Seeking psychelp for being awake.

[<8>]

Hi..



I have been thinking on and of about testing my sanity at a Registered psychologists, not just for my own benefit.
To be honest with you, one part of me are more interested to see if i can convert him or her, maybe awake him/her are the word or just plant a seed at least.

Why am i doing this, well normal people seem to shutdown when you go deeper into interesting topics. Dont get me wrong, i love the sleepers
but it's like being in a country we barely understood ecouter, you get by in your daily life, but the people lack the understanding and mostly the will to discuss deeper.


Can this experiment of mine be a waste of time?? Of course it depends a lot on how open minded the psycholog are, how things workout.

Is there anyone here who had a real deep and meaningful conversation with a psycholog, on the different topics we talk about here on Avalon??

[RMorgan]

Well, It´s always good to check our sanity when we experience weird things in our lives. I´ve done that and have passed trough all exams. I´m a 100% certificated sane man.

Some psychologists are pretty nice and wise, but It´s hard to have a deep conversation with them, specially when you´re paying such expensive hourly fees.

IMHO, you´ll not succeed in convincing or converting any of them, because they are not there for it. They are there to analyze you, and will use several tactics to engage a "productive" talking with you. If they feel the way to understand you is to agree with you, they will agree with you. If they feel the way is to confront you, they will confront you. It doesn´t mean that they truly agree or not.

They will always have control over the conversation, but will make everything to convince you that you´re the one who is controlling it. It´s their job, you know.

Their job is not to be open minded, it´s to be as unbiased and neutral as possible.

Ps: Of course, there are several lines of psychologists...Make a research to find what´s the best for you.

[Carmody]

Do not professionally engage them, with such thinking and desires, as you will be leaving yourself open to their interpretation of your reality, regarding your legal incarceration into a given care facility.

If they are of that system, their ego will try to maintain control until the last (as it does for everyone), and thus their fears will rise and they WILL invoke their egoic protection mechanism which comes in the form of their trump card of the ability to legally and freely deign you as needing correction via incarceration and observation/intervention.

I have a friend whom I'd like to 'open up', simply by engaging him in a direct fashion. I cannot even begin the attempt..for his job entails the direct 'hands on' handling of 250-300 lives at a time, all day. He is an airline pilot. Any attempts to clear him, can endanger them. So..no go.

[christian]

I talked with a psychotherapist, actually I was in his class, but I quit after a week. He says by definition I have optic hallucinations, because there is no such thing as an aura. Because true is just, what is the actual mainstream scientific view. Same for the UFO/orb, that I saw. I shared some more things, I don't remember exactly, I could see how I posed a threat to his world view and how this was enhanced by being the wise-ass, that I am, when it came to summarizing a lecture, he could see that I'm not just stupid. For what it's worth, I don't know, there is opportunity to learn in everything, so I gave him some and I had mine for sure, I now know that psychotherapy won't help me very much in helping people.

[passiglight]

They already are awake,,,,,,,,they are just better at the game than you,,,,,,,,,,,

Carl Jung,,,,,,,,,,,lol

peace energy

[RMorgan]

Yeah...Jung was a special man, that´s for sure.

[NeverMind]

For what it's worth, <8>, I am a clinical psychologist, among other things, and people's psyche is the one thing that I know well, within human limits, of course. (Not because I studied psychology, but rather the other way around: I studied it because I have always been interested in it.)

Drawing on what I have seen and experienced, I can tell you there is a single maxim that all people seem to find useful (but few follow :-)), and that is:

I DON'T KNOW.

This means that:

a) everyone has their own path, and there may be deeper, valid reasons for their apparent modus operandi;

b) you - meaning anyone, practically - do not know what other people are thinking, how much they listen (or not) to others, or what their experience of life is.

The world is full of misunderstanding; entire lives have been built - or destroyed - based on misperception and misunderstandings.
But misunderstandings can ONLY wreak havoc if people do not recognise the limitations of their own perception.

Remember and repeat to yourself: I DON'T KNOW.

Remember that at all times, but especially when you find something or somebody exasperating or worse. It will give you instant relief because, deep down, you will know that this, if nothing else, is the truth.

Good luck. :-)

[Marianne]

8, it looks like you've got some wise counsel here, and I don't have anything to add to it.
I just wanted you to know I send you best wishes and much love on your path.

Junebug

[Cartomancer]

I went through a similar experience. Was called crazy. I've even had some harassment personally from people I don't even know! Just from writing and making videos on the internet.

David Icke speaks of his experiences when he first started out. He took a lot of abuse, questioned himself and came out stronger on the other side. One thing is for sure: Too much gnosis too fast can be damaging to your psyche and others opinions of you. Bravo to you for stating your feelings anyway. Check out the David Icke video about his return to the Wogon show in the UK. Just remember there are people here willing to listen. Even if they think what you are saying is outrageous you will find willing listeners here.

Really all I am saying in my work is that people built buildings and monuments that point to each other. I have had people who espouse the most outrageous unbelievable theories scoff at that. Hang in there and it will get better. If you think it makes sense then it does.

[Debby]

[YOUTUBEhttp://youtu.be/zalsPjPcUh8][/YOUTUBE]
I watched this a few months ago and is really intresting


I think i did it wrong; here is the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zalsPjPcUh8

[Marianne]

Here you go Debby:

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zalsPjPcUh8

(just press the You tube icon and paste the 11-digits after v= in the you tube URL)

[Strat]

I really liked that post Nevermind.

I've been thinking lately whether or not 'converting' someone is a wise thing to do. The lingo and mannerisms used in this process are similar to that of a religious person, pressing religious views on to another. This point can be argued to a great extent, but the big picture is the same: person A is pressing their views on person B. If person B doesn't agree with person A's belief structure, then they are considered blind. This often leads to someone getting upset.

I don't necessarily discuss 'esoteric' information with people anymore. If you meet someone and they go straight to aliens and conspiracy theory, it will be hard not to view them in a different light if your not open to the material. Is that human reaction right or wrong? I don't know but it is very prevalent with our society. If you want to effectively communicate with someone, you have to be able to circumvent these psychological filters.

Now, I just said I don't discuss this information, but I don't hide my beliefs either. I've found that the best way for me to open minds up is to be funny. I'm comfortable with myself, I know my facts better than most people I associate with (not saying much), and I have honed my social skills over the years. I am a verbal samurai (I stole that line from John West). Making a group of people laugh, while using factual information is a powerful thing. That is when people start asking questions like, "No, seriously, $2 trillion dollars went missing." I've never done this while having a serious debate. Some people just don't want to hear it, but if you can make them like you, they will listen.

[NeverMind]

I am glad you brought up this very important point, Strat.
Not knowing - being aware of our own limitations in perceiving and/or processing the appearance of others - does not mean one should shrug off everything or, indeed, hide one's views. Not at all.

The "I don't know" actually facilitates interaction, in the sense that there is no longer an inner arrogant interpreter present policing who is "worthy" of or capable of understanding our words and who is not.
People can surprise us all the time (but only because of preconceived notions of who they are :-)).

But of course, this doesn't mean that all people are equally interested - or capable - of understanding all things at all times.
Then it's the time to remember that everyone has their own path.

So, I can only repeat what I think I said in another thread: lead (and "convert") by being a living example of whatever it is you believe.
And, by all means, a convincing word at the right time may open someone's eyes. Or, even more important, warm someone's heart.

If it doesn't seem to (or even if it does!), then it's the time to remember that... eh, I don't really know how or what that person is thinking or experiencing life. :-)

[Anchor]

Posted by <8> (here)
I have been thinking on and of about testing my sanity at a Registered psychologists, not just for my own benefit.
To be honest with you, one part of me are more interested to see if i can convert him or her, maybe awake him/her are the word or just plant a seed at least.

Really bad idea IMHO.

Re-read Carmody's response.

Quite apart from that, records will probably be kept and these can have incalculable impact on your life - and it is unlikely to be convenient.

[Omni connexae!]

Posted by <8> (here)
I have been thinking on and of about testing my sanity at a Registered psychologists, not just for my own benefit.
To be honest with you, one part of me are more interested to see if i can convert him or her, maybe awake him/her are the word or just plant a seed at least.

Why am i doing this, well normal people seem to shutdown when you go deeper into interesting topics. Dont get me wrong, i love the sleepers
but it's like being in a country we barely understood ecouter, you get by in your daily life, but the people lack the understanding and mostly the will to discuss deeper.


Can this experiment of mine be a waste of time?? Of course it depends a lot on how open minded the psycholog are, how things workout.

Is there anyone here who had a real deep and meaningful conversation with a psycholog, on the different topics we talk about here on Avalon??

Plz dont take this the wrong way:

(your view) :
1. I belive in something.

2. 'They' don't believe in something.

3. What I belive in, is 'clearly more rational(?)' then what they believe in... infact, they are sleepers.

4. How can I show them they are sleepers? and what will this entail? Will it be intresting to find out how sleeper learn? what sleepers believe?





at what point do you ask... "am I the sleeper?"

[Wantsthetruth74]

I think that all the ppl that are still "asleep" which is probably 95% or more, have a genuine mental deficit. The ones who see what's really going on are the real sane people.