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    Interesting thread. What is the "source" of the hCG hormone?

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    I got my dropsfrom goodvitality in the UK they were 15GBP you will need to call them as they can't actively advertise this product on their website, maybe something to do with how effective HCG is. Even in homeapathic doses...

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    I am bookmarking this thread for further reading when I get time. Thanks!

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    Today is the 8th day of my diet on HCG (homeopathic pellets by bioMedx)-I fell good and have 3 kilos lost. I follow the main rules of the diet but I'm not so strict to it. I have no breakfast (without any feeling of hunger), then an apple, coffee with milk(forbidden!-only one spoon a day) and sugar(forbidden!) or "sweetie gold" (forbidden ! if often used) than lunch (cooked fish or grilled meat or cottage cheese with vegetables, no oil added), dinner-an egg with vegetables. I<ve eaten one slice of bread so far, one piece of chocolate, rice wafers often, apples often, a small cup of soup with lentil and cereal but this was because of trying the taste not that I was hungry.And I drink water and herbal tea a lot.
    The most noticable differences between other diets and HCG diet: I don't feel hungry, I'm emotionally stable (my overweight is a result of emotional eating before all), I don't have headaches or pains, I can walk with my dog for an hour without being tired, I don't shiver though it's cold outside. The only change is I must go to sleep earlier than before.
    I tried many diets, went on fitness (lost 6 kilos but suffered muscle and heart pains)-but HCG diet seems to be the one that doesen't cause any suffering for the body. I will follow it .

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    Quote Posted by Ammit (here)
    Have you guys and gals ever tried juicing?.
    I lost 2.5kilos a week while on it and had a healthier main meal each day.
    Yeh, I am sure you did! Juicing tends to give most people the runs. Most people have a lot of excess bio matter in their digestive tract, and need to get rid of it asap. I have wanted to do juicing a long time and have looked for a double press type that isn't going to break the bank. I have cut way back on how much meat I eat, but I do still enjoy a good steak occasionally.

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    Quote Posted by Connecting with Sauce (here)
    Ok I thought I'd share this little one with you...

    I'm in the middle of a liquid HCG protocol weight loss program I'm doing without any doctors help or advice... please consider I've done 10 liver flushes AND don't drink alcohol or too many bad things for over 2 years but couldn't loose the last 10 kg of weight I wanted to to be lean and trim

    I'd heard Kevin Trudeau talk about this and a couple of others on http://www.oneradionetwork.com/

    And reading this article in NEXUS magazine last month http://whatwomenmustknow.com/pdfs/NexusObesity.pdf

    ...and having an advert next to the article for homeopathic drops for £15 for ~2500 drops made me think I'll give it a go...

    Now I suggest people read and reread the article 2-3 times and then make up their own minds

    I have lost 7.5 kg in 3 weeks without EFFORT, without HEADACHES or CRAVINGS... but I have got rid of most of my cravings with detoxing etc before I did it...

    There is no alcohol or sweets or starch for ~6-7 weeks so if you're addicted to these drinks/foods it may not work... I mean your will power will need to be powerful to reject these visual "draws". Two mouths of ice cream one weekend halted my weight loss for ~1-2 days.

    Hope it helps someone else like it did me...

    John
    Hello, fellow HCG user!!! Me too!!! I initially lost 50 lbs in a 6 months period - or better stated: lost 90 lbs of fat and gained 40 lbs of muscle - because this is a fantastic, transformational weight control system. All this with very little expense - $100.00 for the duration of 6 months. This was 3 years ago, and I took a long break...

    Just recently I went back on it and just completed the protocol: lost 23 lbs in 50 days. My body responded beautiful just as before: Hypthalamus went to work and transformed me into a lean-machine WITHOUT heavy, crazy 6-hour/day exersize!

    Of course, 'they' did/do not want this miracoulous weight control system to be well-know to the masses. What would have/is going to happen to the multi-billion dollar businesses?

    Let's just name a few here:
    The Fitness industry,
    The Diet industry,
    The Pharma industry,
    The Food industry,
    The Alcohol and Drug industry...

    This is why 'they' went ballistic, persecuting, fining and even trying to imprison Kevin Trudeau. In my book he is a HERO. Best wishes to you on your magical transformation!
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    From Dr. Robert Rowen, Second Opinion Newsletter:

    There’s a dark side to all forms of medicine. In conventional
    medicine, a new drug comes out and many
    doctors rush to the “latest and greatest” from Big
    Pharma. But the same can be said for non-orthodox
    physicians, including many people in my own holistic
    field. The example here is the rush to use human
    growth hormone (HGH) as the “fountain of youth.”
    Dozens of my friends went into it. In fact, a large
    and powerful medical organization with holistic and
    orthodox physicians came out of the HGH craze — the
    American Academy of Anti-Aging Medicine. Many of
    A4M’s people went on national radio shows, organized
    huge conventions, and spoke at a multitude of medical
    meetings. They were promoting HGH as a fountain of
    youth.
    The theory went like this. When you were young,
    you had oodles and oodles of HGH. But the levels
    sharply dropped as you aged. When a few studies came
    out demonstrating that injections of HGH increased
    muscle mass, thousands dove in to cash in. HGH treatment
    is/was a highly lucrative market.
    However, I was suspicious. HGH is an active hormone
    that your body tightly regulates. Seems that the
    thousands of doctors quickly forgot the lessons of unbridled
    use of adrenal steroids — other hormones that your
    body tightly regulates. Excessive use of synthetic adrenal
    steroids continues to this day.
    My suspicions have grown through the years, as we
    saw HGH implicated in diabetes and glucose intolerance, swelling in the arms and legs, and carpal tunnel
    syndrome. But one of the most common complaints I’ve
    heard from other doctors’ HGH patients is severe joint
    pain.
    While all of that is horrible, I’d now like to show you
    why I tell my patients to avoid HGH.
    A new study suggests that less HGH, not more, may
    prevent cancer and diabetes as you age!
    Dr. Jaime Guevara-Aguirre of Ecuador joined forces
    with Valter Longo, a University of Southern California
    cell biologist who researches genes. His team was evaluating
    yeast and mice that lacked growth genes. Both
    organisms were about half the normal size. However, the
    yeast lived three times longer than normal. And the mice
    lived 40% longer. Longo’s team found the mutation protected
    cells against DNA damage. This gave him an
    opportunity to see if the same held true for humans.
    The researchers in this study followed an obscure
    South American population with E180 mutation. This
    mutation is one of several that causes Laron syndrome, a
    disorder that stunts growth after birth by about 50%. In
    Laron syndrome, those affected have no receptors for
    HGH. While they make HGH, their bodies don’t respond
    to it. This effectively negates all HGH effects. Well,
    according to the anti-aging pundits, they should all be
    wrinkled and in their graves by say age 60. That’s not
    the case.
    While those with Laron do have some obvious
    effects (very short stature and high infant mortality —
    when your need for HGH is highest), scientists saw an
    unexpected positive side. Virtually none of them got diabetes
    or cancer.
    The group looked at the health histories of 99
    patients over the age of 10. They also pulled death statistics
    of 53 other Ecuadoreans who died before Dr.
    Guevara-Aguirre began his work in the 1980s. Then they
    collected data on more than 1,600 unaffected relatives of
    the Laron patients.
    In the Laron group, there were 30 deaths: eight from
    heart disease, one from stroke, and 21 from non age-related
    causes. These latter deaths included an unusual number
    from convulsive disorders, accidents, or alcohol-related
    disease. Only one person got cancer — and did not die
    from it. Again, out of 99 patients, only one got cancer.
    Even more shocking was the fact that none of the
    Laron patients got diabetes. That’s amazing considering
    21% were obese. In their relatives, diabetes was responsible
    for 5% of deaths.
    The researchers took serum (blood fraction) from
    patients and unaffected relatives. They added this
    serum to human cells. The Laron serum protected DNA
    from breakage that can lead to cancer. Serum from unaffected
    relatives did not. Laron’s serum also promoted
    apoptosis (cell suicide) in damaged cells, which is a good
    thing. The serum from unaffected relatives did not have
    this effect.
    Researchers in the field said that these results are
    about as clear as you can get. Dr. Thomas Perls is a professor
    of medicine and geriatrics at Boston University
    and a critic of the growth hormone industry. He said the
    research provided “yet more dramatic evidence that
    growth hormone does the opposite of what the hucksters
    and the anti-aging industry promote.” He was not
    involved with the study.
    Longo said, “These mice and the Laron patients
    don’t seem to have chronic conditions. They live long
    lives, and then they drop dead.”
    In 2009, Americans spent an estimated $1.35 billion
    on HGH treatments, provided by 431,000 prescriptions.
    I never wrote one prescription for the alleged anti-aging
    efforts. One of my great oxidation therapy mentors died
    of colon cancer not long after a course of HGH to make
    him more “youthful.”
    In my book, God doesn’t make mistakes. Our hormones
    wane as we age. I’d like to be muscular as I age,
    but I don’t want to trade a buffer body for cancer, diabetes,
    or faster aging. There’s a reason why hormones
    wane — they have effects our bodies don’t need as we
    get older. Not only don’t we need those effects, but they
    could harm us. I believe this is the case not only for
    HGH, but all hormones.
    In last month’s issue, I showed you an alternative
    to using bio-identical sex hormones. In that issue, I said
    I have concerns about using any hormone therapy. Just
    as this research strongly suggests a huge dark side to
    exogenously administered HGH, we don’t know the longterm
    effects of exogenously administered sex hormones.
    And, thousands are jumping on this bandwagon as well.
    I was taught, “Above all, do no harm.” I stand by
    that. Knowing that your body has self-regulating mechanisms
    that protect it, and that giving exogenous active
    hormones can defeat these mechanisms, my long-term
    practice has been to do all in my power to optimize your
    body’s own production of hormones. There are clearly
    times when a patient’s body fails to make enough natural
    hormones. We see this quite often with the thyroid
    and adrenal hormones. It happens with gonadal hormones
    as well. But sex hormones naturally wane with
    age. Do we really want them at age 35 levels? I don’t!
    Yet that’s the level of HGH the HGH pundits push for.
    And there can be lots of problems as a result.
    I say stay away from HGH injections. I don’t want
    to have “chronic conditions.” But I do want to “live a long
    life, and then drop dead,” in the words of Dr. Longo. I
    suggest you aim for the same result. Build up your muscle
    mass by natural processes, like eating a great diet
    and regular healthy exercise. That will keep you far
    younger, and even in better physical shape, than ageaccelerating
    HGH therapy.
    Ref: Science Translational Medicine, February 16, 2011.

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    HGH is different to HCG... Great info though

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    Quote Posted by Connecting with Sauce (here)
    HGH is different to HCG... Great info though
    Oops, my bad. Sorry.

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    Quote Posted by motherlove (here)
    Interesting thread. What is the "source" of the hCG hormone?
    It is made from the urine of pregnant women and goodvitality present it in homeopathic form.

    You can order it online by going to their site and doing a search using code 8010. Takes you straight to the page.
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    Thanks for that post CWS. It makes very interesting reading. I shall certainly investigate for myself.

    These are my thoughts, for what they are worth: weight gain & loss seems to be a peronal thing, meaning that there are many different body types/metabolisms, lifestyle habits, genetic pre-dispositions, etc.

    There are numerous diets on the market (a lot making the manufaturers very rich). Some work for some people, on a temporary basis, then most people seem to regain the weight lost.

    Age certainly plays a part, as metabolism slows down as we age.

    Fittness is a relative matter.
    For myself: Very Fit when younger (I had a 12 pack, let alone a 6 pack..lol!)

    I have been involved as an alternative health practitioner for several years, so I try to eat healthily.

    One 'expert' suggetsed several years ago that the secret to keeping slim was: "NEVER eat after 6pm"
    Perhaps he has a valid point?

    I was diagnosed with very low thyroid about 5 years ago.
    I Have gained over 2.5 stones in past 5-6 years.
    Nothing seems to shift it.
    I was about 3/4 stone overweight about 6 years ago....BUT, that did not stop me beating a Russian girlfriend (who was 22 years younger than me, and, .. she ran 5 KM every day) up a 1/3 steep 100 metres cliff slope... And she had started off running, laughing and saying "I race you"

    I have recently taken advice from a very intuative nutritionalist who tells me: My weight gain is prolonged stress, which has affected my immune system, and therefore also my glandular system."

    Lets face it, we live in a very stressful society, so its difficult to avoid stress.
    Ones individual coping mechanisms, and sensitivities must surely play a part.
    Having read a lot of the posts on this forum, most of the people here seem to be of a sensitive nature, and so perhaps more suceptible to stress.

    One more thought, it seems to me that the pre war generations were a lot slimmer and fitter then those alive today.
    No: processed food (or very little); few had the 'luxury of a car' (so had to walk everywhere); pace of life was slower; people by & large had more time for each other; people exercised more; there were no computers (and few TV's either!) to keep people indoors; there were less chemicals in the air & in our homes; there was far less polution-from vehicles, planes etc.

    That all said, I will certainly look into that 'HCG' protocol suggetsted by CWS, and will, if I take it up, report back with my findings.

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    Quote Posted by Connecting with Sauce (here)
    A quick update 11kg lost as of this morning and approximately 7% body fat... (one of those BMI scales)... Another friend is at 7kg weight lost.
    An update now a month on from stopping the drops... I stopped the drops the weekend of the Avebury camping. My weight has stayed off (like blackatiam) and I have stayed at 77-78kg for over the last Month, despite eating normally again.

    I also know 2 people who have done similar with similar results AND 2 more starting this weekend based on my results. Will keep you posted on how these people progress.
    Please post a link for these drops. I would like to look at the product.

    Never mind - got it
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    Interesting point Modwiz, re gaining weight in the winter season, and losing it gain in the summer.

    I have gained over 2 stones in past 6 years. It came on suddenly about 6-5 years ago.

    Although diagnosed with an underactive thyroid, my 'tounge in cheek saying'- to close friends and family-re my weight gain is: "Well, you never see a skinny grisily bear going into hibertantion."

    My point being that, perhaps this weight gain is my 'subconsious telling me that I will need it in these end times-to survive'?!...lol
    .....so, that being the case, I should lose it again by 2013?!...lol

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    I have been using a product that Kevin Trudeau also used to lose weight. I started it a year ago and it really works for weight loss and metabolic corrections, too. It is called EleotinMB and I found out about it on Kevin's Natural Cures.com site last year under the diabetes info page. I found a link from another person that recomends it too.
    http://www.alternativehealthremedies...ood-to-be-true

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    here's a lil secret.. eat in moderation (little amounts) over the course of the whole day instead of eating great proportions 3 times a day
    also no big proportions during the whole day or once a day, just little amounts of food (whatever food, doesnt matter if its sugar, fat ..)

    greetz

    I had to add..
    Ancient pplz (not advanced in technology) go about their day collecting food wherever they could find it and eat it on the spot instead of saving it for later to have a larger amount... and i don't think there were alot if any big/fat.. whatever u call people..
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    It has been my experience working with overweight people that none of these people has ever been overweight simply because they eat too much. Normally, there is some psychological reason which causes people to overeat. A classic example is a person who suffers or has suffered abuse and therefore subconsciously overeats in order to make themselves less appealing to other potential abusers — the subconscious is powerful but reasons in a childish (and nearly always erroneous) manner. If the underlying problem can be dealt with, most people go on to lose the excess weight without even trying — it's just no longer an issue in their lives. In a fight with the conscious mind and the subconscious mind, the conscious mind will always lose, the question is only how long it takes. Willpower, then, is a drive and ability to resist the compulsions of the subconscious, but it is a finite resource and will eventually falter.

    I can't, of course, make assumptions on individual cases without knowing the facts, but I would say these things:
    1. If you see losing weight as a battle between your willpower and subconscious urges, it is only a matter of time before you 'slip up', and that will be your willpower saying "enough, I need a break" It can, after that break, pick up the gauntlet again and help you lose the weight that way, but two points: a person can only slip up so many times before their morale breaks and they become disinclined to reassert their willpower; and losing weight in this way, while effective, is a constant battle and you more than likely deserve better than a state of perpetual warfare with your own body and, moreover, the battle will not have ended even after you have achieved your ideal weight because the problem your willpower is combating is not your weight but the problems that cause it and they persist even after the weight is gone. Consequently, any life problem which saps morale in a future time will create the perfect weakness in your defences to allow the over-eating urges to reassert themselves. People are often said to have "battled with [their] weight all [their] life" and this is the reason — a gambling addict can clear his debts, but without dealing with the addiction he will sooner or later find himself in debt again.
    2. Your body is a machine and a very efficient machine at that; if subconscious interference is removed, your body will work itself naturally into a state of equilibrium — this includes your weight; your body knows what is healthy and what is not, and when left to do its job it will do it well. Therefore, solve subconscious problems if the subconscious interferes with the body's mechanisms (this is nearly always the case). As I said, your body is a well-oiled machine; it doesn't need tricks to work properly :-)

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    Normally, there is some psychological reason which causes people to overeat.
    I'll wager that normally it is poor quality food, such as too much high fructose corn syrup and many other such gastronomic abominations.
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    Quote Posted by Paul (here)
    Quote Posted by Seikou-Kishi (here)
    Normally, there is some psychological reason which causes people to overeat.
    I'll wager that normally it is poor quality food, such as too much high fructose corn syrup and many other such gastronomic abominations.
    I've worked as a hypnotherapist with many overweight people and their problems melt like snowballs on a barbecue when their psychological problems are solved. It is no more difficult than, having found the problem, showing them the illogical nature of the problem (being abused as a result of being too appealing and trying to appear less appealing, to continue the earlier example) and telling them that they won't follow that line of thought any more and they'll be happier for it.

    And that's it, really. There must be some truth to it that high-sugar foods are contributing factors, but a psychological problem which actually wants to hold weight can interfere with a metabolism which otherwise would be able to deal with such insanely high peaks of energy.

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    this audio interview on Patrick Timpone's talk radio discusses HCG and how it works with the brain.
    Look for the discussion at about 37 on the time counter


    http://www.oneradionetwork.com/healt...ember-26-2011/

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