Here and Now...What's Happening?

[Carmody]

Posted by PurpleLama (here)
One who has the courage to fight the demons of ego and self in truth tend to become very grateful to have others come along and help shine light on what we have trouble seeing in ourselves. That's what I mean by eating the poo sandwich. My pet term for shadow work, if you will. We are seeing a medicine woman helping one she herself sees as having the potential of having the real love and light shine through. Yucky vegetables kids hate to eat are the same foods that give the most health and vitality and medicine that tastes like sh!t makes you well again. Calz and eagle were my first "friends" on this website, and I see some of what she sees in calz, so I see where she's coming from. I hope, when emotions are smoother, he'll go back over her posts and extract what I did. I found much of what was said to be helpful, and really that goes for all participants. "and when die and they lay me to rest, I'm goin to the place that's the best"

Hey, dead "PurpleLama"! *waves*

Here and now, wondering if the life review will contain interactions on avalon.

I can't explain, but when carmody played dragging the line, it's like this was the next song on the station.

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmOY97g-RWc

There is a reason it was the next song on the station.

you got it exactly right.

That is due to the 'great book of misheard lyrics'.

when I first heard the song 'draggin' the line'..i thought I heard "hitchin' a ride"..and i never bothered to investigate the rest of the lyrics. so..tree huggers, sun, rain, snow, all good, bummin' around the world.

Hippies. Those damned Hippies.

And when Nora spoke of the thoughts by natives... regarding 'don't look into the light'... it made me think of that tune..with the misheard lyrics.

As if those damn hippies had incarnated here so they could take a ride. basically.. crowding out the natives and overpacking the planet....to come here for some grand finale form of a 'into the sky' version of a Dead concert.

The next thought was that they could wear one of those shirts from the "Restaurant at the end of the Universe', (Douglas Adams book) similar to the concert t-shirts from 'Disaster Area', which used the power of a sun and flipped continents over at crescendos. They said "I survived the 'Disaster Area' concert on Signus XXI" or whatever. Except they could wear T-shirts saying 'I wuz on Earth when they Blew sh!t up". Just like some damn hippie with life stories about their acid trips and all that Patchouli..

So..to get the T-shirt, they had to crowd the planet and then die when things went poofy.

Just a bit of humour...... but that is what I was thinking when I posted the song. They would then go to that 'spirit in the sky'.

[Carmody]

Posted by Nora (here)

One who has the courage to fight the demons of ego and self in truth tend to become very grateful to have others come along and help shine light on what we have trouble seeing in ourselves. That's what I mean by eating the poo sandwich. My pet term for shadow work, if you will. We are seeing a medicine woman helping one she herself sees as having the potential of having the real love and light shine through. Yucky vegetables kids hate to eat are the same foods that give the most health and vitality and medicine that tastes like sh!t makes you well again.

That was awesome PL


1inMany

The Here and Now thread is a good place to start. And there isn't any test we have to pass.

I studied Tibetan and Zen Buddhism and various martial arts for a lot of years. My relationship with the Native people turned mostly into me realizing that I had to get my own brain out of the way and do a lot of ego work.... this is where I started and have been able to integrate within myself and really start going within. Still working on it. The people on the forum and this thread have helped me immensely in a variety of ways. Also, a lot of Native people do not have the concept of "how" or "why" -in other words nothing is outside of self. Everything is within.

Am going through the Lithium thread and having a lot of fun with it. Now that is cool. It's in the league in my opinion of spending time with a Native American Elder, really.


Love

Nora

we are all related

One of my closest friends from age 10 to 20..was Ojibway-Cree. Apparently (from my bits of reading)...the most potent shamen of North America.

[benevolentcrow]

Posted by ulli (here)
@ 9eagle
When I was an active Baha'i we were always talking and hearing about system change...that there was no hope for the world under the present corrupt system.
When I was with the various Gurdjieff groups we were talking and hearing about changing the self, first via self observation, self knowledge, and gradually pushing ourselves to our limits with various physical, emotional and intellectual exercises.
My question was always which of the two paths was the better path changing the world, or changing the self, and I had to concede there was not only one way...but many.
My hope was that all these different paths would one day converge in a vanishing "zero" point of Oneness.
The main thing was that people would be free to chose their own direction and calling. Unfettered by hecklers, disruption, oppression.
In both systems the thing that tripped up the wanderers most was the appearance of self appointed challengers, and not everyone remained steadfast after running into them.

Today I had an emotional run-in with you 9eagle, because your reaction to that sad photo prompted you to do what I considered to be a wild rant...
something I am not very partial to. I herewith apologize for possibly having made matters worse with my own response.
I would now like you to hear my position, and also invite that of others, who might have felt equally uncomfortable as I did.

Each person needs space and air to breathe if they want to make their contribution in life, and that it is that which I am upholding as anyone's given right.
Their equilibrium takes a beating each time someone hammers at them for not doing their part.
Nothing will ever be achieved as long as there are people who don't see that such behavior serves no one.

Acts of desperation cannot stir a ship through a storm, on the contrary, they unsettle the entire journey.
I appeal to you, 9eagle, to go back to where you were yesterday, when you shared with the rest of us your own Here and Now.
Today I felt the whole village was being attacked for not being out there in Africa and dealing with the issues of starvation.
When I posted my response about not knowing where to send sympathy, you (the ranter) or the children of Africa who have no food.
I meant it then and I mean it now.
Rants are confusing to all, and useless. Please refrain from doing this again.
If you wish to see real change then please lets talk about the many forms this can be brought about.
This thread is not called Here and Now for nothing.
We need practical approaches, starting out from where we are, Here and Now.

Thank you for this post. I felt an uneasy, queasy feeling (like here we go again) from circlings overhead. A little bit of bird droppings fell on the Village today. This is our happy sharing place... hope we can keep it clean!

[Samsara]

Posted by ulli (here)

Here is a translation someone put in the comments section:

O God, Who art aware of the secrets of my heart,
thou art my Friend at the break of every dawn,
thou art aware of all my pain and sorrows.
A soul that is engaged in your glorification,
seeks no secrets but Thine long suffering.
The eye that is not crying out to you must be blind.
Don’t look at our doings, nay rather look at your greatness and generosity.
Grant thou new wings to this broken-wing bird.

Thank you Ulli, this is beautiful (as is the song).

Back in 2001 a group of 6 young Bahai girls stayed at my farm house for a couple of days. A woman I knew was looking for housing for these girls, she was housing the boys. They were part of a troup going around the world giving performances here and there. They sang, danced, acted... I remember it to be very nice. One of the young girls left me a beautiful note drawn by hand with this prayer:

"From the sweet-scented streams of Thine eternity, give me to drink O my God, and of the fruits of the tree of Thy being enable me to taste, O my hope! From the crystal springs of Thy Love suffer me to quaff, O my glory, and beneath the shadow of Thine everlasting providence, let me abide, O my Light! To the melodies of the dove of Thy Oneness suffer me to hearken, O Resplendent One, and through the Spirit of Thy power and Thy might quicken me, O my provider!"

I kept it in my treasure box.

[1inMany]

Here and Now...my back hurts. It's like that one lady said in Dreambus, there is a part of me that never grows older...I am, I suppose. But, this danged body isn't keeping up with my I am. Worked as hard as I could today for as long as I could, not feeling my best physically, but surprised as every hour went by that somehow I had the energy to keep going. It came from somewhere...I am grateful for it. I see the evidence of time speeding up as well. When I get ready to take a nice, long nap...it's bedtime lol...my naps went from 11:00 to 2:00 and now they could easily be at 5:00, I just make myself stay up because it's so close to bedtime. Several more hours to go...

Much Love,

[ulli]

Posted by Samsara (here)

Posted by ulli (here)

Here is a translation someone put in the comments section:

O God, Who art aware of the secrets of my heart,
thou art my Friend at the break of every dawn,
thou art aware of all my pain and sorrows.
A soul that is engaged in your glorification,
seeks no secrets but Thine long suffering.
The eye that is not crying out to you must be blind.
Don’t look at our doings, nay rather look at your greatness and generosity.
Grant thou new wings to this broken-wing bird.

Thank you Ulli, this is beautiful (as is the song).

Back in 2001 a group of 6 young Bahai girls stayed at my farm house for a couple of days. A woman I knew was looking for housing for these girls, she was housing the boys. They were part of a troup going around the world giving performances here and there. They sang, danced, acted... I remember it to be very nice. One of the young girls left me a beautiful note drawn by hand with this prayer:

"From the sweet-scented streams of Thine eternity, give me to drink O my God, and of the fruits of the tree of Thy being enable me to taste, O my hope! From the crystal springs of Thy Love suffer me to quaff, O my glory, and beneath the shadow of Thine everlasting providence, let me abide, O my Light! To the melodies of the dove of Thy Oneness suffer me to hearken, O Resplendent One, and through the Spirit of Thy power and Thy might quicken me, O my provider!"

I kept it in my treasure box.

I knew those kids. Were they traveling with Mary Powers?
By the way, "From the sweet-scented streams of Thine eternity" was always my favorite prayer and I have it memorized.

P.S.Treasure Box used to be the name of my old shop in Barbados.

[starsha]

Posted by Lisab (here)
Just been looking at Snowbird's are you a Pleadian Starseed video? I answered yes to virtually every question. What is it about the Pleadians that I find so drawn too? Ponder,ponder. I know alot of people here feel the same.

Hello everyone,

could someone send me a link to this video? I am very drawn to this also.

PS. sorry for jumping in off topic and out of the blue. I always get so far behind on this thread.

[Nora]

One of my closest friends from age 10 to 20..was Ojibway-Cree. Apparently (from my bits of reading)...the most potent shamen of North America.

I'm not surprised in the least. I definitely sense a presence of an elder.....

When reading through the lithium threadd, I'll have thoughts of; this sounds like....something a traditionalist would say or feels like.... and some of it is very familiar to me or I've had this experience...... It has connected a few of the dots for me as well.

I'll admit had to look up a few of the scientific words so I could make it come together better for me.

Love

Nora

we are all related

[modwiz]

9eagle9 ya know I loves ya. I hope you do. Somewhere, a dead horse is being beaten. With your love of horses you would be the perfect person to stop this abuse. You are a brilliant mind and spirit, but I am close to getting some:

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9WTlP08LEg

[9eagle9]

You grant me far too much power, I can't deny some one's space.

Manage me here, Uli, which one will it be? Shall I hold space where its easier for people to demean themselves and not see themselves for what they really are? Or should I hold a space where its not very comfortable for others to demean themselves? If we create space where we demean ourselves something is all too willing to come in there and begin demeaning and managing for us.

If you want to manage me you will have to listen my requests. Can I have a space and air to breathe where I'm not in a space where people are constantly demeaning themselves. "I'm only a Libra, My Life path number is only a four, I'm weak, I'm not spiritually advanced, I have to mock myself, I'm a retard.,'m not you"

Can I have a space where someone says "I'm magnificent in my infinity" ONLY so I can say, Yes you are. I don't get a whole lot of opportunies to make those sorts of agreeable agreements.

It's easy to hold a nice easy comfortable space.

What happens when we are required to hold a space that's like a bag of ill tempered weasels?

The Great Light wave . We know it's coming. It's coming to take up space. It didn't say once it got here it would prepare us for it's arrival no more than a solar flare phones ahead to make sure you're ready for it. Our part of the agreement is to create a space for it. We get a headache from solar flare activity, quit resisting it. Pain is the result of resistance. If you can make the solar flares stop, I'm watching your back as you do so.

That is where my focus lies, in holding a space for what effects us all. Because we all in the same space at the end of the day.

Humanity has this peculiar arrogance that the universe's sole focus is on them, how they feel, what their challenges are. How we feel. Everything out thing out there is worried about our feelings. We used to think we were the only thing in the universe that mattered to God and God's only obsession was how we felt. We thought we WERE the only game in the universe. Then we discovered there may be someone else out there. Then we decided their only care in the world was our welfare, they just couldn't wait to get down and obsess over our problems and hold our hand.

My care is more what effects everyone's space, not the indiviual space, but everyone's space. The space that I actually share with others.I don't let other people demean me....because...I'm not demeaning myself. Is that what it takes for us to be comfortable and interplay of demeaning?

I should just allow a space where people can demean themselves without cautioning on what space they are treading on is allowing what I wound't allow through my front door. We want comfort and our Great Light Wave. Take it up with the wave. That's where everyone's interests lie. Its coming has been heralded; preparing our selves for its coming ....that was our end of the agreement. Are we prepared for that, if we always demeaning ourselves and see ourselves as so little ....but yet we think we can manage this Great Light wave.
I'm a ripple on the pond. That wave is going to be tidal.

This powerful wave coming our way. So WHO is going to manage that powerful wave? All things being relative. Energy being attractive and all.

.

Posted by ulli (here)
@ 9eagle
When I was an active Baha'i we were always talking and hearing about system change...that there was no hope for the world under the present corrupt system.
When I was with the various Gurdjieff groups we were talking and hearing about changing the self, first via self observation, self knowledge, and gradually pushing ourselves to our limits with various physical, emotional and intellectual exercises.
My question was always which of the two paths was the better path changing the world, or changing the self, and I had to concede there was not only one way...but many.
My hope was that all these different paths would one day converge in a vanishing "zero" point of Oneness.
The main thing was that people would be free to chose their own direction and calling. Unfettered by hecklers, disruption, oppression.
In both systems the thing that tripped up the wanderers most was the appearance of self appointed challengers, and not everyone remained steadfast after running into them.

Today I had an emotional run-in with you 9eagle, because your reaction to that sad photo prompted you to do what I considered to be a wild rant...
something I am not very partial to. I herewith apologize for possibly having made matters worse with my own response.
I would now like you to hear my position, and also invite that of others, who might have felt equally uncomfortable as I did.

Each person needs space and air to breathe if they want to make their contribution in life, and that it is that which I am upholding as anyone's given right.
Their equilibrium takes a beating each time someone hammers at them for not doing their part.
Nothing will ever be achieved as long as there are people who don't see that such behavior serves no one.

Acts of desperation cannot stir a ship through a storm, on the contrary, they unsettle the entire journey.
I appeal to you, 9eagle, to go back to where you were yesterday, when you shared with the rest of us your own Here and Now.
Today I felt the whole village was being attacked for not being out there in Africa and dealing with the issues of starvation.
When I posted my response about not knowing where to send sympathy, you (the ranter) or the children of Africa who have no food.
I meant it then and I mean it now.
Rants are confusing to all, and useless. Please refrain from doing this again.
If you wish to see real change then please lets talk about the many forms this can be brought about.
This thread is not called Here and Now for nothing.
We need practical approaches, starting out from where we are, Here and Now.

[modwiz]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
You grant me far too much power, I can't deny some one's space.

Manage me here, Uli, which one will it be? Shall I hold space where its easier for people to demean themselves and not see themselves for what they really are? Or should I hold a space where its not very comfortable for others to demean themselves? If we create space where we demean ourselves something is all too willing to come in there and begin demeaning and managing for us.

If you want to manage me you will have to listen my requests. Can I have a space and air to breathe where I'm not in a space where people are constantly demeaning themselves. "I'm only a Libra, My Life path number is only a four, I'm weak, I'm not spiritually advanced, I have to mock myself, I'm a retard.,'m not you"

Can I have a space where someone says "I'm magnificent in my infinity" ONLY so I can say, Yes you are. I don't get a whole lot of opportunies to make those sorts of agreeable agreements.

It's easy to hold a nice easy comfortable space.

What happens when we are required to hold a space that's like a bag of ill tempered weasels?

The Great Light wave . We know it's coming. It's coming to take up space. It didn't say once it got here it would prepare us for it's arrival no more than a solar flare phones ahead to make sure you're ready for it. Our part of the agreement is to create a space for it. We get a headache from solar flare activity, quit resisting it. Pain is the result of resistance. If you can make the solar flares stop, I'm watching your back as you do so.

That is where my focus lies, in holding a space for what effects us all. Because we all in the same space at the end of the day.

Humanity has this peculiar arrogance that the universe's sole focus is on them, how they feel, what their challenges are. How we feel. Everything out thing out there is worried about our feelings. We used to think we were the only thing in the universe that mattered to God and God's only obsession was how we felt. We thought we WERE the only game in the universe. Then we discovered there may be someone else out there. Then we decided their only care in the world was our welfare, they just couldn't wait to get down and obsess over our problems and hold our hand.

My care is more what effects everyone's space, not the indiviual space, but everyone's space. The space that I actually share with others.I don't let other people demean me....because...I'm not demeaning myself. Is that what it takes for us to be comfortable and interplay of demeaning?

I should just allow a space where people can demean themselves without cautioning on what space they are treading on is allowing what I wound't allow through my front door. We want comfort and our Great Light Wave. Take it up with the wave. That's where everyone's interests lie. Its coming has been heralded; preparing our selves for its coming ....that was our end of the agreement. Are we prepared for that, if we always demeaning ourselves and see ourselves as so little ....but yet we think we can manage this Great Light wave.
I'm a ripple on the pond. That wave is going to be tidal.

This powerful wave coming our way. So WHO is going to manage that powerful wave? All things being relative. Energy being attractive and all.

.

As I have said before: I can never forget you have an Aries cusp. You're getting like that Italian mother who refuses to let you get up from the table until you have had at least a small plate of everything she has cooked for you. It is effusive love in action and no matter what adjective you put in front of 'love' it is still love.

There is being right and there is also being done. For a time, at least. Let the eaters digest before another loving dish is set upon the table.

I know you asked Ulli to manage you, but I decided to jump in with my own kind of love. Don't have an adjective. Open to suggestions.

Don't forget:

Post Update:
I think I can 'feel' another dish being prepared. I'll get the papaya enzymes.

[ulli]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
You grant me far too much power, I can't deny some one's space.

Manage me here, Uli, which one will it be? Shall I hold space where its easier for people to demean themselves and not see themselves for what they really are? Or should I hold a space where its not very comfortable for others to demean themselves? If we create space where we demean ourselves something is all too willing to come in there and begin demeaning and managing for us.

If you want to manage me you will have to listen my requests. Can I have a space and air to breathe where I'm not in a space where people are constantly demeaning themselves. "I'm only a Libra, My Life path number is only a four, I'm weak, I'm not spiritually advanced, I have to mock myself, I'm a retard.,'m not you"

Can I have a space where someone says "I'm magnificent in my infinity" ONLY so I can say, Yes you are. I don't get a whole lot of opportunies to make those sorts of agreeable agreements.

It's easy to hold a nice easy comfortable space.

What happens when we are required to hold a space that's like a bag of ill tempered weasels?

The Great Light wave . We know it's coming. It's coming to take up space. It didn't say once it got here it would prepare us for it's arrival no more than a solar flare phones ahead to make sure you're ready for it. Our part of the agreement is to create a space for it. We get a headache from solar flare activity, quit resisting it. Pain is the result of resistance. If you can make the solar flares stop, I'm watching your back as you do so.

That is where my focus lies, in holding a space for what effects us all. Because we all in the same space at the end of the day.

Humanity has this peculiar arrogance that the universe's sole focus is on them, how they feel, what their challenges are. How we feel. Everything out thing out there is worried about our feelings. We used to think we were the only thing in the universe that mattered to God and God's only obsession was how we felt. We thought we WERE the only game in the universe. Then we discovered there may be someone else out there. Then we decided their only care in the world was our welfare, they just couldn't wait to get down and obsess over our problems and hold our hand.

My care is more what effects everyone's space, not the indiviual space, but everyone's space. The space that I actually share with others.I don't let other people demean me....because...I'm not demeaning myself. Is that what it takes for us to be comfortable and interplay of demeaning?

I should just allow a space where people can demean themselves without cautioning on what space they are treading on is allowing what I wound't allow through my front door. We want comfort and our Great Light Wave. Take it up with the wave. That's where everyone's interests lie. Its coming has been heralded; preparing our selves for its coming ....that was our end of the agreement. Are we prepared for that, if we always demeaning ourselves and see ourselves as so little ....but yet we think we can manage this Great Light wave.
I'm a ripple on the pond. That wave is going to be tidal.

This powerful wave coming our way. So WHO is going to manage that powerful wave? All things being relative. Energy being attractive and all.

.

Posted by ulli (here)
@ 9eagle
When I was an active Baha'i we were always talking and hearing about system change...that there was no hope for the world under the present corrupt system.
When I was with the various Gurdjieff groups we were talking and hearing about changing the self, first via self observation, self knowledge, and gradually pushing ourselves to our limits with various physical, emotional and intellectual exercises.
My question was always which of the two paths was the better path changing the world, or changing the self, and I had to concede there was not only one way...but many.
My hope was that all these different paths would one day converge in a vanishing "zero" point of Oneness.
The main thing was that people would be free to chose their own direction and calling. Unfettered by hecklers, disruption, oppression.
In both systems the thing that tripped up the wanderers most was the appearance of self appointed challengers, and not everyone remained steadfast after running into them.

Today I had an emotional run-in with you 9eagle, because your reaction to that sad photo prompted you to do what I considered to be a wild rant...
something I am not very partial to. I herewith apologize for possibly having made matters worse with my own response.
I would now like you to hear my position, and also invite that of others, who might have felt equally uncomfortable as I did.

Each person needs space and air to breathe if they want to make their contribution in life, and that it is that which I am upholding as anyone's given right.
Their equilibrium takes a beating each time someone hammers at them for not doing their part.
Nothing will ever be achieved as long as there are people who don't see that such behavior serves no one.

Acts of desperation cannot stir a ship through a storm, on the contrary, they unsettle the entire journey.
I appeal to you, 9eagle, to go back to where you were yesterday, when you shared with the rest of us your own Here and Now.
Today I felt the whole village was being attacked for not being out there in Africa and dealing with the issues of starvation.
When I posted my response about not knowing where to send sympathy, you (the ranter) or the children of Africa who have no food.
I meant it then and I mean it now.
Rants are confusing to all, and useless. Please refrain from doing this again.
If you wish to see real change then please lets talk about the many forms this can be brought about.
This thread is not called Here and Now for nothing.
We need practical approaches, starting out from where we are, Here and Now.

I have no idea what you are saying here, 9eagle, and so I have no response for you. I feel worn out.

[Carmody]

I'd like to chime in on the here and now aspect regarding something that just happened and has been happening for the past 1.5 weeks, consistently. My own personal chemtrails. At night. I heard the low flying jet and ran outside, as FOR ONCE....(it's been cloudy all week) it is a clear sky and I can see the trails.

[9eagle9]

No more beating dead people?

Oooo...yeah. That goes over like a ton of bricks.

Posted by modwiz (here)
9eagle9 ya know I loves ya. I hope you do. Somewhere, a dead horse is being beaten. With your love of horses you would be the perfect person to stop this abuse. You are a brilliant mind and spirit, but I am close to getting some:

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9WTlP08LEg

[modwiz]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
No more beating dead people?

Oooo...yeah. That goes over like a ton of bricks.

Posted by modwiz (here)
9eagle9 ya know I loves ya. I hope you do. Somewhere, a dead horse is being beaten. With your love of horses you would be the perfect person to stop this abuse. You are a brilliant mind and spirit, but I am close to getting some:

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9WTlP08LEg

OMG! I think an eagle just sh!t on me. Is that good luck?

[Samsara]

Posted by ulli (here)
I knew those kids. Were they traveling with Mary Powers?
By the way, "From the sweet-scented streams of Thine eternity" was always my favorite prayer and I have it memorized.

P.S.Treasure Box used to be the name of my old shop in Barbados.

I don't know who they were travelling with. The woman (forget her name) who asked if I could have them in my home was their guardian while they were visiting the "Petite-Nation". The young girl who left me the note was Ellie, she came from England. A beautiful soul.

Small world...

[9eagle9]

God wore me out when God reminded me over and over and over again too. I commiserate. For the same reasons. I didn't understand.

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
You grant me far too much power, I can't deny some one's space.

Manage me here, Uli, which one will it be? Shall I hold space where its easier for people to demean themselves and not see themselves for what they really are? Or should I hold a space where its not very comfortable for others to demean themselves? If we create space where we demean ourselves something is all too willing to come in there and begin demeaning and managing for us.

If you want to manage me you will have to listen my requests. Can I have a space and air to breathe where I'm not in a space where people are constantly demeaning themselves. "I'm only a Libra, My Life path number is only a four, I'm weak, I'm not spiritually advanced, I have to mock myself, I'm a retard.,'m not you"

Can I have a space where someone says "I'm magnificent in my infinity" ONLY so I can say, Yes you are. I don't get a whole lot of opportunies to make those sorts of agreeable agreements.

It's easy to hold a nice easy comfortable space.

What happens when we are required to hold a space that's like a bag of ill tempered weasels?

The Great Light wave . We know it's coming. It's coming to take up space. It didn't say once it got here it would prepare us for it's arrival no more than a solar flare phones ahead to make sure you're ready for it. Our part of the agreement is to create a space for it. We get a headache from solar flare activity, quit resisting it. Pain is the result of resistance. If you can make the solar flares stop, I'm watching your back as you do so.

That is where my focus lies, in holding a space for what effects us all. Because we all in the same space at the end of the day.

Humanity has this peculiar arrogance that the universe's sole focus is on them, how they feel, what their challenges are. How we feel. Everything out thing out there is worried about our feelings. We used to think we were the only thing in the universe that mattered to God and God's only obsession was how we felt. We thought we WERE the only game in the universe. Then we discovered there may be someone else out there. Then we decided their only care in the world was our welfare, they just couldn't wait to get down and obsess over our problems and hold our hand.

My care is more what effects everyone's space, not the indiviual space, but everyone's space. The space that I actually share with others.I don't let other people demean me....because...I'm not demeaning myself. Is that what it takes for us to be comfortable and interplay of demeaning?

I should just allow a space where people can demean themselves without cautioning on what space they are treading on is allowing what I wound't allow through my front door. We want comfort and our Great Light Wave. Take it up with the wave. That's where everyone's interests lie. Its coming has been heralded; preparing our selves for its coming ....that was our end of the agreement. Are we prepared for that, if we always demeaning ourselves and see ourselves as so little ....but yet we think we can manage this Great Light wave.
I'm a ripple on the pond. That wave is going to be tidal.

This powerful wave coming our way. So WHO is going to manage that powerful wave? All things being relative. Energy being attractive and all.

.

Posted by ulli (here)
@ 9eagle
When I was an active Baha'i we were always talking and hearing about system change...that there was no hope for the world under the present corrupt system.
When I was with the various Gurdjieff groups we were talking and hearing about changing the self, first via self observation, self knowledge, and gradually pushing ourselves to our limits with various physical, emotional and intellectual exercises.
My question was always which of the two paths was the better path changing the world, or changing the self, and I had to concede there was not only one way...but many.
My hope was that all these different paths would one day converge in a vanishing "zero" point of Oneness.
The main thing was that people would be free to chose their own direction and calling. Unfettered by hecklers, disruption, oppression.
In both systems the thing that tripped up the wanderers most was the appearance of self appointed challengers, and not everyone remained steadfast after running into them.

Today I had an emotional run-in with you 9eagle, because your reaction to that sad photo prompted you to do what I considered to be a wild rant...
something I am not very partial to. I herewith apologize for possibly having made matters worse with my own response.
I would now like you to hear my position, and also invite that of others, who might have felt equally uncomfortable as I did.

Each person needs space and air to breathe if they want to make their contribution in life, and that it is that which I am upholding as anyone's given right.
Their equilibrium takes a beating each time someone hammers at them for not doing their part.
Nothing will ever be achieved as long as there are people who don't see that such behavior serves no one.

Acts of desperation cannot stir a ship through a storm, on the contrary, they unsettle the entire journey.
I appeal to you, 9eagle, to go back to where you were yesterday, when you shared with the rest of us your own Here and Now.
Today I felt the whole village was being attacked for not being out there in Africa and dealing with the issues of starvation.
When I posted my response about not knowing where to send sympathy, you (the ranter) or the children of Africa who have no food.
I meant it then and I mean it now.
Rants are confusing to all, and useless. Please refrain from doing this again.
If you wish to see real change then please lets talk about the many forms this can be brought about.
This thread is not called Here and Now for nothing.
We need practical approaches, starting out from where we are, Here and Now.

I have no idea what you are saying here, 9eagle, and so I have no response for you. I feel worn out.

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I commiserate Ulli, when God pushed and pushed and reminded and reminded me and reminded me to do my work I got wore out too. For the same reasons. I didn't understand .

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
You grant me far too much power, I can't deny some one's space.

Manage me here, Uli, which one will it be? Shall I hold space where its easier for people to demean themselves and not see themselves for what they really are? Or should I hold a space where its not very comfortable for others to demean themselves? If we create space where we demean ourselves something is all too willing to come in there and begin demeaning and managing for us.

If you want to manage me you will have to listen my requests. Can I have a space and air to breathe where I'm not in a space where people are constantly demeaning themselves. "I'm only a Libra, My Life path number is only a four, I'm weak, I'm not spiritually advanced, I have to mock myself, I'm a retard.,'m not you"

Can I have a space where someone says "I'm magnificent in my infinity" ONLY so I can say, Yes you are. I don't get a whole lot of opportunies to make those sorts of agreeable agreements.

It's easy to hold a nice easy comfortable space.

What happens when we are required to hold a space that's like a bag of ill tempered weasels?

The Great Light wave . We know it's coming. It's coming to take up space. It didn't say once it got here it would prepare us for it's arrival no more than a solar flare phones ahead to make sure you're ready for it. Our part of the agreement is to create a space for it. We get a headache from solar flare activity, quit resisting it. Pain is the result of resistance. If you can make the solar flares stop, I'm watching your back as you do so.

That is where my focus lies, in holding a space for what effects us all. Because we all in the same space at the end of the day.

Humanity has this peculiar arrogance that the universe's sole focus is on them, how they feel, what their challenges are. How we feel. Everything out thing out there is worried about our feelings. We used to think we were the only thing in the universe that mattered to God and God's only obsession was how we felt. We thought we WERE the only game in the universe. Then we discovered there may be someone else out there. Then we decided their only care in the world was our welfare, they just couldn't wait to get down and obsess over our problems and hold our hand.

My care is more what effects everyone's space, not the indiviual space, but everyone's space. The space that I actually share with others.I don't let other people demean me....because...I'm not demeaning myself. Is that what it takes for us to be comfortable and interplay of demeaning?

I should just allow a space where people can demean themselves without cautioning on what space they are treading on is allowing what I wound't allow through my front door. We want comfort and our Great Light Wave. Take it up with the wave. That's where everyone's interests lie. Its coming has been heralded; preparing our selves for its coming ....that was our end of the agreement. Are we prepared for that, if we always demeaning ourselves and see ourselves as so little ....but yet we think we can manage this Great Light wave.
I'm a ripple on the pond. That wave is going to be tidal.

This powerful wave coming our way. So WHO is going to manage that powerful wave? All things being relative. Energy being attractive and all.

.

Posted by ulli (here)
@ 9eagle
When I was an active Baha'i we were always talking and hearing about system change...that there was no hope for the world under the present corrupt system.
When I was with the various Gurdjieff groups we were talking and hearing about changing the self, first via self observation, self knowledge, and gradually pushing ourselves to our limits with various physical, emotional and intellectual exercises.
My question was always which of the two paths was the better path changing the world, or changing the self, and I had to concede there was not only one way...but many.
My hope was that all these different paths would one day converge in a vanishing "zero" point of Oneness.
The main thing was that people would be free to chose their own direction and calling. Unfettered by hecklers, disruption, oppression.
In both systems the thing that tripped up the wanderers most was the appearance of self appointed challengers, and not everyone remained steadfast after running into them.

Today I had an emotional run-in with you 9eagle, because your reaction to that sad photo prompted you to do what I considered to be a wild rant...
something I am not very partial to. I herewith apologize for possibly having made matters worse with my own response.
I would now like you to hear my position, and also invite that of others, who might have felt equally uncomfortable as I did.

Each person needs space and air to breathe if they want to make their contribution in life, and that it is that which I am upholding as anyone's given right.
Their equilibrium takes a beating each time someone hammers at them for not doing their part.
Nothing will ever be achieved as long as there are people who don't see that such behavior serves no one.

Acts of desperation cannot stir a ship through a storm, on the contrary, they unsettle the entire journey.
I appeal to you, 9eagle, to go back to where you were yesterday, when you shared with the rest of us your own Here and Now.
Today I felt the whole village was being attacked for not being out there in Africa and dealing with the issues of starvation.
When I posted my response about not knowing where to send sympathy, you (the ranter) or the children of Africa who have no food.
I meant it then and I mean it now.
Rants are confusing to all, and useless. Please refrain from doing this again.
If you wish to see real change then please lets talk about the many forms this can be brought about.
This thread is not called Here and Now for nothing.
We need practical approaches, starting out from where we are, Here and Now.

I have no idea what you are saying here, 9eagle, and so I have no response for you. I feel worn out.

[Nora]

Posted by Carmody (here)
I'd like to chime in on the here and now aspect regarding something that just happened and has been happening for the past 1.5 weeks, consistently. My own personal chemtrails. At night. I heard the low flying jet and ran outside, as FOR ONCE....(it's been cloudy all week) it is a clear sky and I can see the trails.

I had my own personal one too about a 2 months ago -but it was a quiet jet.

Love

Nora

we are all related

[1inMany]

ROFLMAO It is finally to the funny point...don't even need to know...I'm reminded of what certain people have said to certain other people (trying not to leave an invitation by telling the roles of the people)... You're not the boss of me.

Moving on...speaking for myself of course...

Much Love,

[modwiz]

Posted by Carmody (here)
I'd like to chime in on the here and now aspect regarding something that just happened and has been happening for the past 1.5 weeks, consistently. My own personal chemtrails. At night. I heard the low flying jet and ran outside, as FOR ONCE....(it's been cloudy all week) it is a clear sky and I can see the trails.

Personal chemtrails........reminds me of a Confucious says:
" He who fart in church, sit in own pew"

Somebody wishes you would get retarded. Try a different avatar and see if they leave you alone. Carm_avaretard?

We are all retarded.