Why Eckhart Tolle isn't a member of Avalon ?

[Black Panther]

Many years ago I started reading books of Eckhart Tolle and that's why I finally ended up here on Avalon. I've read a lot of his books, but "The Power Of Now" and "A New Earth" are my favorite ones. I've read them several times. For me those books are magical, because it's like meditating by reading them. He wrote them after he woke up. He couldn't live with himself (the ego) any longer. He stepped out of the ego and the next morning he suddenly saw how beautiful the sunbeams were, coming through the window and for the first time he really enjoyed the tsjirping of the birds. With most of us it is a gradual process, but Eckhart magically ascended overnight. (and it wasn't 28-10-11 or 11-11-11 )

He isn't a member of Avalon (as far as I know ) and I think he doesn't know much about the real history of mankind and about the bloodlines, illuminati etc. But it doesn't matter, because he already found what we all are looking for, inside. We all know that the real truth lies within, but we keep looking for it on this forum, on the internet. Outside ourselves. I don't want to say I'm different, because I can confess I'm addicted to this forum and I like to watch all the videos about all kind of alternative subjects . But that's a big paradox and I'm thinking about it for quite some time.

Somehow I always knew what happened to Eckhart would happen to me. He was 29 years old so I expected something around that age. It took me a little bit longer, but I finally saw the light. But I'm still looking for a lot of answers. Though I woke up, there is still a lot of ego left

I'm a member of Eckhart Tolle TV and I watch his monthly videos. It always resonates and it makes me feel good. By reading all the threads on this forum a lot of times I end up tired and with mixed feelings. Though I want to stay a member and I want to read the "Today's Posts" .

Maybe because it's the end of the Pisces / Duality world it will change if we all enter the Aquarius / Oneness world.

[johnf]

Thanks for expressing similar feelings to mine Black Panther,
My favorite mouth piece for the message of who we really are and the real solution beneath all the problems we are disturbed by has been Mooji. More traditional package, same message. A few days ago I was confronted with the unacceptability of some of my more combatative personality traits and was really scared by how persistent and recurring they were. The next day someone posted an interview with Eckhart where he tells the story of being very stressed out and having the stress rise in front of him in the form of the thought "I can't live with myself". I found that really fascinating for a while and tried to fit it into my situation.
My interpretation is a little different than yours. What arose for me was that the false self that i often identify with could not live with the real, underlying self, and was therefore trying to offer various forms of suicide all my life, and getting antagonistic with others and finding myself continually drawn into arguments with others.
The fact for me is that the real self doesn't find any other self real or imagined to be a problem for it. It recognizes itself in any phenomena that happens to arise within it.
My attention drawn to videos and threads here and elsewhere that show external enemies that have decided they can't live with the rest of us any longer.
The underlying solution of repeatedly falling back into the real self , and acknowledging the peace that I find there is the only real unchanging solution that I have found anywhere. Any program or action in the daily world has never been anything but an outer approximation of that solution as it seems to apply to the present situation in peoples lives.
I am hoping that the amount of time spent in realizing that Any thought about another self having to go is just the ego being frightened by the unified peaceful self.

[modwiz]

I work/live at an Institute that considers Tolle one of our guiding lights. Pir Vilayat Khan and Ram Das were two of the founders.

Good thread here with excellent points.

The false self can be very entertaining if kept in check and noted for what it is. Kind of like a dog humping and peeing on things.

[christian]

Posted by Black Panther (here)
Eckhart magically ascended overnight. (and it wasn't 28-10-11 or 11-11-11 )

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He was 29 years old so I expected something around that age.

[...]

Maybe because it's the end of the Pisces / Duality world it will change if we all enter the Aquarius / Oneness world.

You are funny, on one side you find certain dates are not that important and on the other side you expected something around a certain age. But I kind of agree.
I figure, certain opportunities are easier to grasp during certain constellations but at the end of the day self-aware fragments of the whole must stand up to their self-responsibility.

You make a good point, I think, the prime objective is a spiritual evolution, everything else when it comes to the society and all the rest of it is merely a byproduct. There will not be a truly peaceful and prosperous society without the appropriate spiritual evolvement.

[greybeard]

There are a few of his videos on the enlightenment thread.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ull=1#post7764

I was fortunate enough to have breakfast with him and Kim.
He is a gentleman in every regard.
Chris

[Calz]

Posted by greybeard (here)
There are a few of his videos on the enlightenment thread.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ull=1#post7764

I was fortunate enough to have breakfast with him and Kim.
He is a gentleman in every regard.
Chris

Hi Chris ... somehow I just knew you would pop in here.

Didn't want to post it first as "predictions" are now cannon fodder

Bless you for all you have brought to this forum over the years

[greybeard]

When he gave his London talk, some years back, he said that the human race is on the verge of the biggest step forward in evolution since we became mammals.
That is big--- He did not go into detail of any kind.

Regards Chris.

[conk]

I love his sense of humor. So dry and so pointed. Very entertaining speaker. Great books. Thanks for the reminder, I need to re-read some of them as well.

[johnf]

Posted by Black Panther (here)
Eckhart magically ascended overnight. (and it wasn't 28-10-11 or 11-11-11 )
Maybe because it's the end of the Pisces / Duality world it will change if we all enter the Aquarius / Oneness world.

Eckhart does not mention ascension in his story of his change from depression and any other video or text of his that I have read or watched. (I have just come back from buying his book The power of Now, so I might find the word there. I do not think he has ascended, and I have never really seen a description of ascension as part of a plain description of personal experience. It has allways been used as description of something that was in the past happening to someone else, or in the future happening to someone that doesn't exist in the present.
When Eckhart talks about mankinds future as one which is an outer world designed on the foundation of universal inner peace. He doesn't mention 2012, 11/11/11, or 10/28/11. I think these dates are important because they are part of the human superconscious placing clues in our societal control systems (calenders, clocks, perception of time). That relate to changes in the galaxy and solar system that make it more urgent for our species to change so deeply and completely that it will appear to be a completely different species. As a side effect of this change we will probably not have to suffer as much as we will if we don't change as a species.
Thats why I like to spend much more time on messengers like Eckhart Tolle, Mooji, as well as the famous example of peaceful external change, Mahatmas Ghandi.

All these examples seem to be pointing the way not pointing the finger.
I would like to see more of that on this forum, and how much of that i see is probably a function of what I am doing with what i see here in my self, in my heart, and in the sometimes cluttered space in between my ears.

[meeradas]

I'm not convinced this here is

Posted by Black Panther (here)
Outside ourselves

To me, it's more like a focal point [only seemingly 'externalized'].

or

a preferred subsitute to the remainders of 'self monologue'.

[onawah]

Two winters ago, I spent many hours listening to Eckhart Tolle tapes. I have "A New Earth" on tape, and I taped his series from the Oprah shows.
I found it very interesting to hear him interact with the callers with their questions. It added a whole new dimension to my understanding of him.
And I have listened to The Power of Now on tape many times, and have read the books as well.
I can still remember when I read his first book some years ago and how very appropriate his message was at the time.
Such a lovely soul with a simply, clearly expressed, yet very profound message to share, that has definitely supported me in my own process.
Whether we call it awakening or ascension, it's not that different in essence, but much depends on the era in which we are living as to how it all unfolds.

[Carmody]

Posted by modwiz (here)
I work/live at an Institute that considers Tolle one of our guiding lights. Pir Vilayat Khan and Ram Das were two of the founders.

Good thread here with excellent points.

The false self can be very entertaining if kept in check and noted for what it is. Kind of like a dog humping and peeing on things.

That is why we love Monty Python soooo much.

[NancyV]

Posted by johnf (here)
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Thats why I like to spend much more time on messengers like Eckhart Tolle, Mooji, as well as the famous example of peaceful external change, Mahatmas Ghandi.
All these examples seem to be pointing the way not pointing the finger....

My first experience of "enlightenment" or "ascension" was at age 33 and after the first one there were many many more. Like Tolle I spent years in and out of a state of bliss until I decided to live more fully in this world to raise my children. Seems like around age 29-35 is a more common age for many to experience this awakening although one can, of course, be older or younger. Everyone who experiences oneness does not become a teacher, in fact few become teachers. We are fortunate there are a few who attempt to explain things in words, which is difficult to do.

I like Eckhart Tolle and Mooji is awesome! In this short video he expresses how I feel about life and living in the now moment.

Forget About Enlightenment:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=0pS_wPeDxDQ

Speaking of Mahatma Ghandi, the following was sent to me a few days ago and illustrates potential challenges facing an enlightened human:

"Mahatma Gandhi, as you know, walked barefoot most of the time, which produced an impressive set of calluses on his feet. He also ate very little, which made him rather frail and with his odd diet he suffered from bad breath. This made him (oh, man, this is so bad, it's good)...
A super-calloused fragile mystic hexed by halitosis."

Okay, that was absurd, but I have a rather warped sense of humor.....and if you don't get the play on words it comes from the song:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=4b-Z0SSyUcw

[Anno]

Posted by Black Panther (here)
[...]I think he doesn't know much about the real history of mankind and about the bloodlines, illuminati etc.[...]

He does, he just doesn't talk about it. If you check out the recordings of some of his retreats (available as audiobooks) you can hear people in the question sessions bringing it up. My understanding is that he knows all about it but doesn't talk about it because it simply doesn't matter.

It is the 'pain body' that is addicted to the drama, fear and oppression of such topics and discussing them ad nauseum on forums is simply feeding your pain body. By focussing on the illuminati or whoever you are creating that reality for yourself because it's on your mind all the time. Your true self doesn't care because it knows it doesn't matter and you have a free choice.

There's simply too much noise here for Tolle's silence to be heard. I'd be very suprised if he didn't read here though.

As a side topic, someone mentioned Enlightenment and Ascension as being synonyms for the same phenomena. That worries me. If you were enlightened you can carry on living in the physical world, the change is that you have no fear or negativity anymore. Ascension implies leaving what we have to go to something better.

With enlightenment you change. With ascension you change your environment. It's escapist fantasy designed to milk money out of the spiritually lazy if you ask me. Buy the dvd or go to the seminar and await the mothership to save you.
Enlightenment is free and happens as soon as you stop looking for it and realise that you've already had it all along.

[PamelaB]

U sound like a beautiful soul! Not to burst your bubble but "if" you had attained Tolle's level you would not be on this forum or watching his tv show.
If u were out of ego u wouldn't be searching.

Sweet dreams though.

My ego still controls or I wouldn't be here as well.

[jack]

Enlightenment is to sit in one place forever without ever feeling the need to move.

Ive been in that place numerous times, kind of like slipping in and out of a coma, the coma being life. When in that state nothing needs to be done, the universe takes care of everything, no thinking is required, just pure joy and presence. It is the answer to all humanities problems, and the more that find this place within the easier it will be for more to follow.

[NancyV]

Posted by Anno (here)
As a side topic, someone mentioned Enlightenment and Ascension as being synonyms for the same phenomena. That worries me. If you were enlightened you can carry on living in the physical world, the change is that you have no fear or negativity anymore. Ascension implies leaving what we have to go to something better.

With enlightenment you change. With ascension you change your environment. It's escapist fantasy designed to milk money out of the spiritually lazy if you ask me. Buy the dvd or go to the seminar and await the mothership to save you.
Enlightenment is free and happens as soon as you stop looking for it and realise that you've already had it all along.

Enlightenment and Ascension have many meanings and I'm not sure nor do I care what they mean because the words don't have much to do with the reality. Yes, enlightenment, whatever it means, is free and I agree we all have it all along. It indicates an awakening to the greater self as part of the Source, among other things.

One of the meanings of "ascension" might be that you change your "location" or environment, possibly after physical death, and go "up" into the higher vibrational realms and merge with the Source. You can also do that in out of body travels and then come back into your body.

Some religious teachings portray ascension as something God does to you, removing your body AND soul from the earth into higher realms. Personally I can't see any reason to have a hunk of meat ascend! LOL...

Others describe ascension as raising your vibrational frequency to the point where your body disappears (the higher vibrational frequency makes matter less dense so it becomes invisible to human sight ) and your soul ascends to higher realms. The Celestine Prophecy describes ascension somewhat in this fashion.

Once you merge with the Source that doesn't mean you stay there. The Source creates, it comes into the creation. It IS the Creation. We all come back into the creation. You may think that once one is in a state of union with the Source they would not return to a human or other worldly or other dimensional life, but that is something you don't really know until you've done it and remembered. There is no END goal. It's all cyclical....You become aware of being one with everything, the Source... then you come into the creation and your awareness shifts. That's what we are doing and we're ALL doing this.

Of course we are actually within the Source and here in the creation concurrently and we are all one so there really is no separation. For some reason we LIKE this game where it seems like we are separate, otherwise we wouldn't be doing it. So we might as well have fun while we're here in this state of consciousness where we forget the greater reality.

I like the Zen saying: "Before enlightenment chop wood, carry water. After enlightenment chop wood, carry water.

[johnf]

My take is that enlightenment is letting go of the false self forever, and acsension is learning to percieve and live on a higher level or plane without leaving this one. I think (whenever mankind gets there ) we will be able to travel on other planes and come back and use that information here.

[realitycorrodes]

My intuition tells me Eckhart Tolle is a complete fraud as a genuine enlightened being! I have no proof. But just in case anyone else thinks he's a fraud but is too frightened to chirp up because of all the "followers" I thought I would make the first stand. I will not debate this opinion of mine as I have nothing to debate with. So this will be it for me. Wishing you all well.

If anyone has not realised what the real deal looks like...check out below

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Ok, so I don't know how this "insert picture" feature works. Some imperfection left to fix! Damn

[Star1111]

Posted by realitycorrodes (here)
My intuition tells me Eckhart Tolle is a complete fraud as a genuine enlightened being! I have no proof. But just in case anyone else thinks he's a fraud but is too frightened to chirp up because of all the "followers" I thought I would make the first stand. I will not debate this opinion of mine as I have nothing to debate with. So this will be it for me. Wishing you all well.

If anyone has not realised what the real deal looks like...check out below

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Ok, so I don't know how this "insert picture" feature works. Some imperfection left to fix! Damn

Now, its very interesting that you say that realitycorrodes because I have only seen a snippet of Mr Tolle on Oprah (just surfing the www as they say). I have bought the book "The power of now" that I intend to read.
To get to my point - something or somone is trying to give me a message about Ekhart and I'm not sure what it is. So that is why I am going to read the book.
However, for some strange reason I had an instant reaction to him that to be honest didn't feel positive and I DON'T KNOW WHY.
I may have got the message wrong and it might be that I SHOULD read the books and listen to what he has to say, but I just got this very strong sence of 'aversion' for want of a better word, which from time to time I do get about people and I have to say with modesty that it is often correct...................

Still I want to be fair and I am going to give him the benefit of my doubt and then I'll know either way.

What makes YOU say you think he is a fraud?

Much LOVE