EXACT DATE for the ascension according to the Maya. Not 12/21/12 and not 10/28/11!

[modwiz]

Posted by Mandala (here)
Maybe it will be a disclosure event. Big mother ships over all the big cities. Compete with that Black Friday!

Hey. Is the big 'mutha' ships or big motherships?

[kersley]

Posted by Mandala (here)
Maybe it will be a disclosure event. Big mother ships over all the big cities. Compete with that Black Friday!

I'm not sure about this mass ascension stuff. I have to agree with you. When we meet our space brothers in the flesh. we will have no choice but to wake up and change the way we view our existence.
all the world relegion will fall on it's face. those in power who has been naughty on this planet will shake in their boots, in fear of the masses who they kept in the dark for so long..
Surely this is what we should expect? It kinda make sense why they always denied Ufo's... My bet is.. whatever date you guy's settle on, we will meet our space brothers..that is ascension ,right there.

[rmauersr]

Wish I knew what changes would occur if/when ascension happens.
Experiencing more of what I have had fun with here, in the past, would be great.

Especially:

• A 30 year old athletic vehicle, if I need one at all.
• Flying Cessna aircraft again, or maybe a sport model UFO.
• Riding a dirt bike, racing my buddies through the woods again. Or maybe the motorcycle will be replaced by something from a Star Wars movie.
• Having the young ladies start looking back again, when I look at them.
• Creative problem solving, if there are any problems. If no problems, at least new exciting adventures should be plentiful.

And most of all:

• Experiencing freedom and healthy loving relationships.
• Playing Frisbee again with two of my most wonderful dogs, Bubba and Fuzzy, who may be waiting for me. 5 years later and the tears still flow. Incredible.

[Black Panther]

First of all I want to say I don't like it at all members attacking
The Truth Is In There. Very childish to ask if he already ascended.
We are all looking for the truth and please step forward if you have
all the answers.

Found this article on Calleman's website from March 18 2012

The main point of Calleman in the article is that we have to do
a lot of work ourselves and a magical shift ain't gonna happen.

Focus on the Sun - Shifting the Frame of Consciousness
of Humanity on the Venus Transit (June 6) and the
Winter Solstice (Dec 21) of 2012

After the intense protest movements during the seven first days of the Ninth wave up until October 28, 2011 it seems to me that the movement for positive change in the world has slowed down at least as what we can see on the surface. The acceleration of time, which culminated during the period March 9-October 28, 2011, will never again be as intense as it was then. On October 28, 2011 all the waves went into their night modes, which however does not mean that the energies of the Mayan calendar will stop influencing us. The Ninth wave, and the energy opening that was created when all nine waves were in the day mode last year, has made an indelible impression on humanity, and after some time of reflection new avenues to move forward will be sought by people more broadly. Thus, the 9th Wave continues to grind unity consciousness into existence, and on October 23 the eighth day of the 8th Wave will be activated and provide a background of feminine energies for this. How these waves will play out in the year 2012 is presented on my web page (http://www.calleman.com/img/graph2012.pdf).

Regardless, the fact that humanity has now experienced all nine levels of evolution means that people everywhere have gained a sense of what is possible and this by itself means an enormous change. My own view is however that we have no reason to expect that any shift in consciousness will take place automatically on a global scale just because there is a special date. If there is a shift in consciousness to be generated, we will have to rise up to the task ourselves. I also think we should keep in mind that a shift in consciousness by definition is not something that is generated out of the already existing frame of consciousness. Thus, a shift cannot be about having more of what we already have like “raising our consciousness” and even less so “raising the vibrations of mother earth.” A shift in consciousness is a shift and not just more of the same or a temporary fluctuation. I think these things are important to keep in mind as we are approaching dates that are possibly to be marked by large events all over the world.

Especially for the December 21, 2012 date some people are however saying that “there will be a shift in consciousness” or “there will be an ascension”, statements that are made without any foundation whatsoever except for the dreams of those pronouncing them. Thus, by themselves both the Venus Transit and the Winter Solstice are like Y2K dates without any inherent energetic meaning and I think it is just as superstitious to associate them with some automatic birth of a new world as the end of the world, which is the big media favorite. What the big media and society at large would most like to see is of course high expectations and then afterwards to be able to say that the Mayan calendar has no meaning. This of course is not true, but very few people have actually gone to the sources of these matters, to verify that no 26,000 year cycle and no galactic alignment, is mentioned in any Mayan source whatsoever. Thus, if people are having expectations based on this, which many do, it completely lacks foundation. A “galactic alignment” has been happening every year for the past 40 years or so and will not create any shift in consciousness this year either. To think that a shift will happen automatically is just millenarianism in a new guise. The Maya clearly did not create their calendar to pinpoint a date in our own time and I think on this point all professional Mayanists agree. If so, they would have created a calendar that was a countdown to this time and they did not. The Mayan kings instead used the calendar to mark shift points in their own time and especially to connect themselves to the time 5125 years ago when the consciousness of nations and all the separation that went with it was first downloaded on our planet. The Mayan kings were themselves rulers of nations and sought legitimacy for this in that early shift in consciousness in 3115 BC when the Long Count began.

Even if nothing will happen automatically it may however still be very possible to use these events to intentionally produce a shift in consciousness. It will then be up to us exactly what to do with it and this is a matter that should be seriously discussed. Maybe in fact the era of nations that the Maya had built their calendar on is now due to come to an end. Almost all forms of separation that exist in the world today in fact depends on our subordination to nationhood, much more so than I think people realize, because it is basically the nations that have instituted the oppression of women as well. Considering that both the Venus Transit on June 6, 2012 and the Winter Solstice on December 21, 2012 involves the sun as a common denominator we may then also ask if this is more than a coincidence that the Mesoamerican traditions have been talking about the arrival of a new Sun. Maybe then, even if nothing will happen automatically, we may be able to intentionally bring about a shift in consciousness with one event leading up to the other. This raises the question what kind of shift would really generate an opening to a future that we would like to have.

Unfortunately, few people are even discussing this issue, as they have been led to believe that a shift will happen automatically. I can guarantee that it will not. I do not think that intentions, and even less so wishful thinking about a better world, are sufficient at this point either. If we want a shift we will actually have to bring it about ourselves and not just any type of meditation would work for this. I do not believe that it would be sufficient to meditate for a few minutes in order to feel good about ourselves for having done something. If it is to have lasting consequences I believe we will have to lift ourselves to a new and higher frame of consciousness, a solar rather than a national.

The Venus Transit on June 6, is an excellent occasion to focus on the sun and bring about such a shift and so may (in the northern hemisphere) be three dark days beginning on December 21 with the same purpose. If this would be successful it could provide a real shift at least in a minority of humanity, who would start to operate on an entirely new basis, earthbound and yet not tied up in its power structures. (Note that also those that oppose their governments, presidents or kings still recognize them as the centers of their lives and are still stuck in the same framework.) A big part of the reason that we do not have peace on earth is of course that we accept different nations as centers and organize our lives around these. If many decide to make the sun the center of the organization of their lives then there would be a completely new basis for life on earth. What I propose is that the shift in consciousness on the Venus Transit and the Winter Solstice of 2012 we should bring is to shift the center of our world from being the nation to being the sun. This can be done by establishing a connection of our third eye, which is our own center, with the sun and would truly be a shift in consciousness. This is not more of the same and it is not something that can be done piecemeal. It has to be done through a shift where we lift ourselves to a new level to become children of the sun. If we are telling ourselves: The sun is the center of my life we will know ourselves if we have reached this level or not. It will all be up to ourselves.

Carl Johan Calleman

[The Truth Is In There]

Posted by Black Panther (here)
First of all I want to say I don't like it at all members attacking
The Truth Is In There. Very childish to ask if he already ascended.
We are all looking for the truth and please step forward if you have
all the answers.

"Unfortunately, few people are even discussing this issue, as they have been led to believe that a shift will happen automatically. I can guarantee that it will not."
Carl Johan Calleman

i don't really mind being attacked anymore. thankfully, i seem to be leaving that stage in my own development behind so i guess my awareness still expands little by little.

as regards the end date hypothesis, it was just a theory and that the date proved to be wrong doesn't mean that time operates not in a fractal way. in fact, the development on earth, including that of humanity, proves that the theory has merit. it's just that we're still experiencing an acceleration in the expansion of awareness on a personal and global level, which is obvious to anyone whose eyes are open. we just haven't reached the climax yet. for all we know it could be dec 21st 2012 or 7 years hence or whenever.

what's important to keep in mind is that our development, personal as well as global, is being influenced by things that appear to be outside of ourselves, as any astrologer will confirm. we positively resonate with those universal energies we're in harmony with and experience vibrations which are slightly disharmonious as prompts to change ourselves.

so i'm still of the opinion that a noticable shift in awareness will happen within a very short time span, perhaps from one moment to the next. however, it depends on the vibration of each person whether one will be susceptible to it or not. i believe that we are being influenced by galactic or universal energies, primarily via our sun, and that ultimately the sun will be the catalyst for change in everyone here on earth, for better or for worse, depending on each one's spiritual and mental state at that moment. for all who are in harmony with those vibrations as they increase to a point where nobody can ignore them anymore it will be a joyous experience, for others probably less so. at that moment everyone will reap what they have sown.

[HORIZONS]

what's important to keep in mind is that our development, personal as well as global, is being influenced by things that appear to be outside of ourselves, as any astrologer will confirm. we positively resonate with those universal energies we're in harmony with and experience vibrations which are slightly disharmonious as prompts to change ourselves.

so i'm still of the opinion that a noticable shift in awareness will happen within a very short time span, perhaps from one moment to the next. however, it depends on the vibration of each person whether one will be susceptible to it or not. i believe that we are being influenced by galactic or universal energies, primarily via our sun, and that ultimately the sun will be the catalyst for change in everyone here on earth, for better or for worse, depending on each one's spiritual and mental state at that moment. for all who are in harmony with those vibrations as they increase to a point where nobody can ignore them anymore it will be a joyous experience, for others probably less so. at that moment everyone will reap what they have sown.

I sense this is true as this has been my experience the last few years, and it seems to be increasing even more. I seem to have a very profound relationship with the sun and the energy it is emitting - and this inner desire to experience this is growing every day, even to the point that it influences my days activities. I am drawn to the sun like never before, and I feel it is for a very deep purpose - it is bringing change into my life - a new kind of change. This may not be true for everyone, but it is for me, and it has just happened, and not something I sought after. The sun is good for you, you just have to know how to relate to it - and this I have been learning.

[Zor B]

First off....we have already transformed.....the task at hand is to remember .....and put into action what is consistent with this truth......the dates mentioned are triggers seeded by our future selves to help us in our Transformation into Light Body.

[The Truth Is In There]

Posted by HORIZONS (here)
I sense this is true as this has been my experience the last few years, and it seems to be increasing even more. I seem to have a very profound relationship with the sun and the energy it is emitting - and this inner desire to experience this is growing every day, even to the point that it influences my days activities. I am drawn to the sun like never before, and I feel it is for a very deep purpose - it is bringing change into my life - a new kind of change. This may not be true for everyone, but it is for me, and it has just happened, and not something I sought after. The sun is good for you, you just have to know how to relate to it - and this I have been learning.

it's the same for me.
i've said something like this in another thread:

nobody can stand in the light of the sun and not be changed for the "better".

"better" from a human perspective with "good/positive" on one end of the scale and "bad/negative" on the other. the simple fact is that hiding from the sun behind sunglasses and sunscreen has more "harmful" effects than most people realize, not just in terms of physical health.

Posted by Zor B (here)
First off....we have already transformed.....the task at hand is to remember .....and put into action what is consistent with this truth......the dates mentioned are triggers seeded by our future selves to help us in our Transformation into Light Body.

i believe you're quite right. since everything exists NOW it is correct that we have already transformed...and we haven't. what matters is our current perspective and from that the transformation hasn't finished yet. it is happening, we are becoming, thus bringing the transformed/final state closer to our current perspective. that is the ongoing transformation, the expansion of awareness.

[Black Panther]

Posted by The Truth Is In There (here)

Posted by HORIZONS (here)
I sense this is true as this has been my experience the last few years, and it seems to be increasing even more. I seem to have a very profound relationship with the sun and the energy it is emitting - and this inner desire to experience this is growing every day, even to the point that it influences my days activities. I am drawn to the sun like never before, and I feel it is for a very deep purpose - it is bringing change into my life - a new kind of change. This may not be true for everyone, but it is for me, and it has just happened, and not something I sought after. The sun is good for you, you just have to know how to relate to it - and this I have been learning.

it's the same for me.
i've said something like this in another thread:

nobody can stand in the light of the sun and not be changed for the "better".

"better" from a human perspective with "good/positive" on one end of the scale and "bad/negative" on the other. the simple fact is that hiding from the sun behind sunglasses and sunscreen has more "harmful" effects than most people realize, not just in terms of physical health.

WoW! That's exactly what I wanted to write yesterday after reading Horizon's post.
Imo it's important we remind ourselves the sun is really important, the center of our
Solar System. Throw away those sunglasses and poisonous sunscreen!

[HORIZONS]

Posted by Black Panther (here)

Posted by The Truth Is In There (here)

Posted by HORIZONS (here)
I sense this is true as this has been my experience the last few years, and it seems to be increasing even more. I seem to have a very profound relationship with the sun and the energy it is emitting - and this inner desire to experience this is growing every day, even to the point that it influences my days activities. I am drawn to the sun like never before, and I feel it is for a very deep purpose - it is bringing change into my life - a new kind of change. This may not be true for everyone, but it is for me, and it has just happened, and not something I sought after. The sun is good for you, you just have to know how to relate to it - and this I have been learning.

it's the same for me.
i've said something like this in another thread:

nobody can stand in the light of the sun and not be changed for the "better".

"better" from a human perspective with "good/positive" on one end of the scale and "bad/negative" on the other. the simple fact is that hiding from the sun behind sunglasses and sunscreen has more "harmful" effects than most people realize, not just in terms of physical health.

WoW! That's exactly what I wanted to write yesterday after reading Horizon's post.
Imo it's important we remind ourselves the sun is really important, the center of our
Solar System. Throw away those sunglasses and poisonous sunscreen!

I fully agree!!! I "used" to be very sun-sensitive and used very dark sunglasses for my eyes and sunscreen for my white skin, as I used to burn easily. I've even had skin cancer removed from my face - the exact area I used sunscreen on - I quit using that crap, cleaned up my diet, do regular detoxing, sungaze, and get as much sun as I can. My eyes are better than ever, my skin is better and I rarely burn anymore and I sunbathe as much as I can - it is amazing how differently I relate to the sun now. I can feel the energy of the sun charging my physical and ethric bodies - the sun is very healing, as I have said so many times. Our relationship to this magnificent star we have is very important, and people should be out in it as much as they can be, and in the right ways, not hiding from it like some say we should. Of corse you do need to use wisdom and don't overdo it, and you need to work up to it in exposure, but it is really amazing how great it will make you feel, how it will give you light-energy, and how this is a benefit to you in so many ways. It will change you!!!

[Deega]

Posted by HORIZONS (here)
I sense this is true as this has been my experience the last few years, and it seems to be increasing even more. I seem to have a very profound relationship with the sun and the energy it is emitting - and this inner desire to experience this is growing every day, even to the point that it influences my days activities. I am drawn to the sun like never before, and I feel it is for a very deep purpose - it is bringing change into my life - a new kind of change. This may not be true for everyone, but it is for me, and it has just happened, and not something I sought after. The sun is good for you, you just have to know how to relate to it - and this I have been learning.

Thanks HORIZONS, at rising Sun, if no clouds, I look directly (five seconds) at the Sun, and it's as if I'm permeated by this great energy, and it's as if I need to do this, I feel required to look at it in the morning specially.

I have read somewhere that breatherian do it Sun rise and Sun set.

All the best to you.

Deega

[HORIZONS]

Posted by Deega (here)

Posted by HORIZONS (here)
I sense this is true as this has been my experience the last few years, and it seems to be increasing even more. I seem to have a very profound relationship with the sun and the energy it is emitting - and this inner desire to experience this is growing every day, even to the point that it influences my days activities. I am drawn to the sun like never before, and I feel it is for a very deep purpose - it is bringing change into my life - a new kind of change. This may not be true for everyone, but it is for me, and it has just happened, and not something I sought after. The sun is good for you, you just have to know how to relate to it - and this I have been learning.

Thanks HORIZONS, at rising Sun, if no clouds, I look directly (five seconds) at the Sun, and it's as if I'm permeated by this great energy, and it's as if I need to do this, I feel required to look at it in the morning specially.

I have read somewhere that breatherian do it Sun rise and Sun set.

All the best to you.

Deega

You are most welcome Deega - all the best to you as well. I fully understand the "need" and "required" feeling you speak of, as being in the sun and its energy is something I feel I must do. I do not fully understand the implications of this yet - but I follow my bliss in this. Sometimes I gaze into the sun for 20 min or more - very intense - and this is from someone that was very light sensitive (so-called). Maybe I am on the path to becoming a breatherian, IDK, I wasn't looking to become a vegetarian when I gave up meat either - it just sort of happened to me.
Much Peace to you~

[HORIZONS]

A friend and myself were having a discussion about the Void and transition states of consciousness and I shard this story with her, and I thought it would fit in here too.

I want to share with you an experience I had this evening as I was sitting outside while eating a good healthy supper. I was sitting at my outside table on the porch and the sun was beginning to get low and would soon be setting, but it was still very bright. I wanted to do some sun-gazing, so I set my chair out on the freshly mowed lawn and placed my bare feel firmly on the ground. There I was nicely grounded, satisfied in every way, at peace with the world. I had my iPod with me, and my best set of headphones on, and I looked through my song list as to what I would listen to as I was sun-gazing – as I had already been listening to the sounds of the countryside since supper, and I had also taken a short walk with the dog around the property. So, since I had already experienced all the natural sounds and sights, I wanted to listen to something else and focus my thoughts and attention on the sun and its light. Well I scroll down and there it is – this would be the perfect music for this moment – my Tom Kenyon audio files. I don't know if you have ever listened to his music, but he has some really amazing music – I have a lot of it, and the folder I listened to was what I call his meditation music.

So I listened to his music and gazed at the sun. The sun was still up some over the horizon and it was still very bright. I could only look at it for a short while before my eyes began to water up, but it was not too blinding, and as the sun began to set it was easier to continue on in my gazing experience. I could manage to keep my eyes open most of the time, but I did blink and squint a lot at first, but that lessened as time went on. The colors in and around the sun that I could see were amazing, and I just kept reminding myself to let it all go and to relax into the light – to go deeper and deeper into the light without any thought, just focusing my attention on the light and the spectrum of colors I was seeing; and to not be to attached to anything, releasing myself from my body ID. The songs of Tom's that I listened to were, The Crystal Palace Within and Opening the Halls of Amenti, Dimensional Attunement Pineal, Heart Dimensional Attunement, and then the first half of Lightship. As I sat there releasing myself into the light and the music I thought about the Void you mentioned and wondered what all it might mean. I looked deep into the sun, at the brightest possible point and tried to see and feel my way into this Void. I felt like it would be a place of nothingness and everythingness at the same time. As I sat there in that stillness I know that I experienced a real moment of non-attachment, yet my memory and awareness were very pronounced. I could feel that "I" as consciousness-being was experiencing my body like an avatar, using my five physical senses as the method by which I was experiencing all of this surrounding me. I could sense everything around me in every 3D detail - I felt like a game piece in an elaborate roll playing game - I was like Neo in the Matrix. I was dramatically experiencing everything with all five of my senses, and I knew it - and just who was it that knew it, who was it that knew that I was experiencing this? I was awareness-consciousness in a body. It really was quite the infinite moment – all of infinity in this moment of time – very intense.

After the sun had set and the sky was all orange and pink, I walked back to the house after a brief walk around the yard and I said to myself, "That was a great moment of nothingness and everythingness at the same moment." I knew then that I had just experienced something way beyond my physical sense – yet I was aware of the physical sense, but not as who I was or who I am, but as an experience I was in.