What Is A Shaman and What Does A Shaman Do?

[mahalall]

Thankyou for the referral invitation, I'm sure it would be an invaluable experience.

Your right about the health problems about raising kundalini to fast.
On being thrown out by the doorman it could be worse they could keep you locked in.

p.s acceptance of the snake has helped my viewing.

[Ishtar]

Posted by mahalall (here)

p.s acceptance of the snake has helped my viewing.

The wise teacher serpent has come to you then? That's very good!

[Fred Steeves]

Posted by Ishtar (here)
But most shamans of my experience will not bother with this kind of debate at all, because they feel it's pointless to exchange views with people whose views are limited by their experience, and that the only way to correct that limitation is to expand it by having the experience of walking between worlds through shamanic practises.

Hi Ishtar, I'm forced into the unenviable perdicament of having to jump into the middle of a conversation between the spiritually advanced, but I have to ask this: What kind of people exactly are you referring to as being "limited by their experience"? Do shamans not suffer from limitations in their experience? Just wondering how this works.

Thanks and Cheers,
Fred

[Ishtar]

Hi Fred,

It's quite simple really.

You live in Dunedin, Florida. I've never been to Dunedin, Florida therefore I am limited in my experience of Dunedin, Florida and so you would know more about Dunedin, Florida than me.

The shaman, through trance, journeys into what have been referred to by shamans worldwide, going way back into history, as the Three Worlds of Upper World, Middle World and Lower World. These Three Worlds are in fact extradimensional locations which are only accessible through journeying a certain way and with specific protocols in place. So, naturally, people who haven't journeyed in this way to the Three Worlds are limited in their experience of what these places are like.

By the way, this isn't about someone being better than another, or holier than thou, which is the sort of dichotomy religions try to set up. It's just about where you've been and what you've seen.

I bet Dunedin is a pretty cool place, hey? But of course, I wouldn't know.

Hope this helps.

[Eagle]

Ishtar, It is very hard for people to understand the role a Shaman or in some cases a Physic/Medium take. I have worked with two of those disciplines now and I will tell you Shamans are closer to reality then the latter. with that being said you can explain to someone all day long about dimensions, portals, and such but in the end they still may walk away with a totaly differnet concept then what you tried to explain to them. Understand thier fear when you say that something is absolute. this is the fear they teach in Religion. Your Journey is one of the hardest because of the simple fact your trying to change thousands of years of conditioning and DNA manipulation. keep smiling my friend and keep helping those who stand in need.

[Ishtar]

Thank you so much, Dig. I have no illusions about how hard it is, having been digging and ploughing this row for quite a few years now. So it's always wonderful to get support and understanding, and for yours I'm very grateful.

[9eagle9]

What you can do now is start examining your core values and core belief systems that you have . You don't need a shaman to do that although most do this if they are adept at working with human psyche,. Even going to a Al Anon regardless if you didn't come from a place of substance abuse is helpful. Or someone who is good at rooting out core values that may be distracting you from your authentic self. Or find someone who is adept at core belief work and/or cellular memory to help you . Espeically if you have come from a place of trauma, abuse, emotional or mental chaos. Abuse is so covert that nearly everyone has been instilled with a belief that is limiting. A clean inner landscape helps raise one's natural defenses when doing dimensional work. You don't have to become defensive 'out there' if there is nothing to defend. Doing this on it's own teaches us how to shift perspective--shift our perception-- and gets us in touch with our authentic selves that are very adept at doing this sort of thing that you want to do.

Work with your higher self. You may not be able to hear it but it hears you very well. It is YOU. This is intializing a break down of the first barriers, the one's within us. This is learning authority with other aspects of yourself because if you don't have it here you won't have it out there . Demonstrate some willingness to work with spiritual beginning with your own. If you are not willing to work with your own spirit you're not demonstrating willingness to work elsewhere. If you can't ID what is not authentic in you, you will have a hard time out there. Tell it your plans, your goals, ask for its help and give it something to do. Your higher intelligience knows what to do, start giving it something to do on this dimension. it typicaly doesn't respond in terms of saying things back to you but DOING something. Some startling things an begin to happen. When you are ready to proceed ask for very vivid strong physical sign that in no way can be misconstrued as anything but what it is.

At night meditate on calling back peices of yourself, this a form of mental traveling where you back through the day and take back your personal that you may invested in conflicts, in trauma events, aggravations. Everything that was an energy expenditure. Make this a habit too. Its a very basic form of what some people view as a soul retrieval . You can go back further and further addressing damaging situations , draining situations that hold values of grief, anger, depression, anything that drains one of energy , and you can go back as far as you remember. Wash your energy as it comes back to you. Some people like to do this a salt bath or sweat lodge so they can focus on the mental travel and not worrying about energy wash.

Find out where you came from physically. Your nationalities. Study the traditonal medicine people of all the races you may be composed of.

And on that note get in the pratice of 'bathing'. Salt bathing , Sweat Lodges things of that nature. You can smoke at home with some tobacco, sage and sweet grass or simply drying cedar . the more we clean up our inner landscape the more is projected into our outer field to be cleaned up.

Mind excercizes and focus on softening attachment to the physical body . We become so attached and give it so much importance that its very hard to untether ourselves from it. People often work on conscious OBE . People OBE spontaneously while sleeping. They leave while they are asleep because the conscious mind has the attachment not the unconscious mind. If have ever had one of the states where you are very mentally and perhaps physically tired but too tired nearly to go to sleep , use that condition to practice OBE. When the mental body is tired its easier for it to deatch. OBE is not the same as dimensional travel as we tend not to leave the physical . Don't have a goal or an intention when you do this. Dont' judge your experience we tend to expect great things when we OBE but sometimes it just flying up and down the hallway. There's also a form of hypnosis called Ultra Height that allows one to leave their body and be conscious of the event the entire time. And one can do a whole bunch of self healing in that state.

What are you strongest attributes and your weaknessses. Mental attributes both weak and strong shape our dimensional experiences. we have to know what they are though so a lot of self reflection. One goes out there in the wholest state possible .

Shamans often work with plant spirit helpers and they will help you too. I prefer essential oils, concentrated plant essence (spirits). You don't have have altered states of consiousness when working with plant spirits. But they do effect consciouness and cellular memory so working with them helps to prepare one's inner landscape by lifting up false belief and trickster thoughtforms within one's self. Anything of an ever green nature is helpful, spruce, cedar or combinations of evergreen essences.

All of this will begin effecting some unusual results on it's own and demonstrates a willingess to go other places .Consider this your first journey sort of like you are preparing to move into a new house. It begins to intiate a huge life change and we don't someone standing over us to intiate these of things. it makes the whole transition easier and its something if you beging working with guided dimensional travel you will asked to do if the person you are working with is responsible.

Approach everything you taouch and do with a sense of honor and sacredness. You are a sacred person get in the habit now of viewing yourself that way and everything you touch as you going through these processes as honorable and sacred and a helper on your journey. This is YOUR journey and the first step is most important. If you don't treat sacred on this dimension then you won't be treated sacred on others. Establish yourself now. When are ready to have the assitance of a medicine person don't be afraid to question them.

They are people not higher life forms. Not everyone out there who says they are a shaman are a shaman. Its become a generalized label. Some are shamanic practitioners, they practice things that shamans do. Question deeply the more they know about themselves the more they are going to know about you.

If they have their own self authority on themselves they won't mind being questioned and will welcome it because it shows them you are willing to honor yourself. Get in the habit of questioning. You are a making an announcement to the universe your willingess to honor yourself. This all about self honor and self authenticity.. They should able to clearly and with precision answer questions, show you someting, give you something to do, and evaluate you , everyone has pecular strength or nimble ability and sometimes we are not aware of them or aware of them as such . Precision is a key word here , medicine people who work with human psyche are very precise. Intialize a discussion with them concerning your goals and cement your goals to yourself and them. We are only our own experince and sometimes our little quirks become mundane to us. A medicine person will help to bring that forward and reframe it in a way that is most beneficial to you in the future. Describe to them the work that you've already done because they will if they are responsbile begin intializing your own plan of self work. This is about YOU. Much of your intial work will be about you .

[Ishtar]

That's extremely good advice, 9eagle9 ... there is a lot that can be done to prepare oneself for shamanic work and you've covered a lot of it here.

You mentioned plant medicine, and so I thought you might be interested in hearing about my own results with that. I've been working with old alchemy recipes known to the medieval alchemist Paracelsus as spagryics.

I have published a blog post on this, but I've been asked not to put links to my blog on here, but rather to put the whole post. So as you've raised it, I thought others might like hear about this way of working with the spirits of the plant. Here's the post and I know you won't mind about the length.

My relationship with Saturn often reminds me of the story of the Prodigal Son. The Saturn Return demands a return to ‘home’ at certain periods of our lives, and yet those who are not taught how to work with and surrender to this necessary astrological cycle can face a nervous breakdown.

However, with the right guidance, we can optimise the Saturn Return by learning to enjoy working with one of our oldest spiritual influences going back to Babylonian times.

The Saturn Return is an astrological influence which occurs several times in a person’s life. Each cycle coincides with the approximate time it takes for Saturn to make one orbit around the Sun, which is 29.4 years. This means that we each experience a Saturn Return around the ages of 28-30, 56-60 and 84-90.

It seems to me that Saturn, during a Return, can appear to bring our lives to a complete standstill. Nothing we do seems to work. We feel stunted in our growth and progress, beset with obstacles and obstructed at every turn. This is one of main characteristics of Saturn.

Saturn appears in the Bible as the angel which obstructs Balaam’s ass (see The Origins of Satan). But if you read the story properly, you’ll see that Saturn was doing Balaam a favour by obstructing him. And this is the lesson we all have to learn. We may not like it, but Saturn is acting in our best interests.

Saturn only seems annoying to us when we’re headstrong and not listening to our inner selves. We have to stop, sit down and concentrate on what our life is trying to tell us.

Saturn could be compared to a particularly strict Latin teacher. Yes, the subject matter is difficult and no excuses are accepted for late homework submissions! But once we surrender to this regime, and give this teacher our full concentration, it’s not half so tricky as we thought it might be and there’s also a certain mental satisfaction in the logic being revealed to us and the completion of a job well done in which our Father Time ‘is well-pleased’.

So in recent weeks, I’ve begun to work with Saturn. I’ve been doing this through an alchemical process which brings out the spirit of the herb. The product from this alchemical process is known as a ‘spagyric’.

Spagyrics were first brought to the West by Paracelsus, the medieval alchemist, who re-discovered alchemy in Asia and Egypt after all traces of it were kicked over by the Christians.

Spagyrics are a combination of already-known medicinal products, but one in which the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. Most of us are familiar with tinctures of plants, such as Bach’s flower remedies, and salts derived from plants, such as homeopathic remedies. With spagyrics, the tincture (flower remedy) and the salt (homeopathic remedy) are used in combined form, and that’s where where the magic comes in.

Let me explain this by sharing a basic principle of alchemy. Alchemy is based on the principle that everything on Earth (all matter) can be broken down into three components ~ salt, sulphur and mercury. When you combine salt and tincture (salt and sulphur) you create a third thing, known to alchemists as mercury. And as any Tarot reader will tell you, Mercury is the Magician.

This diagram explains the concept.


OK, I won’t play up this magical aspect too much because it’s not witchcraft, although witches may make spagyrics. When I use the term ‘magic’, I’m referring to natural processes which work with Spirit, but the doorway to which modern science has bolted shut and thrown away the key. By insisting, as did Hippocrates, the 5th century so-called Father of Medicine, that we only deal with what we can experience through our five senses, the Sixth Sense is banished to the Wasteland and with it, some incredible useful therapeutic remedies which could benefit our mind-body-spirit today.

With spagyrics, the alchemist contacts and works with the soul of the plant in creating an elixir that carries the power of his or her intention not only to quicken their own spiritual evolution, but also that of the plant.



So how do you make spagyrics?

Well, it’s very easy. You just need some basic kitchen equipment, like kilner jars, a pestle and mortar, some coffee filters, and of course, the basic ingredients ~ the herb and a good quantity of pure grain alcohol. You will also need a planetary chart, and there’s one here.

On a Saturday a few weeks ago, which is the day ruled by Saturn, a friend and I made Horsetail spagyric. Horsetail is one of the oldest herbs on the planet and it is governed by Saturn. These days, it grows to about six feet high but back then, when it was eaten by dinosaurs, it would grow the size of trees.



Horsetail is already known to be very good for strengthening and for stability. With its high component of silica, it strengthens hair, teeth, nails, bones and in fact, all the connective tissues, such as tendons and ligaments, which run through the body. I was also pleased to learn that it also supports the spleen as I’ve always had a weak one.

So on the day of Saturn, and the hour of Saturn, we made a prayer to ask that the mysteries of Saturn would be revealed to us through the auspices of the Saturn-governed herb Horsetail, and that the evolution of Horsetail’s soul would be facilitated by this work, as well as our own, in line, of course and as always, with the Divine Will and the highest good of all. Incidentally, it is this way of communing with Spirit during the work that separates the true alchemist from the mere chemist.

We then began to grind small quantities of the herb with a pestle and mortar, the whole time using our power of intention to send a message to the spirit of the plant as to our aims.

After an hour of grinding and pummelling, we poured Horsetail into a clean jar and then covered the herb in pure grain alcohol. Once the herb was covered, we added the same amount of pure grain alcohol again. Then we sealed the jar and put it on the shelf to let it stand.

That evening, the spirit of Horsetail appeared in my vision, smiling. I was surprised to see that she had green skin and bright orange hair but neverthless, was extremely beautiful!

The jar with the herb and alcohol mix stood on a shelf for two weeks, and on each morning and evening, I would give it a good shaking.

Then at the end of the second week, on the day of Saturn (Saturday) and the hour of Saturn, we decanted the mixture and strained it through the coffee filters into a bowl, taking care to extract all the moisture from it. Putting the resulting tincture to one side (which, by now, was smelling like pure heaven!), we took the remains and spread them on a baking tray and put them into an oven set up at the highest possible heat.

I won’t lie to you. My gas bill is going to be horrendous because it took about five hours at least, possibly six, to ‘cook’. At each hour or so, we would open the oven door (carefully!) and inspect the mass on the baking tray. Over time, some of the outer mass appeared to blacken, leaving the inner substance white. And so it was an ongoing process of scraping away the blackened part (alchemists call this stage ‘calcination’ and ‘separation’) until we were left with a mainly white substance known as the salts.

We added the salts to the tincture ~ and hey presto! We had a Horsetail spagyric.

This is me with my friend, Horsetail...


So what’s it like?

Well, firstly, it tastes delicious. But the next thing I noticed was a feeling of contraction. Everything contracted ~ not just my inner organs but also my sense of reality. It was a tremendous relief, as if I had been roaming far and wide for far too long, just like the Prodigal Son. It was like coming home.



I’ve been having a teaspoon in a tall glass of water every day for a week now, and I’m really feeling the benefit of it. It is like a normal tonic, in that you feel physically strengthened. But unlike a normal tonic, I also feel incredibly strengthened on the mental and spiritual level too.

The spirit of Horsetail has visited several times since the first time, and I can feel her grounding influence on me. She is making me feel that I can fight any battle, if I have to, and that I am firmly rooted in the Earth, which is supporting me. I feel as strong as a dinosaur!

PS I'm currently working on another, Lady's Mantle, who is governed by Venus. That will be ready this Friday and so I'm looking forward to the exploration the Lady Mantle Venus will take me on!

[Fred Steeves]

Posted by Ishtar (here)
Hi Fred,

It's quite simple really.

You live in Dunedin, Florida. I've never been to Dunedin, Florida therefore I am limited in my experience of Dunedin, Florida and so you would know more about Dunedin, Florida than me.

The shaman, through trance, journeys into what have been referred to by shamans worldwide, going way back into history, as the Three Worlds of Upper World, Middle World and Lower World. These Three Worlds are in fact extradimensional locations which are only accessible through journeying a certain way and with specific protocols in place. So, naturally, people who haven't journeyed in this way to the Three Worlds are limited in their experience of what these places are like.

By the way, this isn't about someone being better than another, or holier than thou, which is the sort of dichotomy religions try to set up. It's just about where you've been and what you've seen.

I bet Dunedin is a pretty cool place, hey? But of course, I wouldn't know.

Hope this helps.

My apologies Ishtar if this is taking your thread off topic, that is not my intent. I'm just genuinely curious about your analogy to where I live in your response. In your quote I referenced about experience, I was lead to believe that you were answering 9eagle9, shamanseeker, or both, in which case it would be comparing experiences on the same playing field, that being the spiritual playing field. That would be comparing apples to apples.

In your analogy to me, you compare the multi-dimensional experience of a shaman, to a given individual's 5 senses experience of their physical location. That seems to be comparing an apple to an orange.

What I'm trying to get at is this: Is the extra-dimensional experience of a shaman considered valid, as opposed to the extra-dimensional experience of a non shaman?

Cheers,
Fred

[9eagle9]

There's a lot of medicine people, shamans, druidic or people of that naure in this forum who are currently engaged in debate. They may not be announcing themselves as such but on can tell by their expression. So perhaps you will be embarking on a new experience for your self.

I know that some medicine people don't like what is perceived as conflict but its their actual higher intelligience expressing then one should be afraid to if they have claimed higher self authority.

Further upthread I noticed Druids were assigned the value of shamans. Druids are academics and academics debate. Oral traditons were not written down so they had to become adept at relating things orally and one way was debate .They used debate as a function to head off wars . If they could not head off a war in this fashion , druids were often times compelled to be in the war so they had a LOT of compelling reasons to debate not just debate's sake. It was often times a matter of life and death.

Renogiating death contracts and illlness contracts which is solid shamanic work often times requires debate. Trickster spirits are clever so one has to be better at it than they are. You have more convincing than the spirit that is attempting to sway the person you are engaged in debate for.

When one connects to their spirit, they are connecting to their higher intelligience and that is what expresses. Intelligience. Lay people have higher intelligence. They have a connection to it that may not be overtly conscious. The conscious knowing of a medicine person helps them to identify their own. That's why their 'light' goes on and they say, I KNEW that in some vague unexpressed way!

Debate and academics and teaching all go hand in hand. Debate serves a function on this realm that serves one other realms. If druids are shamans and sharing similar qualities then the shaman should be involved in debate. If not then I'd have to ask that druids be left of the shaman equation. They aren't going to stop debating and they don't care if they no longer have the shaman association because its just a label. They will always keep their expression no matter what sort of labels are associated with them.

Not fighting, debating, Quest-ioning. The spiritual quest never ends and basically it intiatilizes itself in Quest-ioning. Questioning challenges us to great heights. Dare I say ascension ----the higher we go into our higher intelligience... Being challenged by others lay people or medicine person helps a shaman to be more precise. When working thorugh human psyche one is compelled by responsiblity to be very precise. then one becomes very precise in expression.

Its never a waste of time, no one is a waste of time and what we say is not a waste of time. If we do not honor our higher intellgience, what we say, we can't very well expect others to. If our higher intelllgience is expressing itself it will hold water against lower form expressions. This is neccesary to experiencing other realms. We begin to navigate the non physical by establishing our higher intellgience in this world the one we are all used to and share. If we can't do it here we can't do it over there . No one could .

I agree that it does no good to debate with people without the experience but we can give them tools and make this journey more accessible to them so they can begin to intiate a relative experience. They often have their own experiences and our expressions help them to relate this back to what may be a shamanic experience for them. But the same value holds true, among medicine people . One can't debate with one who hasn't had the relative experience of another. The journey doesn't cease with the status of shaman, it begins.

Posted by Ishtar (here)
My experience is that shamans don't in fact like to debate, and I debate more than most because I've been given the role of envoy by my spirits. But most shamans of my experience will not bother with this kind of debate at all, because they feel it's pointless to exchange views with people whose views are limited by their experience, and that the only way to correct that limitation is to expand it by having the experience of walking between worlds through shamanic practises.

I'm trying to think of an analogy. I do find, for example, it's a little bit like, if you can imagine, an explorer in the 12th century setting off on the seas by sailing boat and discovering Australia. Then he comes back and tries to explain to everyone back home about this wonderful land of opportunity he's just discovered and why don't they all go together with him to see it? But he meets with disbelief and ridicule... mainly because he has shaken their world view. And this is what I so often find... when what I say shakes the world view of the listener they can sometimes get angry, or start ridiculing me or even I remember once one had a complete meltdown.

So there are times when I find myself in agreement with the shamans who say it's a waste of time debating with those who haven't experienced the shamanic journey into the three dimensions, known to us as the Upper World, the Middle World and the Lower World/Underworld because how can anyone possibly have an opinion about what is found there and what is learned there unless they have been there? But on the other hand, I feel that I do have to try to explain because it is the loss of the connection with Spirit, which is regained through the shamanic journey, which is at the root of much of the suffering of the world today. This disconnection with spirit is ... well dispiriting, and is the cause of much depression, confusion and fear ... which is normal.

If you don't know why you're here, how you got here, what the purpose is of your being here, where you'll be going to after you leave here ~ all answers to which can be gained through shamanic practice ~ then of course you are fearful, depressed and confused and medicating oneself against these conditions with, say, valium or Prozac, will not make it go away. Your heritage has been taken from you and you won't rest until you get it back. Good for you!

If I can help anyone with reconnecting with their heritage, please do message me and I can put you in touch with a shaman teacher in your area.

[Ishtar]

I'm sorry Fred, if in my effort to simplify things I ended up being over-simplistic. I was trying to use a metaphor to make it easier.

Of course there are differences between physical locations on planet Earth and locations in extra-dimensionary places such as The Three Worlds.

They are different types of places.

The shamanic experience is a specific experience and visiting Florida is a specific experience. A person has either had a specific experience, or they haven't.

I hope this helps.

[9eagle9]

That is a great question, Fred. Not to sound patronzing but is a great question.

My apologies Ishtar if this is taking your thread off topic, that is not my intent. I'm just genuinely curious about your analogy to where I live in your response. In your quote I referenced about experience, I was lead to believe that you were answering 9eagle9, shamanseeker, or both, in which case it would be comparing experiences on the same playing field, that being the spiritual playing field. That would be comparing apples to apples.

In your analogy to me, you compare the multi-dimensional experience of a shaman, to a given individual's 5 senses experience of their physical location. That seems to be comparing an apple to an orange.

What I'm trying to get at is this: Is the extra-dimensional experience of a shaman considered valid, as opposed to the extra-dimensional experience of a non shaman?

Cheers,
Fred[/QUOTE]

[Fred Steeves]

I think I understand where you're coming from now Ishtar, thanks.

[Ishtar]

Posted by Fred S. (here)
I think I understand where you're coming from now Ishtar, thanks.

Oh thank goodness, Because after I pressed the reply button I started to worry if I'd over simplified it even further ...

I think that every experience is valid and I'm sure there are many on Project Avalon who have many experiences that I've never had that I will enjoy learning about. It's just that, in my opinion, it would be a mistake to call them shamanism when they are something else or something similar.

For me, the key core criteria for the shamanic experience is:

1. The journey through trance which takes you into the Three Worlds where...
2. You meet with entities which we've come to call spirits/gods/Anunnaki/Asuras etc
3. These entities, which you can see face to face, give you guidance, information and or healing which you...
4. Bring back to your community or your individual client.

The shaman is in service in that particular way. He or she is not a 'psychonaut' who likes tripping around the astral plains for their own sake ~ whether for enjoyment, elucidation or just sheer entertainment. The astral plains are much more easily accessible by everyone but they are much more superficial locations that those of The Three Worlds.

The Three Worlds includes the Land of the Dead where the shaman, in another of his roles, takes the deceased's soul at death.

The point of having a shaman to get you through the portals is so that the gatekeepers can recognise you when you visit again. The gatekeepers perform a very important role of ensuring that there is no 'bleed through' going in either direction through these portals, so that the liminal walls can be kept in place. So without the right 'open sesame' you won't be able to get through and this is right and how it should be.

When magicians work, they open portals on the astral plains where, for reasons I have no clue about, there are no gatekeepers. So anyone can get through portals there, and also entities can come through those portals into this dimension, but they are pretty low-level entities with no power of their own ... rather like Dobby in Harry Potter.



On the subject of Druids, I know and work with several of them and they are also shamans who journey into The Three Worlds. That's not to say, by any means, that all modern-day Druids are shamans, but I believe having that ability certainly enhances their work with the spirits of the Land.

[9eagle9]

Posted by Dig (here)
Ishtar, It is very hard for people to understand the role a Shaman or in some cases a Physic/Medium take. I have worked with two of those disciplines now and I will tell you Shamans are closer to reality then the latter. with that being said you can explain to someone all day long about dimensions, portals, and such but in the end they still may walk away with a totaly differnet concept then what you tried to explain to them. Understand thier fear when you say that something is absolute. this is the fear they teach in Religion. Your Journey is one of the hardest because of the simple fact your trying to change thousands of years of conditioning and DNA manipulation. keep smiling my friend and keep helping those who stand in need.

Role is the key word there. The human condition's biggest mind traps are the roles we assume. The Victim, The Witch, the Abuser, The Mother, The Shaman, The Psychic.

And we aren't aware we are assuming those roles. It is frustrating to work with someone to help them release their filters and the roles that are formed around for them to re-establish more. The roles begin to limit one. We are composed of so many facets that we are unware of I suppose one latches on to one that they percieve gives them more of an identity than plain old authentic identity. Our spiritual establishments have created that paradigm that ANYTHING is better than plain old humanity in all its varied facets. "I'm an alien, I'm a witch, I'm a reincarnated unicorn, I'm a reincarnated angel."

It disallows higher expression. And the roles are based on filters. People tie up their self identity in the role rather than the authentic expression. I notice that in so many people who work in spiritual media they quickly establish a role . A woman introduced herself to me last week by first stating she was 'the medium' and then later telling me her name. I see people not roles but she had to quickly establish that her 'role' was of more important in identity rather than her authentic identity and its expression. And then others REQUIRE an established role and then one feels compelled by other's expecatations to live up to that role, a false standard. One is really just going back to keeping up appearances rather than finding authenticity.

All facets of one's self should be explored with limitations. But the moment the role is assigned one becomes self limited or limited by others perceptions. I've been accosted in public places for having a beer and a hamburger by those who want to impose a role on me and that beer is not living up to my 'role'. Those are physical values , and are we here to have a physical experience? One would presume so since we are here. More attachment to the physical part of things.

The shamanic experience is in part the human experience expanded beyond the roles, rules , filters, and limitations and prohibitions . You're right those have been imbedded in our human psyche,and effected our DNA either by consious influence or outright tampering for so long that we unconsciously retreat back to them even when we assume a more non conventional spirituality consciously. LONG term filters.

The roles will prevent one from having a fuller human experience let alone delving into the shamanic experiences.

[Eagle]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)

Posted by Dig (here)
Ishtar, It is very hard for people to understand the role a Shaman or in some cases a Physic/Medium take. I have worked with two of those disciplines now and I will tell you Shamans are closer to reality then the latter. with that being said you can explain to someone all day long about dimensions, portals, and such but in the end they still may walk away with a totaly differnet concept then what you tried to explain to them. Understand thier fear when you say that something is absolute. this is the fear they teach in Religion. Your Journey is one of the hardest because of the simple fact your trying to change thousands of years of conditioning and DNA manipulation. keep smiling my friend and keep helping those who stand in need.

Role is the key word there. The human condition's biggest mind traps are the roles we assume. The Victim, The Witch, the Abuser, The Mother, The Shaman, The Psychic.

And we aren't aware we are assuming those roles. It is frustrating to work with someone to help them release their filters and the roles that are formed around for them to re-establish more. The roles begin to limit one. We are composed of so many facets that we are unware of I suppose one latches on to one that they percieve gives them more of an identity than plain old authentic identity. Our spiritual establishments have created that paradigm that ANYTHING is better than plain old humanity in all its varied facets. "I'm an alien, I'm a witch, I'm a reincarnated unicorn, I'm a reincarnated angel."

It disallows higher expression. And the roles are based on filters. People tie up their self identity in the role rather than the authentic expression. I notice that in so many people who work in spiritual media they quickly establish a role . A woman introduced herself to me last week by first stating she was 'the medium' and then later telling me her name. I see people not roles but she had to quickly establish that her 'role' was of more important in identity rather than her authentic identity and its expression. And then others REQUIRE an established role and then one feels compelled by other's expecatations to live up to that role, a false standard. One is really just going back to keeping up appearances rather than finding authenticity.

All facets of one's self should be explored with limitations. But the moment the role is assigned one becomes self limited or limited by others perceptions. I've been accosted in public places for having a beer and a hamburger by those who want to impose a role on me and that beer is not living up to my 'role'. Those are physical values , and are we here to have a physical experience? One would presume so since we are here. More attachment to the physical part of things.

The shamanic experience is in part the human experience expanded beyond the roles, rules , filters, and limitations and prohibitions . You're right those have been imbedded in our human psyche,and effected our DNA either by consious influence or outright tampering for so long that we unconsciously retreat back to them even when we assume a more non conventional spirituality consciously. LONG term filters.

The roles will prevent one from having a fuller human experience let alone delving into the shamanic experiences.

I stand corrected it should not be considered a "role" I am a Shaman or a medium is not as important as I am a friend.

[Lord Sidious]

You avalonuggets are doing real good work here.
Keep it up.

[9eagle9]

i didn't intend on correcting it was that word Role that you used that I keyed into.

I think BEING a friend is more important. And being a friend takes on a lot of facets, between lending a shoulder to lean on and kicking someone's ass.

Posted by Dig (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)

Posted by Dig (here)
Ishtar, It is very hard for people to understand the role a Shaman or in some cases a Physic/Medium take. I have worked with two of those disciplines now and I will tell you Shamans are closer to reality then the latter. with that being said you can explain to someone all day long about dimensions, portals, and such but in the end they still may walk away with a totaly differnet concept then what you tried to explain to them. Understand thier fear when you say that something is absolute. this is the fear they teach in Religion. Your Journey is one of the hardest because of the simple fact your trying to change thousands of years of conditioning and DNA manipulation. keep smiling my friend and keep helping those who stand in need.

Role is the key word there. The human condition's biggest mind traps are the roles we assume. The Victim, The Witch, the Abuser, The Mother, The Shaman, The Psychic.

And we aren't aware we are assuming those roles. It is frustrating to work with someone to help them release their filters and the roles that are formed around for them to re-establish more. The roles begin to limit one. We are composed of so many facets that we are unware of I suppose one latches on to one that they percieve gives them more of an identity than plain old authentic identity. Our spiritual establishments have created that paradigm that ANYTHING is better than plain old humanity in all its varied facets. "I'm an alien, I'm a witch, I'm a reincarnated unicorn, I'm a reincarnated angel."

It disallows higher expression. And the roles are based on filters. People tie up their self identity in the role rather than the authentic expression. I notice that in so many people who work in spiritual media they quickly establish a role . A woman introduced herself to me last week by first stating she was 'the medium' and then later telling me her name. I see people not roles but she had to quickly establish that her 'role' was of more important in identity rather than her authentic identity and its expression. And then others REQUIRE an established role and then one feels compelled by other's expecatations to live up to that role, a false standard. One is really just going back to keeping up appearances rather than finding authenticity.

All facets of one's self should be explored with limitations. But the moment the role is assigned one becomes self limited or limited by others perceptions. I've been accosted in public places for having a beer and a hamburger by those who want to impose a role on me and that beer is not living up to my 'role'. Those are physical values , and are we here to have a physical experience? One would presume so since we are here. More attachment to the physical part of things.

The shamanic experience is in part the human experience expanded beyond the roles, rules , filters, and limitations and prohibitions . You're right those have been imbedded in our human psyche,and effected our DNA either by consious influence or outright tampering for so long that we unconsciously retreat back to them even when we assume a more non conventional spirituality consciously. LONG term filters.

The roles will prevent one from having a fuller human experience let alone delving into the shamanic experiences.

I stand corrected it should not be considered a "role" I am a Shaman or a medium is not as important as I am a friend.

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Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
You avalonuggets are doing real good work here.
Keep it up.

[markoid]

Ishtar & 9eagle9
I know I have said it to both of you already, but I am sitting here with tears of gratitude rolling down my face for this that you are are imparting. You are like 2 alchemists turning language into solid gold!!! This is so expansive and soooo just right for me to be reading and I can barely find the words to express how blessed I feel to be receiving this knowledge/help/healing. Thank you both from the depths of my heart!!!!!!!

[Ishtar]

Aaaw! Thank you. Markoid. That's one of the things I'm beginning to really enjoy about Project Avalon, that people do give feedback and are not afraid to say when something was helpful to them. I have around 200-300 readers on my blog every day, and most of them can barely be bothered to hit the Like button. I'm not sure if this is a good or bad thing, but I wonder if some people are beginning to take it for granted that they can get deep, enlightening and enriching content for free and that they don't even have say thank you for it. It's as much about their not getting the full enrichment by failing to acknowledge what they received. I guess that's why we used to say Grace: "For what we are about to receive may we be truly thankful." I know from my own work that just saying "thank you" to the spirits, or sending them a wave of gratitude, opens up the floodgates to a cornucopia of Grace and spiritual realisation.

So thank you thank you thank you, markoid!