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    I've seen the "Zeitgeist, moving foreward" and have a few points:

    - I see a lot of good points raised (not new points, but still) regarding the total lack of long-time substainability caused by the present economic system.

    - I too agree that the monetary system can and should be replaced. After all, we put it there. If you draw up a list of good and bad consequences that money has caused, my bet is that one list will be far longer than the other.

    - The monetary system is based on private property, ownership and a materialistic outlook on life. I've become more in tune with the idea of stewardship, which is basically our role on this planet. We're in a way simply passing through (no matter how you view what happens afterwards). To learn and experience, but also to care for this place while we're here and for those who are to come.

    - I agree with lunaflare that the project has elements of being too mechanical and digitalized. Yes, it might be more effective and less intrusive on the environment, but it feels a bit artificial. What, machines do all the work while humans just go around being creative and playful? Isn't part of being creative the actual process of building/making something? And it's not like all people are of the same mindset. A lot of people acutally do enjoy building, maintanence, etc and are very skilled in doing it. A healthy society consists of people doing all sorts of things to contribute. You can talk about being efficient vs. being wasteful, but efficiency also has a bad, corparate taste in a way - at least in Zeitgeists mechanized view.

    - I'm I the only one getting a bit annoyed that solar and wind-power (and some tidal) are presented as the main solutions to the energy problem? In my mind, we could've dealt with the energy problem yesterday. The technology is there - cold fusion, wireless electricity a'la Tesla and efficient water-powered engines (not to mention the potential of anti-gravity and other exotic, so-called free energy-devices, even though they also might represent great danger in the wrong hands).

    - Finally, I think the society being suggested is not unrealistic to a degree, but it becomes just too sterile. Mostly this is due to the mechanized and "all-scientific" approach to everything. Humans can't make any decisions, "let the Almighty Calculator do the math first". Science is usually presented as the answer - unambiguous and ever self-correcting regarding the true nature of things - but if history has taught us anything it is that science goes as far as the humans doing it. One thing is what science and numbers tell us, what humans interpret and choose to make out of those results can be another thing entirely. There also seems to be no room for spirituality, and that's the main way of changing things. More education, yes. But as many have mentioned, we have to change in more ways than just being knowledgeable.

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    I agree with kouby and vortex surfer completly.

    We do need to work on ourselvs first. and the first step towards the planet in better shape is to improve education drasticly (we should put a clas in morality and frendly behaviour in schools, and some kinde of spirituality - not religion - class too), and destroy all of the oil mafia companies that are braking the progres of the human race for last 70 years at least, and get that plans fot zero point module, that I belive is present on this planet in human hands. When we will be free from oil and our children and us educated more than we can imagine now, than it will be time for starting something like project venus, because the society will be ready to emberace something like that. But that is a long run, because powers at be will not let go so easily we can see that in Egipt right now. If we are to hope to achive that in our life time (50 some years) we should start revolting now, and we would still need devine intervention in a way of consesnus shift, which is already slowly hapening (or I am only moving in more enlightened circules nowdays - hope not). If that is realy on the way then we might have a shot in changin our planet to the better, if not we will have much tougher job in achieving this goal, and it'll take some time more.

    Best of luck to us all.

    p.s. : Sory for my english it has been a while since I wrote in it.
    p.p.s.: The Vatikan lybrary should also be put on full public display

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    I too have recently come across the Venus Project. I never heard of it before until a couple days ago somehow coming across a short video online and then to their website.

    In order to make a rational judgment about a specific person or project, isn't it prudent to investigate as much as possible?

    I utilize both critical reasoning and intuition with a particular subject. When it comes to people I tend to use more of an intuitive approach. For example, I watched a few videos of Jacque Frescoe and have a sense that he seems to be genuinely working towards a better world. I see him as an intelligent, insightful, sincere, free thinker, and possibly the characteristics of what some people call an "Indigo". FYI, I do not like the idea of putting people in boxes or titles, its just a reference point for others to get the gist of the concept. I see Jacque as an early innovator, a system buster (listen to his personal story as a child), one who has a vision for the future, who has an understanding that when we are born into this world we are molded by social norms and programing. We become a product of our environment, just has Jacque so eloquently illustrates in his speech.

    The Fiat Money System
    I'd like to point out that money has been a man made construct. Money has persisted for so long due to specific groups of individuals thousands of years ago, understood the power of turning resources into a currency system. These individuals found it to be a good method of control. Those who were in the elite groups, controlled the money supply e.g. royal bloodlines, pharaohs, kings, queens, popes etc. And it still pursuits today. Why does the fiat money system persist today? Because practically everyone in the world today has some identity attached to his or her money. Okay maybe not everyone, depending on culture and country. Many people from a young age are brought up to have an identity with money. You can't do this or do that without money, you have to slave away at a job in order to make any money, you have to go to the government run propaganda fed system i.e. public and private schools, rack up huge piles of college debt to keep you in the system longer, and buying into the brainwashing of you need to go to college, get a good job, find a wife/husband, get married, buy a house with a white picket fence, have 2.5 kids, and save up for retirement, then you can have your fun at 65. I digress.

    Back to the Venus Project
    The Venus Project appears to be a relatively good idea; however, initially I see that as a positive for people who may not have anywhere else to go e.g. a massive earth change that displaces people. I'm a person who likes my own space and would rather own my own land than to be in a commune type ecosystem. Perhaps that's a little ego in me. Isn't the main purpose of life to live co-creatively in the pursuit of one's own desires for the highest good of all concerned.

    I must confess that I haven't read all his ebooks yet. Obviously this gentleman has put a ton of thought into this project. It may appear a bit futuristic to the laymen, but given the suppression of free energy technologies, or even technologies that are in public domain, it does look feasible to build. I'm also a bit reticent to have a cybernetic control center that runs everything. Perhaps my reticence is due to Hollywood movies, or perhaps I just see us humans as potential problems that could corrupt the system.

    Jacque and some of you in this thread have noted that there needs to be massive education with how this system can work through the transition period. Money has been ingrained in us for so long that it almost seems impossible to have a world without a money system. Perhaps this will take a couple generations before the human populous is civilized enough to coexist within such a technological ecosystem.

    I also wonder what would come of gold, sliver, and other precious metals. I understand that their value is based merely by human concepts, but do we earth beings have a tendency to barter for goods and services. My current thinking is that I don't see anything wrong with a barter system of goods as long as both parties are mutually happy. Maybe a transition to a barter system at first would be more obtainable to help convince people. With this model there should be no social class, just brothers and sisters living amongst each other.

    Human Instincts
    There is something else to consider. What about criminals or bad people? What do you do with them? I agree with Jacque when he mentions that there are no good or bad people, merely people who are shaped by their environment. That may be a little hard to wrap your head around, and it is for me too at times when there are people who seem to lack a heart. But are they born without a heart, or has that person undergone severe trauma/conditioning to think and behave a certain way.


    Just some things to ponder.
    I finally get to converse with like minded people. Its a bit difficult living with a family who has no understanding of these things. I've said enough, so I won't bore you with my private life. I do my best to keep a balance of being a realist and optimistic about the future. But, as I have learned, we should not concern ourselves too much with the past or future, but to live in the present moment.
    Suggestion: a good book that i've learned from about the present is "The Peaceful Warrior" by Dan Millman. Good words of wisdom by a man called Socrates.


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    from this interview with a venus project worker, the UN is involved.

    if so, this is very disturbing.

    the UN is behind the global chemtrail program and the NWO.

    is the zeitgeist movement partnering with the UN?

    if so, be very cautious what you accept as a good thing.

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    @jimmer
    In every institution you will find good and bad people. In nazi germani there were many people whom triet to kill A.H. but sadly failed. Also there can be bad people in good institutions there can be realy sick people like in Roman Chatolic Church there are pedofiles, which is totaly against what Jesus was talking about (also there is something terebly wrong with this institution, which should be helping people not taking money from them amongs other stuff).
    What I'm traing to sey not everything is as it mey seem. Besides I'm for united world under one flag - flag of love and compation. Until we are not united, we shouldnt go to space at all.

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    Quote Posted by RedeZra (here)
    I think the Venus Project is written in the Georgia Guidestones

    it's about controling and clutching the people together and to leave room for nature

    Sounds like Agenda 21 as put out now in a manual from the United Nations..
    google it, also look on youtube for what the nay sayers are saying

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    @jimmer
    In every institution you will find good and bad people. In nazi germani there were many people whom triet to kill A.H. but sadly failed. Also there can be bad people in good institutions there can be realy sick people like in Roman Chatolic Church there are pedofiles, which is totaly against what Jesus was talking about (also there is something terebly wrong with this institution, which should be helping people not taking money from them amongs other stuff).
    What I'm traing to sey not everything is as it mey seem. Besides I'm for united world under one flag - flag of love and compation. Until we are not united, we shouldnt go to space at all.
    with all due respect, UR, don't be an apologist for another UN-based global domination ploy.
    progressively the UN is the problem, not the solution.

    'venus project : from those wonderful folks who brought you chemtrails.'
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    So anything that the UN or ppl that have some connection to the UN are saying is false and we should throw it away? This is like condemning ancient greek texts cause hitler was a huge fun of them ....

    SOOO they are going to parties with the UN SOOOO? What they are saying have you taken the time to think about it? or you just listen to the ppl trying to debunk it?

    It doesnt matter who is saying what.... it matters what they are saying. So your criticism is not valid for me sorry. Its now like we going to ever have this so dont worry relax...

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    The Zeitgeist Movement leaves out a lot of information that should at least be mentioned before regarded as unnecessary, especially when it comes to humanity's origin.

    Nevertheless there is a proposed solution, which makes it even more suspicious - sink line and hooker.

    The solution seems to me like a technocracy. A giant computer manages a resource based economy. Thanks folks, I think consciousness is doing that job better.


    Nevertheless Zeitgeist informs about a lot of important issues and opens minds for different views, possibilities and approaches.

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    It's a scientific dictatorship and no mistake.

    cheers

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    Quote Posted by PathWalker (here)
    Quote Posted by FrankoL (here)
    Pre planed ideas are not good ones. It is already an agenda. Start with yourself (I did) and rest will follow. Lets see what happen.
    Very good quote.
    If you want a living sample of the Zietgest utopia, observe the Kibutz settelments movement in Israel (there are about 50 Kibutz setelments) that started as the most socialistic way of life in the 40tis. It is crumbling now with differential salaries and property distribution.

    I would add to the quote that hell or heaven are within. You (me as well) create your reality.
    Study the 12 laws of Karma to master your reality and experience. http://yourfriendinspirit.blogspot.c...-of-karma.html

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    the old individualist view... One must really be brainwashed too to understand socialism as a form of dictatorial leadership. Reminds me of MacArthurian's "commies hunt".. sad
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    NWO - Global dictatorship, amplifying the monetary system, with a global currency, power, control, exploitation, profit (from crime, drug trade, wars), global religion - to be able to get hold of people's heads.

    Venus Project - No dictatorship or authority as seen today (The A.I. is only deciding on the best possible way to allocate and distribute resources, not people), decision making is based on entire population (not majority, aka democracy), and if diametrically different - compromised approach is introduced (i can elaborate). End of wars, crime (organized and otherwise), hunger, diseases, organized religion, slavery, exploitation, profit and monetary economics.

    Since when does the NWO support end of capitalism, profit, money, and crime? If they do this, they loose everything. Without the money they hold no power or control.

    I think the most ridiculous thing is one to connect the Venus Project with the NWO.

    Agenda21 - PLEASE ... let's think straight here for a moment. The majority (if not all) Zeitgeist supporters think the overpopulation thing is a myth. And that there is no need for population control, and even less population reduction. Fresco himself mocked how other say the world is overpopulated and that there were not enough resources. I think even in the first movie. He said that it was BS.

    I think most of you think of the Zeitgeist Movement and the Venus Project the things you want to link them to.

    Yes, maybe the UN is in some way involved. With certain few people. you think all guys working in the government are evil? Or the people working at NASA?

    I think we are more intelligent than the comments we make regarding these issues. These sound infantile, and its the main reason why the general populous laughs at us.

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    Quote Posted by K626 (here)
    It's a scientific dictatorship and no mistake.

    cheers

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    Already is, from an academic point of view there is room only for what fits in the current consensus. In antique greece, science and religion (more like spiritual philosophy) were really the same. The outcome of which has been one of the most philanthropical organization of society. The materialist view of science today makes it a dictatorship. Plus, scientists today are so "specialized" that they are just unable (for the most) to get passed intellectual orthodoxy. Science lacks creativity and goals. The venus project has it all.
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    Quote Posted by Dale (here)
    ...Project would have to be the transition. How are we going to transition into this system after living, for the past few centuries, as a global economy based on scarcity and...?
    As when a teacher cleans a chalkboard, the students become restless and agitated, until the new thoughts are written.

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    New Age Communism: The "Zeitgeist" Agenda

    "Never give people the right to their own opinion!" - JACQUES FRESCO

    The Venus Project is one of a "thousand points of light" softening brains and lowering guards for their big hoax of 2012.
    After the negative reception Zeitgeist received for it's gratuitous anti-Christian content written by "Acharya S," we hoped that was the end of Zeitgeist.
    This is the link for that article http://http://www.savethemales.ca/ze...inati_exp.html
    But a year later in 2008, filmmaker Peter Joseph was back with "Zeitgeist Addendum." (Joseph's real name seems to be P.J. Mercola.) This time P.J. seemed to kowtow to a wild eyed little old man named, Jacques Fresco.
    Who is Peter Joseph? http://http://anticultist.wordpress....-peter-joseph/
    Joseph said, " Zeitgeist is the activist arm of the Venus Project". The Venus Project is 94-year old control freak Jacques Fresco, born in the Bronx in 1917. It is associated with the UN and pushes the familiar Communist Illuminati agenda: forever concentrating wealth and power in the hands of the Rothschild Crime Syndicate until they have it all. [Communism is a ruse to disguise this control as "public" or State ownership.]

    http://http://www.sovereignindependent.com/?p=15161
    In the words of Ernst Fischer, the Venus Project's "solution is Communism re-packaged to rope in the 21st century truth seeker." Here is a detailed comparison of the Zeitgeist philosophy and Communism.

    Fischer Continues: "Fresco spoke at the 10th anniversary of the UN's Earth charter last year and subsequently attended Mikael Gorbachevs congress, which you will find on thevenusproject.com hidden away in the Netherlands section. Hell even if for some reason you think rubbing shoulders with those mid level elites is okay, what about frescos co-speaker Ervin Laszlo, (who he "spent time with") who FOUNDED the Club of Budapest, with Aurelio Peccei, founder of the CLUB OF ROME, full of lovely Illuminati globalists, who want a one world order, unified, worshiping the earth, under a new age religion. What about him being invited to dinner in the Dutch queen's palace? As in Queen Beatrix.... of Bilderberg.

    Fresco, former member of the Communist party, wrote a book with Ken Keyes a while back. You don't just write a book with someone you barely know, so I might go so far as to say his good friend and colleague Keyes wrote a charming book called Planethood, go look it up. The book speaks not only of how the UN will fix the planet, but how they will install a One World Government "for the earth" Um, no thanks, what about the people? Or does Skynet just see us as more resources in the resource management program?"

    "JACQUES FRESNO"

    Fresno started out as an aircraft designer with a government contractor during the 1930's.

    After WWII he founded Ravell Plastics. If you ever assembled model airplane kits you probably bought some of his products. If you were into model airplane kits in the 1950's-60's, you remember the powerful airplane glue in the box, and you may recall getting headaches or even passing out.

    In Zeitgeist Addendum, Fresco shows his plastic model Utopia. He explains that all current social problems will be solved by technology. For example, his solution for drunk driving is cars that won't start if alcohol is detected. That sounds good........to a control freak. In reality, when you create more technology you have to create more solutions to solve the problems it creates. To see what I mean, visit the technological utopias in the movie "Brazil" (1985).

    In real life, designer oversight isn't so funny. Fifty years ago, Fresco's Ravell model airplane kits included a powerful toxic airplane glue in the box. That glue was eventually banned because the breathing the vapor killed brain cells. If the engineer is infallible, was lowering intelligence of boys during the 1950's-60's part of his plan? The folly of Plato's Republic is that the self appointed 'Guardians' is they set themselves up as God, while they outlaw free will for the rest of society.

    Fresco says there will be no government in his techno-utopia - but who's going to make these decisions without a visible, accountable government?

    Plato's Republic is the 2500-year-old blueprint of the New World Order. Plato wrote it as a fictional dialogue proposing humanity be ruled by a special class of people he called "the Guardians". The premise Plato's utopia is that the majority of people aren't entitled to their opinion, and for the good of society need to be told what to do from cradle to grave.

    Plato even proposed that people be bred for traits, like dogs and horses. Also in Plato's Republic, private property, marriage and nuclear family aren't allowed. The Illuminati pretty much adopted these views.

    In his essay, "Beyond Utopia," Fresco admired Plato's Republic, Karl Marx, and H. G. Wells novel about a Freemasonry of science, The Shape of Things to Come, in which Freemasons take over the world. Fresco lurked in the shadows during the run of the first Zeitgeist movie in 2007. Director Peter Joseph served as front man for Fresco's The Venus Project.

    THE PHONY GLOBAL REVOLUTION [1]

    The media sings the praises of "pro-democratic protests for change in government" as a "spontaneous social phenomenon." We're supposed to believe that for the first time in history, all we have to do is march in the streets and entrenched military dictatorships buckle to their knees - armies, secret police and all.

    How is this possible all of a sudden? The media present the usual array of experts who tell us it's the power of "social networking" technology. It's Facebook and Twitter.. Never mind that it's no secret that Facebook is a CIA tool.

    What's this got to do with the third installment in the series, Zeitgeist Moving Forward? The structure and message of all three movies is the same Diocletian formula of "Problem-Reaction-Solution" That's a method of manufacturing consent dating back to Rome.


    ZEITGEIST MOVING FORWARD

    Here is a synopsis of the last 11 minutes. Keep in mind this big production was released Jan 20, 2011 before the "Jasmine" "revolutions" had spread. See how the "Solution" script of Zeitgeist Moving Forward matches the "Problem-Reaction-Solution" from the Club of Rome's 1991 book, The First Global Revolution, Chap. V: The Vacuum.

    "PROBLEM"

    ZEITGEIST: "This isn't a recession. Jobs are never coming back. States won't be able to pay unemployment checks because they'll be out of money"

    VENUS PROJECT's JACQUES FRESCO:: "When things get so bad that people lose confidence in their elected leaders, they're going to demand change, if they don't kill each other first."

    CLUB OF ROME: "Democracy will be made to seem responsible for the lagging economy, the scarcity and uncertainties. The very concept of democracy could then be brought into question and allow for the seizure of power by extremists of one brand or the other."

    ZEITGEIST: It's clear that we're on the verge of a great transition in human life, What we face now is the change of this life we've known over the last century. "

    CLUB OF ROME: "In searching for a new enemy we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill."

    ZEITGEIST:newspaper headlines on famine, water shortage, unemployment, crime, and the Wall Street Journal UN DECLARES STATE OF GLOBAL EMERGENCY

    A crowd of culturally diverse people gathered in the streets in front of a central bank of a North American city.

    The people look up at a giant Times Square type TV screen to see shots of revolutions going on GLOBALLY and simultaneously.
    The marquee on the screen shows the words WORLD PROTESTS SHUT DOWN GLOBAL ECONOMY!

    The people get an idea...(yes we can!)

    The big TV shows protests in LONDON, BEIJING, MOSCOW, SPAIN, SOUTH AFRICA, CANADA, SAUDI ARABIA

    "REACTION"

    ZEITGEIST The street crowd collectively seeing the giant TV screen news get an idea...(yes we can!) Helicopters hover overhead, and battalion of white American riot police appears squaring off menacingly in front of the central bank.

    Next a bird's eye view of the city showing the mob packs the streets of the entire world.

    Seeing this from their top floor window of the Fed Central Bank the evil white men in the board room look depressed and defeated. The chairman of the board ponders a minute and snuffs out his cigar.

    He picks up the phone to put in a call to the lead cop to tell him to surrender -- to the people! The leader cop drops his helmet.

    'SOLUTION'

    Cue up happy music.

    A former wage slave throws his briefcase. up in the air , it .lands in slow motion and burst open and money inside is laying in the street. Then the whole mob throws away their wallets and checkbooks into a huge pile in the street. Finally a little boy throws his piggy bank in the street.

    The TV marquee says, TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS ARE BEING WITHDRAWN FROM BANKS AND THROWN IN THE STREETS. IN FRONT OF THE WORLD'S CENTRAL BANKS

    Next a little boy is looking at a snapshot of that day titled THE END OF HISTORY

    After evil Capitalists give up control of the world, the public has thrown their savings cash away, and instantly everything glows with celestial light and everything is free. And there are no old or homeless people.

    (How come there were no Chinese or Asians, or blacks in this movie?)

    JACQUES FRESCO: " If we try to visualize the future without families. there's fear, so when we make movies we put families in there. There will be no families. Those people won't want children. We do a survey of the carrying capacity of the earth, and that tells us how many people the earth can support."

    Wonder why after so much multicultural diversity it ends with this specimen of Lebensborn Eugenics giving a *wink* to the "bio-ethics" insiders?


    CLUB OF ROME: "This is the way we are setting the scene for mankind's encounter with the planet."


    CONCLUSION

    There are no new or original ideas in any of the movies. If you didn't see previous versions, don't waste your time. Just watch the last 11 minutes of Zeitgeist Moving Forward.

    Zeitgeist isn't activist, and it's not a movement. The actual purpose of Peter Joseph's work is to manufacture consent for the cashless system the international bank cabal planned a century ago.

    Lord Bertrand Russell wrote in his 1951 book "Impact of Science on Society" that the electronic cashless society will be a form of social control.

    "Credits" will be given to you on a weekly basis, and they have to be consumed by the end of the week, and cannot be saved up. If you are against the system and do not follow orders, you don't eat. Nobody will be able to help anyone else because all will be dependent on the system.

    Like Lord Russell, Fresco is a plutocrat whose retirement hobby is social engineering and raising an army of useful idiots.. During the Cold War hoax, Russell founded the "Pugwash movement" which used the fear of nuclear holocaust to trick hippies into holding rallies in Washington DC begging for world government. They must have been high, or didn't have the vocabulary to comprehend his wordy books.

    Zeitgeist One told people to lose their faith in their religion,

    Zeitgeist 1,2,& 3 told people that private property, savings, elected national democracy, and the right to your own opinion caused the economic crash, the 'war on terror', and 'global warming'.

    Now The Venus Project (Jacques Fresco) is telling you to withdraw all your money, savings and all and throw it away.

    If there were any doubt that Zeitgeist has been predictive programming to coincide with the 'flash mob' 'Global revolution, the last 11 minutes of Zeitgeist Moving On leave no doubt.

    The Venus Project is one of a "thousand points of light" softening brains and lowering guards for their big hoax of 2012. Another one is of course the Mayan Calendar nonsense. Now that we see real riots made to order, they've tipped their hand. If only people don't fall for it.

    Fresco's vision of a atheist Utopia alienated Buddhists, Hindus, and those into the galaxy of "new age" people. Aware of that, Peter Joseph is currently working next installment for 2012, dropping the 'Zeitgeist' branding, titled "Earth 2.0".

    It will push exactly the same cashless, collective society, but Zeitgeist's open atheism will be candy coated with a section on human consciousness as God. Quantum metaphysics Cabala camouflage will replace Jacques Fresco's overt assault on faith and metaphysics.


    Related Links----------------------------------------------------------------------------------


    First, here's a little background on the Zeitgeist movies.

    [2] CIA Gets in Your Face(book) WIRED Magazine Jan. 2007
    Since December 2006, the Central Intelligence Agency has been using Facebook.com, the popular social networking site, to recruit potential employees into its National Clandestine Service. It marks the first time the CIA has ventured into social networking to hire new personnel.
    http://www.wired.com/techbiz/it/news/2007/01/72545

    Why the Future Doesn't Need Us. WIRED Magazine April 2000
    Our most powerful 21st-century technologies - robotics, genetic engineering, and nanotech - are threatening to make humans an endangered species.
    http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/8.04/joy_pr.html

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    http://http://henrymakow.com/

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    Circe,

    discarding ideas because you can link people to them might not be such a constructivist approach. I'm glad I see no personal attacks and a good load of investigation together with a lot of speculation. still, you're expressing your view of things through the prism of your christian cultural / spiritual background, so it seems to me. knowing what catholicism is about, that it has served (and this is no speculation but historical analysis) primary as a mean to centralize power and keep people dumb with fear and guilt as the tools of the trade. communism in itself doesn't do that, it is how it has been expressed historically because corruption made its way into it, thanks to the control freaks. I don't buy that fresco is a puppet for the dark elite.
    technology only can help us build a world were everyone (any nation..) gets his basic needs answered. of course, if you want to militate for the conservation of american standards of living and protectionism you are on the right track.
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    Circe,

    discarding ideas because you can link people to them might not be such a constructivist approach. I'm glad I see no personal attacks and a good load of investigation together with a lot of speculation. still, you're expressing your view of things through the prism of your christian cultural / spiritual background, so it seems to me. knowing what catholicism is about, that it has served (and this is no speculation but historical analysis) primary as a mean to centralize power and keep people dumb with fear and guilt as the tools of the trade. communism in itself doesn't do that, it is how it has been expressed historically because corruption made its way into it, thanks to the control freaks. I don't buy that fresco is a puppet for the dark elite.
    technology only can help us build a world were everyone (any nation..) gets his basic needs answered. of course, if you want to militate for the conservation of american standards of living and protectionism you are on the right track.
    It seems to me that some of you guys like this concept because you think this is communism as it is meant to be.
    Yet there is so much missing from their equation that it screams out to me ''suspicious'' and demands questioning.
    I also am miffed that you right off his opinion in such an offhanded manner.

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    Circe,

    discarding ideas because you can link people to them might not be such a constructivist approach. I'm glad I see no personal attacks and a good load of investigation together with a lot of speculation. still, you're expressing your view of things through the prism of your christian cultural / spiritual background, so it seems to me. knowing what catholicism is about, that it has served (and this is no speculation but historical analysis) primary as a mean to centralize power and keep people dumb with fear and guilt as the tools of the trade. communism in itself doesn't do that, it is how it has been expressed historically because corruption made its way into it, thanks to the control freaks. I don't buy that fresco is a puppet for the dark elite.
    technology only can help us build a world were everyone (any nation..) gets his basic needs answered. of course, if you want to militate for the conservation of american standards of living and protectionism you are on the right track.

    wrong! these are not my views, look at the source(s) clearly linked.
    It is a piece written by Richard Evans for the Henry Makow website.
    Source Link again http://henrymakow.com/
    I found the article on the Henry Makow website today and I thought of this thread.So I posted the article in the hope it would contribute or maybe help someone who is interested in this subject.Nothing more,nothing less.

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    New Age Communism: The "Zeitgeist" Agenda
    I don't have time to refute your entire post ( I will another time, I ensure you ). But for now I would like to point something out:

    Quote Posted by Circe (here)
    "Never give people the right to their own opinion!" - JACQUES FRESCO
    Replace the word 'people', with 'scientists', and you will have what Jacque actually said.

    He said scientists should not deal with personal opinions, but facts. They are paid for that here, they should be volunteering for that in this Venus type of system.

    But like every single other "wanna-be-debunker" - you resort to twisting the words to shape it to your own perspective.

    How nice

    Chereo till next time

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    It seems to me that some of you guys like this concept because you think this is communism as it is meant to be.
    Yet there is so much missing from their equation that it screams out to me ''suspicious'' and demands questioning.
    Well not exactly.. I'm actually speaking from a designer point of view. Not a political one. I'm not implying that the venus project is offering a working system. I find it being on the right track as a resources based economy is to me a lot more able to promote true development. The implications of profit driven economies are huge in terms of the creation of our material world. There are so many drawbacks that it really is a cancer for the development of humanity. So many good ideas that would benefit people are just abandoned because those are not "financially viable", programmed obsolescence is a cynical joke in the face of third world countries as we keep on extracting the needed raw materials for this capitalist orgy. Those are facts my friend, I'm thankfull to Circe for his commitment to research the subject, but I really think it is biased either by his own assumptions (check out the title of his post...) or the ones expressed by the people he quoted. He draws ties that are really questionable to say the least. It is in no way an attempt to remain objective as he already convinced himself of the links between the nwo and jacques fresco... I worked for the venus project for a while, and, from what I have seen and exchanged, the arguments in Circes' post don't hold.

    Quote I also am miffed that you right off his opinion in such an offhanded manner.
    Didn't mean to right off anyones' opinion, I guess dissent is welcome on those pages. Sorry if I've hurt anyone. Just didn't like the approach, the post is, to me, willingly trying to debunk the venus project. Which, again, from my point of view, is nearing paranoia.
    Still, glad I could miff the dark lord, thought he was standing one step above that..
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