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    The Bible is like an onion - there are layers and layers of understanding.
    There is the literal interpretation -
    the historical -
    the prophetical -
    the new age-
    the spiritual-
    the esoteric-
    the metaphysical-
    the mystical-
    and several other modalities of interpretation based upon what church system one is immersed in.

    Many people have tried to change what the Bible states, but in the realm of Spirit the meaning never changes - but one must be in a spiritual state to understand this - for "the natural man receives NOT the things of God." Hence the reason for all the misunderstanding concerning the Bible, as it can be used for both good and evil.
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    Thank you for your contribution Panopticon.

    I believe that once students of any of the Bibles study Irenaeus and Tertullian, then it will become more apparent for the 'conformist nature' of Organized Religion and the disappearance of Gnosticism.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irenaeus

    "Irenaeus' best-known book, Adversus Haereses or Against Heresies (c. 180) is a detailed attack on Gnosticism, which was then a serious threat to the Church, and especially on the system of the Gnostic Valentinus."

    http://ancienthistory.about.com/od/h...Gnosticism.htm

    "Irenaeus and Tertullian wrote against Gnosticism."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tertullian

    "In spite of his schism from the Church, he continued to write against heresy, especially Gnosticism."

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    ".. a fairly good introduction to the origins of todays Bible and covers the gnostic texts and reasons why they were probably not included."

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    Quote Posted by HORIZONS (here)
    The Bible is like an onion - there are layers and layers of understanding.
    There is the literal interpretation -
    the historical -
    the prophetical -
    the new age-
    the spiritual-
    the esoteric-
    the metaphysical-
    the mystical-
    and several other modalities of interpretation based upon what church system one is immersed in.

    Many people have tried to change what the Bible states, but in the realm of Spirit the meaning never changes - but one must be in a spiritual state to understand this - for "the natural man receives NOT the things of God." Hence the reason for all the misunderstanding concerning the Bible, as it can be used for both good and evil.

    Excellent comment HORIZONS!

    Remember the quote from Christ when stated that up there (heavenly realms) there is no male or female, or any kind of nations or whatever we are living it now , there is only spirit form of souls and are in unity with God.

    We are being called back to unity ,back to spirit essence ,to be able to understand all and to be all.
    Love, love and see what happens!

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    Quote Posted by Beren (here)
    Quote Posted by HORIZONS (here)
    The Bible is like an onion - there are layers and layers of understanding.
    There is the literal interpretation -
    the historical -
    the prophetical -
    the new age-
    the spiritual-
    the esoteric-
    the metaphysical-
    the mystical-
    and several other modalities of interpretation based upon what church system one is immersed in.

    Many people have tried to change what the Bible states, but in the realm of Spirit the meaning never changes - but one must be in a spiritual state to understand this - for "the natural man receives NOT the things of God." Hence the reason for all the misunderstanding concerning the Bible, as it can be used for both good and evil.

    Excellent comment HORIZONS!

    Remember the quote from Christ when stated that up there (heavenly realms) there is no male or female, or any kind of nations or whatever we are living it now , there is only spirit form of souls and are in unity with God.

    We are being called back to unity ,back to spirit essence ,to be able to understand all and to be all.
    Therefore we can now understand the misunderstood scripture - "Christ is all, and in all" - which most Christians won't touch with a ten-foot pole.
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    Unfortunately few read a Bible, and fewer still study it, or the historicity of Bibles.

    Manipulated Bibles and Organized Religions have been the core mechanisms of social control.

    The few that put some effort are carefully coached to do so under the 'guidance of a church teacher,' to put forward the 'appropriate interpretations.

    We will not wonder if conspiracies could be so organized and hidden from the common eye, it will be more a matter of how to tie them together to understand their agenda.

    - 58

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    Therefore we can now understand the misunderstood scripture -

    "Christ is all, and in all" - which most Christians won't touch with a ten-foot pole.

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    Agreed!!!

    Quote Posted by 58andfixed (here)
    Unfortunately few read a Bible, and fewer still study it, or the historicity of Bibles.

    Manipulated Bibles and Organized Religions have been the core mechanisms of social control.

    The few that put some effort are carefully coached to do so under the 'guidance of a church teacher,' to put forward the 'appropriate interpretations.

    We will not wonder if conspiracies could be so organized and hidden from the common eye, it will be more a matter of how to tie them together to understand their agenda.

    - 58

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    Therefore we can now understand the misunderstood scripture -

    "Christ is all, and in all" - which most Christians won't touch with a ten-foot pole.
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    Quote Therefore we can now understand the misunderstood scripture - "Christ is all, and in all" - which most Christians won't touch with a ten-foot pole.
    It`s the same repetition as in Jesus`s time, everybody save a few abandoned him. But later on it gained steam. When the power of holy spirit came upon people . But then again after some years corruption came in the form of "new" clergy wanna be`s ... for some were lured to be "new " priests and ministers etc. in the meantime completely forgetting why for the love of God was Christ there at all???

    Same is today.

    Core message in the Bible is intact and the holy spirit is there for all whom seek for it.
    Churches are doing a good deed in at least bringing people back to God and Bible, BUT and again HUGE BUT (not butt ) there comes a precise moment or time frame of decision for each man or woman;

    namely ;
    1.to trust God from now on and its spirit that called me forth
    2.to trust men who claim to be of God and trust their leadership

    Choice is there for all and sadly majority choose to trust men rather than God.

    And exactly there lies their fall into same thing that enslaves all - Fear.
    Many don`t trust God, many don`t believe in God , many are like Thomas was - seeing is believing, many are afraid what others would say if they follow holy spirit rather than men...

    If today`s professing Christians from all religions ( over than billion people) would step forward and claim their power by trusting God rather than organizations and men , what a miracle that would be!

    I can guarantee that a global paradigm would change in an instant!

    So many united in power of Christ would light up the planet in a day!!!
    We would realize that we have unlimited power!
    That we are of God for true! That we are divine to our very essence and more!

    So I ask you please all my fellow humans that read this here and now ; do not fear , do not quarrel over petty things, trust in God and in Love, raise to your potential , be one with Christ and God - beyond religion - for what has Christ in common with religions?
    What has the Source of Love has in common with lies?

    Nothing.

    Do not judge your fellow brothers and sisters who call themselves Christians and who are still in fear of men, help them overcome that fear!
    Realize that this very moment Christ is looking upon us all , along with God who is all and everywhere.

    God is trusting and believing in you and me.
    Even when we are not trusting and believing in ourselves - in God.
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    Quote Posted by vibrations (here)
    Quote Posted by RedeZra (here)

    Quote Posted by Daughter of Time (here)
    And by the way, what happened to the book of Mary?
    found together with other Gnostic scrolls so not reliable ; )
    So the only reliable source is coming from the social group, all men, wearing women's dress, preaching about love and molesting children? In your shoes I would seriously revise the believe system concepts which guide your thoughts patterns which sticks you to something so obviously fraudulent.
    what have wolves in women's dresses molesting children to do with the Bible ?

    many minions of Satan have become ministers


    i cannot condone Gnosticism simply because it is contrary to the words of Jesus

    i stick to Christ ; )
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    Quote Posted by RedeZra (here)
    we all ow that the PTB supresses facts artifacts and information from the public
    Yes, indeed they do.
    And, your Bible is an excellent example of their handiwork.
    ahh thnx for telling me

    wanna back it up ?

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    Quote Posted by Orion.V (here)
    Jesus is son of god, but we are too. We all came from the same source ( god ).
    - Jesus was also a teacher but not many people realised his teachings.
    WE create our own heaven or hell, nobody or no god has set a perfect or torturous world for us. It is a path and endless journey that we take on and it is up to our own free will how we balance it and where we end up.
    Jesus Christ is the Creator on the Cross and the pierced Heart of God


    if you contemplate on this i promise much good ; )

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    For those interested "The Bible Unearthed" contributes much to an understanding of the development of Bibles and Organized Religion.

    1 of 4. The Patriarchs



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t440bxhn1qA

    51m 30s 2,549 views

    Aired in 2005.

    2/4. The.Exodus.
    3/4. The.Kings.
    4/4. The.Book.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_Unearthed

    "The Bible Unearthed: Archaeology's New Vision of Ancient Israel and the Origin of Its Sacred Texts is a 2001 book about the archaeology of Israel and its relationship to the origins of the Hebrew Bible."

    "The authors are Israel Finkelstein, Professor of Archaeology at Tel Aviv University, and Neil Asher Silberman, a contributing editor to Archaeology Magazine."



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    Quote Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
    What about all the ''witches'' that were burnt? Is that fake?
    What about the women, muslim and jewish that were raped by the crusaders in Jerusalem when it was captured?
    Are you saying that the crimes committed by the christians and their church in history are not true?
    there is a spiritual war between the powers of good and the forces of evil

    and it bleeds through and drips into our world


    most of the crusaders were well men and not Christlike as most men and also Christians


    devil worship has a long bloody history

    from the canyons of Canaan to the tops of Tenochtitlan

    in the courts of kings and shacks in the woods

    sex sacrifice and summoning of spirits


    Quote Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
    And who are you to decide what gospel is reliable or not?
    i am me and nobody has to agree with me ; )

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    Quote Posted by Muzz (here)
    Quote then you muzz dig deeper ; )
    Patronizing and dismissive.
    i hope innocent play on words don't offend you

    and yes if you think the Bible and Christianity is the core force of evil in the world

    then you muzz dig deeper ; )

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    Quote Posted by ghostrider (here)

    Join me and live forever, refuse and burn in hell forever, is that really a choice ??
    Christ is real and the Devil is real


    there is a war raging between good and evil

    evil will eventually be confined in hell while good will see heaven


    the point and purpose of Christ on the Cross

    who is the Heart of God who spoke creation and creatures into being


    is that nobody needs to spend time in hell with the Devil and his devils and demons

    because of sins mistakes and evil that we have done and do


    He took all our sins upon Himself

    so we just need to trust Him and seek Him til we find Him
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    Yesterday I met world famous wizard Oberon Zell-Ravenheart who did a reading for me.



    He had such a good energy about him, was so honest, and helped me out with my current situation. I compare him to all the former pastors and youth leaders I knew when I was once a born again Christian, and it once again confirms which of the two are truly evil.

    Just being around him, you could feel this man was a good character, he was extremely tired, he'd been talking to people individually for about 8 hours straight at this point, but still treated me as an individual, had a conversation with me, and then gave me a taro card reading. He gave me some good, honest advice about how to make it out of my current predicament.

    As opposed to the typical Christians advice: Pray to God, he'll help you........
    People are so scared to believe in anything, for fear of being fooled, that they end up being fooled in to not believing.

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    Therefore we can now understand the misunderstood scripture - "Christ is all, and in all" - which most Christians won't touch with a ten-foot pole.
    this is the 'new man' who is renewed in knowledge according to the image of Him who created him

    and not the 'old man' of the world

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    As opposed to the typical Christians advice: Pray to God, he'll help you........
    when Christians want to relate to Christ then let them


    you are free to walk your own path and do your own things

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    Quote Posted by RedeZra (here)
    you are free to walk your own path and do your own things
    Thank you for making me aware of my rights.
    People are so scared to believe in anything, for fear of being fooled, that they end up being fooled in to not believing.

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    G'day pharoah21,

    Thank you for sharing this.
    Oberon looks like an interesting character.

    Kind Regards,
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    The only consequence is what we do."

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    Quote Posted by RedeZra (here)
    Quote Posted by Muzz (here)
    Quote then you muzz dig deeper ; )
    Patronizing and dismissive.
    i hope innocent play on words don't offend you

    and yes if you think the Bible and Christianity is the core force of evil in the world

    then you muzz dig deeper ; )
    RedeZra,

    I think you have, once again, hit upon the core reason why so many never "uncover" the wonderful truth in the Bible and then apply it to their lives. Most just simply "skim" over the top of it, or more accurately, over the "outer layers" that have indeed been molested and polluted by carnal man. By "carnal", I mean never committing their lives to God's Word and then being "born again" in the manner that Jesus spoke about when He talked plainly to Nicodemus in John chapter 3. Folks, it's ONLY through being "born again" that one will EVER be able to properly understand and apply the wonderful riches of God's Word to their lives.

    Notice the words of Jesus to Nicodemus in John 3:3

    3Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

    The point here, being, is that to "see" means to "understand"! How many times have we all tried to explain something to someone by saying,...."Don't you "see"?,......when we are really are saying,....."Don't you "understand"?

    The "carnal mind", which all men have prior to being "born again", will NEVER, EVER be able to "see or understand" the fullness of God's Word to comprehend it "spiritually" and to activate the wonderful benefits that comes along with the "new birth process"!

    I'm also afraid that this "truth" opens up a whole new can of worms for most, in that most people will stop right there and say within themselves,...."Well that doesn't sit well with me at all,.....to not be able to completely comprehend this that you call "truth" with my own "intellect" , FIRST, before I proceed to the next step that you refer to as the "new birth experience"!

    You see, our Lord Jesus, as our Creator, knows everyone of us. It's for this very reason that He sat a little child down before Himself one day and gave one of the hardest, yet most simplest , lessons of all times to His creation.

    Matthew 18:3
    And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

    You say,..."why the hardest"?.....because most people's "intellect" won't allow them to take this step of "faith" and "trust" in something they don't completely comprehend and understand.

    You further ask,...."why the simplest"?......you see to the little child,...."faith" and "trust" come "naturally" to them!!! Oh!,....how much wonderful works God can do in the heart of those who simply "trust" and put "faith" in Him!

    "Intellect" is a wonderful and powerful tool!,......"True and Complete Intellect" finds a way to "team up with God" and powers us through this life and into eternity!!!

    God Bless and enrich all,........kreagle
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