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    Default Snakes in Suits: Weeding out corporate Psychopaths

    Harvard is full of them.

    The military is infested with them.

    Corporations are their biggest nest.

    Then the elitist families.

    Politics, thoroughly infested with them...has brought this planet to the brink of disaster...due to their cranial wiring disorders.

    Religion..... is little better.

    Recognize the source of the issue. This is important, as important as it gets.

    Please, don't talk to me about 'the good ones'. Such discussion is irrelevant and distracting in the face of this issue and it's scope.

    Recognize the depth of the issue, and Get On With It.

    See the book: Snakes in suits

    There is a recent article, as this incredibly fundamental issue is finally being brought to attention as the important and fundamental issue that it is. fixing a problem, means defining the problem FIRST. You have to recognize the source, depth and breadth of a given issue then target the core component. otherwise it simply happens again.

    This is the core component. Identify--target.

    Genetic damage run rampant.

    If you want to fix the galactic thing, the underground base thing, the CIA thing, the fascist thing, the religious thing, the Harvard corporate graduate thug thing, the politics thing, the elitist thing, the reptilian thing, and any other issue you may feel is on the table, this is the core of it that must be addressed and excised.

    Otherwise you'll just be back at the same point again. Simply as you have not addressed the core issue itself.

    From the Toronto Star website.

    The article:


    Given the state of the global economy, it might not surprise you to learn that psychopaths may be controlling the world. Not violent criminals, but corporate psychopaths who nonetheless have a genetically inherited biochemical condition that prevents them from feeling normal human empathy.

    Scientific research is revealing that 21st century financial institutions with a high rate of turnover and expanding global power have become highly attractive to psychopathic individuals to enrich themselves at the expense of others, and the companies they work for.

    A peer-reviewed theoretical paper titled “The Corporate Psychopaths Theory of the Global Financial Crisis” details how highly placed psychopaths in the banking sector may have nearly brought down the world economy through their own inherent inability to care about the consequences of their actions.

    The author of this paper, Clive Boddy, previously of Nottingham Trent University, believes this theory would go a long way to explain how senior managers acted in ways that were disastrous for the institutions they worked for, the investors they represented and the global economy at large.

    If true, this also means the astronomically expensive public bailouts will not solve the problem since many of the morally impaired individuals who caused this mess likely remain in positions of power. Worse, they may be the same people advising governments on how to resolve this crisis.

    To tackle this problem, we must instead examine this rare and curious condition, and why recent corporate history may have elevated precisely the wrong type of people to positions of great power and public trust.

    Unfeeling, but not insane

    Psychopathy should not be confused with insanity. It is best described by Robert Hare, global expert and psychologist, as “emotional deafness” — a biochemical inability to experience normal feelings of empathy for others.

    This shark-like fixation on self-interest means that psychopaths often feel a clear detachment from other people, viewing them more as sheep to be preyed upon than fellow humans to relate to. For instance, psychopaths in prison often use group therapy sessions not as a healing process, but as an opportunity to learn how to simulate normal human emotions.

    Studies on twins have revealed that psychopathy shows a strong genetic signature and there remains no effective treatment. Recent research has linked the condition to physical abnormalities in the amygdala region of the brain.

    Only a small subset of psychopaths become the violent criminals so often fictionalized in film. Most simply seek to blend in and conceal their difference in order to more effectively manipulate others. This frightening condition has existed throughout human history, though likely in a marginal and socially parasitic way.

    While psychopaths are often portrayed by Hollywood as brilliantly clever, a hypothetical race of Hannibal Lecters would likely perish since they lack the ability to trust each other. Put another way, the human race — a relatively weak, slow, hairless tropical primate — has succeeded so spectacularly in every ecosystem on the planet not because we are so bad, but because we are so good.

    Most dangerous 1 per cent

    The human ability to build social capital means that people can cooperate and trust each other. We can reliably predict the behaviour of others even if we have never met them. Social capital is the glue that holds together our communities, complex societies, large institutions and the economy. The one and only superpower possessed by psychopaths is their ruthless ability to spend the social capital created by others.


    Scientists believe about 1 per cent of the general population is psychopathic, meaning there are more than three million moral monsters among normal United States citizens. There is emerging evidence that this frequency increases within the upper management of modern corporations. This is not surprising since personal ruthlessness and fixation on personal power have become seen as strong assets to large publicly traded corporations (which some authors believe have also become psychopathic).

    However, appearance and performance are two different things. While psychopaths are often outwardly charming and excellent self-promoters, they are also typically terrible managers, bullying co-workers and creating chaos to conceal their behaviour.

    When employed in senior levels, their pathology also means they are biochemically incapable of something they are legally required to do: act in good faith on behalf of other people. The banking and corporate sector is built on the ancient principle of fiduciary duty — a legal obligation to act in the best interest of those whose money or property you are entrusted with. Asking a psychopath to do that is like recruiting a pyromaniac to be a firefighter.

    The folly of mixing psychopathy and senior corporate management has been borne out by recent history. At the end of the last decade, numerous banking institutions representing hundreds of years of corporate financial stability ceased to exist within a few short months due to the reckless acts of a few individuals — none of whom has ever been charged with a crime.

    And therein lies the rub. As ruthless as psychopaths are, their pathology dictates that they will ultimately act to the detriment of the organizations and investors they are paid so well to represent.

    Fertile for psychopaths: New corporate culture

    If this theory is correct, how did this become such a crisis in recent decades? Boddy suggests that corporations have changed from relatively stable institutions where psychopaths would have a difficult time concealing themselves, to highly fluid organizations where it is much easier for them to disappear within the chaos in their wake.

    “(The) whole corporate and employment environment changed from one that would hold the Corporate Psychopath in check to one where they could flourish and advance relatively unopposed,” Boddy writes. “As evidence of this, senior level remuneration and reward started to increase more and more rapidly and beyond all proportion to shop floor incomes and a culture of greed unfettered by conscience developed. Corporate Psychopaths are ideally situated to prey on such an environment and corporate fraud, financial misrepresentation, greed and misbehaviour went through the roof, bringing down huge companies and culminating in the Global Financial Crisis that we are now in.”

    Boddy is not hopeful that the current round of expensive public bailouts will solve the problem. If psychopaths have in fact installed themselves in the upper reaches of the world’s financial institutions, their genetic deficiency dictates that their greed knows no bounds. They will continue to act in anti-social, remorseless ways, amplified by their enormous corporate influence until the institutions they represent and perhaps the entire global economy collapses. Obviously, more academic research in this area is urgently needed.

    Boddy concludes his recent paper with this grim prediction:

    “Writing in 2005, this author . . . predicted that the rise of Corporate Psychopaths was a recipe for corporate and societal disaster. This disaster has now happened and is still happening. Across the western world, the symptoms of the financial crisis are now being treated. However, this treatment of the symptoms will have little effect because the root cause is not being addressed. The very same Corporate Psychopaths, who probably caused the crisis by their self-seeking greed and avarice, are now advising governments on how to get out of the crisis. That this involves paying themselves vast bonuses in the midst of financial hardship for many millions of others is symptomatic of the problem. Further, if (this theory is correct) then we are now far from the end of the crisis. Indeed, it is only the end of the beginning. Perhaps more than ever before, the world needs corporate leaders with a conscience . . . Measures exist to identify Corporate Psychopaths. Perhaps it is time to use them.”

    Time has come for testing

    Boddy’s last statement contains a kernel of hope. If our world has become chaotic due to institutionalized psychopathy, imagine how much better it could be if such dangerously impaired individuals were excluded from positions of power and influence.

    Precedence exists for dealing with such situations. Randomized workplace drug testing became the norm in the 1980s. At the time, civil libertarians strongly objected on the basis that it violated personal privacy protections. However, the U.S. Supreme Court decided in 1989 that such testing was constitutional and now about 25 per cent of Fortune 500 companies routinely require their employees to submit to such tests.

    Perhaps investors at major financial institutions should require that senior level managers submit to established tests to ensure they are not psychopathic. This is not an issue of civil liberties since the precedent has already been well established regarding drug impairment in the workplace. Likewise, it is not a regulatory issue since private shareholders have every right to demand that executives demonstrate they are not biochemically impaired and therefore unable to carry out their fiduciary duties on behalf of investors. If corporate boards are hiring psychopaths as executive management, they are not carrying out their due diligence and could be held legally liable for their oversight.

    Companies should also consider providing employees with specific whistleblower provisions to expose potential psychopaths in the workplace. A 2010 study by Boddy showed that corporate psychopaths caused more than one quarter of all workplace bullying, though they accounted for only one per cent of the workforce.

    Besides being traumatic and humiliating to other workers, this bullying is also very expensive. Boddy calculated that bullying by corporate psychopaths cost companies in the U.K. more than £3.5 billion per year in lost productivity and attrition. Extrapolating these results to the United States, these deviant individuals are responsible for more than $35 billion in direct annual losses to U.S. businesses.

    Politicians, too?

    And what about elected officials? There is no higher standard of trust in our society than standing for public office. Campaigning politicians are expected to submit to almost absurd levels of scrutiny about their private lives, character and personal relationships. Should not candidates begin providing voters proof that they are medically capable of acting in the interests of the public that may elect them?

    The Occupy Wall Street protesters demanding an end to the reign of the “1 per cent” may have unwittingly stumbled on the crux of the issue. Science tells us that 99 per cent of humans have normal emotional function. One per cent are psychopaths. We ignore that truth at our peril.

    Mitchell Anderson is a Vancouver-based journalist.
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    Default Re: Snakes in Suits: Weeding out corporate Psychopaths

    This thread is an excellent idea Carmody. It is time to stir the pot, not to mention scheisse or get off of it. Your posts have been leading to a congealing point. This thread is bringing that point closer, creating a sharper focus on the problem. IMO. There can be no solution without this step.

    It is a shame that snakes have to be the symbol for these parasites. I like snakes. I understand our culture and language though and see the 'logic' of the author.
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    Quote Posted by modwiz (here)
    This thread is an excellent idea Carmody. It is time to stir the pot, not to mention scheisse or get off of it. Your posts have been leading to a congealing point. This thread is bringing that point closer, creating a sharper focus on the problem. IMO. There can be no solution without this step.

    It is a shame that snakes have to be the symbol for these parasites. I like snakes. I understand our culture and language though and see the 'logic' of the author.
    Thank you.

    Every single thread on this forum, the very reason this forum exists, the very reason that all alternative media exists, the very reason we have a complex human history.........some part of it, from from wholly or largely ...to incidentally/tangentially, causally, etc...runs through this single point. All of them. there are no exceptions --that I can understand.


    That is how 'core' it is to any solution.
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    Quote Posted by Carmody (here)
    Quote Posted by modwiz (here)
    This thread is an excellent idea Carmody. It is time to stir the pot, not to mention scheisse or get off of it. Your posts have been leading to a congealing point. This thread is bringing that point closer, creating a sharper focus on the problem. IMO. There can be no solution without this step.

    It is a shame that snakes have to be the symbol for these parasites. I like snakes. I understand our culture and language though and see the 'logic' of the author.
    Thank you.

    Every single thread on this forum, the very reason this forum exists, the very reason that all alternative media exists, the very reason we have a complex human history.........some part of it, from from wholly or largely ...to incidentally/tangentially, causally, etc...runs through this single point. All of them. there are no exceptions --that I can understand.


    That is how 'core' it is to any solution.
    The importance of this cannot be overstated, nor can the truth of your statement about this single point. I believe this thread will prove a 'pivot'. I will do what I can to create that with you as will others here who "get it".

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    I am so glad this is brought to light in Avalon as well, once again. Thanks Carmody.

    But... I am surprised and extremely glad it is brought to light in "official" research and in a main Canadian newspaper. Who knows, maybe some psychopaths owned American and European newspapers will pick it up as well. It has to start somewhere.

    No later than this week end I was talking to a friend, CEO, of her comments that business has no emotions whatsoever, none like not al all, that is it purely cold. I was telling her that I understood, I had seen it in hundred of corporations, that money was thought of this way, and that it was always making me utterly unconfortable. I added up that it may be THE reason I am not rich yet. I cannot come to terms with dealing with psychopaths.

    I see some concommitant problems:

    1. detecting psychopaths and not allowing them any kind of power positiions, be at home or at work or in society
    2. changing the "reward" system in the society as to avoid any future tendencies for psychopaths to become powerful
    3. therefore changing the monetary system and its incentives
    4. making research as to how to change the psychopatic brain in the future for an increase into empathy
    5. convincing the sheeples that we have to solve this problem once and for all by making positive discrimination (as we are doing for women in the workplace for example) and all this convincing work without access to resources such as newspapers and television, all owned by the same psychopaths.

    By the same token, maybe those with lots of empathy and compassion while having a leveled humour could be the ones elected at the top of corporations and in government.

    I have few hopes that we will not go through hell before this happens.
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    Quote Posted by Flash (here)
    I am so glad this is brought to light in Avalon as well, once again. Thanks Carmody.

    But... I am surprised and extremely glad it is brought to light in "official" researchs and in a main Canadian newspaper. Who knows, maybe some psychopaths owned American and European newspapers will pick it up as well. It has to start somewhere.

    No later than this week end I was talking to a friend, CEO, of her comments that business has no emotions whatsoever, none like not al all, involved, that is it purely cold. I was telling her that I understood, I had seen it in hundreds of corporations, that money was thought of this way, and that it was always making me utterly uncomfortable. I added up that it may be THE reason I am not rich yet. I cannot come to terms with dealing with psychopaths.

    I see two concommitant problems:

    1. detecting psychopaths and not allowing them any kind of power, be at home or at work
    2. changing the "reward" system in the society as to avoid any future tendencies for psychopaths to become powerful
    3. therefore changing the monetary system and its incentives
    4. making research as to how to change the psychopatic brain in the future for an increase into empathy
    5. convincing the sheeples that we have to solve this problem once and for all by making positive discrimination (as we are doing for women in the workplace for example) and all this without access to resources such as newspapers and television, all owned by the same psychopaths.

    By the same token, maybe those with lots of empathy and compassion while having a leveled humour could be the ones elected at the top of corporations and in government.

    I have few hopes that we will not go through hell before this happens.
    That is due to those without empathy seeing their lack of control ----as hell itself.


    Stage one:

    Designing a detection system and methodology - that cannot be corrupted. In it's design or implementation. This is your first 'catch 22' that will be attacked with utmost force and also subtlety. The attempts at manipulation, misdirection, and interference of this stage - will be extreme.
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    Default Re: Snakes in Suits: Weeding out corporate Psychopaths

    So what could be step 1.a?

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    Default Re: Snakes in Suits: Weeding out corporate Psychopaths

    Aren't psychopaths like porn? You know them when you see them........in action. I would think they are quite obvious neurolinguistically, especially when the guard drops. Every armor/guard is fallible and usually very easily seen by an observer. Participants can be 'magicianed'.

    I think it is the acceptance and acknowledgement that there is a problem, a psychopath in the pathological sense, that is the real hurdle. The test is not the hard part, IMO.

    There are families of these critters. Some of them in very privileged positions, and some in our own families. This is a matter of consciousness and awakening. There will be no reality TV show, "Identify The Psychopath". This is pull your head out of your a$$ time.

    Perhaps the drama of the subject will catch on and become a popular meme. It has to become a meme.
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    I believe the psychological testing has in many cases been done and many reports will already be on file that show VP X was noted to have extreme tendencies etc etc. Business began testing all senior hires 20 years ago at least. I have seen one such report myself. It was in 1990 and the individual in question was clearly unbalanced to a dangerous degree, and knew it himself, yet was offered a 6 figure job. He didn't last long but still works in the industry and makes good money.

    So the info might already be on file. But how do you get corporations to care?

    Same holds for the police who ar discussed in another thread for hiring based on preference for some strange psychological profiles.

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    Default Re: Snakes in Suits: Weeding out corporate Psychopaths

    They are very bright Modwiz and not that easily discernible when profit is at hand. They know when to withdraw and wait, when to charm, when to look innocent, when and how to manipulate and have no consciousness about it, not guilt, no nothing.

    Normal human being cannot come to term with the fact that such being exist and that they may be their bosses. Denial is rampant amongst employees, because it is too hard to swallow. Furthermore, we are group animals that need the environment and others to sustain ourselves and to survive, therefore we bend to autority and cannot admit it is there to harm us. I have seen many people forgiving and saying psychopaths can change, even when they don't. This is the syndrome of the beaten woman: "but I looooove him! He is a changed man".

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    Default Re: Snakes in Suits: Weeding out corporate Psychopaths

    Quote Posted by TWINCANS (here)
    I believe the psychological testing has in many cases been done and many reports will already be on file that show VP X was noted to have extreme tendencies etc etc. Business began testing all senior hires 20 years ago at least. I have seen one such report myself. It was in 1990 and the individual in question was clearly unbalanced to a dangerous degree, and knew it himself, yet was offered a 6 figure job. He didn't last long but still works in the industry and makes good money.

    So the info might already be on file. But how do you get corporations to care?

    Same holds for the police who ar discussed in another thread for hiring based on preference for some strange psychological profiles.
    This is the return to stage one, step one.

    they do not fear the stick, but it stalls them.

    the trick is to design the proper stick.

    An indefatigable and uncorruptible as possible 'stick' ---that self checks at each stage. Openly.

    The problem is one of interjection into a prexisting flow..injecting a methodology of beginning to stop or slow the flow of the issue at hand.

    If you fail to go for a fundamental testing regimen and protocol at the HIGHEST levels of power and control, first,well..you will not be effective.

    You must undo the core engine...first.

    So yes, I stand corrected, regarding stages. first recognition of the issue. But I feel that most already know it. It needs to be brought to their attention, brought to the forefront as an established reality of being the fundamental.

    The first story is the one the public finds to be true, many times...as it has the longest history and depth. 'Wag the dog' is an excellent film that covers this sort of aspect.

    Thus the initial discussion as if awareness -is already achieved.

    These points are logic based on the human edifice, and it's particular ways, and how this issue would be best introduced to the overall human stage or play.
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    Default Re: Snakes in Suits: Weeding out corporate Psychopaths

    I am not sure the points of discussion related to awareness are already achieved Carmody. Here is what I posted in another thread, related to psychopathy, and a development of the idea below

    Quote This is precisely what I am talking about. Lots of people love them and will defend them, saying they are personnaly unscratched. That is precisely how they maintain power, by sparing some while being heavy handed on others where it brings the most.

    Manipulation was palpable from the start. I am sorry you still do not see it guys, but you do prove my point.

    By the way LS, those are not opinions of mine. I could retake the posts and list one after the other the different tactics used by manipulators and correlate it with Charles' posts. And yet, you would probably say these are opinions.

    How do you want to save the planet if manipulators go not only undetected, but protected by the mass.

    This is not a judgment or reproach, this is just to show how difficult it is to handle cunning and to change ones views. When people are damaged, hurt, killed, you are dealing with at the minimum someone really screwed up, and most probalby with psychopathy. It is that simple. Yet, that difficult to admit.

    And this, even if personnally you were not scratched a bit. Yet you have seen it on others....
    Even if awareness is there (which I think it is not yet by the main public, just a start of an eye opening), you still have denials, even if the ever present damages are right there, being screamed by others, yet denied (re: Auswitch and Pol Pot and Albugraith and...).

    It becomes opinions, ways of seeing thing, divergences, or plainly "not my problem, I hide my head in the sand". I have seen it countless of times in corporations and I have seen people, environment, companies completely destroyed by the psychopaths and by the employees hiding heads. But it is not my problem mentality prevailed and all the excuses that goes with it.

    I will add up another problem to my previous post, and it is this one:

    6. taking one's own responsibilities for what is happening around oneself, not only to oneself. Until we reach that step of thinking for the well being of all and acting in consequence, psychopaths will have the game to themselves. Responsibility is one of the main key to unlock the problem.

    Some sage told me that real great beings, real Masters, are naturally thinking and behaving for others, this is a natural state in them. Why? Because they lived the All One that we are and they know that doing good for others first, being of service to others is as well being of service to oneself.

    Responsibility for this way of living is, imho, a prerequesite for getting rid of psychopaths who are actually leading the whole planet. Our mistake: taking responsibility for the situation
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    I would agree that the first stage would be recognizing their alluring predatory waltz of death
    The "brighter" the snake, the easier it is for them to see potential dance partners.
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    And you might find that history books in 2030 and what not, might say that: "the turnaround that began in 2012, was cemented into being with the introduction of the first socially oriented 'universal' psychopath exclusion laws in 2015".

    tis' a dream I have.

    It also bears saying that this is a slippery slope, for their interjection and twisting -is inevitable.

    What we are talking about is very much about turning the heat up so it is simply impossible to live or be in this framework of existence. The virus dies.
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    Quote Posted by Carmody (here)

    It also bears saying that this is a slippery slope, for their interjection and twisting -is inevitable.
    Yes, and our humanness a hindrance.
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    Quote Posted by Flash (here)
    I am not sure the points of discussion related to awareness are already achieved Carmody. Here is what I posted in another thread, related to psychopathy, and a development of the idea below

    Quote This is precisely what I am talking about. Lots of people love them and will defend them, saying they are personnaly unscratched. That is precisely how they maintain power, by sparing some while being heavy handed on others where it brings the most.

    Manipulation was palpable from the start. I am sorry you still do not see it guys, but you do prove my point.

    By the way LS, those are not opinions of mine. I could retake the posts and list one after the other the different tactics used by manipulators and correlate it with Charles' posts. And yet, you would probably say these are opinions.

    How do you want to save the planet if manipulators go not only undetected, but protected by the mass.

    This is not a judgment or reproach, this is just to show how difficult it is to handle cunning and to change ones views. When people are damaged, hurt, killed, you are dealing with at the minimum someone really screwed up, and most probalby with psychopathy. It is that simple. Yet, that difficult to admit.

    And this, even if personnally you were not scratched a bit. Yet you have seen it on others....
    Even if awareness is there (which I think it is not yet by the main public, just a start of an eye opening), you still have denials, even if the ever present damages are right there, being screamed by others, yet denied (re: Auswitch and Pol Pot and Albugraith and...).

    It becomes opinions, ways of seeing thing, divergences, or plainly "not my problem, I hide my head in the sand". I have seen it countless of times in corporations and I have seen people, environment, companies completely destroyed by the psychopaths and by the employees hiding heads. But it is not my problem mentality prevailed and all the excuses that goes with it.

    I will add up another problem to my previous post, and it is this one:

    6. taking one's own responsibilities for what is happening around oneself, not only to oneself. Until we reach that step of thinking for the well being of all and acting in consequence, psychopaths will have the game to themselves. Responsibility is one of the main key to unlock the problem.

    Some sage told me that real great beings, real Masters, are naturally thinking and behaving for others, this is a natural state in them. Why? Because they lived the All One that we are and they know that doing good for others first, being of service to others is as well being of service to oneself.

    Responsibility for this way of living is, imho, a prerequesite for getting rid of psychopaths who are actually leading the whole planet. Our mistake: taking responsibility for the situation
    I help people fix themselves, sometimes... by acting in their presence as if the issue at hand which they cannot seem to see,is an established point and that I am past that and on the next stage. I do not respond to their incredulity or their lack of understanding. they are confused by the lack of the stage of thrust and parry, in argument, which is their social norm. Take it past that social norm.

    The act of running from a fire which they cannot see, thus they run along with you, until they know what is going on. Which, depending on the situation, their personal understanding of the core point -may never occur. This is tied to the human childhood methodology of learning unknowns through acting them out and fitting in.....

    Herding tactics can work both ways. good and bad.

    Edward Bernays psychosocial interjection class, 101.
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    Great Thread Carmody,

    There is truly a way to detect a psychopath IMO and experience and it is through what I call heart energy. I have taught experiential groups in the correctional system for many years of which a number of psychopaths crossed my path

    It takes time to build trust and care in a group ( approx 4 weeks) but after this is established then the deeper truths and pain arise and in this sharing and disclosure one's heart is open or opening and all are quite vulnerable and take care to keep the environment safe for themselves and others. Those with no heart at all are easily detected as the heart radar is wide open and people are consciously or unconsciously very turned to spoken/seen or unspoken/unseen danger.

    At this point communications are shared from both the thought and heart centers and is very real and no psychopath can pass this sensing and feeling test no matter how hard they try..............the genuine person can actually be experienced emotionally so to speak and when this sensation of emotion is not there at this level you are dealing with a psychopath. ( they can cry real tears and appear emotional) but one who is in their heart knows when it is not registering, as genuine automatic compassion is not being activated. A psychopath can and will manipulate and con all who they come in contact with and even if you are a person who has a clear, clean, connection to your heart and trust emotions more than your thoughts or ego and confront them individually they will persist. They cannot understand and see you as a challenge to be overcome and will continue to bait, entice, harrass, bully etc, thus unmitigated detachment is the only answer to these individuals.

    I agree they must be weeded out starting with the Board of Directors and CEO`s and uppermanagement of all mega corporations. Good Luck finding people with the skills to hold intense group sessions with psychopaths as there would have to be as more coaches as students in order to weed these f**ks out. Believe it or not a group of inmates are very adept at weeding out these sicko`s once they get past their pain and into their hearts
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    Quote Posted by Carmody (here)

    I help people fix themselves, sometimes... by acting in their presence as if the issue at hand which they cannot seem to see,is an established point and that I am past that and on the next stage. I do not respond to their incredulity or their lack of understanding. they are confused by the lack of the stage of thrust and parry, in argument, which is their social norm. Take it past that social norm.

    The act of running from a fire which they cannot see, thus they run along with you, until they know what is going on. Which, depending on the situation, their personal understanding of the core point -may never occur. This is tied to the human childhood methodology of learning unknowns through acting them out and fitting in.....

    Herding tactics can work both ways. good and bad.

    Edward Bernays psychosocial interjection class, 101.
    That is good stuff. Very good stuff. Even brilliant.

    Apologies for smoke in your colon.
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    Then how do we teach heart opening to the mass and in corporations? How do we teach the creation of safe environments in corporations?

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