Predictions..!

[Paul]

Posted by RMorgan (here)
Well, I didn´t like this solution as well, not personally, but because I think it will not solve the problem.

However, this decision is up to the mods.

Can you describe "the problem", as you see it, and if it's not obvious, why tags won't solve it?

[RMorgan]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by RMorgan (here)
Well, I didn´t like this solution as well, not personally, but because I think it will not solve the problem.

However, this decision is up to the mods.

Can you describe "the problem", as you see it, and if it's not obvious, why tags won't solve it?

Hey Paul!

IMHO, the problem is that predictions theories, really fall into a specific category, which would be "predictions".

In the last few months, we´ve been experiencing lots of prediction threads and I think they deserve their own place.

There are sections for much less popular themes than predictions, so why not create another section for them, which are really growing in popularity?

Also, personally, I really thing a disclaimer text would be necessary in this section. You know, some people can take these predictions very very seriously and discernment is not a skill that is available to all.

In terms of predictions, the alternative media is a complete mess. There are so many authors out there who were proven to be wrong so many times, and keep coming with new predictions, and people keep believing in them...

A prediction section would be an amazing tool for all of us, to organize things a little bit, and to know which author is reliable or not.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Paul]

Posted by RMorgan (here)

Posted by Paul (here)
Can you describe "the problem", as you see it, and if it's not obvious, why tags won't solve it?

IMHO, the problem is that predictions theories, really fall into a specific category, which would be "predictions".

But don't prediction threads overlap with existing topics? Can't one have predictions in threads involving the sun, other parts of the cosmos, global finances, earthquakes, UFO's, disclosure, ... (all of which have existing sub-forums?)

If someone predicts an earthquake in California this month, do we put the thread in the Earthquakes sub-forum, or in the Predictions sub-forum? (Or if it's Bill Ryan making the prediction, do we put - well expect Bill to put - the thread in Bill Ryan's Threads ?)

Better perhaps to let users tag the thread. Then any user can do it, and a thread can have multiple relevant tags. Members can add tags, but only admin/mods can move threads.

[ulli]

When considering new regulations it's best to ask the question "where would one draw the line and how about the narrow marginals?

Because someone might want to bring up a conversation about possible future intent or direction,
not quite a fixed prophecy, but more like this or that could happen IF...
So to make the right distinction would be rather difficult, I imagine.
It's like asking people to understand the word "style"
in all of its implications and only apply the absolute highest standards.
I don't think we need any more categories.

I just had to book a ticket online with American Airlines, and let me tell ya, each time I fly their website is more crammed with new categories.
And each window opens with a pop-up asking if you want to see the "secure" version.
A nightmare.

AlThe best we can do is help the moderators when the prediction trolls overdo it.
It takes one to know one, so you can count me in.

[Calz]

Squeaky wheel ... not by intention.

Is Bill on board with putting his own predictions in a "sub forum" venue???

If so ... and I seem to be among a tiny minority on this topic ... then fine ... so be it.

Yes ... if some of the really psychic connected members here come up with a warning that can save many lives ... let us marginalize them and shove them off to the side where only those with extra time on their hands will see???

What???

I seem to be swimming upsteam lately ... sorry

[RMorgan]

Posted by Paul (here)
Better perhaps to let users tag the thread. Then any user can do it, and a thread can have multiple relevant tags. Members can add tags, but only admin/mods can move threads.

Yes. Tags are great Paul. However, I don´t think regular users really have the habit to use them.

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)
Yes ... if some of the really psychic connected members here come up with a warning that can save many lives ... let us marginalize them and shove them off to the side where only those with extra time on their hands will see??

Calz, do you know the "peter and the wolf" story? Well, when or if someone makes a genuine prediction here that could save may lives, he/she would already becomes automatically discredited, because of the high number of fake predictions the would precede him/her.

[Paul]

Posted by RMorgan (here)
Yes. Tags are great Paul. However, I don´t think regular users really have the habit to use them.

Well, until Ilie fixed them a few days ago, tags were so messed up that almost no one (regular, irregular or total geek) used them.

There was an automatic bot (2 or 3 of them, actually) going around assigning stupid tags to everything in sight.

Ilie has cleaned out the mountain of bogus tags, turned off the stupid bots, and now tags are in the fine hands of our select and most wonderful members .

So ... if you see a prediction thread ... tag it "prediction". You can see the tag edit mechanism at bottom of each page, as Ilie explains at Using Tags (tagging) to group threads together.

And - who knows - this actually could lead to a sub-forum for predictions. Once a number of existing and new "prediction" threads are tagged, we all (the members and the moderators) can look at that tagged collection and reasonably ask if they all would be better gathered into one "prediction" sub-forum, or better left in their various and diverse existing sub-forums.

(It was primarily because of this very thread that Ilie fixed tags to be usable again ... so such proposals can have useful affects ... just not always quite what the original proposer expected .)

[jackovesk]

FYI - I will from now on be posting any 'Prediction' type Threads into the 2012 and Beyond Sub-Topic which really should or could have been named 'Predictions' anyway...

This has been a Painstaking process which I'm sorry to All has achieved relatively nothing...

Thanks to all the Posters & Mods for their efforts...

Regards,

Jack

[jackovesk]

Posted by Orph (here)
I predict this won't happen.

Good onya Orph,

That's about the only 'Prediction' on this Forum from memory that has been fulfilled..!

Well done...

Jack

[nosgib]

I'm in,and speaking in the vernacular;
Put up or shut up, with a moderator as referee.......A thread that can be a part of history,unbiased, but with the only intent of truth and doing Good.

[nosgib]

Actually may I suggest 2 sections
A oracle and a chronicle!
The former not having a time line but the latter with. (as that is the distinction between the two)

[fox.mulder]

Posted by RMorgan (here)

Calz, do you know the "peter and the wolf" story? Well, when or if someone makes a genuine prediction here that could save may lives, he/she would already becomes automatically discredited, because of the high number of fake predictions the would precede him/her.

Ok what about we look at this from another angle. Can some list the predictions that actually came true on PA? I would hope that at least 50% are successfully in order to justify the amount of time given to this topic. Lets find out the exact success rate? Anyone can help?

[RMorgan]

Posted by fox.mulder (here)

Posted by RMorgan (here)

Calz, do you know the "peter and the wolf" story? Well, when or if someone makes a genuine prediction here that could save may lives, he/she would already becomes automatically discredited, because of the high number of fake predictions the would precede him/her.

Ok what about we look at this from another angle. Can some list the predictions that actually came true on PA? I would hope that at least 50% are successfully in order to justify the amount of time given to this topic. Lets find out the exact success rate? Anyone can help?

That´s the whole point of this thread, my friend.

I guess my answer to your question, from memory, is ZERO?

[Paul]

Posted by RMorgan (here)
I guess my answer to your question, from memory, is ZERO?

Well .. if it was ZERO .. then it's not ZERO any more, as your prediction was true.

(hmm ... but then it not being ZERO any more would make your prediction true again ... I smell the makings of a paradox here.)

[Ellisa]

I think that if ZERO is the result then it is a valid result. Maybe that's what happens to predictions.

However predictions are just that--- unproven ideas. It is not until the event happens that a prediction is valid in its own right. As a result dated predictions are less likely to be fulfilled than non-dated ones. Thus I could say one day the world will end-- and it is an unproven prediction for (I hope) a very, very long time. However if I say that the world will end next Tuesday week, and it doesn't, well that is a valid result, and I look silly.

I am a supporter of this proposed new section. I like predictions, they make me think hard about unusual topics, and I like the bravery of the predictors. I admit I don't take them too seriously, but now and again some things are predicted which are surprisingly accurate, as in the Christchurch earthquake.

I also agree with those who find it difficult to locate items of interest after they disappear from the front page. I think a heading "Prediction" would help. Until then I'll look under 2012 (but what happens in 2013 if the Mayan Calendar doesn't wind up time forever?)

[Calz]

Would not having a sub-forum based entirely on predictions actually *encourage* people to post them ... thus defeating the purpose???

Hmmm ... wonder who is going to the the world series this year?

[Calz]

Take a moment and reflect about how Camelot started and what were some of the core issues.

Whistleblower information to try to sort through and get as close to those shifting concepts of "truth" and "reality" as possible.

What about "predictions"??? How much time was devoted to determine what would happen in 2012 ... or what is the next false flag ... or what the PTB/W might try to foist on us next? Earth changes???

Not to belabor the issue ... splitting hairs I suppose.


If the mods are up to it then why not? Poll numbers are quite decisive.

IMHO

Cal

[fox.mulder]

I must be hanging around the wrong crowd here. It seems so clear to me, not one prediction has come true that means to me there are alot of people who's intuition is actually delusion. So such people should be told that they are deluded. They are not awake they are in fact still asleep just switched dreams.

I've spent the majority of my posts in the last few weeks aimed at encouraging people to be real, discourage the time wasters and pushed that people not package opinions as fact. The majority of people have been negative toward this. So by being against these ideas, the majority must actually want misleading posts, fear mongering, opinions being pushed as fact. Is this what most people want? Granted a bit of fiction does make better reading.

I've seen this kind of thing before in religion, the continual pursuit of some truth despite what actually makes sense. With gurus (or elders) manipulating the dialogue to keep it unclear and unprecise.

Is this what people actually want? If so then I am in the wrong crowd here.

FM

[Calz]

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)
Everyone remember this???

Jane Bürgermeister

Whatever happened to the Swine Flu? February 2010

Jane Bürgermeister is an Austrian-Irish journalist, based in Vienna, who was propelled into the public spotlight last year (2009) when, outraged at the distribution of H5N1 (Avian Flu)-infected samples distributed to European laboratories by Baxter Pharmaceuticals, she started to publicize the issue and attempted to press charges against several authorities. Since then she has become a hero to many for her role in championing the rights of citizens against the threat of compulsory mass vaccination.

I met with Jane again in mid-February, and talked with her about her sense of victory and relief following her very intense, and apparently very successful, campaign. She and I speculate, celebrate, and also talk about the Lisbon Treaty and its implications for the citizens of the European Union. The video update ended after half an hour, and was followed by an interesting and informal off-camera conversation that was captured in good quality by the microphone in the room. Enjoy.

http://projectavalon.net/lang/en/jan...eister_en.html

Some "predictions" that do not come to pass are due to people *getting out the word*!!!

Things can happen "behind the scenes" not only as a result of human intervention but spiritually as well.

While we should always use discernment to the best of our ability it is also not in our best interest to have an "angry mob" approach to unfulfilled predictions. This seems to be happening a lot lately.

Should we be "marginalizing" those who take it upon themselves (sometimes at great risk) to put out what they perceive as a warning of some sort?

Is this not a "whistleblower" site forum?

Something to ponder perhaps?

IMHO

Posted by fox.mulder (here)

Posted by RMorgan (here)

Calz, do you know the "peter and the wolf" story? Well, when or if someone makes a genuine prediction here that could save may lives, he/she would already becomes automatically discredited, because of the high number of fake predictions the would precede him/her.

Ok what about we look at this from another angle. Can some list the predictions that actually came true on PA? I would hope that at least 50% are successfully in order to justify the amount of time given to this topic. Lets find out the exact success rate? Anyone can help?

As I put in post # 79 this *to me* is the issue.

We have a *failed* prediction.

Are we supposed to be badgered into submission and not put out information like Jane did???

So we have a paradox. If things are done behind the scenes to avert a "predicted" disaster or simply stopped by calling enough attention to something to change the "predicted" plan ... then many lives have potentially been saved.

What is the *cost* of being right??? How do we measure *success*???

Lets all send Jane emails criticizing her for bothering us with her rediculous "prediction" that didn't come true ...

[fox.mulder]

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)
Everyone remember this???

Jane Bürgermeister

Whatever happened to the Swine Flu? February 2010

...

Some "predictions" that do not come to pass are due to people *getting out the word*!!!

...

...

We have a *failed* prediction.

Are we supposed to be badgered into submission and not put out information like Jane did???

So we have a paradox. If things are done behind the scenes to avert a "predicted" disaster or simply stopped by calling enough attention to something to change the "predicted" plan ... then many lives have potentially been saved.

...

This example is not really a prediction in the same vein as the ones that are being discussed. This lady it appears had made some actual observations and took action. This is not like the California, Elenin, October dates etc etc.

If people are co-dependant on the fiction with the people that write it then let it be.