Posted by Omniverse
(here)
Of course these are just my views and I'm not saying every christian, Muslim, or Jewish person(the religion) is an idiot, or somehow bad. We all hold varying delusions IMHO.
Anyway in setting up this discussion so it does not result in flames(or trying to prevent them) I will say this:
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We are not our opinions or beliefs, we just hold them." Differing in opinions should not be so offensive optimally. After all, they do not define us as human beings. I am only pointing out my subjective views here, and wouldn't care so much if they did not distort reality and create wars etc. I just feel this topic should be spoken of.
These are some of my views on Abrahamic religions(mainly Christianity and Islam).
I'll start with words of wisdom from Jake, a mod here:
Posted by Jake
God is an
angry god; god is a
judgmental god, god is a
jealous god, god is a
spiteful god, god is a
vengeful god, ,,, (Jesus taught that
these things were[are] sinful)
This is why I will not worship the 'god' that is presented in the bible,,,
I'm not sure i would even let someone like this in my house.
I totally agree!! I would not let this being into my house either!!
Now with some of my own words.
Supposedly there is a system of punishment/reward with the all knowing creator of everything. And in a short, tiny lifetime full of confusions and illusions and conflicting information everywhere and TONS of Satan and his demons around causing a mess, we will be judged and sent to a never ending heaven or hell. This isn't even as an act of karma, or even based on deserving anything like that, but really who really deserves to suffer forever......
The most loving, bright, altruistic, helper of the world can be cast to suffer for an eternity, just for not believing in Jesus
being their overlord. If that is not the
ultimate fear monger to gather followers for a cult I don't know what is.
If someone came along today and said you had to believe in their cult and accept their prophet as your lord, or you will suffer forEVER after you die, we'd all practically see it as total garbage and total manipulation.
There is another cult that exists nowadays that uses the same tactics. Ashayana Deane(sp) and Keylontic sciences(respectively to her, I do not think she is stupid just manipulated personally). Cults have been doing this forever, and they are a shame and hazard to mankind. Is Ashayana Deane's cult following, fallen angels are everywhere poisoning us and implanting us, and ONLY her, can save you, but you have to pay her thousands of dollars to be saved
All the old methods you paid for in this cult, become outdated and no longer work! You have to buy the new ones!!!! The cults on this planet are PLAGUES imo! (no disrespect to the people who follow Ashayana(ap).
Is there a more clear tactic to maintain your followers then to say
if you do not believe it you will suffer forever? I've seen plenty of people say they have thought a lot about ditching Christianity but due to not wanting to go to hell,
just to be safe they will stick to it. What I say to that? If God is anywhere near enlightened, he'll understand...
To be clear I think Jesus(that wasn't his name, there was no J back then..........) may have been quite a helluva guy. I relate with him because I have been persecuted in ways similar to anyone bringing truth to the world in a way that is new is. I'm not saying I'm anywhere near the same level as him, or saying I'm a prophet. But I do walk a similar path to what I think he did if he existed and presented the truth to humans(NOT the bible) in terms of ridicule, attacks, and in general lack of decency in humans who react indecently to my claims.
Humans + Truth = Bad combination sometimes.
If Jesus wanted to start a religion I think he would have...
Also to be clear, I am not dissing the idea of God existing. And I respect Christians, Muslims, and Jewish people as human beings. They can be stupid, or brilliant just like anyone else.
What I am saying, is for the God to be real that the bible and other sources say, he/she/it would have to be the biggest psychopath/sociopath possible(quite literally the biggest POSSIBLE), and the biggest monolithic source of suffering that is beyond the imaginations of us by a practically infinite amount. What Hitler did is childsplay compared to this God... Creating a practically infinite amount of suffering does not go well by me(not conting just creating the universe as it's fine in that case).
To send a humble and caring individual to a never ending hellfire of suffering
just for not believing in you when they had absolutely
no solid evidence you exist because you didn't provide it at all(for faith is why they say that is lol), is psychopathic. And on levels far
beyond any psychopath I've ever seen on earth.
While this humble and kind person suffers for eternity, murderers and rapists who believe in Jesus get a free pass to heaven!!! So basically a guy like the Dalai Lama, kind, caring, intelligent, altruistic, and wise = hell.
"My religion is very simple. My religion is kindness."
- The Dalai Lama
A guy like Hitler(theoretically that bad, as supposedly suicide gets you hellfire or something)? He could convert to Jesus before he died, and get to goto heaven and kick it with the people he had executed.
In Islam martyrs get like 72 virgins!!! So basically in that religion God has made countless women
sex slaves. Forcing 72 women to have sex with a man however many times is psychopathic, to a large degree. If a human did that on earth in any reasonable society with the more reasonable laws it has, they would be sentenced to prison. So basically in Islam God is the
biggest pimp in existence.
Supposedly God made 2 humans. Adam and Eve(which may very well hold very significant metaphorical meaning). Now my understanding of this part is iffy as I am no extreme bible scholar. But so we were given paradise, but told
not to eat apples(how ABSURD). And for eating an apple, man was given original sin??? Or did Adam and Eve have it already?
If God is all knowing, he would
know how he made Adam's soul and character, to be too curious, or too uncontrollable or couldn't follow orders, that he will eat that
apple. Free will doesn't mean you are not predictable in what your traits are. No Christian says God doesn't know things. they say he is all knowing. So he dam well knows Adam is going to eat that apple.
He's just watching constantly waiting for it to happen as if he's watching a screwy reality TV show.
IMO it really is a disgrace to humanity that people believe for
one man eating an apple, a whole world was cast into this confused, dysfunctional, undeveloped, prison planet and are sinners.
Adding more to the psychopathy, God made a son. But as a supposedly loving God, he makes this son go to planet earth and get persecuted, ostracized, ridiculed, severely tortured, and die..... To "save us", when he could have just saved us without that ridiculous event. This is on the level of Manson or Hostel(the movie) type behavior........ It gets worse....
How about this angle. The universe is HUGGGGGGGGGGE. Too big for any of our imaginations to imagine even remotely 0.0000000001% of it... We can't even imagine what an apple is in full. We can't even imagine what a PEA is in full or a drop of water. Anyway my point here is, there have got to be trillions of planets with this concept of 'sinners'. So basically in this model if consistent, Jesus would be cast down to every planet that has original sin, to get tortured and die for each planet to save them, when God could just save them without any torturing and dying by his "son". Is this not one of the most
deranged and distorted things you have ever heard(well maybe not):
Creating a son and making him get tortured and die on trillions+ of planets, trillions of times over and over? That sounds like being cast down to hell to me. That sounds like suffering for en eternity to me.
This is absolutely psychopathy on levels no human can dream of doing.
Throw in how dysfunctional and crazy humanity is, so his creations, as far as we know if not using any logic or thought of other worlds, his creations are chaotic, disease infested, injustice filled, corrupted in many ways balls flying through space filled with beings so confused no one of them understands reality the same way....
This quote rings a bell to me but I can see how some would see it as wrong, and I can see ways it's wrong. But it does strike a chord with me regardless and exemplifies my point I just made quite nicely:
"I don't know if God exists, but it would be better for His reputation if He didn't." ~Jules Renard
Let Jesus's name be a telltale sign maybe... The name Jesus is impossible to exist back then. There was no J back then.
They couldn't even get his name right, do you really trust them to get his teachings right????? That right there is solid evidence the whole thing is a sham, after all,
they can't even tell you his name! I think they made his name Jesus to mathematically align with the name Satan. Jesus is like Santa IMO. Something you are told since a child, and since you had no discernment, and fully trusted your parents, you believed it until other people told you it wasn't real(maybe) and you asked your parents and they finally said he doesn't exist. We live in a total dreamworld!!!! Jesus = Santa except never told he's not real. Interesting if you change a couple letters around and Santa becomes Satan. Just a random fact...
It's no coincidence that if you are born in different parts of the world, your religion is predictable.
People are brainwashed since birth to accept these lies! It's obvious brainwashing is involved to anyone.......... So basically God sends people to hell
for being born in the wrong area of the world... Really? How is that not a total psychopath?
Anyway, I have not yet looked into many eastern religions much, but I hear of one that is infinitely wiser than anything I've heard in the bible, because all the wise stuff in the bible I knew in my heart anyway. This is, that part of living on earth and being a human, is becoming
disillusioned, that is part of our development. I suggest Abrahamic religion are huge illusions humanity will have to overcome...
I predict Taoism, and Buddhism will far outlive Christianity, Islam, and Judaism by many thousands of percents.... Just a random prediction if this is read in a few thousand years after science has irrefutably shown this stuff as false.
There are a billion times more illusions than truths. There is only one way to be right(with non subjective things), there are TONS of ways to be wrong... If you see how many different views there are, we have way more illusions in our beliefs than not in areas unproven. So this is absolute wisdom. Why is it not in the bible? God didn't think it's worthwhile???
Also, the east(not counting Islam), is not so opposed to ETs. Like for example the Dalai Lama says there are 3 types of beings in the universe.
Basically us, physical incarnated beings.
Inter-dimensional beings with energetic bodies(maybe orbs?).
And Simply consciousnesses that roam around(if i interpreted him right, I may not have).
Anyway, those are my thoughts on the delusions of grandeur of religion. I am not saying the bible is useless. However I simply reject that the creator of all things is a ridiculously HUGE psychopath, that if he lived on earth and carried the same traits would end up being executed for his psychopathic traits.
Hitler is a carebear compared to the Christian and Muslim God! And nobody can deny that reasonably!!!!
Note: I have not looked into Judaism too much, so forgive me if that preaching does not show a psychopath. I bet it does though
The Abrahamic God is a Total Psychopath
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