Dr. Judy Wood and John Lash The quintessential talk on 911

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Reposted question from other thread:

Posted by Phoenix (here)

Check this out, then prove to me it was explosives: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms1uUZX_g2I

I really don't get how people belive Judy when she has done zero experiments to test her theory.
That is what science is.
Otherwise you just believe what she says on faith alone. How is what she says with zero practical proof or experiments to back her up better than what anyone else is saying in the 9/11 movement? (many of which DO have practical experiments to back them up)?
It just seems like people have read her ideas and decided they are true without bothering to look at the counter arguments.
Its like their mind is made up and then at that point they completely shut down to any further discussion of her ideas.
Also, why on earth people keep asking me to prove she is wrong is beyond me. Its up to her to prove she is right. And she has not.
Not a single experiment.
Her heart is in the right place but she has not shown any good evidence to support her space beams ideas.

[iceni tribe]

more Judy bashing EWO, youve been at her for two years now .

care to explain this.



can you see 500,000 tons of debris



care to explain why the seismic chart gives a reading of 0.9 on the richter scale for the plane inpact and only 2.3 for a half million ton building smashing into the ground.




notice the time on the clock , 15 minutes after the first collapse , but wait what do we see , is that fine dust being kicked up by the mans feet how could that have settled so quick.




can you see the 30 floors at the top moving away from the rest of the building



now where is that top piece again




how is it possible that 14 survived i stairwell B with half a million tons of rubble coming down on top of them.





EWO it is my humble opinion that you can look for evidence for thermite bringing down the towers until the cows come home , Steven Jones ( 1989 cold fushion debunker ) and Richard Gage are controlled .

fancy researching your hero's then be my guest

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhMPlJ9C__Q

[Cidersomerset]

Great post iceni Tribe.....The interview is very good and exposes the murky world of everything about 9/11
the two scientists who were murdered and everything else stinks to high heaven and as Andrew said it
looks like the truth movement has been manipulated from day 0ne, and why would it have not been ?
as any intelligence agencies would have spies in any organisation.....The crop circles makers
spring to mind in another of Richard Halls brilliant investigative documentry on British intelligence funding
John Lundberg of circlemakers.....I'm going to post this interview on the Judy Wood thread I put up as
it fits in well......Steve.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Posted by iceni tribe (here)
more Judy bashing EWO, youve been at her for two years now .

care to explain this.



can you see 500,000 tons of debris



care to explain why the seismic chart gives a reading of 0.9 on the richter scale for the plane inpact and only 2.3 for a half million ton building smashing into the ground.




notice the time on the clock , 15 minutes after the first collapse , but wait what do we see , is that fine dust being kicked up by the mans feet how could that have settled so quick.




can you see the 30 floors at the top moving away from the rest of the building



now where is that top piece again




how is it possible that 14 survived i stairwell B with half a million tons of rubble coming down on top of them.





EWO it is my humble opinion that you can look for evidence for thermite bringing down the towers until the cows come home , Steven Jones ( 1989 cold fushion debunker ) and Richard Gage are controlled .

fancy researching your hero's then be my guest

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhMPlJ9C__Q

As its my birthday today, Im not going to spend ages answering all that now. But I will in the next few days. What I will say now is Richard Hall was wrong about his "orb footage": watch this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymf30rN4Mxo

Oh and that series of photos of the core column is just dust falling off the columns. Its not the columns turning to dust. I will answer the rest tomorrow.

[Delight]

I have followed Dr. Judy Wood's work for a couple of years. She is an expert concerning the behavior of materials under varying conditions. As a material's scientist, she used the research tool of examining evidence in pictures and videos and comparing the behavior evidenced in the pictorial evidence with known "behavior" of materials.

She noticed that the behavior of the material did not conform to the given story. For instance, the towers disintegrated from the top. The towers rise up into dust. This is shown here:


On and on the evidence piles up that the story does not match the evidence.

What I learned most of all from Dr. Judy Wood is that though I doubted the "reasons" given for the event at the time, I used a story given and it shaped what I was seeing laid out in plain view. I saw what I was told to see. Spooky Spooky that I only saw what I was told to see.

John Hutchinson is a source she used to observe materials when energy technology is applied. One can compare the behavior of materials there to the towers.

http://drjudywood.com/articles/JJ/

One of the other things that amazed me from Dr. Judy Wood's contribution is although a major hurricane Erin, was headed straight for NYC, it was not considered news worthy. And on 9/11 it suddenly changed course.

http://drjudywood.com/articles/erin/erin1.html





Spooky, Spooky how even in the glaring light of information, people seem to prefer either being right over the opportunity to be more accurate, OR seem to promote and at least continue the lies for some other reason. Why are these voices not just booed out of town? Because they can pull in an expert witness too.

Spooky, Spooky how the arguments about "suspected" modalities divide the truth movement.

I am not a materials expert though. I will agree that I have a chance of being inaccurate myself. But at least I will never forget to doubt what I hear and look and see instead.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Judy may as well have said "I can fly. Not going to prove it with experiments. You just have to trust me." Please ask more of yourselves and be more discerning when you choose what to believe.


You say Hurricane Erin is suspicious and should be looked into. It already has been.

If you think a hurricane in the hurricane hotspot known as the North Atlantic is suspicious then I really dont know what to say, apart from that Erin was one of many hurricanes and tropical storms on and around 9/11.

Here they are -



Pick any year from this link and see how many hurricanes are prevolent every single year in the hotspot known as the North Atlantic...

http://weather.unisys.com/hurricane/atlantic/index.html



Also the fact that Erin had lost speed and was reported to have done so is a fact before 9/11. Here's an article...



You use this still shot sequence to prove the spire turned to dust.



But notice how the top of the silo doesn't match up in terms of positioning.



Lining two of the stills of the silo up with each other gives us an interesting new take on this matter...







The spire falls displacing the dust that settled on it from the collapse. No mystery there.

from another angle:








Spot the tiny man in this picture standing on the debris that Judy says does not exist.




I mean, I could go on but life is short....

The fact is that every single bit of Judy's theories can be explained without the need for invisible space rays.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

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Posted by iceni tribe (here)
more Judy bashing EWO, youve been at her for two years now .

Posted by EYES WIDE OPEN (here)
Reposted question from other thread:

Posted by Phoenix (here)

Check this out, then prove to me it was explosives: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms1uUZX_g2I

I really don't get how people belive Judy when she has done zero experiments to test her theory.
That is what science is.
Otherwise you just believe what she says on faith alone. How is what she says with zero practical proof or experiments to back her up better than what anyone else is saying in the 9/11 movement? (many of which DO have practical experiments to back them up)?
It just seems like people have read her ideas and decided they are true without bothering to look at the counter arguments.
Its like their mind is made up and then at that point they completely shut down to any further discussion of her ideas.
Also, why on earth people keep asking me to prove she is wrong is beyond me. Its up to her to prove she is right. And she has not.
Not a single experiment.
Her heart is in the right place but she has not shown any good evidence to support her space beams ideas.

How is any of what I wrote above "Judy bashing" as you call it iceni?
Where do I call her a name?
I don't.
I ask a few very simple questions and apparently that is "Judy bashing" ?
You are of course welcome to believe anything you like but to accuse me of attacking Judy when I have just asked a few simple questions is unfair.
Are her ideas so weak that any questioning of them must be answered with such a defensive attitude rather than plain honesty?

What do you think to the answers I gave regarding your questions of the spire collapse and hurricane and debris? Do you think they are good or bad answers?

[Arrowwind]

The 9/11 Truth Movement has no account for 1400 toasted cars... that is a huge story they dont make a peep about

I do not see why thermite could not have been used.
Could not the buidling been wired for demolition and at the same time had an energy weapon hit it?
After all, how many times have they been able to practice on a building like this with an energy weapon?
Perhaps they decided to cover all their bases.

9/11 Truthers and Judy Wood would do better to team up for the Truthers can account for much
the Dr Woods does not discuss at all.

[iceni tribe]

Posted by EYES WIDE OPEN (here)


You use this still shot sequence to prove the spire turned to dust.



But notice how the top of the silo doesn't match up in terms of positioning.



Lining two of the stills of the silo up with each other gives us an interesting new take on this matter...







The spire falls displacing the dust that settled on it from the collapse. No mystery there.

the spire falls displacing the dust that settled on it .........c'mon really !!!

i see the initial sharp image of the core column falling from right to left disappearing before my eyes.

try this one

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzm2wfiXdW4

this image of yours looks mighty impressive.



i would be interested to know which building rubble we are actually looking at and where the photo was taken and was it taken by this man.




JOEL MEYEROWITZ

" the only photographer allowed unrestricted access to ground zero immediately following the attack":


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joel_Meyerowitz



or was it from Oliver Stone's "Rubblefield" in LA

listen at 1 min 30 secs

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1hmntCeLoY

just exploring all possibilities , posting images of rubble without a definitive reference point is not helpful IMHO.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

from the other thread.

Posted by EYES WIDE OPEN (here)
I note that my explanations for Judys evidence have been mostly ignored. Fingers in ears.



Look at this video. It clearly shows the spire falling straight down.
You can track the top of it. IT DOES NOT TURN TO DUST. IT FALLS STRAIGHT DOWN. or will you not believe your own eyes. watch it a few times.
From the 1 min mark:

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dWBBEtA5bI

This one is even clearer:

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0QQN8VlwUE

WATCH IT FALL. FROM ABOUT 2:45. THE SPIRE IS SOLD ALL THE WAY DOWN. YOU CAN EVEN SEE THE DUST FALL OFF IT. THIS DUST FROM A DIFFERENT ANGLE IS WHAT CONFUSED JUDY. THIS FOOTAGE PROVES SHE IS WRONG. COMPLEATLY WRONG.

DUST IS DISPLACED. Are people seriously sugessting that no dust landed on the spire and the rest of New York was covered in dust?! That is what you have to believe if you think that no dust landed on the spire and think the spire simply vanished due to space lazers or DEW.

Here is a challenge. Present what you consider the top 3 best bits of evidence form Judy wood. I will try and explain them using logic. What do you think guys?

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

As you seem to be suggesting that the rubble pile photo I posted is somehow staged, here is another: (note the HCV diggers at the bottom for scale)



I can find many more photos that prove the size and hight of the debris field if you want.

[wavydome]

Eyes Wide Open,
Who will settle the matter, of that pesky dust?
How long did it take dust to settle on the spires after what?... a thermite explosion?
Or did the spires fall before the explosion with the dust holographically expressed?
How much time elapsed between the frames of the sequence densities?

Dare to be naive. Bucky

[iceni tribe]

Posted by EYES WIDE OPEN (here)
As you seem to be suggesting that the rubble pile photo I posted is somehow staged, here is another: (note the HCV diggers at the bottom for scale)



I can find many more photos that prove the size and hight of the debris field if you want.

yes EWO i think i would like to see your most convincing photo's maybe you can find me 110 of these per tower.



their covered in concrete and they weigh 434 tons apiece , shouldn't be to hard to find . right !!!!!




from this



to this

[Paul]

Posted by iceni tribe (here)
yes EWO i think i would like to see your most convincing photo's maybe you can find me 110 of these per tower.

EYES WIDE OPEN will be unable to respond to your questions, iceni tribe. The forum moderation team has decided to un-subscribe EYES WIDE OPEN.

He has consistently, for a year and a half now, sought to push his view of the events of 9/11, engaging in a wide variety of Rhetorical Fallacies, usually unresponsive to feedback, except to deny any wrong doing. Rather than being open minded and acting with apparent commitment to learning, he has shown himself to be close minded and energetically intrusive into others efforts to learn what really happened on the day of 9/11/2001.

From the Avalonn Forum Guidelines:

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Understanding the events of 9/11 is an important key to understanding our current situation as humans on this earth.

The cover-up continues, and sharing insights into that day is one of the ways that many people have begun their awakening process.

I personally, and the moderators as a team, choose not to provide the use of this forum to someone who has for so long, and with such consistency, acted to hinder that learning by others.

This is not about his views on this or whether members of the mod team agree or disagree. It is about how one conducts oneself on this forum, whether one's actions on this forum are conducive to healthy debate and support of oneself and others making their way along the path to further awakening and cooperation.

[Arrowwind]

So please! What do the 9/11 truthers have to say about the 1200 toasted cars with missing engines and door handles with trunks popped open? some as far as 3/4 a mile away? Have they no account for this? so far I haven't seen one.

[wavydome]

AW... That vid with AE911 seems to answer it best: Richard Gage of AE911 would not accept questions outside his organization's subject area. He is a big architect and founder of AE911, methinks. He basically invoked the unwritten rule: it is honorable not to communicate. If one so desires. In this case cars are not architecture, case closed. Or get your own case, not his case number.