Here and Now...What's Happening?

[ulli]

Posted by Lisab (here)
Ruby L. I love Tony and certaintly havnt written him off. I truly feel sad that he's not here and I miss him. Yes projections went on I guess, but as I dont know what was said in the pm's, and dont want to know as its not my business, I feel I cant comment. But a week long vacation? There must be good reason for it. I dont know. I dont know the ins and outs. I do know that Ulli kept trying to apologise. I look forward to his return.x

Thanks Lisa. I did try.
I am very open, and would love to blurt out what really happened...
and had the mods said to me , come on, ulli....give the guy a couple of days to cool down, I would have gladly done so.
They are a team, and they operate unanimously. So for all of them to come to an agreement must mean something.
Please, everyone, try to understand.

I'm trying to learn here that saying "no comment" is the way to go...I understand...people are curious, they want the back story.
But there comes a point where it's best not to spill all the beans, and it's also not a good idea to speculate how bad he might have been.
I have no idea what else the mods talked about or if there were other similar cases. All I could do is go by the result of their consultation and trust in their wisdom.
There are also those who with all the evidence in the world will go on believing what they want to believe, and perhaps that is their test.
I'm praying here for all concerned, that with time things can be resolved. That includes Tony.

[starsha]

Gosh, you people are amazing. I should make it a habit to check in on this thread more often.

What a yummy energy i keep finding in here.

All i can say is ...

thank you.

[Dawn]

Markoid, how sweet. Relationships with the family we are born into are among the hardest. It can be unbelievably wonderful when heart connections are made again there. My daughter and I are estranged. She has decided I was a horrible mother, and has told many people a number of false things about me. I don't think she is intending to lie, however hatred anger and blame cause people to mis-remember and create their own reality to suit the story their emotions would like to believe. I did a very deep healing on the energies between us a few weeks ago, and within a few days she sent me a glowing letter full of joy and celebration. It soothed my bruised heart.

[transiten]

Ruby and All. This issue evokes my old traumas. I don't want to take sides. I'm so tired. I just want to say that i've been thinking of telling you about my meditation on the 11.11.11 at 11:11. I couldn't stop thinking about how heyoka was doing. I had brought pictures of my beloved dog Pajazzo thinking of the kind PM he sent me after i had posted in some thread that i had put him to rest.

Also i didn't quite understand whether it was Tony/heyoka that Flasky was referring to in the post where she said she met "Tony" IRL?
And by the way, where IS Flasky?

On the other hand i had an uneasy feeling with the posting that went on in this thread. Maybe we could have handled it differently but at the same time he did not accept an excuse.

In Jungian psychology there's a term "The third factor" that kicks in when you're standing in the opposition and can not figure out a solution to a problem. In Christian terms that would be the intervention of "God" who's ways are unfathomable.

[ulli]

Posted by Nora (here)
I have an Astrology question for the Village.

What does it mean when you have a true north node in aries?

Nora

we are all related

The north node is the point where the paths of the sun and the moon cross. It is not a planet.
To really understand that such a point could have meaning and effect one might need to study Carmody's plasma comments.
The north node is often considered an indicator of past lives.
In my experience, whenever a planet hits my north node, which I have in Taurus, I meet someone special.
If that person is a stranger I still get a strange feeling as if I had known them forever.
If someone has a planet on my north node, we could have a past life connection.
If their planet is a difficult one, it could mean that I am carrying some sort of a debt, that I'm now getting a chance to repay in this time round.

[ulli]

Posted by transiten (here)

In Jungian psychology there's a term "The third factor" that kicks in when you're standing in the opposition and can not figure out a solution to a problem. In Christian terms that would be the intervention of "God" who's ways are unfathomable.

Factor one: Affirming
Factor Two: Denying
Factor Three: Reconciling....

that's your God factor, or what Gurdjieff called Third Force.
The bridge. The unifier between two opposite poles.

[modwiz]

Posted by transiten (here)

Posted by modwiz (here)

I have to say that I found the neurolinguistic message here a bit daunting. I will send you some of the distant energy healing you don't believe in because you asked for it and I would like you to feel better.

"Neurolinguistic"? An Aquarian invention? What does it mean? Neurosis something? "Distant" healing how appropriate mr aquarian mod-wit being nr.1

Thankyou All so far, and there came "The Dark" into the "Light" i somehow foresaw. Actually i think this was my prime reason for joining the thread since i knew what transits were going to hit me and ulli didn't do astrology anymore and so i found her here. Even if i can interpret my own transits one wishes someone to give an alternative perspective and just as IRL it's easier to look into anothers chart than into your own...

Neurolinguistic is not referring to neurosis. That would not be polite either. Neurolinguistics is a term used to describe how people use language and the messages that language presents to both the speaker and listener. It is often a way for the Self to get messages past the egoic self. I find it very useful in both my spiritual counseling and bodywork.

[eaglespirit]

Here and Now to Ernie...

Hi Ernie...Wishing You Well!

I believe I shared this with You a number of weeks ago in Your own thread...I am prompted to elaborate right now

Time for a trip/journey away from Your regular surroundings. Your physical and spiritual talents and 'gifts' will enhance Your Own Spirit and the Spirit of someone who is in a very deep spiritual/life rut...Your situation is merely a small pothole in the road in comparison. There is someone that is ahead in Your life on this 'away' trip that Your own experience, strength and hope is going to help turn Their life around in a beautiful way. There is not a thing You have to give them physically...all You have to do is open up and share Your own experiences and wisdom gained...the healing and turnaround will simply unfold from this. This will indirectly help countless People in both of Your lives also.

I pretty much typed this rather quickly as it came...do with it what You will! You have everything You need!.

[Nora]

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by Nora (here)
I have an Astrology question for the Village.

What does it mean when you have a true north node in aries?

Nora

we are all related

The north node is the point where the paths of the sun and the moon cross. It is not a planet.
To really understand that such a point could have meaning and effect one might need to study Carmody's plasma comments.
The north node is often considered an indicator of past lives.
In my experience, whenever a planet hits my north node, which I have in Taurus, I meet someone special.
If that person is a stranger I still get a strange feeling as if I had known them forever.
If someone has a planet on my north node, we could have a past life connection.
If their planet is a difficult one, it could mean that I am carrying some sort of a debt, that I'm now getting a chance to repay in this time round.

Dearest Ulli thank you so much for your clarity..... and I have had some relationships with people like you say.

I sure do get stuck sometimes....

Some of this brings to mind the plasma energy..... I have worked with it quite a bit with people..... the spirits.... directed & direct me to do so.... sometimes -it could be a tooth, knee joint, bone crack or bone out of place or something on deep inner cellular level or outer or below & above cellular level. Believe it or not I do not have a grasp of the plasma energy on a human conscious level.... & geeze I am in no way a true adept at all & I am really learning..... -Carmody being- probably already knows I would say something like this.

I really prefer & resonate to a much finer vibrations than to the heaviness of the 3d earth plane.

Then I had a lesson this summer....a good one. My whole life has been about having a relationship with spirits, intredimentional beings, the spirit world, nature....etc. Then I discovered my human- beingness. To truly be human? How wonderful. I am so grateful for what the beings have done for me & what they do for all. I said the same to them. Then I said that I really want to have that human connection too in my life -that I love being human and feminine. Gratitude to PA. and to the thread of Here & Now has done so much for me to be present & stay present it's truly amazing. There I go crying again. There are times when I feel like a real goofball.

Much much love to you Ulli

Nora

we are all related

[modwiz]

FWIW. The drama of days past is not a here and now subject, but a here and then. I believe a good flush is required to let the debris of the past find a resting place. There are two particulars and the rest of us are spectators with opinions. This will most likely not lead to greater clarity. Let the bruises of bygone days heal. Picking at scabs is never recommended. Transiten, Ernie and Astrid need our attentions.

A little off topic, but since Carmody is with us: I wonder what role diet plays in Karma? I have an opinion, but I know what that will get me. Been there, done that. Whacking a hornets nest would create less disturbance.

I still wonder.

[Caren]

Hi Nora,
funny you should say such a thing "there are times when I feel like a real goofball" (me too)
Like you I have a deep respect for all nature.
I have been experiencing many new things on a spiritual level some of which I don't even understand.
I seem to be crying more often of late as my heart has been full and bursting with love and it has much to do with this beautiful thread and all whom visit here -
So many amazingly gifted and giving souls.
I would like to acknowledge my gratitude for each and everyone of you - thank you from the bottom of my heart.. I love you all

[thunder24]

Posted by modwiz (here)
A little off topic, but since Carmody is with us: I wonder what role diet plays in Karma? I have an opinion, but I know what that will get me. Been there, done that. Whacking a hornets nest would create less disturbance.

I still wonder.

hahahahahhahhahhhhah

[astrid]

Ernie I thank you for your courage to be vulnerable and ask for help .
And that certainly a courageous act.
Until 5 or so years ago things were pretty grim for me, it was all about survival,
from one horror relationship after another, i was constantly fighting for my life in one
way or another. After much effort and having to resort to all sorts of things,
most involving having to do things in secret and being in constant fear, I got out .

But my life was in a total mess, I had savings from a house I had sold in secret
so i could take some time out thankfully, but getting back on my feet was
much harder than I had thought . It got to the point where I had spent all of my
savings on living and huge mortgage and now it was getting serious .
Of course me being me I was putting on the "happy face" and none of
my friends knew of this all going on. Stupidly i was totally attached to this
gorgeous high victorian house that I could afford.
I really thought i would get back into my work and be fine but I didn't
estimate the toll all those relationships had on my mental health .

So crunch time was me letting the bank foreclose or putting
the call out for help . I was never one to ask for help and
it was a close call. But like you I found the courage and everything
moved in the other direction pretty fast after that .

And it turned out people really like to help others .
It also turned out that not being able to receive was what was
creating alot of my blocks . Energy has to be able to be in a constant flow .
What I found too was that trying things that keep
giving me dead ends or negative results is a sure
sign that it's not the best course of action.
Path of least resistance ,'etc .'
I found that understanding the universal laws to cruciial.
Simple put , you can't get very far if you are always swimming up stream.
Also knowing that this is indeed "earth school " and everything is a
learning helps alot . It takes the heat out off things and shifts your
view point . Shifting perception can turn a life around pretty fast .
Sharing things with those who have walked the path and got through
is also a fast way home .

Ernie you are in the right place at the right time.
Come and rest your weary bones in the
village R and R centre and be prepared for
Magic to happen .
You are loved more than you know
and you have help all around just waiting
to assist.

Welcome home .

Be love
Astrid

[astrid]

Here and now for me ... I'm cherishing my Sunday
Sleep in after finally getting to sleep last night.
Plans for the day are to spend time in the garden and with
my dogs. they both need a bath and a clip .
Going to really hydrate myself today dont think
i drank enough water yesterday . Funny how just water
can taste so sweet . I did hear about that how
Fasting makes appreciate tastes so much.
And when u do start eating again it's one taste
Orgasm after another.Looking forward to that, lol

Ravens out front crowing to me .i have a special
relationship with them, there is always a Raven
close by to me. Last house I even had a Raven
nest on my property. They are quite magical and
Mystical birds , taught me many things .

[Sierra]

Posted by Ruby L. (here)
I'd like to bring up a few things that've been going around in my head. It concerns me that, because of one incident on this thread --one event in 130 pages of postings (and even then, it had to do with a pm) -- Tony has been publicly painted out to be a dysfunctional sicko.

Ruby, no one has painted Heyoka_11 as a "dysfunctional sicko". I don't know how to address your vision here, I am simply not wise enough. I think you are speaking with your anger.

Everyone makes mistakes and, for what happened here, he made one. My opinion remains that he wasn't alone in the reason for his blow up-- but still, for his part: Yes, he could've approached the matter in a more subtle way. But we're all human, and what's done is done.

No one is ever alone in a blow up, but each and everyone of us is responsible for the words we use during a blow up. We are also responsible for the clean up we do, how we mend fences, how we negotiate a resolution, how we smooth each other's ruffled feathers.

However, by being put on an immediate vacation and banned from this thread, he was neither given a chance to state his reasons or side of the story, nor has he able to defend himself since.

No one banned gets to present their side of the story, they are banned, how can they? I can say from my side of the mod fence, when banned users come back, their actions, attitudes and words, show they "get" it. They understand where they bent the guidelines too far, and for the most part, they move on and continue to be productive happy members of the forum. If not, it usually means they eventually and inevitably get banned for continuing bad behavior. It is what it is.

And really, there've been people in the forum who, with far more serious wrong-doings, have been pulled to the side and were, at least, given a warning to cool it.

This thread moves FAST. This means (for me anyway) I didn't have time to assess my own level of discomfort with the dialog nor analyze it. Quite a few people were uncomfortable with the roughness of the sport, but thought:

• They were alone in their discomfort
• They were too intimidated to say anything so went along with it
• They didn't know what to say since the thread was moving too fast to stop and analyze their discomfort
• They were of the opposite gender and the roughness kicked the aeons of enforced silence on such things

It's all done now, but do we pass judgement and carry on, or are we going to take this opportunity to really learn from this?

I think we are learning quite a bit. I have issues with anger too. Personally, just by being on Avalon, I have learned an enormous amount about my own anger, and how to handle it responsibly, and without harm towards others. I hope Tony sticks around and learns too.

Anyway, why should I care?

Because you do.

For one, I view this forum --this community and gathering of people from different parts of the world-- as a potential model for how we, spiritual brothers and sisters, can co-exist and grow together on a planet that's going increasingly crazy. We, in Avalon, might not always be in total agreement with one another, but I'd like to think that we can, at least, try to learn, understand, and guide each other. Talk the talk and walk the walk.

That is the goal.

What went on in the pm between Ulli and Tony, no one here can say and, for now, we can only take Ulli's word for what happened.

What was said on the thread was rude, hostile and not according to the guidelines. Temporary ban ensued.

But, to go so far as drop in that Tony is possibly a paid disinfo agent, planted here to purposely disrupt and derail this thread; or that, because of an assumed dyfunctionality in his family history, he lives and operates behind a mask, and is completely unable to function as a loving human being… that's not giving a side of the story, that's going for a public character kill. Totally unnecessary, and very ugly.

You are twisting Ulli's words. I think if I were to say anything at this point, it would not be heard, and whatever I said would inflame the situation. I'll simply say, I am uncomfortable reading your words.

I won't go on about the virtues of Tony; anyone who's read his other posts in other threads, or who've been reached out to by him when things were getting tough for them, will have a feel for his spirit. But, for me to sit here and read that he's been disruptive and annoying in this thread from the beginning, when actually the problem has to do with a heated disagreement in a pm just two days ago; to read that he's a lost cause-- unhelpable, long gone, and nothing but an sick, angry person… it's not on.

Again, I think you are speaking with anger and with exaggeration. I also disagree with your analysis. *Many* people spoke up post mortem about their discomfort on the thread with Tony's badinage:

1. badinage
Banter is the touching upon some fault, weakness, or fancied secret of another in a way half to pique and half to please;
Synonyms: banter, badinage, derision, jeering, raillery, sarcasm, chaff, irony, mockery, ridicule, satire

We are still processing this event. It is still ongoing. We are reverberating and exchanging energy, thoughts and feelings. Let's not assume where it is *here and now*, is where it will end up. Apologies and regrets have been offered by many, which leads me to believe *nothing* has been written in stone ... and soon Tony will return and we can go from there.

And ... as usual Ruby, the admin/mods cannot share the information they use to reach a decision, that some members may disagree with. Someone always disagrees with our decisions ... Please believe me though, a lot of discussion takes place, and we do not do what we do, lightly. We love Avalon, and we assume members love to be here too, and it would hurt them to lose the privilege of being on Avalon.

[Marianne]

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmaKSpTIJzI

[ulli]

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)

Posted by transiten (here)
WOW Calz What an energyboost, just what I needed...

One of our valued Villagers enjoyed this so why not share it with the rest of the Village???

From James Gilliland and posted in the Ranch thread:

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2l5Z9T_x8A

Hi Calz, I watched it just now, as earlier today my Internet connection was playing up.
This is just great. Thanks for sharing.

[Carmody]

The light, By the way, is also a sound. A sound so strong, so intense, all permeating that the idea of it rattling your bones is far too weak of a comparison. It permeates all life, all being, all thought, all existence, all presence and awareness, it dominates all. All time, all awareness, everything but the light and the sound as a single moment of now that has no beginning and no end.

the sound of the light is slightly de-tuned, it is a complex Solfeggio scale harmonic of multiple notes. There is a 'sound' scientific reason for that.

This reminds me of it:

The Deep and Lovely Quiet

(this is the only link I can find on the net, of the original mix, which is the correct one. Do not download it, just play it from that player)

[ulli]

Posted by Carmody (here)
The light, By the way, is also a sound. A sound so strong, so intense, all permeating that the idea of it rattling your bones is far too weak of a comparison. It permeates all life, all being, all thought, all existence, all presence and awareness, it dominates all. All time, all awareness, everything but the light and the sound as a single moment of now that has no beginning and no end.

the sound of the light is slightly de-tuned, it is a complex Solfeggio scale harmonic of multiple notes. There is a 'sound' scientific reason for that.

This reminds me of it:

The Deep and Lovely Quiet

(this is the only link I can find on the net, of the original mix, which is the correct one. Do not download it, just play it from that player)

hmmm...it says: your country (Barbados) is not supported.
Shucks.

[Carmody]

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by Carmody (here)
The light, By the way, is also a sound. A sound so strong, so intense, all permeating that the idea of it rattling your bones is far too weak of a comparison. It permeates all life, all being, all thought, all existence, all presence and awareness, it dominates all. All time, all awareness, everything but the light and the sound as a single moment of now that has no beginning and no end.

the sound of the light is slightly de-tuned, it is a complex Solfeggio scale harmonic of multiple notes. There is a 'sound' scientific reason for that.

This reminds me of it:

The Deep and Lovely Quiet

(this is the only link I can find on the net, of the original mix, which is the correct one. Do not download it, just play it from that player)

hmmm...it says: your country (Barbados) is not supported.
Shucks.

Try this one. it is the Bersarin Quartett version.

http://www.mrtzcmp3.net/Bersarin_Qua..._Quiet_1s.html