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    Hi Everyone,

    I have a question about Technocracy. I hear a lot of talk about it lately, as if it is being steered as a political model currently for Europe? Do any of you have any knowledge of Technocracy and its iterations? I'm open for discussion over this, as all I know is what I can read on Wikipedia. If you have any opinion on it, please feel free to educate us.

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    This also interests me because that is exactly what they are working on forming here in Italy right now!

    From Encyclopaedia Britannica:

    Quote technocracy, government by technicians who are guided solely by the imperatives of their technology. The concept developed in the United States early in the 20th century as an expression of the Progressive movement and became a subject of considerable public interest in the 1930s during the Great Depression. The origins of the technocracy movement may be traced to Frederick W. Taylor’s introduction of the concept of scientific management. Writers such as Henry L. Gannt, Thorstein Veblen, and Howard Scott suggested that businessmen were incapable of reforming their industries in the public interest and that control of industry should thus be given to engineers.

    The much-publicized Committee on Technocracy, headed by Walter Rautenstrauch and dominated by Scott, was organized in 1932 in New York City. Scott proclaimed the invalidation, by technologically produced abundance, of all prior economic concepts based on scarcity; he predicted the imminent collapse of the price system and its replacement by a bountiful technocracy. Scott’s academic qualifications, however, were discredited in the press, some of the group’s data were questioned, and there were disagreements among members regarding social policy. The committee broke up within a year and was succeeded by the Continental Committee on Technocracy, which faded by 1936, and Technocracy, Inc., headed by Scott. Technocratic organizations sprang up across the United States and western Canada, but the technocracy movement was weakened by its failure to develop politically viable programs for change, and support was lost to the New Deal and third-party movements. There were also fears of authoritarian social engineering. Scott’s organization declined after 1940 but still survived in the late 20th century.
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    The Hard Road to (Technocratic) World Order




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    Super cool thread! I think this is an important topic that tends to get buried under more well-versed political memes that rule the current age.

    For the past several thousand years, technology was a tool of the elites. It was able to be contained, its usefulness could be measured, and it (simply put!) did what it was told. In this post Bretton Woods global economy, carefully constructed algorithms shape public opinion and cash flow, altering the power structure toward the elites that utilize the new wheel with more ease.

    But since technology in its current state (Cray systems, quantum computing, etc...) is bypassing the maneuvering of elites and those that program it, an agreement will eventually be made between the caretakers of this technology and the technology itself. By definition, the leader powers of the world will be technocratic, or nationally, technocracies.

    The split will come when these elite technocracies merge their autonomous prowess with political ideologies. The two dogs trying to eat each other right now are Fascism and Socialism. Some elites play the broker and feed both dogs, but they'll be choosing sides soon, too. Democracy quickly devolves into one of these rudimentary forms by the essence of human nature itself. It's a two legged chair. It cannot stand on its own without the propping of one of these two ideologies, but once they begin to take hold, they devour their host.

    The question becomes, which is a better option? A technocratic-fascist state, or a technocratic-socialist state? A group lead by a truly benevolent dictator is a rare but beautiful gem, and equally so is a Dunbar's-number-inspired socialist commune. Both of these are far fetches, with both ultimately ending up with a steep consolidation of power between revolutions. As other things consolidate, these two options seem to be waging a silent, arcing battle over each other for ultimate superiority when systems begin to falter at the mere pressure of this consolidation under high technology.

    The third parties and second opinions are being stomped out, maybe more likely, bought out, until they slowly recede into a distant history. I look at it like apples at the grocery store. Where we once had access to several dozen breeds of apple, selective breeding and market consolidation have made it hard to find the dying breeds of apple our great grandparents enjoyed. And one day, we'll just have gala or red delicious. And one, maybe just apple.

    We are watching the ember become stomped out by heavier boots than we'll ever wear. It's not out completely yet, and that's the hope, that it won't be, but that is decided before the end of this century. The devolution into a technocratic-socialist state or a technocratic-fascist state will solidify in this time period, and a struggle will continue between the two ideologies until the ultimate winner is crowned. That winner will sail us through the Age of Aquarius, that is, unless a stubborn idea that refuses to turn to ashes gets just enough air to regrow back into a fire.

    Life, however, is not binary. It grows in multiples of threes, balancing itself through the power of large numbers. Consolidation is the work of falling stones, not twisting vines, and it is my belief that we are racing toward the time when the two giants fight, looming and fighting over the little flower (or fungus!) that holds the tuning fork to the human mind.

    Maybe it will have its say before the titans clash.

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    The irony of ironies is that unfettered science ism is threatening to throw us all back to a feudal pre enlightenment social structure.


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    My new made up word for what's unfolding in 2020..... 'Medocracy' (a medical technocracy)

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