Is it possible that realities for people will split within different dimensions?

[AMystic3434]

Is it possible that when the shift occurs that not everyone will go to the same place when they acend. Because within each dimension there are also muliple dimensions and realities that you exist on. Maybe people will be spread out amongst the 3rd and 4th dimentional realities depending on there vibration.

[Mark]

The russian scientist Dr. Stankov says that some people will go to the lower 5th dimension others who have done more soul work will go to the higher 5th dimension. He says that the lower 5th is still material so you will have a body by default, while the higher is purely ethereal. The entire concept of dimensions as it is used by the new age community is really confusing anyway as it does not correspond the scientific understanding of dimensions, which are primarily physical in nature. I find the concept of density to be better when refering to states of consciousness.

[craig mitchell]

For the last several years I have intuitively felt, and saw the image in my mind of a "split' occurring between 3d and 4d just as in mitosis in cell generation. My timeline is for the 4th and higher and I refute any lower 3d reality. Those that refuse to learn, or knowingly continue to do what they were up to during historical dramas, such as Atlantis, will be able to continue their sad greedy games in the 3d earth or some other place appropriate to their low vib cravings.

Regards, Craig

[pilotsimone]

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[9eagle9]

People already have split realities, alternate realities, different perceptions (which is what reality is based in how we process it or not process it) and access to multidimensional expressions so I'm not sure why that would change. Its very much up to the individual. It's a given that we create our own reality, so it doesn't seem strange to me that people would be divided or choose different realitys. Whether those realities are truthful, or non illusionary, is again up to the invidual.

[NeverMind]

OP, I believe that is exactly what happens in any case, regardless of any "shifts" - when people die.
(Perhaps even sooner than that. :-))

And you are creating that abode right now.

[TraineeHuman]

In my experience, sometimes higher-dimensional beings look like a point of light. But then they may show themselves as having a shape, which I understand to be a 4D body. But that shape still looks pretty ethereal compared to a physical or a solid physical object. So, what looks ethereal may be relative to where you're at.

A different point I would make is that the 3D world is actually a group creation, created purely through mutual agreement, and by all humans, animals, minerals and vegetables, and nature spirits. If many of us all happen to acquire the ability to create a 4D world or a 5D world for us to re-incarnate into, we may well re-incarnate there for our next life. But in the meantime, we should appreciate that before being born into 3D we agreed to submit to the rules of 3D as far as our body is concerned. Unless we happen to have mastery in certain very specialised and advanced abilities, I believe we can't undo that commitment until after we die -- and probably not for some time after that too. And since we go to the middle-to-lower(but not lowest) part of the 4D world at the time we die, maybe that's when the issue of creating a new, golden-age world will become more real and more intelligible to us.

[blufire]

I always find these threads fascinating and quite frankly very sad. I feel these thoughts and perceptions that we have to be “special” or vibrate “higher” or “better” very tragic.

Why is it that we cannot accept and thrive and love being 3D humans?

We have NO factual proof that there even are other dimensions or people that have switched timelines or that the “good works” that we do here in this place and time will “earn” us a place in a “better or higher dimension”. If these are things we all are supposed to be achieving then why are they theoretically and factually impossible?

Oh yes . . . I can see some clicking and loading this video clip and this guru and this important man said this or that . . . .

It is very sad and tragic.

I have absolutely nothing against striving to be the best we can be or searching and learning or wondering and loving or even becoming rightfully angry at the many injustices of the world.

I judge any of these types of philosophies with the following test: Is the information, knowledge or so called “truth” available to ALL humans across the earth, past, present or even future. Can the “regular” human achieve it or do you have to be special or in an elite group? If so I feel it is not truth.

It is another element that keeps us divided and unable to unite and meld together.

The Only Truth I feel at this point in my life is at the point of “shifting” (whatever that is) we ALL and I mean ALL of us will be released from this dualistic linear existence. ALL of our souls, life force, energy (however the little sucker is vibrating) will reunite back into The Time that has no beginning or end . . . . it folds and melds.

But right now in this place and time we ARE 3D and all beauty and wonder that it means and holds. Don’t spend your life hating this existence and wishing you were in another dimension or timeline. Grass is always greener on the other side don’t you know.

Okay . . . . I’m ready for the backlash . . . .

[xion]

I agree with you bluefire.

Is the information, knowledge or so called “truth” available to ALL humans across the earth, past, present or even future. Can the “regular” human achieve it or do you have to be special or in an elite group? If so I feel it is not truth.

I stated similar in my previous posts. https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...912#post318912

The change is already happening, and its meant for all the people of the Earth. If it wasn't it wouldn't be called a change. I agree that maybe "some" will achieve some sort of enlightenment, and maybe some will ascend, but who knows.
There will always be people who will dedicate their lives to meditation to achieve enlightenment, no matter if the change is coming, if asteroids are falling, if battles are being fought, no matter of surrounding, people can still achieve it. It has been written throughout the history.
But to say that we are all going through some mayor planetary change in consciousness and that only some people will ascend, vanish to a higher dimension or wherever and the rest of people will stay behind is arrogant and small minded.

A lot of people are hyped with Mayan dates, and expecting instant something is going to happen on a certain date. If it does, nobody is gonna be more happier than me. I'm all in for that. But I don't think thats the way it works.
To achieve all that wonders of a human consciousness, and I don't even wanna mention enlightenment, it needs a lots and lots and lots and lots and lots of time and dedication.
I really hope, pray and dream that something will shake all the people of the Earth, and that we can all start thinking strait and move on to something constructive than this we have.
But something deep inside me is telling me that we have a lot of work ahead of us.
We made a really big mess of our planet and our society, and you all know that we can achieve wonders if we put our minds into it.

[Mad Hatter]

Mad Hatter dons his observers cap...

So I look at something that has survived for millenia longer than Homo Sapiens and I find a planet...

I see that almost everything in the nature of the way the planet goes about the survival business can be broken down into interlocking processes of exquisite simplicity...

This leads me to wondering if the solution to the question of becoming enlightened, ascending if you will, does not break down into something of equal exquisite simplicity..

If...we have all agreed to be here to help clean up this mess then surely we would be given the tools to achieve such...

This then causes me to wonder if the total population is balanced against the equivalent number of linear lifetimes to carry out the task...

Which then begs the question...would an exquisitely simple enough key, turned by each of us simultaneously, get the job done in just one day...

Hence my penchant for not being too fond of solutions that require 20 years of navel gazing in order to understand.

To address the OPs query, if there is an infinite field of potential containing an infinite number of dimensions and thus realities to explore and if free will exists this must simply come down to individual choice... Who knows we might even have the choice to be conciously aware of living in a 1000 dimension at once!!

Since I'm lousy at playing multi level chess and from my current vanatge point I fail to observe anything more than 4D, then for the moment this reality, for me, will have to do.

[king anthony]

Posted by AMystic3434 (here)
...when the shift occurs... go to the same place when they acend... each dimension there are also muliple dimensions and realities that you exist on... vibration.

I say, what is this shift that is continuously spoken of!? There is no shift that was, is or will be - there has been, is now and will be change. The thought and discussion of accession is for "feel good" based on emotion and the descriptive phrase some/many use to describe this "feel good" is "it resonates with me".

Throughout history, religions have been used to deceive the masses, keeping fact/truth from them; as well, disciplined those who worship to be unconditionally subservient regardless if the master, such as "those others", is present in numbers.

Those who worship, in the traditional sense, have a belief that they will be taken to the "kingdom of heaven" and hardly ever ask "and then what". Knowing why human beings are by seeking, finding and accepting fact/truth is key to understanding "and then what".

I say, be careful what one asks for, for they might just get it.

Others who do not share the same type of belief system as stated above, spend their days in discussion of past lives and diverting responsibility of now to another life or existence in another dimension - as if this is.

Is this not human ego/arrogance that has made human beings into something more then what they are - while implying and imposing that there is some sort of right of passage to go elsewhere even when failure is!?

I say to all, be grounded in thought and body for this is who you are - (re)learn to think with clarity, objectively, logically and enjoy the human experience of emotion in its proper time and place. Lest, what has been over and over will continue to be again and again.

Is this a place for the promotion of feel good or a place for the promotion of facts and truths?

[blufire]

king anthony . . .thank you so much for this response and very wise words.

I feel many have a hard time understanding that even the New Age movement and beliefs is also a religion. Anytime you have to adhere to an “authority” (even if you believe it to be yourself (as god) and this authority tells you unless you do “these things” you will not be allowed into the next dimension or “heaven” it is not Truth.

The problem I see and that concerns me greatly is our human need to “belong” to something . . . .we seem to almost require someone else to lead the way or tell us what to do.

We as humanity are very easily lulled and manipulated.

Posted by king anthony (here)

Posted by AMystic3434 (here)
...when the shift occurs... go to the same place when they acend... each dimension there are also muliple dimensions and realities that you exist on... vibration.

I say, what is this shift that is continuously spoken of!? There is no shift that was, is or will be - there has been, is now and will be change. The thought and discussion of accession is for "feel good" based on emotion and the descriptive phrase some/many use to describe this "feel good" is "it resonates with me".

Throughout history, religions have been used to deceive the masses, keeping fact/truth from them; as well, disciplined those who worship to be unconditionally subservient regardless if the master, such as "those others", is present in numbers.

Those who worship, in the traditional sense, have a belief that they will be taken to the "kingdom of heaven" and hardly ever ask "and then what". Knowing why human beings are by seeking, finding and accepting fact/truth is key to understanding "and then what".

I say, be careful what one asks for, for they might just get it.

Others who do not share the same type of belief system as stated above, spend their days in discussion of past lives and diverting responsibility of now to another life or existence in another dimension - as if this is.

Is this not human ego/arrogance that has made human beings into something more then what they are - while implying and imposing that there is some sort of right of passage to go elsewhere even when failure is!?

I say to all, be grounded in thought and body for this is who you are - (re)learn to think with clarity, objectively, logically and enjoy the human experience of emotion in its proper time and place. Lest, what has been over and over will continue to be again and again.

Is this a place for the promotion of feel good or a place for the promotion of facts and truths?

[pilotsimone]

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[starsha]

Posted by blufire (here)
I always find these threads fascinating and quite frankly very sad. I feel these thoughts and perceptions that we have to be “special” or vibrate “higher” or “better” very tragic.

Why is it that we cannot accept and thrive and love being 3D humans?

We have NO factual proof that there even are other dimensions or people that have switched timelines or that the “good works” that we do here in this place and time will “earn” us a place in a “better or higher dimension”. If these are things we all are supposed to be achieving then why are they theoretically and factually impossible?

Is the information, knowledge or so called “truth” available to ALL humans across the earth, past, present or even future. Can the “regular” human achieve it or do you have to be special or in an elite group? If so I feel it is not truth. [/B]

It is another element that keeps us divided and unable to unite and meld together.


But right now in this place and time we ARE 3D and all beauty and wonder that it means and holds. Don’t spend your life hating this existence and wishing you were in another dimension or timeline. Grass is always greener on the other side don’t you know.

Okay . . . . I’m ready for the backlash . . . .

Posted by king anthony (here)

Posted by AMystic3434 (here)
...when the shift occurs... go to the same place when they acend... each dimension there are also muliple dimensions and realities that you exist on... vibration.

I say, what is this shift that is continuously spoken of!? There is no shift that was, is or will be - there has been, is now and will be change. The thought and discussion of accession is for "feel good" based on emotion and the descriptive phrase some/many use to describe this "feel good" is "it resonates with me".

Throughout history, religions have been used to deceive the masses, keeping fact/truth from them; as well, disciplined those who worship to be unconditionally subservient regardless if the master, such as "those others", is present in numbers.

Those who worship, in the traditional sense, have a belief that they will be taken to the "kingdom of heaven" and hardly ever ask "and then what". Knowing why human beings are by seeking, finding and accepting fact/truth is key to understanding "and then what".

I say, be careful what one asks for, for they might just get it.

Others who do not share the same type of belief system as stated above, spend their days in discussion of past lives and diverting responsibility of now to another life or existence in another dimension - as if this is.

Is this not human ego/arrogance that has made human beings into something more then what they are - while implying and imposing that there is some sort of right of passage to go elsewhere even when failure is!?

I say to all, be grounded in thought and body for this is who you are - (re)learn to think with clarity, objectively, logically and enjoy the human experience of emotion in its proper time and place. Lest, what has been over and over will continue to be again and again.

Is this a place for the promotion of feel good or a place for the promotion of facts and truths?

Exactly. The grass is always greener on the other side, in another moment, or in another dimension. All this fantasizing about the future is just creating more dangling carrots for the human race.

Thanks to Blufire and King Anthony for being the voice of reason and clarity. The reality is, and what we do know, is that we are here now. Why do we need to make things more complicated than that? Because we don't like it here. Because we don't like the discomforts of life and so instead of dealing with it head on, we look to find a way to escape it. What if there is no escape?

King Anthony says ....
Is this not human ego/arrogance that has made human beings into something more then what they are - while implying and imposing that there is some sort of right of passage to go elsewhere even when failure is!?

This is it exactly, in this case though, i would call it 'spiritual' ego or spiritual arrogance. The notion that the spiritual elite get to go to a 'higher' dimension, or ascend to a better, or more special place than others is ego. To me a person with little ego doesn't see them self as any different than anyone else, they are honest, real and ordinary ... just another ant in the pile.

Letting go of seeking for 'better' higher and more, is the only way to actually embrace what is here now ... and live life as it is ... and see things as they really are. I think the reason so few want to do this is because this makes us realize and face our limitations, and the ego would rather be 'above all that'.

[pilotsimone]

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[Camilo]

I think the law of attraction will take care of it, and everyone will end up where they belong.

[starsha]

Posted by pilotsimone (here)
What about those of us who have proven it to ourselves? Those of us who are moving around consciously in places we've never been (or remembered). Major things happening in our lives that have never happened before. Are we to keep it to ourselves when we see threads where it makes sense to participate?

I'm seeing two kinds of people lately. Those who need proof of everything before they'll try anything (usually fear of failure types) or those who will try anything because they want information.

Now, there's not to say there isn't a process to remembering. You have to rid yourself of your old identity (old fears/pains need to move out of your body). Clean house, so to speak, so you are clear to receive more information.

The hardest part about this is trying to verbalize what occurs beyond the rational mind. A telepathic baby could understand what I mean, it's that simple. But to try and put into words (let alone prove! ha.) is practically impossible. This is why discernment on the part of everyone else is so important. Hopefully, everyone will learn to trust their bodies and intuition more than their minds. It's an absolute must at this point in time.

The Only Truth I feel at this point in my life is at the point of “shifting” (whatever that is) we ALL and I mean ALL of us will be released from this dualistic linear existence. ALL of our souls, life force, energy (however the little sucker is vibrating) will reunite back into The Time that has no beginning or end . . . . it folds and melds.

This is the way I feel it too. But, certainly you can understand not all people will be on the same path, at the same point. Some have more baggage to purge than others, it's all very individual. I have been purging for almost three years. Some have more fear, so it will take longer.

On one hand I see the shift as a purging of old energy that no longer serves us (think anger, jealously, unworthiness, doubt, shame). On the other hand I see it is energy/information now being made available to everyone. As if new kinds of rays are coming from the sun…and the more you clean out your bodies the more information you can bring in. Any sensitive person can tell you we do not live on the same planet we did just two years ago. Things have shifted dramatically. It's very exciting.

But right now in this place and time we ARE 3D and all beauty and wonder that it means and holds. Don’t spend your life hating this existence and wishing you were in another dimension or timeline. Grass is always greener on the other side don’t you know.

I didn’t see anyone on this thread hating existence. Again, you projected that. When you create these dramatic statements, it seems you really have no interest in speaking with integrity. You have something you find frustrating and you're using this particular thread to vent.

How hard was it to come on a thread and speak like you did? How hard was it to point out that much of what takes place beyond the 3D is impossible to prove?
I think your post was unfair. Some of us have a lot to share through our own experiences. I understand there is a sect of people who don't want information from anyone but scientists. I honor that. Please honor those of us who wish to do our own research and report back. You may just find we have value on this board.

Nice post Pilotsimone ... i see a bit of a different spin on it myself, but i do agree with most of what you are saying here ... and i can certainly appreciate you wanting to speak from a place of sharing your direct experiences rather than create more elitism by needing everything proven with science.

Personally though, i didn't see Blufire projecting. The OP states

"Maybe people will be spread out amongst the 3rd and 4th dimentional realities depending on their vibration."

to me this does mean that the higher someone is vibrating, the higher they will go when they 'ascend'. Maybe it is my own projection here as well, but the OP seems to be pointing to spiritual elitism.

My understanding of projection is it is when someone takes a comment overly personally because they are in denial of a 'shortcoming' within themselves that the other person touches on. Usually something that they would rather not address head on, and prefer to keep it buried and hidden because they are attached to their 'special' picture of themself. For example if i say to you "i think you are stupid because you are an apple" you would simply say "i am sorry you are mistaken, i am not an apple."

If on some level you have a strong aversion to apples, and you have a personal identification to that aversion, my comment about apples would bother you. you would then react when i said those words about apples, and try to defend yourself, or even attack me, to get me to move away from talking about apples. If you are in denial about an aversion to apples, and try to cover that up with talking about how special oranges are, then it would bother you even more if i start talking about apples, or saying that you are an apple.

To me that is projection. And really, i don't know that anyone can really tell if another person is projecting or not. It can be hard to tell if someone is taking something personally or not. I think you can only tell if you yourself is reacting to something that someone else said. Being honest with yourself (and accepting of yourself as you are) is the way to go IMO.

[starsha]

Posted by pilotsimone (here)

Posted by starsha (here)
Letting go of seeking for 'better' higher and more, is the only way to actually embrace what is here now ... and live life as it is ... and see things as they really are. I think the reason so few want to do this is because this makes us realize and face our limitations, and the ego would rather be 'above all that'.

Thank you, you just nailed it! Right here. Most still believe there are limitations. Or rather ego keeps playing this song to you. I promise, promise, promise this is a fallacy. There are no limitations. You just have to learn to master these gifts. You have everything you need. Do the work and find out for yourselves. Practice alchemy, meditate, work with entheogens. There are so many tools at your disposal.

Resist doing the work and your frustration/confusion will not only continue, it will compound. Trust me. I used to learn everything the hard way.


I really do wish to put good energy into this thread. I hope I am.

Thanks Pilotsimone But i didn't mean face your limitations in the sense that there are none.

Everyone has limitations, and there is nothing wrong with that! Personally i think it would be more 'positive' to say yes you do have limitations, but you are still worthy of love and appreciation, just exactly as you are. Trying to maintain that there are no limitations puts a lot of pressure on people, and just encourages a further denial of it. Which leads to more seeking, more projecting, and more defending. IMO.

I mean really. If you stop right now, and say

"i am worthy of love, appreciation, and acceptance .... right now, just as i am, limitations and all."

Doesn't that feel more honest than to say

"there are no limitations to being human" ?

Though perhaps i am misunderstanding you and we are actually saying the same thing with different words. If so just ignore me.

[norman]

These long rehearsed arguments are nuts. It's class war and snobbery.

Only the blessed rich say it's not about money.

Only the angry can forgive.

Only the snobs say, you don't understand.


Ever wonder where the idea of division came from, folks? Some go to lower 5th, some go to higher 5th, jeezz, sounds like the same old same old to me.

My Mother came from a family of house service people. That is, doing and fetching for well -ooff people. My Dad came from a mountain farming family who scratched a living on their own. I tell you, they were Chalk n Cheese. So totally different in every way. Never should have got together, unless it was to create me.

You can live in the "higher" place and find yourself serving and being barked at. You can livew in the "lower" place and be your own master. Ok, you might even be luckier than that.

But, don't just assume that the higher place is a better deal, especially if you get there by fancying it too much in the first place.

[king anthony]

Posted by starsha (here)
...i would call it 'spiritual' ego or spiritual arrogance...

Again, this elevates human beings to something more then what is.

***POST EDIT***

The word "spirit" has a traditional meaning to most; even if the word is used to mean something different, it will more then likely be interpreted as something based on a traditional "belief system".

Posted by pilotsimone (here)
...Do the work and find out for yourselves...

Exactly.