathom what this young woman, who lives her life in the forest with no job, does with her days. Without revealing too much (in case anyone reading this post decides to read the story) the answer to that question is rooted in Anastasia's above-average expansion of her psychic abilities combined with the purity of her intention - and those things are closely related to her deep relationship with (and grounding in) the natural environment and its many living creatures.

It almost becomes like a poem, or a piece of music, when we live that connection so freely and unencumbered that our mutual exchanges of consciousness between other animals and plant life flow through us like the elements. To anyone who has experienced it, even if only in a few moments of their life, it is tangible... Broadening consciousness and uplifting the spirit. There is something I've glimpsed, like a luminous diamond light, reborn in people's eyes when they live and breath this connection - heart, mind and body.

One of my visions that I like to hold for an abundant world, is that skepticism about the delicate bliss of such experiences, will become obsolete. That the programming to dull our senses, which occurs from such an early age, will dissolve into the past like the passing and misguided illusion it always was.

I thank everyone here for letting me be part of this rare conversation you've created. Reading though the thread, each time someone added some new entity to the list of obsolescence, I watched it in my mind disappearing from the landscape; leaving fresh air in its place, and a sigh of relief from this beautiful planet. It's a good vision.

[wynderer]

a vision i saw clearly -- anyone anywhere on Earth could start out walking in any direction -- when night falls , anyone -- a small child, a young girl, an old man -- can pitch their tent or put their sleeping bag down anywhere, knowing that they will be in perfect safety all night

or they could go up to the door of any home, anywhere, knock, be welcomed in for food & music & conversation & a place to sleep at night

in the morning after breakfast together, the traveller can do what they are able to help a bit & be on their way w/lunch packed

no cars or ID or BigAg -- no sales of 'Private Property -- No Trespassing' signs -- no barbed wire fences

[Melinda]

Posted by wynderer (here)
a vision i saw clearly -- anyone anywhere on Earth could start out walking in any direction -- when night falls , anyone -- a small child, a young girl, an old man -- can pitch their tent or put their sleeping bag down anywhere, knowing that they will be in perfect safety all night

That is a beautiful vision.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Wandering Ponderer:

IMO, this is the best thread that I have ever seen.

Hi Wynderer:

Keep it up.

Best,

Wade

[Ilie Pandia]

Free Energy will make all hierarchical structures obsolete and so, a few niches in hell would vanish.

Starting from families, where there is a family head (not a family heart ), and the children that must obey or else.

Religious organizations with their quest to "save the human soul".

Nationalism! Sure, prosperity is fine for me, but why should the neighbor get it too?! He is not a christian, or an American, or a democrat... he sure does not deserve such a blessing!

War, patriotism, national security, honor... such big words that would be ridiculous in FE society. And I'll add here all the military slogans, "codes" and songs.

Employment would be gone... with both those "above me" and those "below". No more rooting for my boss's seat or trying to exploit my employees. No more I'm more special than you but not as special as the CEO.

No more ego flattering with showcasing your possessions in front of those less fortunate, trying to fill the void you feel when others "have more".

No more calling people "human resources" with a price tag attached to them.

No more elitism. It's so easy to accept that for those "above", but no so much for those "below" when you are part of the elite. All our ego stroking would end. (The ego may even go extinct).

This would also mean that we would have to take full responsibility for our lives. There will be no one left to blame. Oh, and there will be no more saviors, no more messiahs or victims to be saved, for that matter. It may well be that in an abundant society even "service to others" would not make much sense any more, as everybody would be very much "response able" for their creations.

All of the above are mostly un-explored obstacles in the path of Free Energy. Although most would say they want it, do they really?!

So many things would change with the advent of FE energy that FE becomes a threat to our beliefs systems, to our customs, traditions. In fact, dare I say that FE would mean the end of the world as we know it?

I'm going to take a giant leap here, and predict that with FE we would come very close to something we would call God today. Sure, we will have to first clean the planet and in this process purify our minds and bodies, but once that is done, and we are truly free and abundant, and able to love each other, and allow each other to develop, knowing full well that his development is no-one loss (on the contrary), how long will it be until we become powerful and wise creators? This is how radically FE would change us! This is why FE is such a threat to our current way of life.

How much would you be willing to give up to have free energy? What would make it worth while? Would you give all your money? All your possessions? Your status? Your job? Your customers? Your sense of power over others? Your fame?

[CdnSirian]

"I'm going to take a giant leap here, and predict that with FE we would come very close to something we would call God today." Ilie exceptional post, and it causes me to reflect on the "god" issues I have had. Firstly, though scientifically illiterate, I have always been the 'skeptic' that science admires. I question, question, question, as much as any laywoman can.

Religiously, I have questioned also, and have envied the faith that many have that enables them to keep believing that "everything is O.K." Faith certainly reduces stress.

Some of the new-agey gurus and even one Christian bible-belt minister, have been condemned as serious heretics because they have decried the hierarchies of any kind. In other words we are "all children of God in whom He is well pleased".

So I agree with you that FE will be a great challenge to many. While relieved at the reduction of their power bills, many will feel real pain at giving up their "place". They may feel like they would if the stock market crashed. (And it will, but it won't mean anything). It will be a huge transition for them.

I hope there will be a wonderful flash mob created to cheer everyone on. I'll be happy to choreograph it.

[Wade Frazier]

When I see Ilie makes posts like that, I get a mission accomplished feeling and, believe me, I don’t get them often. Ilie gets it like few others that I have yet met, and his posts are the gold standard of what I am looking for.

Best,

Wade

[Dennis Leahy]

Posted by Ilie Pandia (here)
Free Energy will make all hierarchical structures obsolete...

How much would you be willing to give up to have free energy? What would make it worth while? Would you give all your money? All your possessions? Your status? Your job? Your customers? Your sense of power over others? Your fame?

All of it.

What could possibly bring a greater depth of joy than to see all of humanity's needless suffering end?

All human-to-human fear will dissolve, as useless as a heavy winter coat on a fine summer day. A depth of peace will prevail that has never been experienced on Earth. Cultural diversity, no longer able to fuel fear, contempt, or envy, will become celebrated, sort of the same way we would now celebrate having dozens of species of birds visit our bird-feeders simultaneously - individuals will be welcomed as "exotic" rather than being shunned as "strange." The final barriers will be religious, and the hierarchical structure of religious institutions will fight to remain "in control" and to declare their congregation's - whom they believe (or pretend to believe) to be favored by god - superiority over all others. This hold over people will slowly dissolve as people recognize that god is "allowing" all people to experience abundance, and that all of humanity, not a chosen cluster, is simultaneously experiencing divine or near-divine abundance.

In the beginning, the first generation of abundance, there will be much clean-up of the planet, and so too will there be working through human feelings like guilt and fear. Even though we could instantly transform all societies, it will in fact take some time. But with competition meaningless the (perceived) barriers to compassion will be gone and joy will ignite through humanity at an amazing speed, growing exponentially as it spreads across and around the world.

Dennis

[gripreaper]

Posted by Wade Frazier (here)
When I see Ilie makes posts like that, I get a mission accomplished feeling and, believe me, I don’t get them often. Ilie gets it like few others that I have yet met, and his posts are the gold standard of what I am looking for.

Best,

Wade

Sovereignty. Moving from victimhood to Sovereignty. Thanks Ilie, Wade and Dennis. What a great vision.

[trenairio]

If free energy can become a reality, then we may be able to achieve a peaceful Left-Libertarian society.

[Ilie Pandia]

Lighting the candle of abundance...

There is more than enough for everyone.

Read that again, intently, slowly and try to comprehend its meaning:

There is more than enough for everyone. Abundance for anyone (including me) is a real possibility.

How do you feel? How does it strike you? Is it a true statement? Is it a blatant lie? Is it wishful thinking? To good to be true?

The first thoughts that come to my mind are:

"Oh, that so silly! Of course there is NOT enough for everyone! Obviously there are limits! There is a limited amount of food, a limited amount of money, of housing. There is a limited amount of resources on this planet. We can NOT all be living in abundance... some.. few maybe... but definitely NOT all! There is a built in limit in anything! Not everybody can have a beach house and a luxurious life style... someone has to work! There will always be masters and servants.... it's the way of things... Thinking of abundance for everybody is delusional and a waste of time at best. I really can't accept that there is enough for everyone. That's not what I observe in my reality."

Are your thoughts similar to mine? Do you also feel that "living in abundance for all" is a fool's dream?

This is Godzilla's biggest victory. The limitation of our dreams, of our imagination, of what we accept as being possible! We may wish for abundance, but deep down we don't accept it as real and therefore we never really purse it.

The line of thought described above I recognize now as being "scarcity programming". It is still within me, but looking at it, bringing to light and seeing it for what it is will hopefully diminish its grasp on me.

Free Energy would make such reasoning obsolete. All the limits in my line of thought are in fact energy limitations and nothing else. Food is energy and requires energy to be produced. Money, as we've seen will no longer be an issue in a FE world. Housing will change and will be able to accommodate everyone. Not everyone wants a house on the beach. Most likely nobody will want to own a house anyway. And yes, we can all live luxurious life styles compared to now, but our values will be different. We will no loner run after "select hotels" and "expensive cars" to show off and create a crutch for our self esteem, but rather we will live in the best and most comfortable conditions made available for free by the use of technology and free energy. This comfort and abundance will be in support of our growth and evolution, and will not be used against us, to turn us into mindless consumers with a compulsive need to buy more, to have more. We make come to realize that we are able to live quite comfortably having next to nothing! And I am not talking about austerity here. I am just talking about the "need to own" fading away.

And no, there is no need for masters and servants. Even as it is today the technology can free man from mindless work into "creative work" (also known as play). Perhaps this is not obviously so to us right now, but I believe no man needs to work unless she wants to! We have the tech to be free from work, we only need Free Energy to power it.

So in the end, if you at least consider the possibility of Free Energy, your scarcity programming will become obvious and then being to fade. Abundance is possible, for everyone... including you.

[wynderer]

Hi Ilie -- from your post:

'There is more than enough for everyone. Abundance for anyone (including me) is a real possibility.
How do you feel? How does it strike you? Is it a true statement? Is it a blatant lie? Is it wishful thinking? To good to be true?'

of course this is completely possible -- we could do it now should the matrix collapse & all , or most, were in accord

tho i think you are describing one of post-Shift worlds, one of the diverging timelines

in support of this as being entirely realize-able -- every time i drive across this country [USA] i am amazed by how much land is not lived on by anyone --of course, it's 'owned' by someone [the Queen , the Catholic Church, etc] -- but there it is! some of it pretty nice land, too!

wyn

[CdnSirian]

Posted by trenairio (here)
If free energy can become a reality, then we may be able to achieve a peaceful Left-Libertarian society.

We will not have the need for politics as we know them. Reasonably measured local organizers or participation-by-all meetings can run everything. After all, we'll have the time and won't need a gazillion$ campaign budget. Just show up.

I think everyone is creative. If we don't have to work to shelter and feed ourselves, we can all be artists or artisans (I don't see the difference but apparently there is one) providing for the others.

Maybe our planet will become a system art gallery and "county fair" for all our galactic bretheren to visit.

Please book in advance!

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

I have stated it before; this is the best thread that I have ever seen, and while Ilie brought plenty to the table, it is sometimes astonishing that Ilie has gotten the lesson so clearly. Yes, you will see glimpses of what Ilie is referring to here and there, such as John Lennon wondering if we can even imagine having no possessions, in his Imagine. Planting seeds like that is good work, but as Ilie knows, making it a practical reality will mean abundant, clean energy. Godzilla knows this all too well, which is why FE is watched closer than any other potentially disruptive technology. If we can just begin to imagine abundance, and realize, as Ilie so eloquently put it, that the only reason why we don’t is very deeply-baked scarcity conditioning, and we do most of Godzilla’s work for him, keeping each other in line with the “program” of scarcity and survival, maybe we can get somewhere. It is time to wake up from the nightmare and dare to dream the dream of abundance. For quite some time, that has been about the only point of my work, and this thread gets it across like no other that I have seen.

What an honor it is to see it flower here.

Best,

Wade

[sandy]

Hi Ilie,

Just like scarcity programming has been a process I believe that abundance programming is a process also, at least for me it is.

One of the ways I learned that possessions have no real importance is that I lived for one year in an old, old 72' cab over motor home, traveling from one end of North America to the other>>>>Alaska/Yukon >>>>Mexico and back. I was by myself and it was year of contentment and learning to live with little. From that experience I used to say that I could probably be a Bag Lady easier than some

I believe that the process is really one of LOVE and the more one can "selflessly love oneself" the greater the abundance one can see, feel, experience and share.

Thus the more we can Free our own Energy to flow with our ever present Love Source/FREE ENERGY, the greater we enhance the vision and reality of the abundance all around us.

Scarcity comes from FEAR and Abundance comes from LOVE and what helps me to get centered is to address what I'm fearing when I notice that I'm not feeling okay. I just ask myself what am I afraid of and sit quiet and it isn't very long before the awareness comes and I can analyze, take responsibility and 9 times out of 10 poo-poo it as it isn't rational or else take action to lessen or alleviate what is fearful to me.

Hope this makes sense to people as IMHO abundance is personal and until each person can find their own sense of value how can they not put store in abundance being possessions versus health, happiness, Love, etc.

It has to be REAL for people to believe in abundance but the real comes in "feeling it" as how many do you or I know that have plenty but it is not good or enough.

[Melinda]

Posted by Ilie Pandia (here)
...And no, there is no need for masters and servants. Even as it is today the technology can free man from mindless work into "creative work" (also known as play). Perhaps this is not obviously so to us right now, but I believe no man needs to work unless she wants to! We have the tech to be free from work, we only need Free Energy to power it...

I'm so glad you refreshed this thread with that post Ilie. The eventual disappearance of class boundaries is one of the things that moves me most about a free-energy world. With people free to nourish, house and educate themselves equally, the idea of different classes will become obsolete and not a moment too soon. What a vicious illusion of separation it has constructed, and what a wonderful, natural thing it will be to watch it vanishing into the mists of the past.

What you wrote reminds me of the Buckminster Fuller quote that someone sent me the other day:
"We must do away with the absolutely specious notion that everybody has to earn a living. It is a fact today that one in ten thousand of us can make a technological breakthrough capable of supporting all the rest. The youth of today are absolutely right in recognizing this nonsense of earning a living. We keep inventing jobs because of this false idea that everybody has to be employed at some kind of drudgery because, according to Malthusian-Darwinian theory, he must justify his right to exist. So we have inspectors of inspectors and people making instruments for inspectors to inspect inspectors. The true business of people should be to go back to school and think about whatever it was they were thinking about before somebody came along and told them they had to earn a living." Apparently that was printed in New York Magazine, March 30th, 1970 (Page 30.) It still rings true today.
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=c...page&q&f=false

This forgotten ability to imagine abundance is one of the saddest products of the social engineering we've been experiencing for eons. In a world where things are often the opposite of what they appear to be, many people believe they have increased abundance. Yet most of what is available to us through the very mediums that are supposed to give us choice (TV, radio, print media, food stores, gadgetry, options of political parties in democracies) is filtered and dictated by a small minority with an agenda. This illusion of choice has been devised to both distract us and lull us into a false sense of release. A kind of controlled catharsis to counter our frustration with the oppressive aspects of our culture.

Many people who come home from work are tired and drained, often purely from the work, but also from the flexing of the ego-muscle that kicks into action in order for us to navigate the competitive environment we endure, subtly or overtly, during the work day. Subsequently, when people get home they'll often turn on the TV, radio, computer-games etc, simply to escape (using what little energy they have left) rather than deeply engage their hearts and minds. So for many people "free-time" is associated with escapist release, not the real creativity that lies unexplored within. Perhaps that's why it scares a lot of people to think about what they'd do without their job, even if they could financially afford to live without it. Escapism is something for the end of the day, or a 2 week vacation. But all the time? In our upside-down city cultures even experiencing the beauty of nature is something reserved for similar time-slots of escape. But our true creativity is a very different thing to escapism. It is as much a muscle as the ego - in the sense that it often needs to be used regularly in order to be the primary driver in our dreams, perceptions and activities. It reminds me of what Sandy said in The Healed Planet thread, about: ... "taking the stress off of people enough that they can dream a little."

For men there is also the pressure of being the 'hunter-gatherer' in order to feel fulfilled and have a standing within family and society. If many jobs become obsolete with the advent of free-energy, what will give people the sense of self that has come with being a doctor, builder, manufacturer etc? In a world rife with problems and shortages, we're programmed to feel that if we're not being paid or thanked for fixing or providing something physical, we haven't made a tangible difference. Whilst men have been pressurised by the hunter-gatherer role, women have endured the limitations (only recently shifting in the west) of not being considered worthy of many workplaces. When I look at the images of the smiling 1950s house wife, twitching with energy and concealed emotions beneath her perfect veneer, its not hard to see where that neurosis came from. She had the pressure of having to fit into a narrow mould, without the vocational or educational opportunities that today's Western women can take a little more for granted. For too long men have been hauled away from the home, and for too long women felt trapped in it. It seems to me like a process. As a culture in the West we've been experiencing the growth of acceptance of women as equal persons (the right to vote, the right to earn as much as a man for the same job etc, the right to be considered worthy of as much respect), and we are discovering what benefits that brings to the collective. Truly exploring and learning to respect each other as equals is a stepping stone spiritually, emotionally and psychologically on the way to exploring a more holographic power structure. A holographic power structure that can offer men more time to explore their valued role in the home, and women more time to explore their gifts beyond it. All of which can nourish us to be more fully-rounded people when stepping out into the world or back through the door of our home, respectively.

I want to mention the scientist MT Keshe, not because I'm trying to promote what people may consider his agenda to be (I know there's been some heated debate on this forum) but because as a physicist in pursuit of new-energy solutions he makes some interesting points. In a lecture he gave ( I think this one: http://youtu.be/fCFO3-MOCYE ) he explained that The Keshe Foundation's research was rooted in finding technological applications for a space-travel context. He pointed out that if a limited number of people are on board a craft for a journey of many years, they cannot rely on the presence of a doctor to remedy their health problems. Supposing there is a doctor but he is the one who becomes unwell/compromised? If the other people on board have access to technology to heal the doctor's ailment without having to rely on his expertise for guidance, and without having to give up one of their own organs (for example) for a transplant, then the community structure within the craft is able to function unhindered. To me this gives a very practical example of the benefits of a holographic power structure, and I enjoy the fact it was provided by someone in active pursuit of new energy solutions, and someone planning for a future blessed with the space travel those solutions can provide.

Often when I imagine a world in the early stages of energy abundance I like imagining by honing in on the details in my mind's eye...

A woman in a small village in Africa stands with her bare feet on the earth, stretching her arms as she gazes peacefully at the sunrise. She is smiling because she knows her husband can spend this and every other day with the family instead of walking miles to find food. He steps outside to join her and they walk into their garden, which is yielding fresh vegetables and fruits. They pick some for their children, before sending them to their new school, which is no longer miles away, but mere minutes on the bus. A bus that glides past the village's crops without polluting the air with fumes.
On a council estate, on the outskirts of a city in Scotland, a single mother, an immigrant, is packing her bag to go to college so she can improve her English. Her mother, who previously could not cope with or afford the long-haul flights from Russia, is now able to visit easily and baby-sit. Free-energy means the flight is less than an hour. She loves to be a part of her grandchild's life. A life she had previously only known in photos. Grandma sits on the couch reading to her grand-daughter, glancing up now and then at the teenagers from the apartments below who've been busy there for days, helping to renovate the women's flat. Free-energy technologies have made this easy, and affordable. The boys are enjoying it. It's the second flat they're helped repair during their weekends and they're discovering they have a talent for it. Their tools are practically silent.
In a small coastal town in Australia a man sits on the beach with his girlfriend. They are keenly tapping away on their keyboards, designing software for an educational program that teaches a history of meditation and healing with sound. They plan to share it at a software-giveaway festival where they meet with other programmers once a month. It's a far cry from the days when the high cost of living had him penned up in an office working in the IT department of a canned-drinks company, while she was across town building websites for an branding agency. They decide to take a break from brainstorming and swim for an hour in the calm whispering of the ocean. They leave their laptops on the beach. In a world where everyone has access to the best computers available, nobody can be bothered to take another person's things. It would just be clutter. And no-one has time for clutter anymore.

I suppose that last part could have belonged on the Future Earth thread. But it just kind of poured out in connection to the other thoughts. I'm so glad this thread exists. It's the first one I found here that made me excited to post. In fact the rough draft of my first post here was more like an essay before I whittled it down to a few enthusiastic lines. I wish I could have this kind of conversation every day.

[Melinda]

I was sad to see this thread disappear from the front page, so I thought I'd make it a visual gift. I was thinking back to when I first watched Brian O' Leary's Free Energy interview with Project Camelot. It wasn't my introduction to the topic, but something about Brian's intellect, his great heart, and his gentle way created a meditative place for contemplating the issues of a free-energy world. I found myself enjoying visions once again of what it could look and feel like to live in a world where everyone had enough, and people were no longer pitted against each other in the ways we are now. I joined this forum having never joined one before, and the first thread I saw that really captivated me was this one. So I thought I'd share with you some of the visions I'd be carrying around day to day that made this thread such a pleasure to find. Thank you everyone, for being here, and for being so generous with yourselves.



This will be my last little post for a while, as I'll be gone for some time.

Much love to you all, my fellow free-energy visionaries.

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Take care AWP and see you later