The Bible

[Beren]

We are capable.
We are capable to do good or bad. Choice is ours.
God during all history of life has lit many beacons to aid many different souls since difference needs different approach.

Bible is one of those beacons .

Either you see this or don`t.
You are free to ignore it, destroy the beacon, persuade others that it is false light and call all evidence about misuse.
That`s your free will.

Free will. Your free will was granted,you see, from God . And The very God -the builder of various beacons including Bible , will erect another and another until you get the light and embrace it.

Millions if not Billions in last two millenniums were saved from darkness by God and Christ and Bible.
Do you dare to ignore this?

Sure, you can.

Ignoring however will not change the fact of what I just said.
It will also not ignore the fact of hideous murders throughout history in the name of very God who erected beacons.

Bible carries enormous worth, more than you know (you-all of us) but it is not the only beacon.
You see, word of God is much broader than one book or whole library of books or every book that was ever written on Earth or every possible piece of work in any tech in whole Universe...

Simply word of God is truth and light and love and power and justice.

And it will always find the way to hearts and souls no matter what we do.
Because it`s God`s.

Pay due respect to light you find in God`s word. If you don`t like it - kiss it and leave it.

And no it will not haunt you or kill you- an immortal soul cannot be killed.
Word of God will only face you with Life itself -God- where you cannot hide in illusions.
But there your highest judge will be your soul finally at knowledge and realisation of how`s and when`s and why`s and who`s...

God is Love and will lovingly allow you to see all angles of your actions and desires.

And then by your choice you will grow or you will fall into low.
Not destroyed.

When and if you choose to grow instead to fall ,you will be one with God thus no need for any beacon of light in any form.
Why?

Because you are the light then.

Now until you realize this (you-all of us) , I bless you on your road. May you (all of us) find what we looking for.

[Eram]

Posted by Beren (here)
We are capable.
We are capable to do good or bad. Choice is ours.
God during all history of life has lit many beacons to aid many different souls since difference needs different approach.

Bible is one of those beacons .

Either you see this or don`t.
You are free to ignore it, destroy the beacon, persuade others that it is false light and call all evidence about misuse.
That`s your free will.

Free will. Your free will was granted,you see, from God . And The very God -the builder of various beacons including Bible , will erect another and another until you get the light and embrace it.

Millions if not Billions in last two millenniums were saved from darkness by God and Christ and Bible.
Do you dare to ignore this?

Sure, you can.

Ignoring however will not change the fact of what I just said.
It will also not ignore the fact of hideous murders throughout history in the name of very God who erected beacons.

Bible carries enormous worth, more than you know (you-all of us) but it is not the only beacon.
You see, word of God is much broader than one book or whole library of books or every book that was ever written on Earth or every possible piece of work in any tech in whole Universe...

Simply word of God is truth and light and love and power and justice.

And it will always find the way to hearts and souls no matter what we do.
Because it`s God`s.

Pay due respect to light you find in God`s word. If you don`t like it - kiss it and leave it.

And no it will not haunt you or kill you- an immortal soul cannot be killed.
Word of God will only face you with Life itself -God- where you cannot hide in illusions.
But there your highest judge will be your soul finally at knowledge and realisation of how`s and when`s and why`s and who`s...

God is Love and will lovingly allow you to see all angles of your actions and desires.

And then by your choice you will grow or you will fall into low.
Not destroyed.

When and if you choose to grow instead to fall ,you will be one with God thus no need for any beacon of light in any form.
Why?

Because you are the light then.

Now until you realize this (you-all of us) , I bless you on your road. May you (all of us) find what we looking for.

Amen

[RedeZra]

Posted by Wakytweaky (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)
God loves us so much

that God crucified His only begotten Son

so Yes God loves us


but if we don't obey God but keep on sinning

then God will flush us down the sewer

I was talking about God who loves us unconditionally.

You talk about a narrow minded God, who only exists in the narrow minds of men.

the Bible does not say that God is unconditionally loving

but that God is unconditionally forgiving

if we stop sinning

[RedeZra]

Posted by observer (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by observer (here)
[....snip]
"Ye are of your father the DEVIL...."

Jesus is not calling Yahweh the devil or diabolos but Satan our accuser and adversary
[....snip]

The book says DEVIL, Red.

It's either literal, or it's figurative.

Most of your rhetoric is literal interpretations.

You can't have it both ways to suit your agenda. That's called "cherry-picking".

yes the verse says devil but it doesn't mention Yahweh

so you just think Jesus is refering to Yahweh

when He is talking about the devil who is satan

[RedeZra]

Posted by billyji (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)


God did not bring the Quran

Red you have not done your research here. The same God who sent the Angel Gabriel to announce to Mary that she was to concieve and bring Jesus into the world, This same God sent the same Angel Gabriel to Mohamed to write down the Quran.

how can it be the same angel

when the angel announces to Mary

that she will give birth to the Son of God

and not some prophet as the Quran says


And the angel answered and said to her, "[The] Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God. - Luke 1:35

[RedeZra]

Posted by gripreaper (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)
i stick to the Bible

Like glue. You wont look at or address anything which challenges your biblical paradigm, such as the origins of monotheism, the prevalence of pagan blood sacrifice ritual in all of the ancient beliefs, or the notion that a god can be murderous, torturous, and angry at the same time as love unconditionally.

Unconditional means..."WITHOUT CONDITION" so god cannot have it both ways. Impossible.

i've looked into it

and the Bible is rock solid


who told you that God is unconditional love ?


Scripture says God loves righteousness and hates unrighteousness

but because of love for us God sent Christ to pin every sin to the Cross

and so we will be forgiven unconditionally if we stop sinning

Posted by gripreaper (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)
you have chosen another source for your understanding

Nope, wrong again. It's not "A Source" that I have chosen, it's many many lifetimes of experience, imbedded in the DNA of my very immortal soul, coupled with all of the available resources of the ancient gnostic truths, as well as the archeological records, the akashic records, the astrotheology and the very nature of consciousness and planet earth herself. ALL OF IT. Like Yeshua said, my people perish for what? LACK OF KNOWLEDGE.

well the Bible says we only live once so i dunno

you got a gut feeling and some resonance ringing maybe coupled with divination or witchcraft

My people perish for not reading the Bible and obeying Jesus Christ

[RedeZra]

Posted by Wakytweaky (here)
I see what's happening here....

It's a classical case of:
"Yes it is"
"No it isn't"

The most dead end street of them all.

50 pages of them.... my God!

Everyone may believe what he/she wants.

actually it's a case of Bible teachings vs other opinions

[RedeZra]

Heaven is not a given but God has made it possible through Jesus Christ

so what must we do to get in ?


we have to stop sinning start obeying the Ten Commands and seek the Spirit of Jesus Christ

and baptism is recommended for receiving the Holy spirit who will convict and correct us



Then Jesus said to His disciples, "Assuredly, I say to you that it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.

"And again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

When His disciples heard [it], they were greatly astonished, saying, "Who then can be saved?"

But Jesus looked at [them] and said to them, "With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible." - Matthew 19:23-26

[RedeZra]

Jesus Christ accomplished several things here on earth


He atoned for all the sins of the world and so He has the power to forgive our sins

He gave God a Name and Form as it is hard to have a relationship with Spirit

He showed us how to live as His life and words are good examples to us


i'm sure there is more but three is good

[Billy]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by billyji (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)


God did not bring the Quran

Red you have not done your research here. The same God who sent the Angel Gabriel to announce to Mary that she was to concieve and bring Jesus into the world, This same God sent the same Angel Gabriel to Mohamed to write down the Quran.

how can it be the same angel

when the angel announces to Mary

that she will give birth to the Son of God

and not some prophet as the Quran says


And the angel answered and said to her, "[The] Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God. - Luke 1:35

Because within the Angelic Realms each Angel is unique by their name, Each has their role as either messenger, Healer, Protector, Etc. Gabriel is known as the angel of revelation. God often chooses Gabriel to communicate important messages. There is only one Gabriel Red.

http://www.lucidcafe.com/library/95dec/muhammad.html
Muhammad was born around the year 570 in the city of Mecca, Arabia. His name means "highly praised." Muhammad's full name was Abu al-Qasim Muhammad Ibn Abd Allah Ibn Abd al-Muttalib Ibn Hashim. He was the last prophet of the religion of Islam.

Muhammad's father, Abdallah, died several weeks before his birth and his mother, Aminah, died when he was six years old. He was raised by his paternal grandfather, 'Abd al Muttalib, until the age of eight, and after his grandfather's death by Abu Talib, his paternal uncle. Under the guardianship of Abu Talib, Muhammad began to earn a living as a businessman and a trader.

The tradition of Islam claims that in the year 610, Muhammad, while on a retreat to Mount Hira for meditation during the month of Ramadan, received his first revelation from the Archangel Gabriel. Gabriel said to Muhammad: "Iqraa," meaning "read" or "recite." He replied, "I cannot read." Gabriel embraced Muhammad and after releasing him repeated: "Iqraa." Muhammad's answer was the same as before. Gabriel repeated the embrace, asking Muhammad to repeat after him and said: "Recite in the name of your Lord who created! He created man from that which clings. Recite; and thy Lord is most Bountiful, He who has taught by the pen, taught man what he knew not."

The Angel Gabriel visited the Muhammad many times over a period of twenty-three years. Gabriel taught Muhammad the verses and he instructed his scribes to record them. All the revealed verses are compiled in the Qur'an. The Prophet's sayings and actions are recorded separately in collections known as Hadith. Muslims believe that Muhammad was a messenger of Allah (Arabic for The One and Only God) and last of the prophets sent by Allah to guide man to the right path.

The Prophet's mission was to restore the worship of the One True God, the creator and sustainer of the universe, as taught by Prophet Abraham and all Prophets of God, and to demonstrate the laws of moral, ethical, legal, and social conduct. Islam means peace by submission and obedience to the Will and Commandments of God. Those who accept Islam are called Muslims, meaning those who have accepted the message of peace by submission to God.

Divine Revelation

http://www.religionfacts.com/islam/history/prophet.htm

In his late 30s Muhammad took to regularly visiting a cave in Mount Hira, on the outskirts of Mecca, to seek solitude and contemplation. In 610, at the age of 40, Muhammad returned from one such visit telling his wife he had either gone mad or become a prophet, for he had been visited by an angel. The initially startled Khadija became his first convert.

Muhammad reported that while in a trance-like state, the Angel Gabriel appeared to him and said "Proclaim!" But like Moses, Muhammed was a reluctant prophet. He replied, "I am not a proclaimer." The angel persisted, and the Prophet repeatedly resisted, until the angel finally overwhelmed Muhammad and commanded him:

Proclaim in the name of your Lord who created!
Created man from a clot of blood.
Proclaim: Your Lord is the Most Generous,
Who teaches by the pen;
Teaches man what he knew not. (Qur'an 96:1-3)
http://angels.about.com/od/AngelsRel...el-Gabriel.htm
Role in Religious Texts:
Gabriel plays an important role in the religious texts of Islam, Judaism, and Christianity. The founder of Islam, the prophet Muhammad, said that Gabriel appeared to him to dictate the entire Qur’an. In Al Baqarah 2:97, the Qur’an declares: “Who is an enemy to Gabriel! For he brings down the (revelation) to thy heart by God's will, a confirmation of what went before, and guidance and glad tidings for those who believe." In the Hadith, Gabriel again appears to Muhammad and quizzes him about Islam’s tenets. Muslims believe that Gabriel gave the prophet Abraham a stone known as the Black Stone of Ka'aba; Muslims who travel on pilgrimages to Mecca, Saudi Arabia kiss that stone. Muslims, Jews, and Christians all believe that Gabriel delivered news of the upcoming births of three famous religious figures: Isaac, John, and Jesus. So people sometimes associate Gabriel with childbirth, adoption, and raising children. Jewish tradition says that Gabriel instructs babies before they’re born. In the Torah, Gabriel interprets the prophet Daniel’s visions, saying in Daniel 9:22 that he has come to give Daniel “insight and understanding.” Jews believe that, in heaven, Gabriel stands besides God’s throne at God’s left hand. God sometimes charges Gabriel with expressing his judgment against sinful people, Jewish beliefs say, as God did when he sent Gabriel to use fire to destroy the ancient city of Sodom that was filled with wicked people. Christians often think of Gabriel informing Mary that God has chosen her to become the mother of Jesus Christ. The Bible quotes Gabriel as telling Mary in Luke 1:30-31: “Do not be afraid, Mary; you have found favor with God. You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to call him Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High.” During the same visit, Gabriel informs Mary of her cousin Elizabeth’s pregnancy with John the Baptist.

It is the same Angel Redezra. Only one Gabriel.

Peace

[RedeZra]

Posted by billyji (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)
how can it be the same angel

when the angel announces to Mary

that she will give birth to the Son of God

and not some prophet as the Quran says

Because within the Angelic Realms each Angel is unique by their name, Each has their role as either messenger, Healer, Protector, Etc. Gabriel is known as the angel of revelation. God often chooses Gabriel to communicate important messages. There is only one Gabriel Red.

i do not think Gabriel is a misguided messenger messing up messages

but the Bible says satan is able to appear as an angel



And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light.

Therefore [it is] no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works. 2 Corinthians 11:14-15


i suspect Moroni falls into this category as well

[Billy]

Just to say i have enjoyed the debating/sharing conversations on this pentacost sunday, thank you. i leave you all with a invocation that i remember from my catholic experiences. one that i still love to recite.

Come Holy Spirit, fill the hearts of your faithful and kindle in them the fire of your love. Send forth your Spirit and they shall be created. And You shall renew the face of the earth.


Amen and blessed be

peace

[RedeZra]

Posted by billyji (here)
Just to say i have enjoyed the debating/sharing conversations on this pentacost sunday, thank you. i leave you all with a invocation that i remember from my catholic experiences. one that i still love to recite.

Come Holy Spirit, fill the hearts of your faithful and kindle in them the fire of your love. Send forth your Spirit and they shall be created. And You shall renew the face of the earth.


Amen and blessed be

peace

Beautiful Billyji



Lord Let Your Fire Fall

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Ogv6Cyj0IP4

[Billy]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by billyji (here)
Did you know that the holy spirit is feminine. She is the Shekinah, Wisdom herself.

no i did not know that

Of course remembering that the Holy Spirit is the divine feminine

peace

[RedeZra]

why do i believe the Bible ?



the testimonies about Jesus


Nasir Siddiki meets Jesus and is healed from shingles

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=52UChmWddW8

the works and words of Ron Wyatt


Jesu Blood on the Ark of the Covenant containing the Ten Commandments writ in stone

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=EGLPADW_kUw

Noah's Ark in Ararat

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=3PSZNYdfawQ

Sodom & Gomorrah

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=oG3QsisQrkc

Mt. Sinai in Saudi Arabia

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=K-eSRcr9CWw

the signs in the sky confirming Scriptural information


the Star of Bethlehem

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=QGeSRyzN49Q

[greybeard]

Interesting discussion with David Sereda and Christian on the Bible.
Some thoughts on the near future outlined by David Sereda.
I have no opinion on it as I havent studies the various view points.

Chris

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=NrrhC0fI-ko

[Kindred]

I just happened upon this item this morning... Quite Enlightening!

Here's the origin of RedeZra's avatar... not the statue/model itself, but the Origin of the Concept...

The entire interview is intriguing, but the particular segment of interest is at around 32 min's in.

"Inside The Actors Studio - George Carlin" on YouTube

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ekRTGDuf07o

In Unity, Peace and Love

[Lifebringer]

Amen to that. It's amazing sometimes when the verses fit our generation and the parables Jesus spoke, were not for that generation, who would not have understood, and was being cafefully molded to the GovRomanKing books after changing the books, and destroying any true Christians by feeding them to the lions. They didn't want to leave any strings untied, so the masses would one day find that the reason for the Revelation of the 7 Churches/lampstands, was because of the "changing of God's word."

The parables went above their heads, even the part about take this and eat and drink for this is my body, and this wine is my blood. His word is the gospel, and the drinking of the word, their salvation to the Kingdom of God's Heaven on earth.
Just amazing that the wisdom to go to the very ends of the 6,000 years of man's selfish rule, that fits and is guide to the 'blinders of the elders" that allowed this to happen for a "few shekels" against the children and grandchildren's future and world. They destroy the water and air, and think NO ONE will notice?

What disconnected dots we have in our world.

[gripreaper]

Using technology to fix the problems created by technology seems to be an insane thing to do....

George Carlin.

[Beren]

Posted by greybeard (here)
Interesting discussion with David Sereda and Christian on the Bible.
Some thoughts on the near future outlined by David Sereda.
I have no opinion on it as I havent studies the various view points.

Chris

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=NrrhC0fI-ko

Chris that was a good video.
I agree with Sereda but also in some points with this guy Christian.
Though Christian is a bit dogmatic as many religious people are.

Ever wonder why Christ argued with Pharisees and other authorities in those years?
Because they became ones like this guy Christian is today.

It`s like holding to written words and texts and else so adamantly that you fail to see alive Christ infront of you.
Christ is an eye ,heart and soul opener.

And is above texts,words and belief systems.
He`s God ,and difference between us and him is that he`s aware of this and majority isn`t.

Being God you can do whatever you so please in all existence in all dimensions.
And here you find a person who clings to their vision of what God is or how does it looks like and such.

So actually to accept Christ and thus God and to become as Christ is;
you need to die and be reborn in spirit.

You need to let go of this world and its reasoning and mental blockages.
You need to die for this world and its ways and be reborn into ways of the soul -ways of Christ and ways of God.

But some cling to the world while in the same time claim Christianity...
It doesn`t work like that.

Very Christ says so.