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    Tripped over something? Cuff stuck in a doorhandle?
    Headache? Uncle died? Accident? Not won the lottery?
    Election rigged? Found out the chancellor is a fem-bot?
    Knee hurts? Arthrosis? upset stomach? Having the runs?
    Wife cheating? Husband cheating? etc, pp., ad infinitum...

    Relax.

    It was Putin.
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    Quote Posted by meeradas (here)
    Tripped over something? Cuff stuck in a doorhandle?
    Headache? Uncle died? Accident? Not won the lottery?
    Election rigged? Found out the chancellor is a fem-bot?
    Knee hurts? Arthrosis? upset stomach? Having the runs?
    Wife cheating? Husband cheating? etc, pp., ad infinitum...

    Relax.

    It was Putin.
    There are things we can thank him for too: rice Putin, Christmas Putin....

    Just been reorganizing some of my bookshelves, and came across a guy who was big in the early 1970s, Ivan Illich, and is worth another look. Things like this:
    Quote Many students, especially those who are poor, intuitively know what the schools do for them. They school them to confuse process and substance. Once these become blurred, a new logic is assumed: the more treatment there is, the better are the results; or, escalation leads to success. The pupil is thereby “schooled” to confuse teaching with learning, grade advancement with education, a diploma with competence, and fluency with the ability to say something new. His imagination is “schooled” to accept service in place of value. Medical treatment is mistaken for health care, social work for the improvement of community life, police protection for safety, military poise for national security, the rat race for productive work. Health, learning, dignity, independence, and creative endeavour are defined as little more than the performance of the institutions which claim to serve these ends, and their improvement is made to depend on allocating more resources to the management of hospitals, schools, and other agencies in question. Ivan Illich Deschooling Society (1973: 9)
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    Quote Posted by araucaria (here)
    Quote Posted by meeradas (here)
    Tripped over something? Cuff stuck in a doorhandle?
    Headache? Uncle died? Accident? Not won the lottery?
    Election rigged? Found out the chancellor is a fem-bot?
    Knee hurts? Arthrosis? upset stomach? Having the runs?
    Wife cheating? Husband cheating? etc, pp., ad infinitum...

    Relax.

    It was Putin.
    There are things we can thank him for too: rice Putin, Christmas Putin....

    Just been reorganizing some of my bookshelves, and came across a guy who was big in the early 1970s, Ivan Illich, and is worth another look. Things like this:
    Quote Many students, especially those who are poor, intuitively know what the schools do for them. They school them to confuse process and substance. Once these become blurred, a new logic is assumed: the more treatment there is, the better are the results; or, escalation leads to success. The pupil is thereby “schooled” to confuse teaching with learning, grade advancement with education, a diploma with competence, and fluency with the ability to say something new. His imagination is “schooled” to accept service in place of value. Medical treatment is mistaken for health care, social work for the improvement of community life, police protection for safety, military poise for national security, the rat race for productive work. Health, learning, dignity, independence, and creative endeavour are defined as little more than the performance of the institutions which claim to serve these ends, and their improvement is made to depend on allocating more resources to the management of hospitals, schools, and other agencies in question. Ivan Illich Deschooling Society (1973: 9)
    More here.
    I was just literally thinking about that aspect of intelligence, or it's conflation with excess and complexity in the lesser mind, which inherently projects into unknowns and unreachables. When it does so.... it tends to complexify subjects and inflate such confusions into a unnecessarily high entry barrier, for the uninitiated. What can be simplified, is made arcane, or spoken of in a codified language that by it's very inclusion and difference from a norm, makes for a secret knowledge. When none of it may have to be that way.

    Sometimes in the past, I might scour a large physics text or whatnot, and try to find the defining few sentences that speak the core or kernel of the given thrust. Knowing is what creates the few sentences of pointed articulation. Unknowing is what creates the hydra of ineffectual complexity. Elitist cunning will wreak havoc on and in these aspects in the conquering of the common man into being as chattel and cattle.



    I have (beside me, the reason for posting) a 1930's text on the origins of some of what is now modern physics. It came from the library of a man who worked at the bell labs and MIT... and went on to deal with the scramjet program and US space command (reading into his bio kinda thing). I bought it off eBay, as his library was sold off and this is the only one I managed to grab. I was aware of the situation late in the sales of the library. I tripped over it one day while clicking on stuff on eBay.

    The aspect of note, concerning the text (clearly stated aim in the forward), is that it contains minimal mathematics and focuses on bringing the salient understandings to the reader, which are required to understand the ideas in the text. To understand on a level that brings about the ability to do things with the ideas; to fit the ideas into the frameworks of the observation of reality and it's manipulations. The reader is addressed as akin to a highly competent autodidact.

    I find modern physics texts (that I've looked at) severely lacking in this all critical area. Fundamentals are written off as mathematical manipulations and lose their place as the true ideas and potentials that they are. that innovation potential has been written out of the modern texts, dumbed down into a blocking form of pointed and directed dogma. One needs the original exploratory texts which generally contain many more degrees of freedom in interpretation and understanding.

    I like to think that this original owner of the text understood these all important aspects of evolving and unfolding competence in invention; the things required in order to get to the rarefied levels...the kinds of things that have little to nothing to do with enunciation of scholastic endeavor.

    Ie, that in bike riding and learning to ride bikes, and be the best in the world, that the science and it's complexities and the mathematics and calculations of it, these things have their place but they cannot supplant or give meaning to the raw talent or skill and lore involved in the riding of the bike.

    Invention is much the same. Yet those who cannot, very much tend to complexify invention and the given associated sciences into a muddled mess of obscuring hydra headed dead end hash.
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    Quote Invention is much the same. Yet those who cannot, very much tend to complexify invention and the given associated sciences into a muddled mess of obscuring hydra headed dead end hash.
    Good reminder and just in time. In a paradigm changing founding initiative it's one of the hurdles to kind of make up a story of complexity instead of just working on a straight out practical level.

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    I am in love its so strong I feel bliss for someone I never even met.
    I walk through nature and see the infinite possibilities and endless beauty.

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    Here and now. Bake-potato-breakfast.
    Sprinkled with cayenne and garlic powder then air baked. No oil.
    Fun food.


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    I remember very well Ivan Illich, he was quite popular in my college - gosh, it feels like I was much brighter then than now!!

    As for Putin, French Canadian we have a greasy spoon delight made of French fries, curd cheddar cheese and heavy gravy (spicy or not, to your taste), worth at least 1,000 calories for one serving. It is called Poutine (pronounced Putin).



    Quote Posted by araucaria (here)
    Quote Posted by meeradas (here)
    Tripped over something? Cuff stuck in a doorhandle?
    Headache? Uncle died? Accident? Not won the lottery?
    Election rigged? Found out the chancellor is a fem-bot?
    Knee hurts? Arthrosis? upset stomach? Having the runs?
    Wife cheating? Husband cheating? etc, pp., ad infinitum...

    Relax.

    It was Putin.
    There are things we can thank him for too: rice Putin, Christmas Putin....

    Just been reorganizing some of my bookshelves, and came across a guy who was big in the early 1970s, Ivan Illich, and is worth another look. Things like this:
    Quote Many students, especially those who are poor, intuitively know what the schools do for them. They school them to confuse process and substance. Once these become blurred, a new logic is assumed: the more treatment there is, the better are the results; or, escalation leads to success. The pupil is thereby “schooled” to confuse teaching with learning, grade advancement with education, a diploma with competence, and fluency with the ability to say something new. His imagination is “schooled” to accept service in place of value. Medical treatment is mistaken for health care, social work for the improvement of community life, police protection for safety, military poise for national security, the rat race for productive work. Health, learning, dignity, independence, and creative endeavour are defined as little more than the performance of the institutions which claim to serve these ends, and their improvement is made to depend on allocating more resources to the management of hospitals, schools, and other agencies in question. Ivan Illich Deschooling Society (1973: 9)
    More here.
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    Quote Posted by Flash (here)
    As for Putin, French Canadian we have a greasy spoon delight made of French fries, curd cheddar cheese and heavy gravy (spicy or not, to your taste), worth at least 1,000 calories for one serving. It is called Poutine (pronounced Putin).
    Yes, I’ve had some, with bits of pork in it as well – the ultimate ‘étouffe-chrétien’ dish, so filling it would ‘choke a christian’ – not a North American one though, I guess


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    Wow, i have never seen the here and now thread on page 5. We have to reactivate it guys..

    Something unexpected happened to me tonight. I was cleaning the house, having been through major repairs following a water damage on the dining room floor. So for a few months, the basement ceiling and the floor in the first floor have been replaced litterally (my insurer is paying and as I had total replacement new in it, I god brand new maple floors - so happy! but so dirty, there is dust everywhere).

    While cleaning I found a small metal basket, looked all tarnished and wasted kind of rusted. I was going to throw it out. But I thought "wait a minute, what if I wash it and scrub it, just a tiny part". The basket is made of small pieces of metal bit smaller than a dime, about 70 of them, attached together with metal threads that are kind of twisted, pretty work, but old and not worth it, did I think.

    So I scrubbed one of the round piece of metal, and guess what: they are all pure silver, 70 of them!!! This thing must be 100 years old.

    Great isn't it! When entirely scrubbed, I may post a pic of it.
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    Quote Posted by Flash (here)
    The basket is made of small pieces of metal bit smaller than a dime, about 70 of them, attached together with metal threads that are kind of twisted, pretty work, but old and not worth it, did I think.

    So I scrubbed one of the round piece of metal, and guess what: they are all pure silver, 70 of them!!!
    Just the melt value of that basket, if it was mostly silver with the weight of 70 dimes, or about 6 ounces, would be perhaps $50 to $90.
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    Quote Posted by Paul (here)
    Quote Posted by Flash (here)
    The basket is made of small pieces of metal bit smaller than a dime, about 70 of them, attached together with metal threads that are kind of twisted, pretty work, but old and not worth it, did I think.

    So I scrubbed one of the round piece of metal, and guess what: they are all pure silver, 70 of them!!!
    Just the melt value of that basket, if it was mostly silver with the weight of 70 dimes, or about 6 ounces, would be perhaps $50 to $90.
    ok, not worth that much, but i will keep it, we never knows - if there is a world tragedy and silver spikes tremendously..... who knows.
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    Quote Posted by Flash (here)
    Quote Posted by Paul (here)
    Quote Posted by Flash (here)
    The basket is made of small pieces of metal bit smaller than a dime, about 70 of them, attached together with metal threads that are kind of twisted, pretty work, but old and not worth it, did I think.

    So I scrubbed one of the round piece of metal, and guess what: they are all pure silver, 70 of them!!!
    Just the melt value of that basket, if it was mostly silver with the weight of 70 dimes, or about 6 ounces, would be perhaps $50 to $90.
    ok, not worth that much, but i will keep it, we never knows - if there is a world tragedy and silver spikes tremendously..... who knows.
    Clean it with salted vinegar and baking soda on a sheet of aluminium foil. That way you produce a chemical reaction without removing any silver.


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    You really believe that where is your head please come on I will do anything to help you x

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    Many I read somewhere else x
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    Quote Posted by Vward (here)
    You really believe that where is your head please come on I will do anything to help you x

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    Many I read somewhere else x
    Something got lost in translation, Vward. BTW, welcome to Avalon.
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    I am a bit lost my dog is passing
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