The Bible

[greybeard]

Hi Beren
The way I see it is, on the death of the ego the illusory individual self realises it it is one with The Father.
Only God is--- One without a second--- the rest is Maya-- Indras dream.
In other words enlightenment--- freedom from ignorance.
Jesus said "God forgive them for they know not what they do" thats the ignorance.
We are in duality-- Non-duality is One without a second.
The mind cant get that.-- It complicates things.
Its simple-- love God and fellow man-- forgive them as we ask for forgivness from Christ.

With Love Chris

[RedeZra]

Posted by greybeard (here)
Hi Beren
The way I see it is, on the death of the ego the illusory individual self realises it it is one with The Father.
Only God is--- One without a second--- the rest is Maya-- Indras dream.

as i have come to understand it


it is the Holy spirit or Spirit of God

who unites us as gods in God


so we do not loose our individuality

but become godlike children of God


because of the indwelling of the Holy spirit

whom Jesus sends to those who believe and ask

[greybeard]

Dear Red--my friend.
Try this for size.
Jesus said The father and I are one. (One means one)
In ancient Vedic that meant merging with God--- no individual left--- One without a second.
Jesus said what he did we can do--- so we can become One--- merged with the Father.
The wave becomes the Ocean.

One is thoughtless awareness--- the is only one uniform awarenes in that state-- condition.
There is no individual awareness as there is no individual left.
Awareness is totally aware of Self
The mind cant get that.

We need subject and object to define ourselves.

Its as though there is One divine Creator God and we are a lesser voltage of that energy on enlightenment but not different or diverse in any way.
Every Avatar and Jesus said the same thing. You are God but you dont know that yet.
You can proclaim it but it is not so till, through the Grace of God, you realize that state--- God realized.
The ancient texts say in that state called enlightenment there is neither subject nor object literalily "all" is One.
God is the totality all of it.

Regards Chris

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Posted by greybeard (here)
Dear Red--my friend.
Try this for size.
Jesus said The father and I are one. (One means one)
In ancient Vedic that meant merging with God--- no individual left--- One without a second.
Jesus said what he did we can do--- so we can become One--- merged with the Father.
The wave becomes the Ocean.

One is thoughtless awareness--- the is only one uniform awarenes in that state-- condition.
There is no individual awareness as there is no individual left.
Awareness is totally aware of Self
The mind cant get that.

We need subject and object to define ourselves.

Its as though there is One divine Creator God and we are a lesser voltage of that energy on enlightenment but not different or diverse in any way.
Every Avatar and Jesus said the same thing. You are God but you dont know that yet.
You can proclaim it but it is not so till, through the Grace of God, you realize that state--- God realized.
The ancient texts say in that state called enlightenment there is neither subject nor object literalily "all" is One.
God is the totality all of it.

Regards Chris

Good post, Chris. This reminds me of the Buddhist teaching of "no self", which is a struggle for many students. In Taoism of course, it is said that there is only the Tao, which would mean the same thing. So we see these three great traditions agree in a way.

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

When I go see a great movie, I get all excited....

Then the buzz starts to go away,

So I go and see the movie again but it's not the same. It's still great but it's just not the same.

Then I take a friend to see the movie and I enjoy it more watching him enjoy it than when I first watched it myself,, wow it's like I watched it for the first time again.

Then the feeling goes away again.

Then my friend does the same ... I want to be there to share the experience. It gives me that feeling again.

We make a club and we try and get everyone to find someone who'll watch the movie with us again. Yes sometimes it's 300 of us all watching one person watching the movie and when he laughs we all laugh and it's very powerful and when he cries we all cry with him.

Some of us can't wait for the next person to watch the movie with us so we try different ways. Some go on streets like Covent Garden in London and scream at people to come and watch this movie. Some try knocking on doors. We all do our bit.

I just hate it when the feeling goes. Sometimes we have 15 people come all at once to watch the movie and that just sends everyones energy wild with glee.

It's tough keeping the buzz alive. It really is.


SKi-

[RedeZra]

Posted by greybeard (here)
Dear Red--my friend.
Try this for size.
Jesus said The father and I are one. (One means one)

yes Chris it means One in Spirit


Jesus has what is called a glorified body

but shares the same Spirit of God with the Father


and we are invited to share this Spirit of God

in our own glorified bodies


so according to the Bible

we do not vanish but live on

in ethereal bodies

with the Spirit of God within

[greybeard]

Hi Red--- we are formless in essence, so says the oldest spiritual texts, Nasargadatta and Ramana and many other enlightened beings all One in Non duality.
We existed befor universes and will exist after universes---the out breath of God creates the inbreath pulls all back in.
I believe what Jesus said but I dont throw the ancient texts out that existed for many thousands of years BC.
The Truth has allways been available.
Im saying dont throw the baby out with the bath water.
Regards Chris

[GCS1103]

God Bless you, Red, for fighting the good fight.

Whether someone comes here to post their thoughts that you are so wrong in your convictions or they agree with you (as I do), you have 52 pages of responses and, at the very least, this thread gets people thinking. That's always a good thing.

Love,
Goldie

[gripreaper]

In duality we need to let all of it go. Our genetic imprints, our socialization, our belief systems, our religions, our churches, our bibles, out savior myths, etc. The whole enchilada is a lie.

It is impossible to see the matrix and come out of it, and merge with the "all that is" until we are willing to let go of all of our sacred cows. The most pervasive and destructive of all of these beliefs is the bible and the whole savior myth.

[RedeZra]

Posted by greybeard (here)
Hi Red--- we are formless in essence, so says the oldest spiritual texts, Nasargadatta and Ramana and many other enlightened beings all One in Non duality.
We existed befor universes and will exist after universes---the out breath of God creates the inbreath pulls all back in.

hi Chris

i'm sure God existed before the universe

but i don't think i did


God is formless but can take form

angels and men are not formless


angels have ethereal bodies while men have also physical bodies

when we die and loose our physicality then we live on in our ethereal bodies


so Scriptural speaking the goal is not to deconstruct the soul and cease to exist

but to fill the soul with the Spirit of God


Regards ; )

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Posted by gripreaper (here)
The most pervasive and destructive of all of these beliefs is the bible and the whole savior myth.

actually it's the only one which will save our souls

[greybeard]

The ancient texts do not say you cease to exist, far from it-- your true Self is revealed which is time less, non location, formless and eternal.
Nasargadatta says "Who were you before you were born?"
He said he is the unborn.
The human form is born then we become the indweller.
We are not the human form.
Im sure Angels are as you describe, time being we need them to be as you say.
We are eternal and reincarnate time after time till we discover or rather uncover our true self--- One with God.
There are so many enlightened souls who have said the same thing for thousands of years.
They are uniform in this teaching even though the mesage comes from various cultures.
Die (ego) that you may have eternal life.
Total surrender to the will of God is required---- most religion teach total surrender.

I dont have to be right, because I love Jesus and God Im sure all will be well at the end of my day regardless of any error in my thinking.

Love Chris

ps one teacher whom im sure you know Red said---
There is only One soul and I am it---- That might apply to all of us.
My understanding is that there is only one consciousness evolving spiritually through all of us yet the paradox is that in our true nature we are allready whole and perfect.

[gripreaper]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by gripreaper (here)
The most pervasive and destructive of all of these beliefs is the bible and the whole savior myth.

actually it's the only one which will save our souls

Actually my soul does not need saving. My soul is eternal, has always been and always will be, and is not limited by linear time constraints and beliefs vested in duality and 3D consciousness.

Once you realize you are immortal, many of the lies and myths dissolve, not just the savior myth. The other great myth is the myth of death. There is no death, only the death of the myths which keep you trapped, the myths perpetuated in the bible, the elite's playbook for subjugation.

Why is this so hard to see?

[RedeZra]

Posted by greybeard (here)
The ancient texts do not say you cease to exist, far from it-- your true Self is revealed which is time less, non location, formless and eternal.

this sounds like the State of God

formless nameless spaceless timeless


but this position is taken

God is God

and we will never become God


but God invites us to become gods

immortal souls filled with the Spirit of God


and this invitation is given by His Son

Posted by greybeard (here)
We are eternal and reincarnate time after time till we discover or rather uncover our true self--- One with God.

do we really reincarnate ?


there is no basis in the Bible to support this idea

some say what about the Scriptural hints about John the Baptist being Elijah

but the thing is Elijah never died

as he was taken up to God in a chariot of fire

[RedeZra]

Posted by gripreaper (here)
Once you realize you are immortal, many of the lies and myths dissolve, not just the savior myth. The other great myth is the myth of death. There is no death, only the death of the myths which keep you trapped, the myths perpetuated in the bible, the elite's playbook for subjugation.

death is not a myth

but a certainty


and if we don't abide by the Constitution of the Kingdom of God

then we will stand before the Tribunal of Heaven


we can be lawless as much as we want

but sooner or later we must all face the Law

[gripreaper]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by gripreaper (here)
Once you realize you are immortal, many of the lies and myths dissolve, not just the savior myth. The other great myth is the myth of death. There is no death, only the death of the myths which keep you trapped, the myths perpetuated in the bible, the elite's playbook for subjugation.

death is not a myth but a certainty
and if we don't abide by the Constitution of the Kingdom of God
then we will stand before the Tribunal of Heaven
we can be lawless as much as we want
but sooner or later we must all face the Law

Death is a myth. Elijah came back as John the Baptist, so if he was dead, how did he come back?

The Law is about a 5000 year old construct, developed by Egypt's Akenaten and further developed by the Romans, to subjugate you and make you believe in myths. Tribunal's were developed by the Roman elite in order to keep the populace under their control.

A loving god does not have an elitist, controlling, subjugate, murderous and evil intent. That's all a construct of Law, which is man made.

[RedeZra]

Posted by gripreaper (here)
Death is a myth. Elijah came back as John the Baptist, so if he was dead, how did he come back?

Elijah like Enoch did not die

Posted by gripreaper (here)

A loving god does not have an elitist, controlling, subjugate, murderous and evil intent. That's all a construct of Law, which is man made.

a loving God is also a just God

so we reap what we sow


if we break the Ten Commandments

then we will be held accountable


so seek the Mercy of Christ and save the soul

after all Jesus is the only one who pinned our sins to the Cross

[gripreaper]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by gripreaper (here)
Death is a myth. Elijah came back as John the Baptist, so if he was dead, how did he come back?

Elijah like Enoch did not die

So finally you agree with me. Neither did Enoch, or Elijah, or Yeshua, or me or YOU dies. You are an immortal soul and have reincarnated many times, and will continue to do so until the myths which you cling to are transmuted.

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by gripreaper (here)
A loving god does not have an elitist, controlling, subjugate, murderous and evil intent. That's all a construct of Law, which is man made.

a loving God is also a just God, so we reap what we sow
if we break the Ten Commandments then we will be held accountable

Like I said earlier, the Law is a construct of man, and tribunals are designed to keep you subjugated to the Rule of Law of man. God has no such man made notions.

Posted by RedeZra (here)
so seek the Mercy of Christ and save the soul

Like I said earlier, my soul does not need saving. My soul is eternal, has always been god, and IS god. Why would god need to be saved?

Posted by RedeZra (here)
after all Jesus is the only one who pinned our sins to the Cross

This is a pagan blood sacrifice ritual which existed in all of the early myths, and was inserted into the bible to keep you in fear and subjugated to the elite, by inserting it in their playbook, the bible.

It is a false and misleading notion, and is one of the major lies perpetrated by the controllers. Like Yeshua said "Oh death, where is thy sting?" He was teaching us that there is no death.

[RedeZra]

Posted by gripreaper (here)

So finally you agree with me. Neither did Enoch, or Elijah, or Yeshua, or me or YOU dies. You are an immortal soul and have reincarnated many times, and will continue to do so until the myths which you cling to are transmuted.

no i do not agree


you and i will die

Enoch and Elijah did not die but was taken up to God

Jesus did die and was resurrected

Posted by gripreaper (here)
Like I said earlier, the Law is a construct of man, and tribunals are designed to keep you subjugated to the Rule of Law of man. God has no such man made notions.

we can make as many laws as we like

and we do

but God is the Final authority

Posted by gripreaper (here)
Like I said earlier, my soul does not need saving. My soul is eternal, has always been god, and IS god. Why would god need to be saved?

satan made this same mistake

Posted by gripreaper (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)
after all Jesus is the only one who pinned our sins to the Cross

This is a pagan blood sacrifice ritual which existed in all of the early myths, and was inserted into the bible to keep you in fear and subjugated to the elite, by inserting it in their playbook, the bible.

God wants some Law and Order in the world of men

and so there is a valuable price to pay for breaking the Law

[gripreaper]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by gripreaper (here)

So finally you agree with me. Neither did Enoch, or Elijah, or Yeshua, or me or YOU dies. You are an immortal soul and have reincarnated many times, and will continue to do so until the myths which you cling to are transmuted.

no i do not agree
you and i will die
Enoch and Elijah did not die but was taken up to God
Jesus did die and was resurrected

You can't have it both ways. Either you believe in death or you do not. Yeshua did not die. Elijah and Enoch did not die. Yeshua was brutally tortured, stabbed in the rib, hung on a cross, and he still said "Oh death, where is thy sting?" because he knew there IS NO DEATH and he came here to teach us that. I am not going to die and neither are you. That is just a fact. You'll keep reincarnating until you get this.

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by gripreaper (here)
Like I said earlier, the Law is a construct of man, and tribunals are designed to keep you subjugated to the Rule of Law of man. God has no such man made notions.

we can make as many laws as we like, and we do, but God is the Final authority

Authoritarianism is a construct of man and the construct of Law, which is man made. God let's us grow and evolve at our own pace, and take as many lifetimes (incarnations) as we want. There is no judgment, and god is not authoritative. That is all man made.

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by gripreaper (here)
Like I said earlier, my soul does not need saving. My soul is eternal, has always been god, and IS god. Why would god need to be saved?

satan made this same mistake

Satan is an archetype made by the elite Roman controllers to magnify your fears, and to explain the opposite polarity in the energetic electromagnetic spectrum, of which they wanted to sever the feminine aspect and force the patriarch on us. The whole idea that the archetype these controllers created exists as an entity is a lie, and the truth is that polarization and severing and divisiveness are inside of us, and we need only but go look in the mirror and change our outdated beliefs we have adopted from these elite controllers and the bible, and stand in our own power and truth.

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by gripreaper (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)
after all Jesus is the only one who pinned our sins to the Cross

This is a pagan blood sacrifice ritual which existed in all of the early myths, and was inserted into the bible to keep you in fear and subjugated to the elite, by inserting it in their playbook, the bible.

God wants some Law and Order in the world of men and so there is a valuable price to pay for breaking the Law

Like I said earlier, the Law is a construct of man. You have free will, and can choose to be evil, and choose to pay the karma for those actions in subsequent lifetimes. All things are in balance, even though you can't see that from the limited perspective of one lifetime, shrouded in a belief structure perpetrated on you by the elite to subjugate and control you.

One day RedeZra, you will awaken though, as the dharma is assured an all sentient beings will return to source. Take as long as you like, without fear my dear friend. Let the fear go and step into your power. You will never go back, I promise. It will bring you peace and joy like you have never known before, and all of the beliefs will wash away and never return. It is very liberating!

[RedeZra]

Posted by gripreaper (here)

You can't have it both ways. Either you believe in death or you do not. Yeshua did not die. Elijah and Enoch did not die. Yeshua was brutally tortured, stabbed in the rib, hung on a cross, and he still said "Oh death, where is thy sting?" because he knew there IS NO DEATH and he came here to teach us that. I am not going to die and neither are you. That is just a fact. You'll keep reincarnating until you get this.

of course our souls do not die

but i would not count on recycling or reincarnation as a matter of fact

Posted by gripreaper (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)
we can make as many laws as we like, and we do, but God is the Final authority

Authoritarianism is a construct of man and the construct of Law, which is man made. God let's us grow and evolve at our own pace, and take as many lifetimes (incarnations) as we want. There is no judgment, and god is not authoritative. That is all man made.

i think there is no reincarnation

but a Divine order with Law and all

Posted by gripreaper (here)
Satan is an archetype made by the elite Roman controllers to magnify your fears, and to explain the opposite polarity in the energetic electromagnetic spectrum, of which they wanted to sever the feminine aspect and force the patriarch on us.

satan is very real and is the one the ptb worship and serve

Posted by gripreaper (here)
Like I said earlier, the Law is a construct of man. You have free will,and can choose to be evil, and choose to pay the karma for those actions in subsequent lifetimes.

the notion of karma and reincarnation makes a mockery of the Sacrifice of Christ

so i believe there is no such thing as karma and reincarnation


it's not possible to integrate eastern philosophies with the Gospel of Jesus Christ

so one of them is wrong


and i know Jesus is alive