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    Quote Posted by kingmonkey (here)
    Okay so i may possibly regret getting into this thread.

    1) Because i do not claim to be an authority on the bible and its content - heaven forbid someone using the bible to disprove my argument.

    2) Usually one cannot argue with a fundamentalist.

    Just a few observations;

    the scientific speculations about our origins and history is just crap

    A speculation at the very least offers a theory about some kind of fact based on evidence. Or in other words a hypothesis, a potential theory that is subject to change according to available evidence.

    is just crap - that is a conclusion based on what evidence?

    if the Bible says so then it is so...

    Okay sorry my mistake.

    and they know it the Controllers know it's all BS but they are the Controllers with a mission to control us

    and so they must keep piling up BS and decorate it with crap so we will buy it -

    If i wanted to control people id write a book and tell the people that all other books were crap, and that you needed this book. Last time i heard the bible was still on the worlds best seller list.

    the Bible is the only Book that is faithful and true because God is behind it

    I heard many popular authors use ghost writers these days. So who really wrote it? Or did the numerous editors over the years tailor it to serve the agenda of the day. Much evidence points to this fact.

    and if we buy the BS about God being pink plysh puppy love then we just let ourselves be fooled again

    Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. 1 John 4.8

    There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love. We love because he first loved us. 1 John 14-18

    Oh sorry im using the bible again to make a point which is an exercise in futility?

    Or was it "if the Bible says so then it is so " I must be getting confused.

    Just for the record im not attacking the bible or christianity or anything like that, its just some of your arguments are very weak and reliant on a fundamental literal interpretation of the bible, and you seem unable to even entertain the possibility of any other opinion or possibility that reality may exist.

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    You can not argue with RederZra. There was an extension of Bible and there was written that he knows the true truth, so it's in Bible and it's true. First time I read bible was when I was 13 and I found for a half of bible of mistakes and inconsistencies. Imagine when I grow up. So, no point and no offense to him.

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    I think this is what your looking for.



    been doin a bit of diggin

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    I think this is what your looking for.



    been doin a bit of diggin
    You can't imagine how much laugh I had

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    Quote Posted by kingmonkey (here)
    A speculation at the very least offers a theory about some kind of fact based on evidence. Or in other words a hypothesis, a potential theory that is subject to change according to available evidence.

    it really doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that the establishment has kicked God out of the equation

    and replaced Him with scientifically impossible theories like evolution just to undermine the Bible in the minds of the masses

    because of this discrepancy we cannot trust both the Bible and the establishment but must pick a side or none

    if we want to trust the establishment then we can't trust the Bible because these two disagree with each other

    so if we love truth then we have to figure out why the establishment is not in agreement with the Bible

    and investigate to find out which one is true



    Quote Posted by kingmonkey (here)
    Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. 1 John 4.8
    i don't know why you cherry pick a verse from the Bible to limit God as you want Him to be when there are many verses in the Bible that speak of the wrath of God

    perhaps you don't like that aspect ehe ? because when Jesus comes again then mercy time is over and wrath is the order

    so please stop the cherry pick as you don't trick me

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    Quote i don't know why you cherry pick a verse from the Bible to limit God as you want Him to be when there are many verses in the Bible that speak of the wrath of God
    While we are talking about "cherry picking" have you noticed all the other things down the local library that look very similar to the bible.

    Quote because when Jesus comes again then mercy time is over and wrath is the order
    Thats heart warming

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    Quote because when Jesus comes again then mercy time is over and wrath is the order
    Thats heart warming

    so seek Him before He comes because He will be furious and not emotional

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    I cant argue with you and the wheel of power. You win. Well done for not falling for my tricks.

    All my best.

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    Quote Posted by kingmonkey (here)
    I cant argue with you and the wheel of power. You win. Well done for not falling for my tricks.

    All my best.
    i am interested in truths and not winning discussions and i would hope you were in it for truths too


    but i believe many have been hypnotised to hate the Bible and be blind to it

    and i think evil spirits and spells have done extreme damage in this regard

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    There are things that are far away from us yet infront our very nose.
    I am leaning towards the truth that Bible is the word of God but so many other things are.
    You can not limit God so you can not limit the ways God chose to elaborate many things.

    Seems like mankind always uses fresh filters for God and does not want to get rid of them.

    Christ quoted the scripture but has also walked over water...

    So he basically challenged both worlds religious and scientific one- such is his power and such is OUR power which Christ revealed in us.
    Our choice is to use or abuse it.


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    Quote Posted by RedeZra (here)
    so seek Him before He comes because He will be furious and not emotional
    That fits the circular logic model quite well.

    Seek jesus. why? because if you dont he'll be furious. why is he furious? cause you didnt seek him. Why seek jesus? because if you dont he'll be furious..................


    It was a mistake to come back to this thread. All the best Redezra. May we all find what we are looking for.

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    so seek Him before He comes because He will be furious and not emotional
    Seek jesus. why? because if you dont he'll be furious. why is he furious? cause you didnt seek him. Why seek jesus? because if you dont he'll be furious..................
    what i'm saying is that the earth is about to be purified by fire

    perhaps you've heard about the planet that is coming close to home together with a lot of asteroids


    God can stop this as easy as He can switch off the sun or create a new man

    but i don't think God will stop it because there is no reason to step in and preserve unrighteousness

    and that is why the Bible speaks about a righteous remnant rescued by the Rapture

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    Quote Posted by araucaria (here)
    Not been following this debate and sorry to butt in like this but when RedeZra says:
    'high-tech metal alloys such as titanium magnesium and aluminum'

    I would just like to point out that titanium, magnesium and aluminum are three elements appearing in the periodic table. They may or may not have required high tech mining, but they are definitely not alloys.
    Are you trying to confuse us with simple science and alchemy? I don't know if those facts are in the bible. This thread has unique reference resources. Alice, where are you? We need to get out of here.

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    Quote Posted by araucaria (here)
    Not been following this debate and sorry to butt in like this but when RedeZra says:
    'high-tech metal alloys such as titanium magnesium and aluminum'

    I would just like to point out that titanium, magnesium and aluminum are three elements appearing in the periodic table. They may or may not have required high tech mining, but they are definitely not alloys.
    ah i've made a mistake

    i didn't construct the sentence right and so it says that titanium magnesium and aluminum are metal alloys

    which i know too they are not


    but you're right... i ****ed up and for that i am sorry

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    I actually use the bible in it's original languages to share what I believe reveals much truth of our past which disagrees with what fundamentalists teach. Red's response is to ignore those facts because they upset the traditions taught by men and not God.

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    I actually use the bible in it's original languages to share what I believe reveals much truth of our past which disagrees with what fundamentalists teach. Red's response is to ignore those facts because they upset the traditions taught by men and not God.
    you actually use the Bible to try to disprove the Bible which is an impossible task as long as i am here

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    I actually use the bible in it's original languages to share what I believe reveals much truth of our past which disagrees with what fundamentalists teach. Red's response is to ignore those facts because they upset the traditions taught by men and not God.
    you actually use the Bible to try to disprove the Bible which is an impossible task as long as i am here
    That is a lie Red. I am not disproving the bible at all, but removing the traditions of men and false teachings of some that cause those who have eyes to see to turn away from the church because they know something is not right. We were warned that in the end days the ministers would be preaching lies and traditions of men, they would lead the sheep astray, and woe unto them for it. The church feeds pablum while the sheep starve for truth.

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    I actually use the bible in it's original languages to share what I believe reveals much truth of our past which disagrees with what fundamentalists teach. Red's response is to ignore those facts because they upset the traditions taught by men and not God.
    you actually use the Bible to try to disprove the Bible which is an impossible task as long as i am here
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    I just came across this video, and this man articulates some of my feelings.

    Just thought id share.

    Now im leaving this room.
    http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?...&v=LkaH3hEmV3M
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    Quote Posted by RedeZra (here)
    everybody drowned just some 4000 years ago except 8 people and the animals in the Ark
    G'day RedeZra,

    I don't follow your logic.
    Once again you are relying on traditional stories (dogma) to prove your argument (belief) concerning the validity of an event depicted in a traditional story (dogma)

    Again, I am not saying that an isolated flooding event didn't happen, there is some evidence to support that areas in the Mediterranean and Middle East were flooded following an outburst flooding event, just the catastrophic level of the event you mention in 2000 BCE is not historically evident.

    I would like to know what are your sources?

    Also 8 individuals is an insufficient number to provide genetic diversity (minimum is 500 from memory) or are you saying modern humanity is the product of inbreeding?

    Just trying to understand your logic.
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    Quote Posted by RedeZra (here)

    you actually use the Bible to try to disprove the Bible which is an impossible task as long as i am here
    That is a lie Red. I am not disproving the bible at all, but removing the traditions of men and false teachings of some that cause those who have eyes to see to turn away from the church because they know something is not right.
    there is no room in the Bible to interpret the Flood as anything but worldwide and there is no place in the Bible to diss Paul

    that is why i say you use the Bible to disprove the Bible

    also there is no space in the Book to say that Eve was intimate with Satan or that the Kenites were under the Cain curse and that this tribe tare was the reason for the Crucifiction of Christ

    so i'm not lying here Serenity but saying that you have a highly subjective interpretation of the Bible which is not justified by the Book itself


    we can both agree that Christianity is in shambles but this Apostasy is no surprise as it was foretold in the Bible

    and as you know Christianity and all mankind for that matter have many powerful enemies

    we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities [archons], against powers [exousias], against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual [hosts] of wickedness in the heavenly [places]. - Ephesians 6:12

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