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    Default The Zeitgeist Movement and the Venus Project

    I believe most if not all of you have heard about this movement, and about the proposed solutions to the corrupt system we live in today.

    What I am interested in is, your thoughts, and your opinions (pro and contra) about the movement and the project and why.

    I don't know how many of you are familiar with this, but almost 90% of the material in the Zeitgeist Movies has been "borrowed" from the research material of Jordan Maxwell by the creator of the movies, Peter Joseph. I don't think it matters much, as long as the information is out in the public domain for people to be able to reach it.

    What do you think of the movement, and the project itself? Have you heard of similar projects (they can be discussed here too)? How do we get to a system like the Venus Project? How do we make the transition? Any thoughts that would fill the holes in the ideas behind the movement and the project (yes, I'm not gonna pretend they aren't any) are very much welcome.

    http://thezeitgeistmovement.com/

    http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

    http://www.futurebydesignthemovie.com/


    http://www.thevenusproject.com


    PS: I thought this is the most obvious place to post the thread. If it isn't, please move it to wherever you think it should be placed.
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    It's funny to see how many of these new Youtube videos and movements are based on the research of Jordan Maxwell. Having read the majority of the work he offers, as well as several of Manly P. Hall's publications, I can certainly sympathize with Maxwell and the late M. P. Hall. They're probably the two most plagiarized researchers in the esoteric field.

    Anyway, I "did my homework" on the Venus Project earlier this year and I find it to be a very interesting idea. Yes, it's not perfect, but it's much better than the hideous system we have in place today. The most notable flaw, or weakness, in the Venus Project would have to be the transition. How are we going to transition into this system after living, for the past few centuries, as a global economy based on scarcity and control?

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    I think its an excelleny idea aswell. But when I was in a zeitgeist chatroom I saw something about money donations being accepted. Dont remember where i saw it posted though. So I asked one of the chatroom members what they thought about a resource based plan for the world, and why they would be looking for money. The response seemed like a joke saying something like to remove 'money as an influence one needs a lot of it.'

    I dont believe it can possibly work like that. And maybe its NOT down the founders idea to be looking for money. I dont know, and Im not gonna guess. But I cant help wondering if Venus and Zeitgeist are compromised.

    Ive believed for quite a while now that money just gets in the way of people having a good life. its very simple for me. if there is no money there is no money problems! :D So much could change, and very quickly without money getting in the way.

    I thought, years ago, what if nobody had to get up, and go to a job that they had no choice to do if they wanted money to eat, pay bills, buy clothes, have shelter. What if nobody HAD to get up just to live? What if we could do what we want instead of what we HAVE to? Of course there might still be doctors, lawyers, engineers. There might be people who WANT to help people instead of HAVE to help! There might still be people who WANT to grow food to feed people. There might still be people who WANT to help people have a home to live in. Who dares to imagine a world where we can do what we WANT instead of have some nameless faceless power MAKE us do what THEY want and for nobodies good except a small few?
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    Dear readers,

    I find the Venus project as dangerous as the New World Order (maybe it is run by the same operators).
    Any government system that is central (a few millions city with a government is still a central regime), is bounded to be corrupt and oppressive.

    The only hope for a real spiritual change, in conscious awakening, accepting that we are one, thous responsible to each other.
    Technology is not required at all.

    The Venus project is selling us the socialistic theme warped with hi-tech.
    If you buy it better go live in China or North Korea.

    Enjoy your freedom and liberty while it last. When you are offered to trade it, be sure you going to be enslaved.

    Watch this excellent video from the 1948: https://youtube.com/watch?v=mVh75...layer_embedded

    Good luck with selling your liberties.
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    Quote Posted by PathWalker (here)
    I find the Venus project as dangerous as the New World Order (maybe it is run by the same operators).
    Any government system that is central (a few millions city with a government is still a central regime), is bounded to be corrupt and oppressive.
    [...]
    The Venus project is selling us the socialistic theme warped with hi-tech.
    If you buy it better go live in China or North Korea.
    [...]
    More or less my own thoughts.
    To close to Platonic "city-states of philosopher-kings"

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    It's very possible that if the Venus Project, or a similar plan, were somehow set in place today, that an oppressive, socialist government system could result.

    Quote The only hope for a real spiritual change, in conscious awakening, accepting that we are one, thous responsible to each other.
    I believe that what you stated above needs to happen before we co-create a new society. If we don't have a "conscious awakening," or a similar expansion of consciousness, it would be incredibly hard to have a conscious society. And without a conscious society, socialist states and dictatorships flourish. I believe we need to first work on ourselves before we begin designing an idealistic society. Expand our individual consciousness'. An initiative, similar to the Venus Project, could provide grounds for a much more spiritual and cohesive society - Only after we, as a civilization, clean up our own acts'.
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    Enjoy your freedom and liberty while it last. When you are offered to trade it, be sure you going to be enslaved.
    Lol that quote made me laugh hard sorry,but there is absolutely zero truth in that quote do you realize that?What freedom and what liberty?I dont feel i got any freedom or any liberty nowadays period,if you feel that way you must be in dreamland my friend,we dont have any freedom,we bow and obey we dont do jack to change anything,and when i say we i am generally speaking of course,i am talking about most of the population around the globe,people are brainwashed living their lives under mind control systems and your saying to enjoy freedom and liberty?I will enjoy freedom and liberty when this whole system fails and collapses within itself and it will happen because nothing lasts forever,i am sorry mate but when i read those lines it set me on fire heh.

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    Hi OnxKnight,

    To let you know that a similar Tread was openned up by Etherios May 9th at the following link. The Eherios one may give you other information.

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?t=1962

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    My impression of the Zeitgeist show is that the first half is the Illuminati bragging and the 2nd half is an attempt to discredit Christianity. All that son/sun stuff is stupid--try that in French.

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    The Zeitgeist agenda is beautifully seductive and appeals to many who would like to see this world be a loving and "fair" place. It's sort of like the old hippie commune ideal taken to another level and embellished with lovely high tech possessions, all FREE. We would presumably have the time to spend developing our artistic and creative side if we didn't have to slave away to provide the necessary funds needed to buy all these pretty things.

    Since all the worlds resources would be the equal inheritance of all the world's people, we would supposedly all be entitled to our "share". Who decides who gets what? Therein lies one of the problems. Who tells whom what work and how much work they have to do to produce and maintain these things? Whenever you have a system where some people are telling others what they get and what to do, human nature intervenes and a hierarchical structure develops, leading inevitably to corruption and abuse of power.

    A Utopian society such as Zeitgeist proposes simply will not work as long as human nature is what it is: competitive, territorial, aggressive, violent, acquisitive, possessive, controlling and materialistic, to name a few of our traits. We also are loving, kind, talented, imaginative, creative, supportive and spiritually powerful. We cannot deny our dual natures. You can try, but it won't work for long.

    The Zeitgeist philosophy would like to deny our dual nature and count on our more positive traits to allow us all to live in peace and harmony. It will not work unless they give everyone drugs to keep them complacent and happy. They will not be able to change who people are no matter how good it sounds to everyone. I prefer to embrace my dualistic nature and be grateful for who I am and not who I think I "should" be. Our dual nature actually makes us more powerful spiritually. If you have traveled in other dimensions and planes of existence you will know that it often takes great courage and willpower. It's not like you're eternally sitting around playing music and singing Kumbaya.....at least not until you reach the source.

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    My belief is that the Zeitgeist Movement and Venus Project have great merit. I feel we've been brainwashed into believing a Utopia is a pollyanna idea that is not possible. Is it possible that just thinking that thought is holding us all back. Perhaps in order to see it, we have to first believe it. Can we let go of our old thought patterns?

    As far as Peter Joseph taking others ideas: Isn't it often said that there are no new ideas, simply new ways of presenting them.

    Yes, a consciousness transformation needs to take place, but what if Carl Calleman is right?.... that the Mayan Calendar is predicting that this coming time is a time for Unity Consciousness. Maybe the fertile soil is being offered to us by the Universe, but we still need to begin to prepare and plant it. The Venus Project is planting a new possibility. Instead of finding what's wrong with it, let us find what's right with it and take it where WE want it to go, not where the PTB want it to go. I truly believe that deep down we are all just searching for peace and harmony. Let us reach out, touch and lose our separateness in our oneness. Love, Ba-ba-Ra
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    Quote Posted by Ba-ba-Ra (here)
    Instead of finding what's wrong with it, let us find what's right with it and take it where WE want it to go, not where the PTB want it to go. I truly believe that deep down we are all just searching for peace and harmony. Let us reach out, touch and lose our separateness in our oneness. Love, Ba-ba-Ra
    I think that this idea should be applied to anything and everything we are dealing with - what is wrong would then just fall by the wayside. There is nothing wrong with holding up a high ideal to gaze upon and envision as a new possibility for a creative living expression.
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    I will strongly advise to carefully think before you post something like "it's ok to be idealist"

    Lenin was an idealist
    Hitler was an idealist
    Trotsky was an idealist
    Che was idealist

    All those men were mass murderers too.
    See "Celine's Third Law"

    Beliefs matter. Stupid beliefs contradicting way reality works bring pain and suffering in feel-good package.
    Careful what you wish for.
    Zeitgeist is a trap.
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    Quote Posted by SaiCO (here)
    I will strongly advise to carefully think before you post something like "it's ok to be idealist"

    Lenin was an idealist
    Hitler was an idealist
    Trotsky was an idealist
    Che was idealist

    All those men were mass murderers too.
    See "Celine's Third Law"

    Beliefs matter. Stupid beliefs contradicting way reality works bring pain and suffering in feel-good package.
    Careful what you wish for.
    Zeitgeist is a trap.
    So was every spiritual leader and philosopher the world has ever known - I guess it depends on the Ideal.
    It is not that I am an advocate of Zeitgeist - I am not - but there is some good idealism in the idea of finding a way out of religious and governmental control.
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    Quote Posted by Ba-ba-Ra (here)
    My belief is that the Zeitgeist Movement and Venus Project have great merit. I feel we've been brainwashed into believing a Utopia is a pollyanna idea that is not possible. Is it possible that just thinking that thought is holding us all back. Perhaps in order to see it, we have to first believe it. Can we let go of our old thought patterns?

    As far as Peter Joseph taking others ideas: Isn't it often said that there are no new ideas, simply new ways of presenting them.

    Yes, a consciousness transformation needs to take place, but what if Carl Calleman is right?.... that the Mayan Calendar is predicting that this coming time is a time for Unity Consciousness. Maybe the fertile soil is being offered to us by the Universe, but we still need to begin to prepare and plant it. The Venus Project is planting a new possibility. Instead of finding what's wrong with it, let us find what's right with it and take it where WE want it to go, not where the PTB want it to go. I truly believe that deep down we are all just searching for peace and harmony. Let us reach out, touch and lose our separateness in our oneness. Love, Ba-ba-Ra
    On this level there is no "we", there is only you. Can you let go of your "brainwashing" enough to try peace/love? Can you live in harmony with others sharing everything equally or having someone else in control of giving you everything you want or need? Until you have tried it you won't know. I HAVE tried it and no matter how good our intentions were it did not work. I brainwashed myself into thinking that peace and harmony were possible with a group of people or a society. Then reality set in and I had to acknowledge that human nature is such that disagreements and many problems will arise on a continual basis. Our animal instincts will not be denied.

    I began believing that we could live in peace and harmony about 43 years ago and tried many different things. Finally I saw how unrealistic and actually ignorant (stupid) it was to think that human beings can change their very core nature because of a philosophical ideal. Show us one society where this has every worked. You can't.....because it has not worked. If you point out some remote village in Tibet where you "think" they are living in peace and harmony, you won't know that for a fact until you live within that society and see what truly is going on beneath the possibly placid surface. Even in a Buddhist community which was nearby where I lived for a time there were ugly things seething beneath the surface, sometimes to boil to the top and become visible. It doesn't matter whether you base your community/society on a philosophy or a religion, you can't force or coerce everyone to change enough to be constantly loving, sharing, peaceful and content. This is the reality. The Zeitgeist philosophy and ideals are at best wishful thinking which denies the reality of the human psyche, and at worst a possibly evil agenda of control.

    Of course one is individually free to try anything they like, but they will not successfully force others to conform to what their philosophy or religion dictates is the correct way for them to behave. I don't agree that a "consciousness transformation needs to take place". We each have the tools and the ability to transform our own consciousness. We don't need to wait for 2012 and something or someone else to do it for us. As for changing everyone else, how about minding our own business and not worrying about getting them to change. Just think, if all the energy one expended trying to change other people was instead spent on going inward and finding all questions and answers for oneself, one would most likely make great progress.

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    Pre planed ideas are not good ones. It is already an agenda. Start with yourself (I did) and rest will follow. Lets see what happen.

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    Quote Posted by FrankoL (here)
    Pre planed ideas are not good ones. It is already an agenda. Start with yourself (I did) and rest will follow. Lets see what happen.
    Thanks, FrankoL, it took you two sentences to say what I said in 3 paragraphs!

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    Quote Posted by FrankoL (here)
    Pre planed ideas are not good ones. It is already an agenda. Start with yourself (I did) and rest will follow. Lets see what happen.
    Very good quote.
    If you want a living sample of the Zietgest utopia, observe the Kibutz settelments movement in Israel (there are about 50 Kibutz setelments) that started as the most socialistic way of life in the 40tis. It is crumbling now with differential salaries and property distribution.

    I would add to the quote that hell or heaven are within. You (me as well) create your reality.
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    Some good points Nancy and we certainly do have the tools and ability to transform our own consciousness (and hence our projected reality)...
    You also wrote,
    "our animal instincts will not be denied"...
    I must say that I diverge on this point.
    animals do not live/work for profit and gain and nor do they concern themselves with money, money, money and more, more, more...

    I recall the Venus Project as being mechanical and digitalized; technologically based and machine-like.
    This aspect is not appealing to me. The more removed we are from Nature- I opine-the more we, as a species, are removed from our hearts. our feeling selves.
    There is also plenty of evidence to suggest the eerie use of nanotechnology with the "digitalizing" of the human being. Synthetic Nano particles pervade the air, food, plastics, pharmaceuticals, vaccines...
    (for more info one of many sources is www.naturalnews.com)

    No need for money, less mechanical and organic earth based would be my preference.

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    Well first step to all of the above is free energy. If you dont use oil / gas / nuclear power / etc etc etc and have enough FREE (no money cost... ) energy then everything will stop being a problem.

    With unlimited power we can even make hydroponic farms in deserts... we can take sea water and clean it up to make drinkable water. We can ... do amazing things. the technology exists these are not wishful thinking... what we lack and we dont do all the above is PROFIT. We cant make human society stop thinking that way ... so i wish we get free energy released ... then ppl will start thinking that money isnt so important ... eventually.

    Imagine how much it will cost to make anything ... from food to spaceships if you take off the energy needed ... (it will cost nothing). The cost of living will be crushed to almost nothing. I am sure with unlimited free energy alot of new inventions will appear and make our lives even better.

    Energy is what control us. Thus why they will try to stop free energy for ever... everything we do has a conection to energy, requires energy to work or to be produced. All we need is that...

    p.s. i agree that The Venus project is way too computerized for my liking.. especially the big moon computer that will think for us and react to what we and the planet need. That like taking the thinking of ppl and to the AI's...

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