What Is A Shaman and What Does A Shaman Do?

[shamanseeker]

Posted by Dig (here)

Posted by shamanseeker (here)
But neither do I dismiss people who have claimed to have seen them for themselves ,based on my own experiences....I can understand how they are experiencing those sorts of things. That doesn't mean its important though. The same way I understand why those who have never had the experience believe in reptiles without having the experience of them. The same reason they believe in religions or believe anything. False idols. They are getting somethign from it. Its sorta the whole devil concept all over again. Veneration through fear and temptation. Succumbing to an authority on the matter. The same way we've always been duped. Not to say it doesn't exist it just doesn't exist the way people have imagined it to exist. One may see a reptile but do they really know what they are seeing?

Hi 9eagle9,
Maybe it isn't that important if they are reptilian or not but if you saw one shapeshifting, I'm sure you'd being asking questions yourself. I am very interested in shamanism and would like to study it. I think it's perfectly normal for me to ask Ishtar about this as she said she doesn't believe that they exist, don't you?
Best wishes

The Shaman that has worked with me has told me of them(Reptiles) she as also alluded to the creation of the devil around 36,000 years ago

Thanks Dig!
Credo Mutwa the African Sanusi or shaman has also had dealings with them. They are talked about a lot in Africa.

[Decibellistics]

I'm a huge proponent of Narby's view that you are actually communicating with your DNA if you see the snakes in DMT/Ayahuasca space. As for reptillians.....I haven't seen em....but I sure as **** can feel em.

[Ishtar]

Posted by Decibellistics (here)
I'm a huge proponent of Narby's view that you are actually communicating with your DNA if you see the snakes in DMT/Ayahuasca space. As for reptillians.....I haven't seen em....but I sure as **** can feel em.

Hi Deceibellistics

Yes, I've also seen these reptiles in the other dimensions, but they are firmly there, in the Other Worlds, and not here.

I love Jeremy Narby's book, I think it was a seminal work.

Here's a small review of it from my site.

The Cosmic Serpent - DNA and the Origins of Knowledge by Jeremy Narby The author works through a number of fields - molecular biology, shamanism, neurology and ancient mythology - to discover that ancient shamanic cultures, from the Australian Aborigines to the Egyptians, have known for millennia about the double helix structure of DNA. He found Peruvian shamans who commune with the data contained in the language of the DNA of plants, which they refer to as 'spirit'. In other words, the spirit of the plant 'talks to them', to reveal its medicinal properties.

There is another confusion about serpents/reptiles in the past which I believe comes from a misunderstanding about how to read myths ...

There was, at one time in the Neolithic period, a Serpent Cult of which the wise teachers, such as the Sumerian Ea, were known as serpents. This fed through to Druidic times, with one of the higher levels of Druid teachers being known as Adders. The story of Arthur Pendragon came from this strata ... Pen means 'head' in Celtic, and 'dragon' is the serpent. So head serpent in this context means head wise teacher.

I think the wise teachers were also dubbed 'serpents' because they knew how to work with the serpent or dragon lines of energy, known as leylines today. Even today, shamans and Druids work with these dragon currents, and can move them. I've been recently working with a Druid who's moved both the Michael and Mary lines, in line with the higher spirits of the Divine Will. It's very beautiful and special work, and I feel privileged to be a part of it.

Of course, our intertwined, serpentine DNA could be seen metaphorically as the leylines of our bodies. Working to upgrade our DNA could be compared to moving or strengthening a leyline.

[9eagle9]

sorry for the length of my posts. Our conditioning is as such that we come to expect little sound bites --instant gratification cultures--but in actuality getting closer to the truth takes a little bit more time to express. To your perception and experience that may very well be your reality.

But it is apparent that barriers and boundaries are coming down. Shamanism never went anywhere its a state of being, not a revival or phenomenon. A show although shamanism is quickly become a show, a bit of entertaiment for the gulllible. Its a state of being that expresses itself naturally once the barriers that prevent that expression come down. It's not dependent on social revival or culture. Shamans typically didn't billboard themselves because humanity had Burning Times and the Inquistion....so it may appear that its a revival but it never went anywhere.

When something is no longer blocking or barring the way to spirit, doesn't the barrier come down? yet you state barriers can't come down. That's two opposing core values and they are Judeo Christian in nature, false contructs imbedded in the human psyche and returned to always .


So you see why your statements appear to contradict themselves to me. A shaman may express they are beings that have lost their mind because there are certain elements to the mind, like the ego that doesn't allow shamanic expression. A barrier. A sort of joke to lose one's mind. Not they are mentally ill, they've broken certain barriers within themselves to be able access and traverse other dimensions of themselves. Humans have different dimensions to them. I know some percieve that dimensions are places and that one has to 'go somewhere' to retrieve a soul but a soul doesn't go anywhere, its constant state that one's common perception can't experience because of certain barriers. Are we suggesting those barriers shouldn't come down? You alternately implying they should but they can't.

Regardless of what we think or believe, or how contradictory our beliefs are, they are.


For others who breakdown these barriers it's a different experience .

And if you work with spirits that may be very well what they have told you, but what have they demonstrated to you, as evidence or rather what can be shown.... is a different matter. Spirits tell me a lot of things, but until they show me something do something they are just talking heads. I don't assign a spirit of automatically having authority over my expression. Spirits are not an authority on anything unless we choose to make them do so . So there a discernement value with working with spirits. I used disernment with working with spirits that are still permeating a physical shell and that value holds true with non physical spirits. What gives a spirit authority? The authority we give to it.

. The creation is matrices are in part contained within us. You break down the barriers and it expresses itself. It's hidden in the open. In lots of places its been fragemented and hidden in places like mathematics, astrology, tarot, religions, alchemy, science, numerology, genetics, symbology, elements (chemistry) psychology, physics. These are things we are possessed of and can create from when we start pulling the fragments deposited in each modality back together. Instead they have been pitted against each other. This makes this accessible to people , not squirreled away in a place that may only exist in someone's mind or guarded by jealous spirits. That a judeo-Christian value that creation is kept by spirits.

The breaking down of barriers is demonstrated in many ways. Demonstrated means its shown, not talked about. Expressed.

If it can be shown then one can't deny its occuring unless one does not believe what they are observing or aren't aware of what they are observing. It's happening all around and has been for a very long time. Show someone how to observe an aura and they've broken down a barrier that previously prevented them from observing that dimension of another person or themselves. Usually that barrier was created by a belief. It is very easy to bring down that barrier. An aura is simply another dimensions ourselves. A non physical one. Like consciouness. The physical body represents three dimensions , an aura another, consciousness, another all permeating each other. Among others. Easily demonstrated in large ways and in small how dimensions are broke down. Humans once didn't know what consciouness was or understand how it pertained to them. Now they do; that barrier is coming down and as it comes down we find consciouness is not infalliable. We find out what occurs in consciouness is created by.

If you are working with spirits you've broken down a barrier, a blockage .

But that doesn't mean I need to trust what they TELL me anymore than I trust what a 3d person tells me. What they demonstrate to me is another matter. A belief doesn't DO anything. Creative properties do. Plant essence (spirits) demonstrate a lot. Show a lot. Shamans use plant spirit helpers for that reason. They break down barriers so people can experience a different dimension of themselves. If the shaman could do that on their own without the plant helper why bring the plant spirit into the equation? The plant has demonstrated it can DO something.

Doing that has certain healing properties attached to it but basically that is what is occuring when a shaman takes right with its plant spirit helpers. Because they show something or do something evidential not just a thought, an idea, or a belief that really do anything but can create more barriers.

Not everyone observes how non physical dimensions permeate this one. Or rather dimensions of varying densities. Densities have to come down, barriers. There's many dimensions and facets to individuals that they will never experience because of these barriers. Some people will bring those barriers down so...the barriers can come down. Individuals demonstrate this every day. There's many dimensions to people and some are not real , they were imposed on us. Take away the physical aspect and what remains is the constant, the spirit. One observes when another person dies, the physical shell is no longer permeated by the animation, the essence the spirit, but animation still remains. The presence. What being in the present correlates to. And casting off this physical shell is not release from a barrier? The animation didn't go anywhere, some dense dimensions fell away from it 1st, 2nd and 3rd.

You are of course entitled to your belief but a belief is an idea ,a thought ,but I find the thought that spirits jealously guarding secrets the same value as the Vatican guarding secrets . Who does that serve? What good does it do us they are jealously guarding secrets and not allowing us access to other dimensions which we are basically caught or stuck in this one. With no other recourse. I know that not to be true. If it is true there's no point to attempting to free ourelves because we are not our own jailers but something else is.

So you will see why your statements appear to contradict themselves to me. I'm sure the notions of barriers serve Psy-ops as well as any other density they aren't overly picky. And how psy ops works is targeting the barriers, and blockages within us. Usually fear based. They manipulate people with bull****, even positive sounding bull****. ESPECIALLY positive sounding bull****.

[Ishtar]

9eagle9 ~ there may be a difference of semantics here.

The barriers or walls are not coming down, but the protocols which are needed for the shaman to guide his apprentice through the gates are now becoming available to us again. Or perhaps we could use the word 'portal'? In order to pass through the portals in these walls, you need the guidance of a shaman. It's as if you were going into a stranger's house. You wouldn't go in without being invited or with a friend who has been invited.

Historically, the walls between the dimensions become slightly thinner ~ although never on the point of dissolving completely ~ at certain times of the year. The ancients knew about these special times and so timed their festival or Holy-days for those times. We have just passed through one, on October 31st/November1st. The Celtics called that special time Samhain, and the Christians co-opted it as All Hallows Eve or Halloween. That's why people dress up as ghosts and witches and demons on Halloween....it's a Christian misunderstanding about pagan rites and the world of spirit, but nevertheless, that time is still marked.

It would be terrible if the walls all came tumbling down, but luckily there's no danger of it. You just need a shaman to guide you through the gate or the portal.

Thanks for your interest and my point about your posts being long was in no way a criticism but meant as an apology for being unable to answer everything.

[Arrowwind]

Posted by Ishtar (here)
But I would like to respond to this:

"The existence that boundaries between dimensions and densities are breaking down is demonstrated by shamanic people..." because it runs entirely counter to my experience.

The boundaries between dimensions and densities are not breaking down and are strong as they've ever been, and there is no intention that they will break down in the future. The spirits in charge of the morphology of our Creation would never allow it and neither is there a single human being on this Earth capable of dissolving them.

Why you're seeing more shamans now, taking journeys through the 'veils', is not because it is a new phenomenom. It is a revival of a phenomenon that's as old as the hills. It is a technique that was practised by our ancestors hundreds of thousands of years ago. This is why you so often find that oldest scriptures, like the Vedas, were written by rishis (Indian shamans) who say that this lore was revealed to them by spirits. You also find this with the Dogon and other indigenous cultures. But unfortunately it gets misunderstood by those with no experience in shamanism and miscast and portrayed as extraterrestrials arriving in spaceships to help man understand about botany, agriculture, minerology, and so on. Even now the South American shamans learn about herbal medicine by communing with the spirits of the plant. This is the way all our earliest ancestors learned ~ direct from spirits through the shamanic experience by travelling through the veils ~ and that involved following certain protocols to cross through the gates. It was these protocols that got lost over the last 2,000 years with first Christianity, and then modern science, both religions (in my view) that either block the way to Spirit or say that Spirit is evil or, in the case of science, that Spirit doesn't exist.

So for 2,000 years, the way has been blocked through the walls between the dimensions ...not because the walls were thicker than they are now but because the protocols and in fact, all the teachings were lost.

Thankfully, though, they were only buried and shamans like me work with the spirits to uncover that learning again, so that we can teach others how to do it.

I really can't make this point strongly enough because I don't want this to be something else that's picked up Psy-Ops and made into a movie to scare us into submission. The walls between the dimensions are not thinning or disappearing. They're as strong as they ever were.

Yes, I really agree with you here. This is very ancient knowledge and some people are shamanistic intuitively, likely having learned the skills in past lives. It was a more natural state of being at one time,, and in essence, in more recent earth history, it is what the catholic church has been fighting against since inception... hence the attacks on the pagans and women who had power and all those who had more earth based wisdoms.. as shamanism is earth based. When you are connected in knowledge with the earth that opens access to many levels of experience for the mother earth is integrated and a multidimensional home for many types of entities and her children are multifaceted

Nope, Ive never seen a reptilian.. that I am aware of.. not in 3D or other levels. I do suppose what you encounter will be based on your intent and what you wish to experience or your general level of vibration. I have encountered demons though... and done battle with that... and did win... or so it seems, as I am intact and feel impenetrable to such energies. I really don't know why I went though that exccept for some karmic workings out needed to be done.. It convinced me that they do exist... and so I could assume that for those who have experienced reptilians it would be similar. Although they exist they are banished from my reality...demons that is... and reptilians too as well as anyone who would do me harm.

[Arrowwind]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
When something is no longer blocking or barring the way to spirit, doesn't the barrier come down? yet you state barriers can't come down. That's two opposing core values and they are Judeo Christian in nature, false contructs imbedded in the human psyche and returned to always .

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Seems to me that the only barriers are the ones instilled in people though false beliefs. Train children right and there is no barrier only the need to develop experience. There is no intrinsic barrior between worlds... this type of barrier is constructed by people who have wanted to control people. The door is as open as it always has been. Its just a matter of choosing to walk through it. Many people have shamanistic experience and have no word for what they experience and have walked though the door regardless of what programming was directed their way. Shamanism is not limited to "credentialed" shamans, it is a part of human nature easily accessible to those who seek such experience and who have not been repressed by the thought police....

[9eagle9]

There is another confusion about serpents/reptiles in the past which I believe comes from a misunderstanding about how to read myths ...

There was, at one time in the Neolithic period, a Serpent Cult of which the wise teachers, such as the Sumerian Ea, were known as serpents. This fed through to Druidic times, with one of the higher levels of Druid teachers being known as Adders. The story of Arthur Pendragon came from this strata ... Pen means 'head' in Celtic, and 'dragon' is the serpent. So head serpent in this context means head wise teacher.


Bingo. What I noted before , reptilians were introduced to blur and cast confusion . In this case what Serpent really means. Some connections can be made in mythology but the bloodline was self preserving ering and expresses itself. Not a cult-ure though, a bloodline, it was a race of people, , who also been assigned such unfavorable and diminishing values like elf, faery, and vampire in the past and now the flavor of the year is reptile. They engaged in blood rites and sex rites--manifesations of creation matrices which have been horribly sensationalized. Which is why Avalon had suspicions cast on it , it was filled with all sort of Serpents and there was a risk a Serpent, or a hybrid of, may repopulate the thrones setting a precedence that bloodlines that had hereditary 'rite' to throne elsewhere may reclaim what was there if the Pendragon monarchy was allowed to prevail.

Gwynyfar didn't fail to bear chlldren for Arthur. She refused to have sex with him because his bloodline was Serpent. Sex and blood rites. A rather naive attempt to kill off a bloodline. Or was it? It was a power play. Pendragon demonstrated he didn't hold much with religious convention when he impregnated Arthurs mother who was allegedly from Avalon. The whole Pendragon story is obviously about keepign a certain bloodline on the throne. The bloodline was preserved in bastard children....because that bloodline is self preserving. But it was no longer on the throne. Some other oppressed people and de-throned blood lines may 'get' ideas if that were allowed to happen. It was allowed to be beleived that the bloodline died, but ...bloodlines have branches. Even the Pict DNA is still our there roaming about somewhere.

Conversely Gwynyfar could have born children and her people who were not of a bloodline could have scooped up the throne claiming her rites as Queen.

the serpent people among other bloodlines are beginning to re-emerge so I'm sure someone is aware of this and wants to cast mistrust on what on that expression. Namely the world's power brokers that use occult means to manipulate things. Serpent people will even the playing field a bit...actually a lot.

Plant mistrust now because that bloodline is emerging again...among others.

[9eagle9]

Posted by Ishtar (here)
9eagle9 ~ there may be a difference of semantics here.

The barriers or walls are not coming down, but the protocols which are needed for the shaman to guide his apprentice through the gates are now becoming available to us again. Or perhaps we could use the word 'portal'? In order to pass through the portals in these walls, you need the guidance of a shaman. It's as if you were going into a stranger's house. You wouldn't go in without being invited or with a friend who has been invited.

Historically, the walls between the dimensions become slightly thinner ~ although never on the point of dissolving completely ~ at certain times of the year. The ancients knew about these special times and so timed their festival or Holy-days for those times. We have just passed through one, on October 31st/November1st. The Celtics called that special time Samhain, and the Christians co-opted it as All Hallows Eve or Halloween. That's why people dress up as ghosts and witches and demons on Halloween....it's a Christian misunderstanding about pagan rites and the world of spirit, but nevertheless, that time is still marked.

It would be terrible if the walls all came tumbling down, but luckily there's no danger of it. You just need a shaman to guide you through the gate or the portal.

Thanks for your interest and my point about your posts being long was in no way a criticism but meant as an apology for being unable to answer everything.

Okay Semantics. But still a portal is an egress an opening, you've broken through to the otherside.. If a barrier can be broken and they are meant to be, because higher dimensional (less dense energies) are what breaks down dense energy. Constructs. Dense thoughforms.

So what prevents me from opening a portal and ushering the energy from other dimensions into this one. Nothing intrinsic as Arrow stated. Or for someone less well intentioned to usher in denser energies what lay people call dark energy into this one. Happens all the time. Chruches still have hell mouths in them. There are people who are portals --organic portals ---and non organic portals.

People accidentally express this without ever being consciously aware they are shamans or maybe they aren't shamans, per say, so if a shaman were always necessary no one would have these spontaneous experiences. A shaman could facilitate this experience so the person could safely navigate or be guided so the experience is productive and not traumatic but it happens spontaneously. i mean people have NDE and think they went to hell. Who opened the portal for them. Those people have one thing in common that expereince that sort of traumatic circumstance.

Less dense energies breakdown denser ones. A very basic principal of healign that is found on the spiritual and Portals are used for passage into but one can use it as a channel in a manner of speaking to bring less dense or perhaps denser energies here. So I find little protective value in the barrier idea. I agree if people's perceptions broke down enough to percieve multi dimensions at once chaos would insue as their world was stripped of all the illusion of perceptional reality. Nothing would appear as they had known it to be. I can agree that those barriers are not going to come down unless someone has the willingess to do what is necessary to take them down. So no I have great confidence that all dimensions being revealed to us is not going to occur with any sort of haste. Or at once.

On a smaller scale healers find this chaos as a healing crisis when one suddenly has their barriers and filters whisked away. Those barriers were created over millenia very likely unless some cosmic event of such force were to happen they will come down gradually. There is a great psychic trauma that needs to be abated. Psy-ops is not a new thing.

Samhain the eleven day period on the Druidic solar / lunar tree calendar. Alleged to be when the veil between worlds or dimensions is thinned. If there are many worlds there must be many veils. So what is occuring at this time of year during this 11 day period that allows that thinning? Does anyone KNOW because a lot of people are under the impression that Samhain lasts for a day. Because there is a reason of alchemical value that was important to the druids based on the environment. There is an alchemical and spiritual and conscious value here that intersect at this time of year .The druids observed it and found it favorable. It wasn't something that just happened there was reason for the timing of it. I mean I fully know how and why this was distorted and why Christian Rites of all saints day were inserted into this time frame but what is occuring at that time of year that allows this to happen? That's all ---something expresses itself. By observing one's environment one is able to see what it is. They have to know what they are seeing though. Why did they encourage lay people to costume? to tempt and to deflect.

Can this be accomplished in Australia when Samhain is the spring time. Don't know. Never tried it in Australia . But I'm sure the aborignal people there had a similar rite.

[shamanseeker]

Hi Ishtar,
I understand the logic in what you say about the Serpent Cult and that the head dragon just meant a wise teacher. This is a possibility I can consider, but we do not know for certain, or do we? (I am asking quite respectfully and not using sarcasm.) It is only a theory after all, or maybe it isn’t.
Isn’t it strange that a lot of people who have seen shapeshifters know nothing about the bloodlines that are running the world but it is they that they see shapeshifting?
How can we know for certain that the reptiles only exist in other dimensions? Is this a certainty?
How can we be sure, Arrowind, they are just an expression of our own demons? Again, I accept that this is a possibility but it is also a theory isn’t it?
9eagle9, how can we be sure that the “reptilians were introduced to blur and cast confusion”, especially as there have been shamans who have been seeing them for centuries”?
What I don’t understand is your absolute conviction that what you say is right. We can decide to differ and not exclude any one person’s point of view and say this is what we have experienced and this is what we believe. If what you have stated is not just a theory then I am open to hear about it.
Best wishes

[Ishtar]

Posted by shamanseeker
What I don’t understand is your absolute conviction that what you say is right. We can decide to differ and not exclude any one person’s point of view and say this is what we have experienced and this is what we believe. If what you have stated is not just a theory then I am open to hear about it.
Best wishes

Hi Shamanseeker,

I hope you don't mind if I mention here that we were talking in private messages, and you asked me some questions that others had been unwilling to answer for you? Do you remember my reply? It was that once you learn to talk with the spirits, you can ask these questions yourself and further that asking your spirits these questions, and the answers they give you, will be part of your path. I should have added that the spirits are all-knowing and the more you work with them, you realise that they are never wrong and that whatever guidance they're sending through you will be correct. That's where the conviction comes from, but it could never be so rock solid with something you just learned as a theory.

There are many questions that I shouldn't and don't attempt to answer here, because they're the sort of answers that have to be experienced rather than heard or read in words, and these are the kinds of answers you get from Spirit. And then once you have experienced the answers for yourself, you will own that knowledge as much as you own your own heart and your soul, and so then whatever anyone else says, you know the truth and you remain rock solid in it.

So I often and mainly remain silent to much of what I hear and read ... even though I may appear to have written a lot of posts in the short time I've been here, it's not as much as it looks, because I can and do think and write very fast and very deep because of my relationship with the spirits. Very often, they're writing through me. It's not channelling, but they're using what I know and helping me to organise the information in a certain way, to make it helpful to whoever I'm talking to. They tell me when to write, and when to be quiet... and mainly they're telling me to be quiet. So although I may appear to be saying a lot, there's a lot more I'm not saying.

[shamanseeker]

I'm very sorry if I offended you Ishtar. That was not my intention at all. I just hadn't connected what you told me with this and I am sorry. I asked quite respectfully and am sorry if I gave the wrong impression. Now you have answered, I understand.
I have never thought you are interested in selling yourself and have only been seeking answers here. I have enjoyed the articles on your site very much and learnt a lot from them. I tend to be very curious and am genuinely seeking answers. I do not want justifications, I just wanted to know if they were theories and in fact I added 'maybe it isn't' meaning I really accepted the possibility that it wasn't a theory after all.

[Ishtar]

Posted by shamanseeker (here)
I'm very sorry if I offended you Ishtar. That was not my intention at all. I just hadn't connected what you told me with this and I am sorry. I asked quite respectfully and am sorry if I gave the wrong impression. Now you have answered, I understand.
I have never thought you are interested in selling yourself and have only been seeking answers here. I have enjoyed the articles on your site very much and learnt a lot from them. I tend to be very curious and am genuinely seeking answers. I do not want justifications, I just wanted to know if they were theories and in fact I added 'maybe it isn't' meaning I really accepted the possibility that it wasn't a theory after all.

Oh dear! See, this is the trouble with words, especially words delivered with no other body language signals available, so that you couldn't see that I was smiling as I wrote it.



Even the phone would be better, because then at least you'd hear my tone of voice. This is also why I refuse to engage with phone texts... a recipe for communication breakdown if ever I saw one.

You haven't offended me in the least, I promise you. I obviously put that last paragraph more bluntly than I meant it. Now that I think about it... it wasn't so much a reaction to anything you said, but a wider statement of intent. So please don't worry.

Ishtar x

[Ishtar]

There.... I've taken it out, and I do apologise if I caused any misunderstanding, Shamanseeker.

[9eagle9]

No 'we' don't know for certain. I'm sticking it out there for others to make their mind up about in a way that take the mysticism out of it and makes it more accessible to others. People know a lot and I redirect them back to what THEY already KNOW. What is KNOWn has been experienced.

People who demonstrate the attributes of the Serpent people know for certain. Because they experience it. And they were experiencing it BEFORE they knew they were remnants of race known as the Serpent Children.

9eagle9, how can we be sure that the “reptilians were introduced to blur and cast confusion”, especially as there have been shamans who have been seeing them for centuries”?

Okay how are you sure that shamans have been seeing reptiles for centuries? But if I accept that as a basis for a counter point....and I will for the moment....the fact that anyone has been seeing them for centuries is probably a bit of a clue...not coincidental and the fact that a snake is in the Bible , deceiving adam and eve is probably a bit of clue there as well..Who would most want the Serpents to be discedited..Oh....the church. Catholic Church. And I'll be damned there was the Catholic Church and one of its agents driving the Serpents out of Ireland. Geez well I'm seeing an emerging pattern here....and a motive.

As noted earlier how one inteprets myths, literally, figuratively or by the emerging patterns that start to manifest.

Opposing core values: Why is the serpent alternately a representation of deception but at the same time a symbol worthy of veneration. In the medical field, in spiritual precepts. When Moses faced off with Pharoah what did his staff turn into? So should I not question the Bible...lol? .

The serpent in the Garden in Eden was assigned a value of deciever by ....who? Who was the great deciever? Satan and Satan is represented in Genesis by a .....snake? A reptile?..or ...a Serpent? Yes they've doing this for a very long time. It's just took a hip new swerve in the last twenty years or so....with the advent of reptilians as we have been exposed to them. Aliens, species , offspring of the annunaki.. or Serpents? If somoene didn't know what the difference was, how would they Know? When people don't know they are easily fooled. By illusions.

And .... Is that what these centuries old shamans said? That they were seeing 'Reptiles?" Did they describe them as reptiles? Or ...was the assumption made in the present that what the shaman described was ...a reptile. Modern interpetation? Snakes, dragons, crocodiles. Or did they state, they were reptiles. I'm prettty sure that sort of sophisticated modern zoological language is not found in ancient shamanic accounts. .Who assigned that value?

Who assigned that value when many of these tellings were made in oral tradions? Not written down. Probably the interpretor?.based on descriptions it very likely it was the modern audience. A good portion of those interpretors aren't shamanic. They are people who see something and interpret it through their filters. Lay people.

We are going by what 'shaman's were describing. We assigned the value of reptilian . Perhaps they are not reptiles like in the zoological sense but something that resembles a reptile that we know today? yes. Because, all of us, are bit more anthropologically and zoologically savvy now. A northern european ancient 'shaman' is more than likely not going to know what a crocodile was if they observed it in any form, enegetically or physically, unless they were well traveled in southerly climates. What they described as a crocodile or a dragon or a snake would have been reinterpreted in the modern world as a rather generic term.........reptile.

Shamanism never went underground there are many accounts of female shamanis in Japan practicing in mainstream society up until WW2. It went underground in WESTERN society. Our Cult-ture dictated it was not mainstream acceptable and there is reason for that going back to the word Sha-man which didn't really orginate in Russia but ......was associated as having Russian origins...Western Culture and Russian Culture was for a time ..if one remembers... engaged in a cold war , discrediting each other as ...the great satan...lol. Prior to the Cold War ...spiritulism of any sort was alive and well and in the mainstream of society here in the US. Google if you can an issue of Psychology Today predating1940 and tell us what was on the covers. All about spiritulism and not in debunking or fraudulent terms. Back up a little. Mark Twain describes his experiences with 'mind cures'. We've only buried these sorts of things in the last two generations in the west. Else where they have been and always been if not numerous but at least alive and well.


I am disagreeing based on the opposing values that were expressed.I have thanked people for thier input regardless if I disagree it or not. Medicine people debate all the time knowing the dangers of falling into complacency and forming belief systems about what they are observing. I questioned the contradictions that were given , the concepts not the person.

Why would anyone simply make agreement without challenging or questioning .Because that is what humans are conditoned to do. One then expects to accept anything based on PC or blind faith. And if you truly believed that you'd not have questioned my statements which you are more than welcome to do thank you,

And if you want to see evidence of a reptile go visit a zoo. if you want to an energeict manifestation of one sink your beliefs in with that lot. Eventually someone will come around that will conjure one up for you either wittingly or unwittingly.

if Ishtar is a shaman, Ishtar is well accustomed to debating, being challenged and having to confront subjects of a challenging nature. Its part of the territory.

No not strange that people are observing shapeshifting. Much of it intiates on a energetic level and lots of people can observe energy movement. Its bloodline related but mythos has relegated it to pseudo mysticism and myths like werewolves and fables that are distortions and recantings by primitive historians.


One expects that if we are spiritually evolving towards a higher intelligence that we are finally achieving it...yes? or was all this spiritual work performed to remain as ignorant as we were a thousand years ago? That perhaps our search for higher intelligience results in just that...lol. I'm sure lay people think of ghost stories and old myths first when exposed to shapeshifting manifestations and accounts of, and not connecting it with bloodlines. If one has not had the experience of the shape shifting then I guess its left up to speculation and guessing on the part of those who haven't.For those who have experienced it...things may be a bit more definitive.

Shapeshifting has symptoms like telekinetic activity and poltergeist activity. So even those who have experienced it don't know what they are experiencing because of all the BS floating out there about it conjectured by those who never had the experience of it.

[Ishtar]

My experience is that shamans don't in fact like to debate, and I debate more than most because I've been given the role of envoy by my spirits. But most shamans of my experience will not bother with this kind of debate at all, because they feel it's pointless to exchange views with people whose views are limited by their experience, and that the only way to correct that limitation is to expand it by having the experience of walking between worlds through shamanic practises.

I'm trying to think of an analogy. I do find, for example, it's a little bit like, if you can imagine, an explorer in the 12th century setting off on the seas by sailing boat and discovering Australia. Then he comes back and tries to explain to everyone back home about this wonderful land of opportunity he's just discovered and why don't they all go together with him to see it? But he meets with disbelief and ridicule... mainly because he has shaken their world view. And this is what I so often find... when what I say shakes the world view of the listener they can sometimes get angry, or start ridiculing me or even I remember once one had a complete meltdown.

So there are times when I find myself in agreement with the shamans who say it's a waste of time debating with those who haven't experienced the shamanic journey into the three dimensions, known to us as the Upper World, the Middle World and the Lower World/Underworld because how can anyone possibly have an opinion about what is found there and what is learned there unless they have been there? But on the other hand, I feel that I do have to try to explain because it is the loss of the connection with Spirit, which is regained through the shamanic journey, which is at the root of much of the suffering of the world today. This disconnection with spirit is ... well dispiriting, and is the cause of much depression, confusion and fear ... which is normal.

If you don't know why you're here, how you got here, what the purpose is of your being here, where you'll be going to after you leave here ~ all answers to which can be gained through shamanic practice ~ then of course you are fearful, depressed and confused and medicating oneself against these conditions with, say, valium or Prozac, will not make it go away. Your heritage has been taken from you and you won't rest until you get it back. Good for you!

If I can help anyone with reconnecting with their heritage, please do message me and I can put you in touch with a shaman teacher in your area.

[mahalall]

Hi Ishtar,
Dimensional Guardians (or doorman to put it simply)
What advice would a Shaman give to the lone intrepid adventurer?

[Ishtar]

Posted by mahalall (here)
Hi Ishtar,
Dimensional Guardians (or doorman to put it simply)
What advice would a Shaman give to the lone intrepid adventurer?

Three simple words: DON'T DO IT.

[mahalall]

Not even with pure volition?

[Ishtar]

Mahalall, I'm not here to tell anyone what to do.

But if asked for my advice I will give it, as I just have, and there's are no special cases or special pleading because these are natural laws.

In the Sixties, which I DO remember, we took psychotropics with no guidance from those who had gone before to achieve these states. But shooting up on the Jefferson Starship was like taking a battering ram to the Doors of Perception, and many people burned out through that experience, some of them quite famously like Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin etc.

Others I know have terrible health problems from raising their Kundalini too fast.

You wouldn't go into the Amazon jungle without a knowledgable guide who knew the safest pathways through. You wouldn't drive a car without having lessons and passing your test. You wouldn't build a Hadron Collider without years and years of training in physics. In fact, there's very little we do in this life which we were not taught about or trained in by teachers of one kind or another. So why take risks?

There are shaman teachers now that will guide people and I can help you find one, if you would like that.