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    i will give some tidbits

    from an enlightened being

    Sri Ramana Maharshi

    just to show that this sage agrees with me



    Quote The sage who knows the truth that the Self is indestructible will remain unaffected even if five million people are killed in his presence. Remember the advice of Krishna to Arjuna on the battlefield when disheartened by the thought of the impending slaughter of relatives on the opposing side - Paul Brunton: The Notebooks of Paul Brunton (Burdett, NY: Larson, 1984), vol. 10,”The Orient”, s.2:441.


    Quote Question: Why is samsara- creation and manifestation as finitised- so full of sorrow and evil?

    Sri Ramana Maharshi: God’s will!

    Question: Why does God will it so?

    Sri Ramana Maharshi: It is inscrutable. No motive can be attributed to that power –no desire, no end to achieve can be asserted of that one infinite, all-wise and all-powerful being. God is untouched by activities, which take place in his presence. Compare the sun and the world activities. There is no meaning in attributing responsibility and motive to the one before it becomes many.


    Quote Question: Is God subject to Pralaya (cosmic dissolution)?

    Sri Ramana Maharshi: Why? Man becoming aware of the Self transcends cosmic dissolution and becomes liberated. Why not Iswara who is infinitely wiser and abler?


    Quote Question: Is there a separate being Iswara (personal God) who is the rewarder of virtue and punisher of sins? Is there a God?

    Sri Ramana Maharshi: Yes.

    Question: What is he like?

    Sri Ramana Maharshi: Iswara has individuality in mind and body, which are perishable, but at the same time he has also the transcendental consciousness and liberation inwardly.

    Iswara, the personal God, the supreme creator of the universe really does exist. But this is true only from the relative standpoint of those who have not realised the truth, those people who believe in the reality of individual souls. From the absolute standpoint the sage cannot accept any other existence than the impersonal Self, one and formless.


    Quote There are other statements, such as Brahmaivaham (Brahman am I), Aham Brahmasmi (I am Brahman) and Soham (I am he). But none is so direct as the name Jehovah which means ‘I am’. The absolute being is what is. It is the Self. It is God. Knowing the Self, God is known. In fact God is none other than the Self.
    http://bhagavan-ramana.org/ramana_ma.../tw/tw106.html
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    G'day RedeZra,

    Thank you for presenting some of Sri Ramana Maharshi's work.
    I have always deeply respected his teachings.

    The following section you quoted reveals some of his deep understanding:
    Quote Posted by RedeZra (here)
    Iswara, the personal God, the supreme creator of the universe really does exist. But this is true only from the relative standpoint of those who have not realised the truth, those people who believe in the reality of individual souls. From the absolute standpoint the sage cannot accept any other existence than the impersonal Self, one and formless.
    Sri Ramana Maharshi also said:
    Quote First a person thinks that he is inferior and that there is a superior, all-knowing, all powerful God who controls his own and the world's destiny and worships him or does bhakti. When he reaches a certain stage and becomes fit for enlightenment, the same God whom he was worshipping comes as Guru and leads him onward. That Guru comes only to tell him, `That God is within yourself. Dive within and realize'. God, Guru and the Self are the same.
    Quote It is enough that one surrenders oneself. Surrender is to give oneself up to the original cause of one's being. Do not delude yourself by imagining such source to be some God outside you. One's source is within yourself. Give yourself up to it. That means that you should seek the source and merge in it.
    I often say, both in this forum and in my everyday interactions, that each person has their own path to walk that is theirs alone. This can sometimes be shared for a while with others but it is always the individuals own path and should be respected as such. As Sri Ramana Maharshi said:
    Quote Each seeker after God should be allowed to go his own way, the way for which he alone may be built (meant).
    In my opinion only through true knowledge of "self", and a deep understanding of the connection between and with all things, can true self awareness, and from this self understanding (self-realisation), be achieved. From my own perspective this is the returning of "self" to what can loosely be referred to as a "natural state of being" which is before language and associated knowledge of the "I".

    Again, thank you for presenting this enlightened teacher.
    Kind Regards,
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    The only consequence is what we do."

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    The big challenge is context.
    Ramana very much met people where they stood as do the other teachers I have read.
    Sai Baba said more or less " Your last thoughts will determine where you end up-- to begin with"
    So the inference was that the mind will initially take you where the predominant thoughts lead but then?
    Jesus said in "My fathers house are many mansions" so different heavens for different spiritual vibration?
    Different levels of hell also.

    Any way back to context.
    "Love Thy neighbor as your self" could be interpreted is several ways but here is the thing-- You cant produce love out of fear of the consequences of not loving.
    At best it would be lip service.

    I could find written testimony from Ramana that "There was neither creation or dissolution"
    You could says its all Idras dream
    The cosmic dance
    God's Leila and so on.

    Nasargadatta said "You are the creator of your own world-- there would be no world without you etc."

    The paradox are countless.

    I choose the God of Unconditional Love.
    My personal life is evidence enough to me that He exists.

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    Be kind to all life, including your own, no matter what!!

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    Quote Posted by panopticon (here)
    In my opinion only through true knowledge of "self", and a deep understanding of the connection between and with all things, can true self awareness, and from this self understanding (self-realisation), be achieved. From my own perspective this is the returning of "self" to what can loosely be referred to as a "natural state of being" which is before language and associated knowledge of the "I".

    Again, thank you for presenting this enlightened teacher.

    hi Panopticon

    it is a pleasure to share truths ; )


    Self is One

    but God is the Most high of all

    when there are apparently two or more or many

    still Self is One


    nobody can question God and His actions

    for God is the Most wise and able of all


    we just need to up our understanding to get God of the Old Testament

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    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)


    I choose the God of Unconditional Love.
    My personal life is evidence enough to me that He exists.
    how we relate to God is personal

    how God acts in the world is public


    God flooded the whole world once

    God incinerated Sodom and Gomorrah

    God killed at Kurukshetra


    so i agree God is Unconditional Love ; )


    because He brought those carnal bastards home to school them and save their soul
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    oh sinnerman

    where you gonna run to ?


    your secrets are seen

    your works are watched





    oh sinnerman

    repent or run to the devil


    he is waitin for you

    oh sinnerman

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    Awesome stuff redezra thank you !

    "May you receive the greatest gift that anyone can wish for you: the perception of the Christ spirit in your own heart." ~Paramahansa Yogananda~
    ~~ In wonderment I bow to the Cosmos ~~

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    you can run on for a long time

    run on for a long time

    sooner or later God will cut you down



    i've been down on bended knee

    talkin to the man from Galilee

    He spoke to me in a voice so sweet

    i thought i heard the shuffle of angels feet

    He called my name and my heart stood still

    when He said John go do my will





    go tell that long tongue liar

    go and tell that midnight rider

    tell the rambler the gambler the back biter

    tell them that God is gonna cut them down


    you can throw your rock hide your hand

    workin in the dark against your fellow man

    but as sure as God made black and white

    what is done in the dark will be brought into the light


    you can run on for a long time

    sooner or later God will cut you down

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    i see some find it impossible to integrate God from what they have read about the Buddha or practised in Buddhist linage


    but Buddha lived and taught about 500 years before Jesus

    in the Vedic culture with a plethora of gods whose relative existence he accepted

    but these gods could not confer salvation or enlightenment to the people

    they had to do this on their own


    all the cultures of the world were polytheistic at that time

    except the nation of Israel who had their beloved Jehova

    whom they provoked to anger many a times


    Jesus came from the Israel culture and called the God of the Israelites for Father

    while all the other nations were still polytheistic


    Buddha never spoke of God of the Old Testament

    as his business was to teach the road of righteousness leading to salvation from suffering


    God of the Old Testament has given the gift of salvation from suffering to all people through Christ


    before Jesus men had to do it on their own and some still do

    but for 2000 years this has been done for us by God


    salvation from suffering is freely found at the Cross but not many come and stay


    such is the serpentry of Satan or Mara

    that he has blinded the minds of men from receiving this free gift of God


    salvation from suffering

    is a promise from God

    to those who come to the Cross and stay til they meet Christ and then walk with Him


    on the righteous road to salvation





    some say salvation is not same as enlightenment

    and Heaven is not same as Nirvana


    if we want to live a life free from sorrow then Heaven is the state to be

    i mean i want to be me


    and if Nirvana is no more soul no more personality

    then i get that every time i go to sleep ; )

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    go Jonah and tell Nineveh

    the great Assyrian city

    that their exceeding wickedness has come up before Me


    but Jonah fled to Tarshish and set sail for Jaffa

    i guess he knew the Assyrians ; )


    so God raised up a storm and the ship gave Jonah to the sea

    then came a whale and swallowed him whole




    in where he spent three days and nights

    until he gave in and said fine i go to Nineveh


    crying God will destroy you in 40 days

    the king was impressed by lone gun Jonah

    he and his people donned sackcloth and ashes

    fasting and praying from dawn til dusk


    and after 40 days Nineveh was still standing

    while Jonah was angry

    i guess he knew the Assyrians ; )


    so he set up shelter a bit outside the city

    to wait and see what would happen with it


    God made a plant to give Jonah some shade from the sun

    then caused a worm to wither the plant


    exposed to scorching sun and vehement east wind

    Jonah just wanted to die



    Then God said to Jonah, "Is it right for you to be angry about the plant?" And he said, "It is right for me to be angry, even to death!"

    But the LORD said, "You have had pity on the plant for which you have not labored, nor made it grow, which came up in a night and perished in a night.

    "And should I not pity Nineveh, that great city, in which are more than one hundred and twenty thousand persons who cannot discern between their right hand and their left--and much livestock?" - Jonah 4:9-11
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    creation is consciousness


    consciousness is sleepin in the stone

    consciousness is dreamin in the plant

    consciousness is awake in the animal

    consciousness is self-counscious in men

    consciousness is Self-counscious in sages


    creation is consciousness


    the least common denominator in creation is consciousness


    where is God in this equation ? everywhere

    consciousness is Self in God


    I AM

    and there is nobody else

    you are thoughts in My mind

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    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)
    Sai Baba said more or less " Your last thoughts will determine where you end up-- to begin with"
    someone told a shopkeeper that his last thoughts in life would determine where he ended up

    so the shopkeeper named his six sons after Vedic gods


    and so at his deathbed he would call on his sons

    and they came one by one


    then the shopkeeper said with his last breath

    who's watchin the shop ?



    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)
    Jesus said in "My fathers house are many mansions" so different heavens for different spiritual vibration?
    everybody must end up somewhere ; )

    somebody must be in charge of this soul transmigration



    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)
    "Love Thy neighbor as your self" could be interpreted is several ways but here is the thing-- You cant produce love out of fear of the consequences of not loving.
    At best it would be lip service.
    love is praising God and keeping His commandments



    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)
    I could find written testimony from Ramana that "There was neither creation or dissolution"
    Self is not affected by apparent creation or dissolution



    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)
    Nasargadatta said "You are the creator of your own world-- there would be no world without you etc."

    we enter and exit this world

    and when we die we don't take the world with us

    for where would those left behind live ; )

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    we've had fun and sorrow under the sun

    but nothin stays the same

    there is a time for everythin

    and there is an end to this age


    six days God created then on the 7th He ceased and blessed it

    six millennia men labour then they rest in blessedness




    with God one day is like a thousand years


    science says this age is ancient

    but Scripture says it's just 6000 years


    the time has come for men to rest

    from the works of the world and the pain of evil


    the Lion of Judah has risen

    to set everything straight


    the return of the King of kings

    might come as a thief in the night

    and as a shock to most


    but not to those who watch and pray
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    hi,
    Its me again,,, my question is, cant anyone round here think for themselves?, endlessly quoting this and that guy, lets have some original thinking, so you will say ok go on then, ok i'll start, "IT IS ONLY GOD THAT WILL JUDGE YOU, NO MAN", discuss
    love always
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    G'day hexenomega,

    Quote Posted by hexenomega (here)
    Its me again,,, my question is, cant anyone round here think for themselves?
    Yep, do it all the time. Only use quotes to make a point and to show that I am not alone in my opinion.

    Quote Posted by hexenomega (here)
    endlessly quoting this and that guy, lets have some original thinking
    We think in a language that we did not create but was handed down to us. Our thoughts are formed within the limitations of that language and our ability to construct original thought is defined by our perspective, that is in turn limited by the various socialisation processes that assisted in the formation of self. Society works on and through us via the various discursive processes that assist in the formation of society and we are part of that ongoing organic process. To say "this is my thought" ignores the factors that created and led up to the creation of the thought. Instead I refer to the thought as both separate from me (as part of the societal processes that exist within the greater collective consciousness) and part of the essence that the self defines as "I" (which is closer to the "umwelt" primary nature of any physical being).

    To use language to define something limits understanding. That is the problem in the end isn't it? Whether someone is Christian, Wiccan, Pagan, Buddhist, Daoist, Hindu or Atheist makes little difference here. Our thinking is defined by language and by definition the limitations of language limits understanding, yet most try to use language to explain things, that by their very nature, are beyond language.

    Quote Posted by hexenomega (here)
    so you will say ok go on then, ok i'll start, "IT IS ONLY GOD THAT WILL JUDGE YOU, NO MAN"
    Why would I? I'm not a Christian, nor a believer in an anthropomorphic personified deity, so I have no interest in that discussion. I only participate in the Bible thread to put forward a different understanding of the origins of the texts. Maybe start a new thread if that is what you want to discuss.
    Kind Regards,
    Panopticon

    Addendum:
    The thread is about the Bible and discussing the Bible... One would think there might be a bit a quoting going on due to the nature of the discussion?
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    "What we think, or what we know, or what we believe is, in the end, of little consequence.
    The only consequence is what we do."

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    Quote Posted by hexenomega (here)
    hi,
    "IT IS ONLY GOD THAT WILL JUDGE YOU, NO MAN", discuss
    Scripture says all souls will be judged by God on Judgement Day

    so you're in line with the Bible on this point dear hexen


    i do not judge

    i just expound Scripture


    besides i'm a 2 k posts guy ; )
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    Quote Addendum:
    The thread is about the Bible and discussing the Bible... One would think there might be a bit a quoting going on due to the nature of the discussion?

    Hello Panopticon,

    I`ll start with this:

    1 Corinthians 13

    Love

    1I may speak in the languages of humans and of angels. But if I don’t have love, I am a loud gong or a clashing cymbal. 2I may have the gift to speak what God has revealed, and I may understand all mysteries and have all knowledge. I may even have enough faith to move mountains. But if I don’t have love, I am nothing. 3I may even give away all that I have and give up my body to be burned.[a] But if I don’t have love, none of these things will help me. 4Love is patient. Love is kind. Love isn’t jealous. It doesn’t sing its own praises. It isn’t arrogant. 5It isn’t rude. It doesn’t think about itself. It isn’t irritable. It doesn’t keep track of wrongs. 6It isn’t happy when injustice is done, but it is happy with the truth. 7Love never stops being patient, never stops believing, never stops hoping, never gives up.
    8Love never comes to an end. There is the gift of speaking what God has revealed, but it will no longer be used. There is the gift of speaking in other languages, but it will stop by itself. There is the gift of knowledge, but it will no longer be used. 9Our knowledge is incomplete and our ability to speak what God has revealed is incomplete. 10But when what is complete comes, then what is incomplete will no longer be used. 11When I was a child, I spoke like a child, thought like a child, and reasoned like a child. When I became an adult, I no longer used childish ways. 12Now we see a blurred image in a mirror. Then we will see very clearly. Now my knowledge is incomplete. Then I will have complete knowledge as God has complete knowledge of me.
    13So these three things remain: faith, hope, and love. But the best one of these is love.
    Love, love - and see what happens

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    this love

    above all

    who is this


    Spirit of God



    whom we worship

    love is devotion


    to praise God is love

    rest is just emotion

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    I love God even if it does make me unpopular

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    Quote Posted by pugwash84 (here)
    I love God even if it does make me unpopular
    you are in good company Pugwash

    even His Son was unpopular for loving God

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