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    Quote Posted by PathWalker (here)
    1. The EU controlled media is extremely negative toward Israel and very pro Arab.
    2. The US controlled media is extremely negative toward the Arabs and very pro Israel.
    3. There is an active dedicated thread for ranting and venting about Israeli/Palestinian conflict in here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...inian-conflict
    A perfect example of divide and conquer.

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    Besieging Israel's siege

    In just a few years the Palestinian campaign to boycott Israeli goods
    has become truly global
    Omar Barghouti
    The Guardian, Thursday 12 August 2010

    Despite Israel's siege of Gaza, and the escalating displacement in the
    Negev and East Jerusalem, Palestinians have some reason to celebrate.
    In Washington a food co-op has passed a resolution calling for a
    boycott of Israeli products, confirming that the boycott movement –
    five years old last month – has finally crossed the Atlantic. Support
    for the move came from prominent figures including Nobel peace
    laureates Desmond Tutu and Máiread Maguire, and Richard Falk, the UN's
    special rapporteur on the Palestinian territories.

    The movement for boycott, divestment and sanctions (BDS) against
    Israel was launched in 2005, a year after the international court of
    justice had found Israel's wall and colonies built on occupied
    Palestinian territory illegal. Over 170 Palestinian political parties,
    unions, mass movements and NGOs endorsed the movement, which is led by
    the BNC, a coalition of civil society organisations.

    Rooted in a century of Palestinian civil resistance, and inspired by
    the anti-apartheid struggle, the campaign crowned earlier, partial
    boycotts to present a comprehensive approach to realising Palestinian
    self-determination: unifying Palestinians inside historic Palestine
    and in exile in the face of accelerating fragmentation.

    BDS avoids the prescription of any particular political formula and
    insists, instead, on realising the basic, UN-sanctioned rights that
    correspond to the three main segments of the Palestinian people:
    ending Israel's occupation and colonisation of all Arab lands occupied
    since 1967; ending racial discrimination against its Palestinian
    citizens; and recognising the right of Palestinian refugees to return
    to their homes, as stipulated in UN resolution 194.

    Created and guided by Palestinians, BDS opposes all forms of racism,
    including antisemitism, and is anchored in the universal principles of
    freedom, justice and equal rights that motivated the anti-apartheid
    and US civil rights struggles.

    Characterising Israel's legalised system of discrimination as
    apartheid – as was done by Tutu, Jimmy Carter and even a former
    Israeli attorney general – does not equate Israel with South Africa.
    No two oppressive regimes are identical. Rather, it asserts that
    Israel's bestowal of rights and privileges according to ethnic and
    religious criteria fits the UN-adopted definition of apartheid.

    BDS has seen unprecedented growth after the war of aggression on Gaza
    and the flotilla attack. People of conscience round the world seem to
    have crossed a threshold, resorting to pressure, not appeasement or
    "constructive engagement", to end Israel's impunity and western
    collusion in maintaining its status as a state above the law.

    "Besiege your siege" – the cry of the Palestinian poet Mahmoud Darwish
    – acquires a new meaning in this context. Since convincing a colonial
    power to heed moral pleas for justice is, at best, delusional, many
    now understand the need to "besiege" Israel though boycotts, raising
    the price of its oppression.

    BDS campaigners have successfully lobbied financial institutions in
    Scandinavia, Germany and elsewhere to divest from companies that are
    complicit in Israel's violations of international law. Several
    international trade unions have endorsed the boycott. Following the
    attack on the flotilla, dockworkers' unions in Sweden, India, Turkey
    and the US heeded an appeal by Palestinian unions to block offloading
    Israeli ships.

    Endorsements of BDS by cultural figures such as John Berger, Naomi
    Klein, Iain Banks and Alice Walker, and the spate of cancellations of
    events in Israel by artists including Meg Ryan, Elvis Costello, Gil
    Scott-Heron and the Pixies have raised the movement's international
    profile, bringing it closer to the western mainstream. Scepticism
    about its potential has been put to rest.

    Boycott from Within, a significant protest movement in Israel today,
    was formed in 2009 adopting the Palestinian BDS call.

    A bill that would impose heavy fines on Israelis who initiate or
    incite boycotts against Israel has recently passed an initial reading
    at the Knesset. This underlines Israel's fears of the global reach and
    impact of BDS as a non-violent, morally consistent campaign for
    justice. In many ways, it confirms that the Palestinian "South Africa
    moment" has arrived.

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    Universal Jurisdiction To Hold Israel Accountable
    By Stephen Lendman

    The well-established universal jurisdiction principle (UJ) holds that certain crimes are too grave to ignore, including genocide, crimes of war and against humanity.

    Thus, under UJ, nations may investigate and prosecute foreign nationals when their country of residence or origin won't, can't, or hasn't for any reason. Israel used it to convict and execute Adolph Eichmann. A US court sentenced Chuckie Taylor, son of the former Liberian president, to 97 years in prison for torture.

    In March 2003, the Special Court for Sierre Leone (SCSL) indicted his father, Charles Taylor, for crimes of war and against humanity. His trial at The Hague's International Court of Justice (ICC) remains ongoing.

    Though never held accountable for murdering Chileans and committing other human rights abuses, Britain used a Spanish court provisional warrant to apprehend Augusto Pinochet, hold him under house arrest for 18 months, and set a precedent, making other heads of state and top officials vulnerable. Pinochet's bogus ill health claim sent him home, irreparably damaged and disgraced.

    Under Article 7 of the Charter of the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg:

    "The official position of defendants, whether as Head of State or responsible officials in Government departments, shall not be considered as freeing them from responsibility or mitigating punishment."

    No one deserves immunity for high crimes demanding accountability. It's time that applied to America and Israel, the two worst offenders.

    In June 2009 at a Madrid, Spain conference, Raji Sourani, Palestinian Centre for Human Rights (PCHR) Director made the case, saying:

    "Today, the Gaza Strip lies in ruins" months after Israel's offensive, killing about 1,500, injuring over 5,000, and causing vast destruction - "an illegal form of collective punishment" ongoing for over three years under siege. "For too long now, Israel has been allowed to violate international law with impunity....This situation cannot be allowed to prevail....It is for this very reason that universal jurisdiction is so important....(It) offers hope to victims throughout the entire world, in many cases, it is their only hope." It's long past time to hold Israel accountable.

    The Compelling Case for UC

    A recent PCHR publication is titled, "The Principle and Practice of Universal Jurisdiction," explaining it in detail with examples, its highlights discussed below.

    Though horrific, Cast Lead was just the latest example of decades of Israeli lawlessness - little discussed, unaddressed and unresolved. "Regrettably, this lack of accountability, and the resultant climate of impunity, has been a longstanding feature of Israel's" illegal occupation. "Israel has been allowed to act as a State above the law."

    Yet it exists to be enforced. Otherwise, it's irrelevant. However, Palestinians have "limited judicial mechanisms available." According to the 1995 Israel-Palestine Interim Agreement on the West Bank and Gaza Strip, the Palestinian Authority (PA) has no jurisdiction over Israel, including its officials, armed forces members, or other citizens.

    Nonetheless, Israel is required to investigate and prosecute its citizens accused of international crimes, a responsibility it's ducked with impunity, a glaring deficiency in its judicial system, exempting war criminals from accountability, in violation of inviolable international standards and principles.

    "Justice for Palestinians is not attainable within this system." UJ is the remedy, a "stepping stone (to) universal justice," to protect everyone without discrimination, to address crimes too grave to ignore, to set a precedent for future prosecutions, and warn offenders they're vulnerable.

    No accountability encourages criminality, offenders knowing they're safe and can act lawlessly with impunity, especially Israel, shielded by America, the West, and regional indifference or complicity. As a result, Palestinians have suffered grievously for decades, world leaders not giving a damn about their rights or the rule of law, breaking it themselves for not caring.

    It's high time UJ principles enforce accountability, using Israel as a test case, including its top government and military officials, guilty of high crimes too grave to be ignored, raising hope for all victims of injustice globally.

    Above all, "The pursuit of universal jurisdiction is (the) pursuit of justice. It seeks to ensure an effective remedy for victims - combined with the goal of deterrence - and accountability for those responsible for crimes which 'shock the conscience of humanity.' "

    The Applicable Legal Framework

    Palestine is belligerently occupied. As a result, international law applies, including the four Geneva Conventions, Hague Regulations, other international humanitarian law (IHL), and Additional Protocols to the Geneva Conventions. As a signatory, Israel is legally bound, including under International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (ICEPR) provisions such as:

    -- Article 2, concerning the right to an effective remedy;

    -- Article 14, regarding the right to a fair trial; and

    -- Article 26, affirming the right of everyone to protection under the law.

    Traditional v. Universal Jurisdiction

    Legally, jurisdiction is "the authority of states to prescribe their law, to subject persons and things to adjudication in their courts and other tribunals, and to enforce their law, both judicially and non-judicially," by civil or criminal means.

    Five "prescriptive jurisdiction" bases include nationality, territoriality, the protective principle, the passive personality principle, and universal jurisdiction, this discussion focusing on UJ.

    It requires "no link of territoriality or nationality between the State and conduct of the offender, nor is the State seeking to protect its security or credit." Only the crime matters, UJ reserved for the worst, ones too serious to go unpunished, their gravity justifying UJ's existence.

    Initially for piracy, they were considered outlaws, operating extraterritorially in international waters. Today, international crimes are considered so "threatening to the international community or so heinous in scope and degree that they offend the interest of humanity," all states needing to address them.

    However, until post-WW II, UJ applied only to piracy and slave trading, thereafter to genocide, crimes of war and against humanity, as established by the Nuremberg Charter and Judgment, now defined by the ICC to include systematic attacks against civilians, including murder, enslavement, deportation or forcible transfer, false imprisonment, torture, rape, sexual slavery, collective punishment, enforced disappearance, and apartheid.

    Guilty parties are considered hostis humani generis - enemies of mankind. War crimes are against the jus gentium - the law of nations, international law established to address them.

    The International Law Commission's (ILC) principle VI of the Principles of International Law Recognized in the Charter of the Nuremberg Tribunal and in the Judgment of the Tribunal, determined that crimes of war and against humanity "rise to the level of international crime," now recognized under customary international law.

    A national court exercising UJ acts not in its name, but for the international community - only when responsible countries won't, can't or haven't. In other words, as a last resort.

    In addition, various post-WW II Conventions, including the four Geneva ones and their Common Article 1 obligates all High Contracting Parties to "respect and ensure respect for the present Convention in all circumstances;" namely, to apply its principles universally, requiring High Contracting Parties "search for persons alleged to have committed, or to have ordered to be committed, such grave breaches, and shall bring such persons, regardless of their nationality, before its own courts."

    At Nuremberg, the concepts of individual and command criminal responsibility were addressed, the Tribunal Principles holding that "(a)ny person who commits an act which constitutes a crime under international law is responsible therefor and liable to punishment....(c)rimes against international law are committed by men, not by abstract entities, and only by punishing individuals who commit (them) can the provisions of international law be enforced."

    The Rome Statute's Article 25 of the ICC codified this principle, affirming the culpability of persons committing crimes of war and against humanity. In addition, commanders and their superiors are specifically culpable if they "either knew or, owing to the circumstances at the time, should have known that the forces were committing or about to commit such crimes, (and) failed to take all necessary and reasonable measures within his or her power to prevent or repress their commission or to submit the matter to the competent authorities for investigation and prosecutions."

    Nuremberg established that immunity is null and void, including for heads of state, other top officials, and top commanders. In addition, genocide, crimes of war and against humanity are so grave that statute of limitation provisions don't apply.

    Final Comments

    UJ is to ensure that individuals committing high crimes are held accountable, essential under the rule of law. Otherwise, it's meaningless. All too often, however, populations, like the Palestinians, are abused for many decades, Israel getting away with mass murder and other grave breaches of law.

    As a result, UJ is the only alternative, national courts willing to use it an essential judicial remedy. It's high time they take the first step to universal justice, sending a powerful message that crimes this egregious won't stand, no matter who commits them or shares responsibility.

    Stephen Lendman lives in Chicago and can be reached at lendmanstephen@sbcglobal.net. Also visit his blog site at sjlendman.blogspot.com and listen to cutting-edge discussions with distinguished guests on the Progressive Radio News Hour on the Progressive Radio Network Thursdays at 10AM US Central time and Saturdays and Sundays at noon. All programs are archived for easy listening.

    Source: http://www.rense.com/general91/hold.htm
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    The Iron Wall.
    Documentary of the strategy used by Israel (Zionism) to expand occupation of neighbouring land
    and permanently occupy it, in spite of international law and their own promises of the opposite.
    Deceit is only one ingredience in this portrait of the most arrogant and racist people on the planet.

    - opening statement:
    "Zionist colonization must either stop, or else proceed regardless of the native population.
    Which means that it can proceed and develop only under the protection of a power that is
    independent of the native population behind an iron wall, which the native population cannot breach."
    - Vladimir Jabotinski, father of the zionist right, nov. 1923
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    Portions of the Book of Jeremiah

    The next time someone from the Zionist community talks of the Jews
    being ‘God’s chosen people’ and how we are all supposed to ‘bless them
    so that we will be blessed’ and why all the violence and suffering
    that has been inflicted upon the innocent of the Middle East is
    justified because of how favored these people are in God’s eyes,
    temper their delusion with just a few words from the Book of Jeremiah,
    part of the same ‘Bible’ they use in justifying Israel’s existence–

    ‘I will pronounce my judgment on these people (the Jews) because of
    their wickedness in forsaking me…

    I brought you into a fertile land, but you came and defiled my land
    and made my inheritance detestable…

    The priests did not ask ‘Where is the Lord?’ …

    Those who deal with the law did not know me and the leaders rebelled against me…

    Therefore I bring charges against you, your children and against your
    children’s children…

    These people have forsaken me, the spring of living water…

    Your wickedness will punish you and your backsliding will rebuke you…

    Long ago you broke off your yoke and said ‘I will not serve you!’
    Indeed on every high hill, you lay down as a prostitute…

    Why did you turn against me and become a corrupt, wild vine?

    Although you wash yourself with an abundance of soap the stain of your
    guilt is still before me…

    As a thief is disgraced only when caught, so too is the house of
    Israel disgraced…they, their kings and officials, priests and prophets
    have turned their backs to me and not their faces…

    You have all rebelled against me…

    In vain did I punish these people and yet they did not respond to correction…

    Your sword has devoured your prophets like a ravening lion…

    These people have forgotten me…Even the worst of women can learn from your ways…

    On your clothes men find the lifeblood of the innocent poor, and yet
    in spite of all this you dare to say ‘I am innocent!’

    But I will pass judgment upon you, O Israel…You have lived as a
    prostitute with many lovers. Look up to the barren heights and see, is
    there any place where you haven’t been ravaged? By the roadside you
    sat, waiting for lovers. You have defiled the land with your
    prostitution and wickedness. You have the brazen look of a prostitute
    and refuse to blush with shame…

    These people are fools…They do not know me. They are senseless
    children and have no understanding. They are skilled in evil and know
    not how to do good…

    Go up and down the streets of Jerusalem…Look around and search her
    squares…If you can find but one person who deals honestly and seeks
    the truth I will forgive this city…

    Therefore a lion from the forest will attack them…a wolf from the
    desert will ravage them…a leopard will lie in wait near their towns to
    tear to pieces any who venture out, for their rebellion is great and
    their backslidings many…

    Why should I forgive you? Your children have forsaken me. I supplied
    all their needs and yet they committed adultery and thronged the
    houses of prostitutes…Should I not punish them for this? Should I not
    avenge myself upon a nation such as this?

    ‘O house of Israel’ declares the Lord,

    ‘I am bringing a distant nation against you,

    An ancient and enduring nation,

    A people whose language you do not know and whose speech you do not understand…

    They will devour your harvests, sons and daughters, your flocks and herds…

    With the sword they will utterly destroy the fortified cities in which
    you trust…

    Hear this, you foolish and senseless people, who have eyes but do not
    see and ears but do not hear…

    Should you not fear me? Should you not tremble in my presence?

    Among these people (the Jews) are wicked men who lie in wait like men
    who snare birds…Their house are full of deceit, they have become rich
    and powerful and have grown fat and sleek and their evil deeds have no

    They defend neither the orphans nor the poor…

    Should I not punish them for this? Should I not avenge myself upon a
    nation such as this?

    A horrible thing has happened in this land of Israel…

    The prophets tell lies and the priests rule by their own authority and
    my people love it this way…

    Therefore this is what the Lord says of Jerusalem–‘This city must be
    punished, for it is filled with oppression…

    As a well pours out its water so Jerusalem pours out her
    wickedness…Violence and destruction resound in her and her sickness is
    forever before me…

    Take warning, O Jerusalem, or I will make your land desolate so no one
    can live in it…

    And yet, their ears remain closed and the word of the Lord is
    offensive to them. They find no pleasure in it…

    From the least to the greatest, all are greedy for gain, prophet and
    priest alike, all practice deceit…

    The leaders dress the wound of these people as though it were not
    serious, and yet, are they ashamed of their loathsome conduct? No,
    they have no shame at all…They do not even know how to blush…

    Therefore they will fall among the fallen and will be brought down
    when I punish them…

    I will bring an end to the sounds of joy in the towns of Judah and the
    streets of Jerusalem, for the land will become desolate…

    Why does Jerusalem always turn away? They cling to deceit and no one
    repents of his wickedness, saying ‘what have I done?’

    Each pursues his own course like a horse charging into battle…How can
    you say ‘We are wise, for we have the law of the Lord?’ when the lying
    pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?

    Therefore I will give their wives to other men and their fields to new owners…

    No one speaks the truth…They have taught their tongues to lie and they
    weary themselves with doing evil…

    It is because they have forsaken me and instead followed the
    stubbornness of their hearts that I will make them eat bitter food and
    drink poisoned water. I will scatter them among nations that neither
    they nor their fathers have known and I will pursue them with the
    sword until I have destroyed them…

    There is a conspiracy among the people of Jerusalem…

    They have returned to the evil ways of their forefathers who refused
    to listen to me…

    Therefore I will bring upon them a disaster they cannot escape and
    although they cry out to me, I will not listen to them…

    Do not pray for these people nor plead for them, because I will not
    listen in the time of distress…Do not pray for the well-being of these
    people, for I will not listen to their cry…

    Instead, I will destroy them with the sword, famine and plague…

    The prophets of Israel tell lies in my name…

    I have not sent them or spoken to them…

    They are prophesying to you false visions and the delusions of their
    own mind, saying ‘No sword or famine will touch Israel.’

    But those prophets will perish by sword and famine and those who
    listen to them will be thrown into the streets of Jerusalem…

    There will be no one to bury them or their wives, their sons or daughters…

    I will pour out upon them the calamity they deserve…

    Who will have pity on you, O Jerusalem?

    Who will mourn for you?

    You have rejected me, so I will lay hands on you and destroy you…

    I can no longer show you compassion…

    I will bring bereavement and destruction on these people for they have
    not changed their ways…

    Your wealth and your treasures I will give away as plunder, because of
    all the sins of your country…

    For my anger will kindle a fire that will burn against you, for I, the
    sovereign Lord am against you, Jerusalem, and will punish you as your
    deeds deserve and will kindle a fire in your forests that will consume
    everything around you…

    Through your own fault you will lose the inheritance I gave you, for
    you have kindled my anger and it will burn FOREVER…

    …And of course, what this all proves is that God is a horrible, evil,
    rotten anti-Semite, neo-Nazi and Hitler apologist, right?

    By crescentandcross
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    The israeli separation (annectation) Wall is the result of long time, cynical planning and building,
    but seems its very fast to tear it down if dynamite and will is just used smart and focused ...

    Gaza wall comes down. Part of the wall on the egyptian border was demolished jan 2008.

    report from Al-Jazeera 080123

    Dubai TV 080124

    Al-Arabiya 080125
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