The Urantia Book

[NancyV]

Posted by Teresa (here)
I haven’t read the Urantia book but it is mentioned in the WingMakers material here : http://wingmakers.com/. (Creator Q&A Session 2, Q.23)

The WingMakers and Lyricus sites are beautiful and very interesting - there is a (2008) Camelot interview with James, the creator of WingMakers :
http://projectcamelot.org/james_wing..._integral.html

I have to say I’ve become a bit obsessed with WingMakers since recently discovering it and have wondered why there’s been no discussion of the material, on here. I assume it’s because I’m a newbie and older members have long since discovered and discussed it.

I know this is supposed to be a discussion on the Urantia book, but I’d love to know what others think of the Wingmaker material also. (As I’m new I’m unable to start a thread on it myself).

I loved the Wingmaker material and read every poem, listened to all the music and read everything on the site 2-3 years ago. Whether any of it is true or not is irrelevant. It's a beautiful story with wonderful music, art and poetry.

Nancy

[oceanz]

I'm sure I stumbled across something about the Urantia Book and a family member of the infamous Kelloggs family.

He dictated alot of the book whilst in a sleep/trance even though the kelloggs family are a prominent member of The Seven Day Adventists.

Think, I'll go try and find where I read this...

[ktlight]

I bought the book in the first place because I had met someone from USA who told me about it, but he could not say much because discussion was not allowed. Reading it was like reading the bible or other deeply religious book. I was never converted to it although I found it interersting reading.

I have never got around to reading the first part which is about Calligula. Another part describes jesus the man. Another describes the birth of our solar system and mankind.

I have just come across this:

What is the relationship between The Urantia Brotherhood and the Skull & Bones society? Kellogg’s family members were involved with both.

You can do a Google on ‘ "Skull and Bones" Kellogg' just as easily as anyone to decide what's meaningful to you. As someone actively involved with the teachings of The Urantia Book for nearly 35 years now and as someone who's been moderately active in Urantia organizations and study groups for about 25 of those years this is the first time I've heard of any association, but sure enough, it's there on the internet so it warrants some manner of a reply.

Your question brings up several points though — why the secrecy about who the sleeping subject was. Could he have been a child molester? Or a Jew? Or a Negro? Or did he belong to the Knights of Columbus? The Screen Actors Guild? Did he have 6 toes? Was he left handed? You see, we don't know any of these things because we don't know who he, (or maybe she?), was. Was there really a sleeping subject at all, since perhaps this, too, may have been another fabrication? This is a good reason for not divulging who the "sleeping subject" actually was, because if he/she was human then they had human shortcomings as well.

Were the Kelloggs and the Sadlers alcoholics? Did they gamble? Did they hoard pornography? Did they experiment on animals? Is there a CIA interest in TUB? Courtney Brown's book "Cosmic Voyage," published in the early 1990s claimed that the CIA had an interest in The Urantia Book because through remote viewing they'd discovered the existence of midwayers, which were only described in The Urantia Book. One could invest a lifetime tracking down all the sideline events. Is remote viewing reliable? How about the Ouija Board? Which conspiracy theory is real?

Concern for any of these speculations presupposes that what they or the sleeping subject did in their private lives had some bearing on the content and text of The Urantia Book. If you're inclined to believe that the book is a hoax then all manner of conspiracy theories can come into play. That's a great way to keep from engaging the revelation on a personal level — the only meaningful connection in the whole scenario. Sleeping subject, Dr. William Sadler, Wilfred Kellogg, the Forum, Urantia Foundation, Urantia Brotherhood — these are all incidental distractions that can keep one from personally engaging the content of this most extraordinary book.

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

I liked part of that last sentence from the text quoted by you

(...)these are all incidental distractions that can keep one from personally engaging the content of this most extraordinary book

First part is about First Source and Center. It was in the third part And it was Caligastia not Caligula. Caligula become Roman Emperor seven years after Jesus's crucifiction. 37 A.D.
Please forgive me...I could not resist to comment

[ktlight]

Thanks, RN. I stand and accept correction. I have opened its pages for a number of years.

The writing style, essence, draws a person in and almost captures attention. It was like reading the bible.

[SpookyMulder]

The Urantia Book, first published by Urantia Foundation in 1955, claims to have been presented by celestial beings as a revelation to our planet, Urantia.

The writings in The Urantia Book instruct us on the genesis, history, and destiny of humanity and on our relationship with God the Father. They present a unique and compelling portrayal of the life and teachings of Jesus. They open new vistas of time and eternity to the human spirit, and offer new details of our ascending adventure in a friendly and carefully administered universe.

The Urantia Book offers a clear and concise integration of science, philosophy, and religion. Those who read and study it believe that The Urantia Book has the capacity to make a significant contribution to the religious and philosophical thinking of people worldwide.

The Urantia Book is not a "religion" per se. It builds upon the religious heritages of the past and present, encouraging a personal, living religious faith.

It is what it is, a book. I am not promoting anything in here so please don't shoot the messenger.
This is still an interesting story and can help some people with their research of faith.

I hope you enjoy.

Love and light

SM

http://www.urantia.org/en

[ktlight]

Was Jesus described as a socialist in Urantia? I seem to recall that was the case, and portrayed as a brilliantly fair trader.

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Posted by ktlight (here)
Was Jesus described as a socialist in Urantia? I seem to recall that was the case, and portrayed as a brilliantly fair trader.

This may be of some help:
Paper 132 Sojourn at Rome: 5. Counseling the Rich Man

BTW we have TUB thread on Avalon already
here

[SpookyMulder]

I am sorry if the subject has already been discussed previously, I should have checked before posting.

I shall be wiser next time and make sure not to double existing threads.

Love and light

[sunflower]

Don't apologize, Spooky. For those who missed it last time around they have another opportunity to take a look at it. Lots of topics have gone thru the revolving door since the beginning of the forum. I am thinking right now of the Voynich Manuscript. Three times at least and the last time bonanza! new information available.

[58andfixed]

Hi SpookyMulder:

Over 2,000 pages!

Have you read the whole thing ?

What do you make of it ?

I see some MP3's on the download link at the URL. Will grab the intro to have a listen.

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Edit addition:

Is the Urantia 'Book' and Urantia 'Papers' the same thing, or are they different ?

I dug up something that's supposed to be the History of the Urantia Papers.

http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/a-hi...ins/1022931931



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[KosmicKat]

Something I was shown today, and which I think deserves consideration:

... Concerning the accumulated fetish writings which various religionists hold as sacred books, it is not only believed that what is in the book is true, but also that every truth is contained in the book.

P.969 - §5

Of course, the reader has to apply this to the Urantia Book as readily as any other "sacred" book (and not let it become a "fetish" text).

[Elixer]

I think the Urantia Book is straight from pens of the freemasonic eugenisist intellectual elitists.
It promotes the idea that government should be in charge of who gets to procreate.
The crazies and the criminals should not be allowed to breed.
It promotes ideas of evolution, man's violent animal past. In fact it says that nature is bellicose, violent. It is in man's very nature to make war.
I disagree of course.

In this post I take a very one sided view of the entire book and quote selectively, while realizing that there are a lot of interesting and good things throughout as well. Disinfo though has 80% truth in order to be plausible.
I don't mean to offend, but neither does this book and yet it does offend me.

"War is the natural state and heritage of evolving man".
"Violence is the law of nature. Hostility the automatic reaction of the children of nature, while war is but these same activities carried on collectively."
Really???

The cosmic insights given throughout this book are very very very human in nature. They think democracy is the best form of government and that the three branches are the ideal way to go.
That is so america-centric or earth-centric. I cannot believe that this is the standard throughout the universe. If that's the case then the whole universe I think is in trouble.

The endless and exhaustive lists in this book seem to either strongly cater to the human need to have things succinctly organised, which more often then not is a bit of an illusion, or the 'melchizedeks' that wrote it are themselves so human and intellectual in their ways of thinking that it is questionable whether they can even be considered higher intelligences.

The book is very deceptive in that it pretends to bring an elightened perspective to mankind, while only marginally straying from what we already have here.
I am very surprised to see that there are so few critical reactions to this book.
Maybe I am just paranoid, but when I read this book (and I've read about 500 pages of it), I start feeling very annoyed and manipulated.
The language is beautiful which makes every statement seem like a gem of wisdom, while it is actually stating the most horrendous things. It would pass you right by if you don't read it critically.
The fact that no one has claimed ownership of this book together with how big it is and relatively well known also could suggest that some powerful organisation is behind spreading this word.

It seems to promote almost exclusively a christian type of religion, as if Jesus was the only great being to ever walk this earth.
It states that the Roman empire did not fall because it overextended itself, but because its people lost their moral values and started having sex with anybody.
It states that the Native Americans were too primitive to have anything like a real society.

Promoting war, civilisation, progress, democracy, the rule of law, complete with a system of judges and lawyers, it seems obvious to me that this book was written by men who have an angenda to propagate and are trying to reach the potentially disillusioned new-age hippy truth seekers before they stray too far from the fold.
A method of control, much like religions and the new age movement, which was largely spearheaded or co opted by CIA or other such intelligence agencies.

a few quotes:

One section ends with:
"Only love, brotherhood, can prevent the strong from oppressing the weak".
Then the next section (entitled "The evolution of completion" )starts off by stating
"Competition is essential to social progress."
Doublethink anyone?

from History of Urantia / Dawn of civilization (page 771)
"From a world standpoint overpopulation has never been a serious problem in the past, but if war is lessened and science increasingly controls human diseases, it may become as serious problem in the future.
At such a time the great test of the wisdom of bworld leadership will present itself.
Will Urantia rulers have the insight and courage to foster the multiplication of the average or stabilzed human being instead of the extremese of suernormal and the enourmously increasing grous of the subnormal?
The normal man should be fostered; he is the backbone of civilization and the source of the mutant geniuses of the race. The subnormal man should be kept under society's control; no more should be produced than are required to administer the lower levels of industry, those tasks requiring intelligence above the animal level but making such low grade demands as to prove veritable slavery and bondage for the higher types of mankind."
This promotes science, eugenics, world government, slavery and caste systems.
(I actually found this qoute quite quickly, while looking for something that would bring my points home).

Annoying as it is to read it, I will continue to do so while I defacate. Yes, it is my toilet book and should I run out of toilet paper, I will not hesitate to put its pages to a more practical use.

[realitycorrodes]

Beware of anything that claims a patent on a name. e.g. the "Jesus" brand name! It is not rocket science. A rose by any other name would be just as beautiful. Trading by a patented name is "NOT UNIVERSAL" and I guess it would not be genuinely spiritual either....but then what is spirituality? Except a code word for "mental slavery"? All I know is that I know nothing!

[KosmicKat]

Posted by Elixer (here)
I think the Urantia Book is straight from pens of the freemasonic eugenisist intellectual elitists.

It is certainly easier to believe than the story of how the papers were materialized over a period of nearly fifty years. I am torn between the suggestion that the papers were concocted by human hand, and the notion that Dr.Sadler, who put quite a bit of effort into debunking practices like spiritualism and had a reputation as an academic to consider, would risk his credentials by letting it be known that he was associated with something so ... outlandish.

Posted by Elixer (here)
It is in man's very nature to make war.
I disagree of course.

I hope you are right. But examining my own nature does little to encourage me.

Posted by Elixer (here)
That is so america-centric or earth-centric. I cannot believe that this is the standard throughout the universe. If that's the case then the whole universe I think is in trouble.

Or looking at it from another point of view, America was begun with the best of intent and faith in the essential goodness of human nature, but has long since gone off the rails!

Posted by Elixer (here)
The fact that no one has claimed ownership of this book together with how big it is and relatively well known also could suggest that some powerful organisation is behind spreading this word.

The Urantia Foundation has laid claim to the copyright to the book, and claims to be the custodian of the inviolate text; difficult to disprove, since the original papers were destroyed after the first printing.

Posted by Elixer (here)
One section ends with:
"Only love, brotherhood, can prevent the strong from oppressing the weak".
Then the next section (entitled "The evolution of completion" )starts off by stating
"Competition is essential to social progress."
Doublethink anyone?

Having grown up in a Christian Scientist family, I find doublethink tends to be a habit, and have to maintain a constant vigilance against it. I do make a distinction, though, between oppression and competition. Oppression, at its most extreme, is the stamping out of all competition.

Posted by Elixer (here)
Yes, it is my toilet book ...

And what do you read while you are eating?

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Hi

Elixer, I was disturbed by TUB messages just like you when I took my time to read TUB. I tried to use every possible moment to read it. Yes, moments as described by your last sentence included TUB is about spiritual growth and human struggle to attain this growth. This struggle includes wars as societies clash with each other due to scarcity. This is our undeniable heritage. And it is just one of many steps out of our physicality. It meant to be less violent. But things gone not right and this "L" guy betrayed us and started to teach us to prefer darkness instead of Light. If not this "accident" we would have Heaven on Earth long ago. According to TUB we are thousands of years behind typical schedule intended for our type of planet. We are (I hope) in final stage of cleaning our own mess

Spiritual is something above physical. If we as humanity are to grow spiritually as ONE we have to discard of all physical vices. This subhumanship is meant in spiritual sense. These are people who are literary addicted to others helping them. This is veritable slavery. This are people who are not capable of Love. In my country are jobless people who will try to live on benefits for as long as possible. They rather prefer to live on benefits of less value than go to work and earn more money. Or people who are physically capable of earning money while making something for others but prefer to go out and beg. They spend taht money on things like booze or drugs. I know that money does not actually exists and are just means of exchanging our scarce energy. It is not about physical appearance or some disability of an individual. It is about heart. One form of "spiritual eugenics" is legalization of abortion (extreme one) or use of contraceptives. Spiritual people will never choose it. While physical people will happily go for it. Nobody forces them. They exercise their own free will. This conscious choice naturally makes less of their kind. They will do it themselves. It is about creating such conditions that spiritual subhumans will choose by themselves certain actions guarantying their childless demise or encourage their spiritual growth and becoming conscious and loving parents.
No need for any form of special "breading permissions". I admit that this picture is two color and maybe oversimplified. But I just wanted to explain what is meant by subhuman by TUB. It is not about race. It is about Love.

I have nothing against global government... but it has to be government of all people not just selected few. The concept of borders or countries is behind of our time...

By spirituality I mean capability to love unconditionally... Yes, how do it stand to the test of loving unconditionally a subhuman not capable to love...

[Dawn]

from History of Urantia / Dawn of civilization (page 771)
"From a world standpoint overpopulation has never been a serious problem in the past, but if war is lessened and science increasingly controls human diseases, it may become as serious problem in the future.
At such a time the great test of the wisdom of bworld leadership will present itself.
Will Urantia rulers have the insight and courage to foster the multiplication of the average or stabilzed human being instead of the extremese of suernormal and the enourmously increasing grous of the subnormal?
The normal man should be fostered; he is the backbone of civilization and the source of the mutant geniuses of the race. The subnormal man should be kept under society's control; no more should be produced than are required to administer the lower levels of industry, those tasks requiring intelligence above the animal level but making such low grade demands as to prove veritable slavery and bondage for the higher types of mankind."
This promotes science, eugenics, world government, slavery and caste systems.

It is so refreshing to read your post! Have you noticed that disinformation intended to condition our subconscious mind is always sweetened with a wrapping of truth. It seems to me that we are so hungry for truth that we will relish every little bit and pass it along to our friends... almost like truth is a drug which relaxes us to the point that the lies can get in without censorship. I read EVERYTHING with my critical awareness on. It seems to me that almost everything we read is designed to create in us a sense of shame, and disapproval of who and what we are. And there is probably nothing as dis-empowering as shame. I mean, if we are murderous savages, bent on killing and maiming in our deepest nature then what is the point of having a human experience?

Perhaps the internal feeling of worthlessness carefully fed and nurtured by almost every institution, book, and movie, is at the root of our victim consciousness which allows the powers-that-be to remain in a ruling role. If we are worthless, over-breeding, earth defiling, competitive consumers, then we definitely need rulers, outside gods, and a structured society ready to punish us when our true underlying nature erupts.

It took me YEARS of meditation, and intense consciousness raising work to begin to be able to see through this. And .... I still miss a lot of it.

Discrimination is a muscle that must be built up with constant attention and focus.

[Elixer]

Good to hear that I am not the only one. Great comments. Thanks.
It's encouraging to the point that I might post some more on the subject (once I've read some more).

I find that with many speakers out there as well as with these types of books, it helps to entertain multiple perspectives on it.
I look at David Wilcock for instance and can see him as a wise man making a wonderful effort to educate us, to help us see the greatness of mankind. At the same time I can also look at him as being a pure disinfo agent soothing the alternative masses with messages of hope and a better tomorrow.
Dan Winter (I love this guy). He's either a mad-scientist or an outright genius.
That is how I read the Urantia book as well. I try to see the good, but am also watching out for the bad.

[58andfixed]

It seems to me it would be a good idea to read this like it should NOT be believed.

THEN, if after a complete read, a discernment or notion reveals otherwise, it will have validated itself on its own contents, and not due to it's stark cover.

I must vet the contents on the coherency & harmony of it.

I would want to do this in isolation of influence of anyone else.

Until I read it completely, I cannot offer any conclusion to its believability.

I'm too biased to mislead myself, based on my past experiences.

This said, this is one intriguing read.

Thank goodness for Audio MP3's.

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[hardrock]

Hi everyone,

I'm in the middle of reading the book of Urantia. Quite interesting and some things are compelling. I have NOT researched much of any of the legitimacy behind it yet. I do know that channeled material requires great discern ability.


It is very evolution-centric. I have always thought evolution plays a part in our historical past, but it doesn't quite explain the drastic metamorphic changes. This book seems to play it off as a natural occurance.

It also blows off ghosts as ignorant fear mongering religion, but not sure what to make of that either.

It also does a strong play toward telling the story of The old and new testament of the bible, which I find intriguing, but makes me question why it delves so deeply into it.

I still have a ways to go to finish it.


Have any of you read it and what are your thoughts on the material?

http://www.urantia.org/urantia-book/...t-urantia-book