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    Quote Posted by Carmody (here)
    Careful about Peterson. I watched about 15-20 of his videos and found he made no missteps. No reason to distance myself from a minimal recommendation.

    A friend, debating champ in his younger days...warned me to be careful as he says that Peterson does what is known as 'the Gish-gallop'.

    The problem, for the friend, is that Peterson is apparently an Israeli apologist of some sort, from the friend's understanding. The gish-gallop is from all Peterson's reading, and no apparent research of his own? Basically, forming and placing and ordering everyone else's data, in a way he sees fit. nothing new in that and pretty well on par for the vast majority of 'experts' - as we like to see them as being. The gish-gallop in this case might be the simple subtle re-framing of excellent data, presentation and connection methods, projections for the reader to fall or step/walk/flow into, etc.

    So, the man has some really good and decent data but beneath it all, it may be a bit ..uhm..er..off.

    Most of us are resigned to dealing with the end point data as we cannot do it all ourselves. Peterson is very very good at laying all of that data out in a useful manner. But the deeper unspoken sentiment may be a bit problematic. We don't know the reasons/shape/etc for that seldom shown apparent sentiment, or whatever the case may be, so I think it is a good idea to not get behind him 100%.

    The usual cautions, as no one is perfect.
    Some of us can perceive the flaws sooner than others. Well-spotted.

    Once the extreme left and the extreme right-wing conservative groups have returned to a more rational dialogue then Peterson won’t need to resolve to Gish tricks.

    Actually, compared to the real hate mongers I am spotting online I think a voice like his is needed just to put the balance straight. And perhaps in a few years when the reconciling process is going fullsteam ahead I will return to my former liberal self, and perhaps Peterson will do so as well. Keyword is balance.

    Three forces, not just two. Third force is often forgotten.
    1) affirming,
    2) denying
    3) reconciling.

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    My knowledge of JP is fairly cursory. As a known proponent of free speech, and with decent name recognition, it might be worth a shot throwing a little energy and attention to his platform as far as that goes. I don't actually follow his material, knowing only bits and pieces, but I know that such a project has a chance of getting the right kind of support to make a difference in the dialogue about social media in general. That's where we come in. The same goes for Dotcom's effort.
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    OK, I am going to suggest that this wonderful human:




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    The story goes like this.... and I cannot think of a better thread for my current bonkers thought processes.


    We are facing climate chaos, and the settled science suggests the following process --

    Solar output or some other heating input (provably NOT CO2) triggers oceanic warming. This after 200-1000 years DELAY triggers the measured (see ice core records) CO2 release from their main non petrified store in the ocean.

    When this CO2 reaches a certain level it starts to allegedly act as a greenhouse gas which provides positive feedback or re-enforces the warming. Once this is established, a big melt takes place which includes release of billions of tonnes or carbon trapped in tundra, the ocean bed etc.


    What dear Alexandra wishes us to entertain is that a window of opportunity exists for the NEXT FIVE YEARS or so, where concerted human intervention can arrest these vast planetary processes and save us from climate change. We are expected to believe this , plus the idea that 3/4 of the human populus that are busily industrialising with the help of fossil fuels, can find the resources to get rich with renewable energy.


    These ideas are NOT SCIENCE, they are extremely tendentious pseudo-scientific speculations.


    Why is she pushing this? The clue in in the first and third words used in the new slogan 'NEW GREEN DEAL'


    The original New deal was the ultimate exercise in economic stimulus via a Keynesian Borrowing Binge. The aim is to saddle us with debt.



    The powers that be recognise that we can have a debt fuelled windmill boom, that will ensure not only on-going fossil fuel consumption, but also a tax & debt fuelled subsidy binge, and a huge interest income from the hoi polloi.


    This represents a new strategy - or war. The war against climate change.

    What happened to the trusty old model of the war against humans?(to create debt)


    Well, that one continues, however it may be becoming a trifle obsolete.


    The problem is that without anybody seeming to notice, we have transitioned from wars of production, to wars of assets. The confrontation is likely to be so short, bloody, and deadly, that what is coming out of the factories (that needs to be funded by debt) will be late for the main event.


    The war will be fought with what you have this afternoon. It could, once the planes have run out, turn nuclear, and then your debts may not perform.


    So really , AOC's 'war' represents a great step forward for us....
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    All was peaceful and quiet. Fed the animals and decided to have a quick look at the Here and Now thread. And here and now I get the shock of my life with a Jack-in-the box jumping out, into my face.
    The scary face of AOC!!
    Followed by a scenario of the green hulk AOC WWIII.
    Trying to take it all in my stride, doing some deep ventilating to calm these frazzled nerves.

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    Any discussion of climate change, or global warming, that does not include state sponsored or even military geoengineering programs, is false.
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    No fear.

    All is well.

    Altho' I understand how the face of AOC can be shocking....lol

    I kinda feel sorry for her. Every time she tries to play grown up, she steps in poo.
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    I suddenly realized: Paul will be back soon, but not until he has thoroughly scraped off that Cow image.


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    Haha that was awesome, in a totally wrong kinda way.
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    Tonight’s sunset

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    Quote Posted by PurpleLama (here)
    Haha that was awesome, in a totally wrong kinda way.
    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...What-s-Goin-On

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    Quote Posted by Strat (here)
    So, I've been trying to find this (poster?) image for about 10 years, it used to be the background on my phone:

    I saw a movie on TV from...I dunno, my guess would be anywhere from 70s to 80s. I don't remember the name of it. It was a kinda cops and robbers sort of movie and it had some car chase scenes in it. I believe at the end of it someone takes off in an airplane with a bunch of cash..I dunno. Great explanation I know. There was a poster made for it, a gal standing in front of (I think) a muscle car, arms up, running her hands through her hair. I can't find that damn pic anymore, I wanna buy the poster but I can't find it. I think we can rule out Raquel Welch (my first guess) but not sure. If someone can find it for me then you'll be my hero.
    Hey Strat, i do hope you find your



    [03:33!!]

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    Quote Posted by Mike (here)
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    Haha that was awesome, in a totally wrong kinda way.
    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...What-s-Goin-On
    Mike, have you caught that raccoon yet? We once had to find an expert, long time ago in Barbados, to trap a rogue monkey that was terrorizing us, and even attacked my five year old son and his little friends. There were many failed attempts, but what worked in the end was ingenious.
    A huge plate of the most delicious looking fruit salad, topped by a hibiscus flower, on a platform that sat on a spring, and the framed and well hidden net that finally trapped the monkey fell down from above. I wish I had a picture.

    The guy was running a monkey zoo, but people thought he was making too much money for a small zoo keeper, and that he was selling his monkeys to a lab in Canada, where they used them to experiment on. They said he was getting $5000 per monkey. I doubt you would get $5 for your raccoon though.

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    My mood today. What can I say.
    Edit: this is me trying to counterbalance all the problems I am facing in my daily life. Just trying to brain wash my mind.
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    Quote Posted by Rosemarie (here)
    My mood today. What can I say.
    Excellent! I share that mood!
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    Quote Posted by Rosemarie (here)
    My mood today. What can I say.
    Edit: this is me trying to counterbalance all the problems I am facing in my daily life. Just trying to brain wash my mind.
    Brilliant Robin Williams. I still have that picture on my computer. Great meme.

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    Quote Posted by Strat (here)
    So, I've been trying to find this (poster?) image for about 10 years, it used to be the background on my phone:

    I saw a movie on TV from...I dunno, my guess would be anywhere from 70s to 80s. I don't remember the name of it. It was a kinda cops and robbers sort of movie and it had some car chase scenes in it. I believe at the end of it someone takes off in an airplane with a bunch of cash..I dunno. Great explanation I know. There was a poster made for it, a gal standing in front of (I think) a muscle car, arms up, running her hands through her hair. I can't find that damn pic anymore, I wanna buy the poster but I can't find it. I think we can rule out Raquel Welch (my first guess) but not sure. If someone can find it for me then you'll be my hero.
    Hey Strat, i do hope you find your



    [03:33!!]
    the only thing that comes to mind right now:

    Interdimensional Civil Servant

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    Quote Posted by Carmody (here)
    Careful about Peterson. I watched about 15-20 of his videos and found he made no missteps. No reason to distance myself from a minimal recommendation.

    A friend, debating champ in his younger days...warned me to be careful as he says that Peterson does what is known as 'the Gish-gallop'.

    The problem, for the friend, is that Peterson is apparently an Israeli apologist of some sort, from the friend's understanding. The gish-gallop is from all Peterson's reading, and no apparent research of his own? Basically, forming and placing and ordering everyone else's data, in a way he sees fit. nothing new in that and pretty well on par for the vast majority of 'experts' - as we like to see them as being. The gish-gallop in this case might be the simple subtle re-framing of excellent data, presentation and connection methods, projections for the reader to fall or step/walk/flow into, etc.

    So, the man has some really good and decent data but beneath it all, it may be a bit ..uhm..er..off.

    Most of us are resigned to dealing with the end point data as we cannot do it all ourselves. Peterson is very very good at laying all of that data out in a useful manner. But the deeper unspoken sentiment may be a bit problematic. We don't know the reasons/shape/etc for that seldom shown apparent sentiment, or whatever the case may be, so I think it is a good idea to not get behind him 100%.

    The usual cautions, as no one is perfect.
    I never think in terms of data accuracy when I watch Peterson. I appreciate his common sense, balanced approach to issues.

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    Quote Posted by ulli (here)
    Quote Posted by Carmody (here)
    Careful about Peterson. I watched about 15-20 of his videos and found he made no missteps. No reason to distance myself from a minimal recommendation.

    A friend, debating champ in his younger days...warned me to be careful as he says that Peterson does what is known as 'the Gish-gallop'.

    The problem, for the friend, is that Peterson is apparently an Israeli apologist of some sort, from the friend's understanding. The gish-gallop is from all Peterson's reading, and no apparent research of his own? Basically, forming and placing and ordering everyone else's data, in a way he sees fit. nothing new in that and pretty well on par for the vast majority of 'experts' - as we like to see them as being. The gish-gallop in this case might be the simple subtle re-framing of excellent data, presentation and connection methods, projections for the reader to fall or step/walk/flow into, etc.

    So, the man has some really good and decent data but beneath it all, it may be a bit ..uhm..er..off.

    Most of us are resigned to dealing with the end point data as we cannot do it all ourselves. Peterson is very very good at laying all of that data out in a useful manner. But the deeper unspoken sentiment may be a bit problematic. We don't know the reasons/shape/etc for that seldom shown apparent sentiment, or whatever the case may be, so I think it is a good idea to not get behind him 100%.

    The usual cautions, as no one is perfect.
    Some of us can perceive the flaws sooner than others. Well-spotted.

    Once the extreme left and the extreme right-wing conservative groups have returned to a more rational dialogue then Peterson won’t need to resolve to Gish tricks.

    Actually, compared to the real hate mongers I am spotting online I think a voice like his is needed just to put the balance straight. And perhaps in a few years when the reconciling process is going fullsteam ahead I will return to my former liberal self, and perhaps Peterson will do so as well. Keyword is balance.

    Three forces, not just two. Third force is often forgotten.
    1) affirming,
    2) denying
    3) reconciling.
    It's interesting, I started out as a ultra liberal. After working and getting a taste of reality I began to appreciate that nothing is free and someone is footing the bill. I began to see vast abuse of entitlement programs offered and it was really eye opening. I came to understand who it was that was footing the bill, at least in the US. I came to appreciate self reliance and saw that chronic victimhood can be very destructive. I still hold to what I guess could be sort of classic, core liberal values in many respects, I guess I now differ from many in the way I think we can get to equality and abundance for all.

    Ulli, you are optimistic about a return to rationale dialogue. I just don't picture that happening, unfortunately. I wish I did.

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