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    Hello Red, Is your avatar the buddy Jesus from the movie "Dogma"? Looks like him to me. That was a great movie.
    hi Modwiz i believe it is from the movie Revelation ; )

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    I see. Striking resemblance to Buddy Jesus from Dogma. My bad, it's Buddy Christ.


    It's Buddy Christ from Dogma.
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    I see. Striking resemblance to Buddy Jesus from Dogma. My bad, it's Buddy Christ.

    ah you're right ; )

    the form is from Dogma

    but the content is from Revelation

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    I see. Striking resemblance to Buddy Jesus from Dogma. My bad, it's Buddy Christ.

    ah you're right ; )

    the form is from Dogma

    but the content is from Revelation
    Enjoy. We all have a buddy in Christ.

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    Hello Red, Is your avatar the buddy Jesus from the movie "Dogma"? Looks like him to me. That was a great movie.
    G'day Modwiz,

    Jay and Silent Bob rocked that muther!
    I agree, it was a great film.
    Carlin played the part tooooo well me thinks...
    And Alanis as the divine feminine was exquisite.
    Question:
    How do you make God laugh?
    Tell her your plans for the future.

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    For those who love being informed about the bible:

    from Ha'aretz Magazine, Friday, October 29, 1999)
    Following 70 years of intensive excavations in the Land of Israel, archaeologists have found out: The patriarchs' acts are legendary stories, we did not sojourn in Egypt or make an exodus, we did not conquer the land. Neither is there any mention of the empire of David and Solomon. Those who take an interest have known these facts for years, but Israel is a stubborn people and doesn't want to hear about it

    This is what archaeologists have learned from their excavations in the Land of Israel: the Israelites were never in Egypt, did not wander in the desert, did not conquer the land in a military campaign and did not pass it on to the 12 tribes of Israel. Perhaps even harder to swallow is that the united monarchy of David and Solomon, which is described by the Bible as a regional power, was at most a small tribal kingdom. And it will come as an unpleasant shock to many that the God of Israel, YHWH, had a female consort and that the early Israelite religion adopted monotheism only in the waning period of the monarchy and not at Mount Sinai.

    Most of those who are engaged in scientific work in the interlocking spheres of the Bible, archaeology and the history of the Jewish people—and who once went into the field looking for proof to corroborate the Bible story—now agree that the historic events relating to the stages of the Jewish people's emergence are radically different from what that story tells.

    What follows is a short account of the brief history of archaeology, with the emphasis on the crises and the big bang, so to speak, of the past decade. The critical question of this archaeological revolution has not yet trickled down into public consciousness, but it cannot be ignored.

    Inventing the Bible Stories
    The archaeology of Palestine developed as a science at a relatively late date, in the late 19th and early 20th century, in tandem with the archaeology of the imperial cultures of Egypt, Mesopotamia, Greece and Rome. Those resource-intensive powers were the first target of the researchers, who were looking for impressive evidence from the past, usually in the service of the big museums in London, Paris and Berlin. That stage effectively passed over Palestine, with its fragmented geographical diversity. The conditions in ancient Palestine were inhospitable for the development of an extensive kingdom, and certainly no showcase projects such as the Egyptian shrines or the Mesopotamian palaces could have been established there. In fact, the archaeology of Palestine was not engendered at the initiative of museums but arose from religious motives.

    The main push behind archaeological research in Palestine was the country's relationship with the Holy Scriptures. The first excavators in Jericho and Shechem (Nablus) were biblical researchers who were looking for the remains of the cities cited in the Bible. Archaeology assumed momentum with the activity of William Foxwell Albright, who mastered the archaeology, history and languagess of the Land of Israel and the ancient Near East. Albright, an American whose father was a priest of Chilean descent, began excavating in Palestine in the 1920's. His stated approach was that archaeology was the principal scientific means to refute the critical claims against the historical veracity of the Bible stories, particularly those of the Wellhausen school in Germany.

    The school of biblical criticism that developed in Germany beginning in the second half of the 19th century, of which Julius Wellhausen was a leading figure, challenged the historicity of the Bible stories and claimed that biblical historiography was formulated, and in large measure actually 'invented', during the Babylonian exile. Bible scholars, the Germans in particular, claimed that the history of the Hebrews, as a consecutive series of events beginning with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and proceeding through the passage to Egypt, the enslavement and the exodus, and ending with the conquest of the land and the settlement of the tribes of Israel, was no more than a later reconstruction of events with a theological purpose.

    Albright believed that the Bible is a historical document, which, although it had gone through several editing stages, nevertheless basically reflected the ancient reality. He was convinced that if the ancient remains of Palestine were uncovered, they would furnish unequivocal proof of the historical truth of the events relating to the Jewish people in its land.

    The biblical archaeology that developed following Albright and his pupils brought about a series of extensive digs at the important biblical tells: Megiddo, Lachish, Gezer, Shechem (Nablus), Jericho, Jerusalem, Ai, Giveon, Beit She'an, Beit Shemesh, Hazor, Ta'anach and others. The way was straight and clear: every new finding contributed to the building of a harmonious picture of the past. The archaeologists, who enthusiastically adopted the biblical approach, set out on a quest to unearth the 'biblical period': the period of the patriarchs, the Canaanite cities that were destroyed by the Israelites as they conquered the land, the boundaries of the 12 tribes, the sites of the settlement period, characterized by 'settlement pottery', the 'gates of Solomon' at Hazor, Megiddo and Gezer, 'Solomon's stables' (or Ahab's), 'King Solomon's mines' at Timna—and there are some who are still hard at work and have found Mount Sinai (at Mount Karkoum in the Negev) or Joshua's altar at Mount Ebal.

    The Crisis
    Slowly, cracks began to appear in the picture. Paradoxically, a situation was created in which the glut of findings began to undermine the historical credibility of the biblical descriptions instead of reinforcing them. A crisis stage is reached when the theories within the framework of the general thesis are unable to solve an increasingly large number of anomalies.

    The explanations become ponderous and inelegant, and the pieces do not fit together smoothly. Here are a few examples of how the harmonious picture collapsed.

    • Patriarchal Age: The researchers found it difficult to reach agreement on which archaeological period matched the Patriarchal Age. When did Abraham, Isaac and Jacob live? When was the Cave of Machpelah (Tomb of the Patriarchs in Hebron) bought in order to serve as the burial place for the patriarchs and the matriarchs? According to the biblical chronology, Solomon built the Temple 480 years after the exodus from Egypt (1 Kings 6:1). To that we have to add 430 years of the stay in Egypt (Exodus 12:40) and the vast lifetimes of the patriarchs, producing a date in the 21st century BCE for Abraham's move to Canaan. However, no evidence has been unearthed that can sustain this chronology. Albright argued in the early 1960s in favor of assigning the wanderings of Abraham to the Middle Bronze Age (22nd -20th centuries BCE). However, Benjamin Mazar, the father of the Israeli branch of biblical archaeology, proposed identifying the historic background of the Patriarchal Age a thousand years later, in the 11th century BCE—which would place it in the 'settlement period'. Others rejected the historicity of the stories and viewed them as ancestral legends that were told in the period of the Kingdom of Judea. In any event, the consensus began to break down.

    • The Exodus from Egypt, the wanderings in the desert and Mount Sinai: The many Egyptian documents that we have make no mention of the Israelites' presence in Egypt and are also silent about the events of the Exodus. Many documents do mention the custom of nomadic shepherds to enter Egypt during periods of drought and hunger and to camp at the edges of the Nile Delta. However, this was not a solitary phenomenon: such events occurred frequently over thousands of years and were hardly exceptional. Generations of researchers tried to locate Mount Sinai and the encampments of the tribes in the desert. Despite these intensive efforts, not even one site has been found that can match the biblical account.

    The power of tradition has now led some researchers to 'discover' Mount Sinai in the northern Hijaz or, as already mentioned, at Mount Karkoum in the Negev. The central events in the history of the Israelites are not corroborated in documents external to the Bible or in archaeological findings. Most historians today agree that at best, the stay in Egypt and the exodus events occurred among a few families and that their private story was expanded and 'nationalized' to fit the needs of theological ideology.

    • The conquest: One of the formative events of the people of Israel in biblical historiography is the story of how the land was conquered from the Canaanites. Yet extremely serious difficulties have cropped up precisely in the attempts to locate the archaeological evidence for this story. Repeated excavations by various expeditions at Jericho and Ai, the two cities whose conquest is described in the greatest detail in the Book of Joshua, have proved very disappointing. Despite the excavators' efforts, it emerged that in the late part of the 13th century BCE, at the end of the Late Bronze Age, which is the agreed period for the conquest, there were no cities in either tell, and of course no walls that could have been toppled. Naturally, explanations were offered for these anomalies. Some claimed that the walls around Jericho were washed away by rain, while others suggested that earlier walls had been used; and, as for Ai, it was claimed that the original story actually referred to the conquest of nearby Beit El and was transferred to Ai by later redactors.

    Biblical scholars suggested a quarter of a century ago that the conquest stories be viewed as etiological legends and no more. But as more and more sites were uncovered and it emerged that the places in question died out or were simply abandoned at different times, the conclusion that there is no factual basis for the biblical story about the conquest by Israelite tribes in a military campaign led by Joshua was bolstered.

    • The Canaanite cities: The Bible magnifies the strength and the fortifications of the Canaanite cities that were conquered by the Israelites: 'great cities with walls sky-high' (Deuteronomy 9:1). In practice, all the sites that have been uncovered turned up remains of unfortified settlements, which in most cases consisted of a few structures or the ruler's palace rather than a genuine city. The urban culture of Palestine in the Late Bronze Age disintegrated in a process that lasted hundreds of years and did not stem from military conquest.

    Moreover, the biblical description is unfamiliar with the geopolitical reality in Palestine. Palestine was under Egyptian rule until the middle of the 12th century BCE. The Egyptians' administrative centers were located in Gaza, Yaffo and Beit She'an. Egyptian presence has also been discovered in many locations on both sides of the Jordan River. This striking presence is not mentioned in the biblical account, and it is clear that it was unknown to the author and his editors. The archaeological findings blatantly contradict the biblical picture: the Canaanite cities were not 'great,' were not fortified and did not have 'sky-high walls.' The heroism of the conquerors, the few versus the many and the assistance of the God who fought for his people are a theological reconstruction lacking any factual basis.

    • Origin of the Israelites: The conclusions drawn from episodes in the emergence of the people of Israel in stages, taken together, gave rise to a discussion of the bedrock question: the identity of the Israelites. If there is no evidence for the exodus from Egypt and the desert journey, and if the story of the military conquest of fortified cities has been refuted by archaeology, who, then, were these Israelites? The archaeological findings did corroborate one important fact: in the early Iron Age (beginning some time after 1200 BCE), the stage that is identified with the 'settlement period', hundreds of small settlements were established in the area of the central hill region of the Land of Israel, inhabited by farmers who worked the land or raised sheep. If they did not come from Egypt, what is the origin of these settlers? Israel Finkelstein, professor of archaeology at Tel Aviv University, has proposed that these settlers were the pastoral shepherds who wandered in this hill area throughout the Late Bronze Age (graves of these people have been found, without settlements). According to his reconstruction, in the Late Bronze Age (which preceded the Iron Age) the shepherds maintained a barter economy of meat in exchange for grains with the inhabitants of the valleys. With the disintegration of the urban and agricultural system in the lowlands, the nomads were forced to produce their own grains, and hence the incentive for stable settlements.

    The name 'Israel' is mentioned in a single Egyptian document from the period of Merneptah, king of Egypt, dating from 1208 BCE: 'Plundered is Canaan with every evil, Ascalon is taken, Gezer is seized, Yenoam has become as though it never was, Israel is desolated, its seed is not.' Merneptah refers to the country by its Canaanite name and mentions several cities of the kingdom, along with a non-urban ethnic group. According to this evidence, the term 'Israel' was given to one of the population groups that resided in Canaan toward the end of the Late Bronze Age, apparently in the central hill region, in the area where the Kingdom of Israel would later be established.

    A Kingdom With No Name
    • The united monarchy: Archaeology was also the source that brought about a shift regarding the reconstruction of the reality in the period known as the 'united monarchy' of David and Solomon. The Bible describes this period as the zenith of the political, military and economic power of the people of Israel in ancient times. In the wake of David's conquests, the empire of David and Solomon stretched from the Euphrates River to Gaza ('For he controlled the whole region west of the Euphrates, from Tiphsah to Gaza, all the kings west of the Euphrates,' 1 Kings 5:4). The archaeological findings at many sites show that the construction projects attributed to this period were meager in scope and power.

    The three cities of Hazor, Megiddo and Gezer, which are mentioned among Solomon's construction enterprises, have been excavated extensively at the appropriate layers. Only about half of Hazor's upper city was fortified, covering an area of only 30 dunams (7.5 acres), out of a total area of 700 dunams which was settled in the Bronze Age. At Gezer there was apparently only a citadel surrounded by a casemate wall covering a small area, while Megiddo was not fortified with a wall. The picture becomes even more complicated in the light of the excavations conducted in Jerusalem, the capital of the united monarchy. Large sections of the city have been excavated over the past 150 years. The digs have turned up impressive remnants of the cities from the Middle Bronze Age and from Iron Age II ( the period of the Kingdom of Judea). No remains of buildings have been found from the period of the united monarchy (even according to the agreed chronology), only a few pottery shards. Given the preservation of the remains from earlier and later periods, it is clear that Jerusalem in the time of David and Solomon was a small city, perhaps with a small citadel for the king, but in any event it was not the capital of an empire as described in the Bible. This small chiefdom is the source of the title 'Beth David' mentioned in later Aramean and Moabite inscriptions. The authors of the biblical account knew Jerusalem in the 8th century BCE, with its wall and the rich culture of which remains have been found in various parts of the city, and projected this picture back to the age of the united monarchy. Presumably, Jerusalem acquired its central status after the destruction of Samaria, its northern rival, in 722 BCE.

    The archaeological findings dovetail well with the conclusions of the critical school of biblical scholarship. David and Solomon were the rulers of tribal kingdoms that controlled small areas: the former in Hebron and the latter in Jerusalem. Concurrently, a separate kingdom began to form in the Samaria hills, which finds expression in the stories about Saul's kingdom. Israel and Judea were from the outset two separate, independent kingdoms, and at times were in an adversarial relationship. Thus, the great united monarchy is an imaginary historiosophic creation, which was composed during the period of the Kingdom of Judea at the earliest. Perhaps the most decisive proof of this is that we do not know the name of this kingdom.

    YHWH and his Consort
    How many gods, exactly, did Israel have? Together with the historical and political aspects, there are also doubts as to the credibility of the information about belief and worship. The question about the date at which monotheism was adopted by the kingdoms of Israel and Judea arose with the discovery of inscriptions in ancient Hebrew that mention a pair of gods: YHWH and his Asherath. At two sites, Kuntilet Ajrud in the southwestern part of the Negev hill region, and Khirbet el-Kom in the Judea piedmont, Hebrew inscriptions have been found that mention 'YHWH and his Asherah', 'YHWH Shomron and his Asherah', 'YHWH Teman and his Asherah'. The authors were familiar with a pair of gods, YHWH and his consort Asherah, and send blessings in the couple's name. These inscriptions, from the 8th century BCE, raise the possibility that monotheism, as a state religion, is actually an innovation of the period of the Kingdom of Judea, following the destruction of the Kingdom of Israel.

    The archaeology of the Land of Israel is completing a process that amounts to a scientific revolution in its field. It is ready to confront the findings of biblical scholarship and of ancient history as an equal discipline. But at the same time, we are witnessing a fascinating phenomenon in that all this is simply ignored by the Israeli public. Many of the findings mentioned here have been known for decades. The professional literature in the spheres of archaeology, Bible and the history of the Jewish people has addressed them in dozens of books and hundreds of articles. Even if not all the scholars accept the individual arguments that inform the examples I have cited, the majority have adopted their main points. Nevertheless, these revolutionary views are not penetrating the public consciousness. About a year ago, my colleague, the historian Prof. Nadav Ne'eman, published an article in the Culture and Literature section of Ha'aretz entitled 'To Remove the Bible from the Jewish Bookshelf', but there was no public outcry. Any attempt to question the reliability of the biblical descriptions is perceived as an attempt to undermine 'our historic right to the land' and as a shattering of the myth of the nation that is renewing the ancient Kingdom of Israel. These symbolic elements constitute such a critical component of the construction of the Israeli identity that any attempt to call their veracity into question encounters hostility or silence. It is of some interest that such tendencies within the Israeli secular society go hand-in-hand with the outlook among educated Christian groups. I have found a similar hostility in reaction to lectures I have delivered abroad to groups of Christian Bible lovers, though what upset them was the challenge to the foundations of their fundamentalist religious belief. It turns out that part of Israeli society is ready to recognize the injustice that was done to the Arab inhabitants of the country and is willing to accept the principle of equal rights for women - but is not up to adopting the archaeological facts that shatter the biblical myth. The blow to the mythical foundations of the Israeli identity is apparently too threatening, and it is more convenient to turn a blind eye. •

    Prof. Ze'ev Herzog teaches in the Department of Archaeology and Ancient Near Eastern Studies at Tel Aviv University. He took part in the excavations of Hazor and Megiddo with Yigael Yadin and in the digs at Tel Arad and Tel Be'er Sheva with Yohanan Aharoni. He has conducted digs at Tel Michal and Tel Gerisa and has recently begun digging at Tel Yaffo. He is the author of books on the city gate in Palestine and its neighbors and on two excavations, and has written a book summing up the archaeology of the ancient city.

    An eye opening, for those who are open to shifts in perception, article is here:http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/12...w-no-pharaohs/
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    For those who love being informed about the bible:

    from Ha'aretz Magazine, Friday, October 29, 1999)
    Following 70 years of intensive excavations in the Land of Israel, archaeologists have found out: The patriarchs' acts are legendary stories, we did not sojourn in Egypt or make an exodus, we did not conquer the land. Neither is there any mention of the empire of David and Solomon. Those who take an interest have known these facts for years, but Israel is a stubborn people and doesn't want to hear about it
    but Wiz why copy-paste establishment info ?


    the establishment gave us the official 911 version which many people even today believe

    because they trust the establishment or they are just too lazy to look into it themselves


    and so they read what the establishment feeds them and they think they are informed


    i am gifted with discernment... i don't speak in tounge nor do i heal

    but i can tell you what is right or wrong true or not ; )

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    to whom it may concern


    i know some of you think you are God but you are not God

    how can you be God when you don't even remember where you left the wallet and still you think you just forgot how you made the earth and sky

    you are not God but a man as you are not the Creator but a creation


    you have the potential to be really great but while you nurture that potential

    who do you think is helping you along the way all the time ?


    your higher self ? it's always about you

    that must be why you show so little appreciation for the things and talents God has blessed you with


    what would it cost you to show some gratitude once in a blue moon ? you don't have to do it on your knees ! God wants your backbone upright

    leave a little room for God to bless you more abundantly and be not too busy playing God yourselves


    you have forgotten your first love but God has not forgotten you... yet

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    All religions, saints and sages stress-- surrender to the will of God, love thy neighbor, practice humility and forgiveness.
    Thats it really.
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    All religions, saints and sages stress-- surrender to the will of God, love thy neighbor, practice humility and forgiveness.
    yea but some think they are God and some don't even believe in God

    how do we know the will of God by the way ?

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    Balance is the key. We are of God and God`s heirs - all of us.
    God is reminding us of who we are .

    Being honest is to acknowledge that and to stream forward towards God embodiment. To be fully God and fully human. Christ like.

    You can always see one who doesn`t know and doesn`t know that he doesn`t know by claim high and mighty I AM GOD and in the very moment falls from the cliff or got hit by a bus or whatever mischief.

    God doesn`t need to claim anything and why would he/she ? God is everything and is .

    God is not male or female and IS male and female.
    God is not the nature and IS the nature.
    God is.

    We can`t see God and stay alive it`s written in Bible but that only accounts of physical body to be able to withstand unimaginable energy.
    In truth we see God daily just we don`t recognize it.

    In our soul and spirit form we can see God and feel the full potential and we are called to return to that consciously without forgetfulness.

    Bible is a wealth unexplored despite many who think they found everything in it.
    Written on many levels and beautifully opens up to reader according to its conscience, higher the conscience better the understanding.

    Key is not to bash and trash the thing you don`t understand , key is to raise your conscience and the answers will emerge itself easily...
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    Being honest is to acknowledge that and to stream forward towards God embodiment. To be fully God and fully human. Christ like.
    i guess to be fully God is to be consumed by God ? personality lost in God

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    Being honest is to acknowledge that and to stream forward towards God embodiment. To be fully God and fully human. Christ like.
    i guess to be fully God is to be consumed by God ? personality lost in God
    "Father and I are one" , yet he was a man when stated that. And we are called by Christ so we will have both worlds at will.
    Love, love - and see what happens

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    Being honest is to acknowledge that and to stream forward towards God embodiment. To be fully God and fully human. Christ like.
    i guess to be fully God is to be consumed by God ? personality lost in God
    "Father and I are one" , yet he was a man when stated that. And we are called by Christ so we will have both worlds at will.

    it's impossible to understand the Three in One

    but the Bible says Jesus Christ is the second Person in the Trinity

    and so He is not a mere Man but the Creator

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    Being honest is to acknowledge that and to stream forward towards God embodiment. To be fully God and fully human. Christ like.
    i guess to be fully God is to be consumed by God ? personality lost in God
    "Father and I are one" , yet he was a man when stated that. And we are called by Christ so we will have both worlds at will.

    it's impossible to understand the Three in One

    but the Bible says Jesus Christ is the second Person in the Trinity

    and so He is not a mere Man but the Creator
    Yes, Creator who called us brothers - which logically means Co Creators.
    "Let us make men in our image"- Equals as God and Christ are with power of holy spirit.
    All in its own time.
    Love, love - and see what happens

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    it's impossible to understand the Three in One

    but the Bible says Jesus Christ is the second Person in the Trinity

    and so He is not a mere Man but the Creator
    Yes, Creator who called us brothers - which logically means Co Creators.
    Jesus was the Master to the Apostles but a good gentle and humble Master


    imagine that the Creator of Heaven Earth and Man is good gentle and humble

    the Hands of the Almighty washes the feet of the Apostles


    what an awesome God King and Lord we have ; )

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    i think it's time to try to clarify Jesus Christ



    In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

    He was in the beginning with God.

    All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.

    In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.
    - John 1:1-4


    And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. - John 1:14


    For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. - 1 John 5:7



    the reason the Word or Logos is called the Son of God and the Son of Man is just because the Word came to our world through Mary in a noble conception of the Holy Spirit


    And the angel answered and said to her, "[The] Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God. - Luke 1:35


    it takes Three to create everything and so in biblical language those Three are the Father the Word and the Holy Spirit

    the Three in One or the Trinity

    where Jesus Christ is the Word Who spoke everything into existence
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    G'day RedeZra,

    Good to see that you're following the "establishment" line here.
    Constantine and the Council of Nicea (325AD) would be so happy with you.

    Just because you think you are being discerning doesn't mean you are correct.
    Just means you're only looking at what you think is correct, that's all.

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    The only consequence is what we do."

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    Quote Posted by panopticon (here)

    Good to see that you're following the "establishment" line here.
    Constantine and the Council of Nicea (325AD) would be so happy with you.

    Just because you think you are being discerning doesn't mean you are correct.
    Just means you're only looking at what you think is correct, that's all.
    time will tell if i am right or not

    i can count the grains in the hourglass

    so time is almost up

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    Quote Posted by RedeZra (here)
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    All religions, saints and sages stress-- surrender to the will of God, love thy neighbor, practice humility and forgiveness.
    yea but some think they are God and some don't even believe in God

    how do we know the will of God by the way ?
    Through prayer Redezra.
    Though I never assume to know.

    My prayer is " Beloved God how may I serve you"
    Opportunity my or may not arise but I dont claim that for sure I know Gods will for me or any other beyond the first two commandments.

    "Love all serve all"

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