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    Quote Carmody;366201
    I help people fix themselves, sometimes... by acting in their presence as if the issue at hand which they cannot seem to see,is an established point and that I am past that and on the next stage. I do not respond to their incredulity or their lack of understanding. they are confused by the lack of the stage of thrust and parry, in argument, which is their social norm. Take it past that social norm.

    The act of running from a fire which they cannot see, thus they run along with you, until they know what is going on. Which, depending on the situation, their personal understanding of the core point -may never occur. This is tied to the human childhood methodology of learning unknowns through acting them out and fitting in.....

    Herding tactics can work both ways. good and bad.

    Edward Bernays psychosocial interjection class, 101.
    Really good post. Related to responsibilites as well, taken on a personal intimate basis, without having others to know about it.

    Therefore, we need tons of Carmody's clones to go into corporations, and politics, and do the same - those aware do have to take these kind of responsibilities, don't they?

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    I help people fix themselves, sometimes... by acting in their presence as if the issue at hand which they cannot seem to see,is an established point and that I am past that and on the next stage. I do not respond to their incredulity or their lack of understanding. they are confused by the lack of the stage of thrust and parry, in argument, which is their social norm. Take it past that social norm.

    The act of running from a fire which they cannot see, thus they run along with you, until they know what is going on. Which, depending on the situation, their personal understanding of the core point -may never occur. This is tied to the human childhood methodology of learning unknowns through acting them out and fitting in.....

    Herding tactics can work both ways. good and bad.

    Edward Bernays psychosocial interjection class, 101.
    That is good stuff. Very good stuff. Even brilliant.

    Apologies for smoke in your colon.
    This may also work for the reason that is is intensely karmic. What you put out ---you get to eat.

    Note to sociopath: welcome to where you come from.
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    Then how do we teach heart opening to the mass and in corporations? How do we teach the creation of safe environments in corporations?
    As Carmody's OP points out there are psychopaths .... um ... just about everywhere.

    If we are zeroing in on the corporation variety we need to remember that in this current state of "reality" corporations, as entities by definition, have as their specific and sole purpose to make money for their "shareholders" (ie read cover for the elite).

    Thus in this specific circumstance not only the psychopath need be addressed but the very nature of corporations as entities themselves. Seperate issue.

    Great topic and thread Carmody.

    I even resisted the temptation to jump in and run with modwiz smokin' comment

    There is some great material and previous threads regarding psychopaths but coming to grips on how, exactly, to deal with them is somewhat uncharted territory.

    Interesting to see where this goes.

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    Then how do we teach heart opening to the mass and in corporations? How do we teach the creation of safe environments in corporations?
    town council provisions for hiring and elections, same for cities, then, provinces/states....then up to federal.

    It always starts at the grass roots level.

    There will be stumbling, at first, and you will see the hidden hand move into even the local town situations and attempts. This is a given. I've seen it before, as have many others. This is due to them being there, at that level. They will try themselves... and possibly bring in 'hired guns' to try and prevent the precedent from getting onto the books.

    The precedent becomes the perpetuation and the shaping of the given law itself, in a land of rule of law and contract law.

    it really does not, to some degree..matter if the initial attempts are effective -or not.

    Awareness must rise and that is where it will take place, on the local level. The major corporate and political walls are too big to scale.

    The 'end run' around them ---is the local scene. In that small fish bowl, any attempts at outside influence will be noticed. It is simply the strongest position to begin -at.
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    Quote It always starts at the grass roots level.
    Absolutely.

    There are some success stories of communities having fluoride removed from the local water system by approaching the appropriate officials within that area.

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    Hiring, appointment,and electoral suitability provisions, as a local ordinance. Provisions that testing for mental stability and correctness have taken place....and that these tests are in full, recorded, in visual and written media, for future analysis and public viewing.

    The best place to start might be for schooling provisions.

    The USA and western world, overall... is in the middle of a fully blown pedophilia scare, and this is the best door to walk through, regarding hiring on school boards and teaching positions, and the like.

    for example, even better...to open a pre-school care group, for profit..the local city may introduce a need for this sort of testing to be a reality.

    The people will jump on it.

    Turn a PTB freedom destruction method and technique for tweaking the emotions of people, for the PTB to get what they want---on it's head.

    This comes back to the larger task at hand in such situations of legal or formulated method and testing rigor/completeness..for the visual and written records of it to be permanently public and not sealed.

    If they successfully argue for it to be done behind closed doors, you are back to a defeated position.

    They only need a sliver of a door, and this is where it will take place. Keep that door firmly closed, via keeping the process and record--open.

    Since it will be a local ordinance attempt, and a small fish bowl, then you have this chance to see and witness the bringing in of the bigger guns, in order for them to attempt to close the door..
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    Your are right they would jump on it, but even me I know that pedophiles do have empathy, how do you implement the psychopaths part - I will think about it and find a way for sure.

    Here interesting stuff to read:

    http://www.examiner.com/law-enforcem...s-share-traits

    Quote Serial killers and politicians share traits
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    8SharePrintEmail.(The following commentary includes material obtained by the National Association of Chiefs of Police from the Federal Bureau of Investigation's Behavioral Analysis Unit.)
    Psychopathy is a personality disorder manifested in people who use a mixture of charm, manipulation, intimidation, and occasionally violence to control others, in order to satisfy their own selfish needs. Although the concept of psychopathy has been known for centuries, the FBI leads the world in the research effort to develop a series of assessment tools, to evaluate the personality traits and behaviors attributable to psychopaths.

    Interpersonal traits include glibness, superficial charm, a grandiose sense of self-worth, pathological lying, and the manipulation of others. The affective traits include a lack of remorse and/or guilt, shallow affect, a lack of empathy, and failure to accept responsibility. The lifestyle behaviors include stimulation-seeking behavior, impulsivity, irresponsibility, parasitic orientation, and a lack of realistic life goals.

    Research has demonstrated that in those criminals who are psychopathic, scores vary, ranging from a high degree of psychopathy to some measure of psychopathy. However, not all violent offenders are psychopaths and not all psychopaths are violent offenders. If violent offenders are psychopathic, they are able to assault, rape, and murder without concern for legal, moral, or social consequences. This allows them to do what they want, whenever they want. Ironically, these same traits exist in men and women who are drawn to high-profile and powerful positions in society including political officeholders.

    The relationship between psychopathy and serial killers is particularly interesting. All psychopaths do not become serial murderers. Rather, serial murderers may possess some or many of the traits consistent with psychopathy. Psychopaths who commit serial murder do not value human life and are extremely callous in their interactions with their victims. This is particularly evident in sexually motivated serial killers who repeatedly target, stalk, assault, and kill without a sense of remorse. However, psychopathy alone does not explain the motivations of a serial killer.

    What doesn't go unnoticed is the fact that some of the character traits exhibited by serial killers or criminals may be observed in many within the political arena. While not exhibiting physical violence, many political leaders display varying degrees of anger, feigned outrage and other behaviors. They also lack what most consider a "shame" mechanism. Quite simply, most serial killers and many professional politicians must mimic what they believe, are appropriate responses to situations they face such as sadness, empathy, sympathy, and other human responses to outside stimuli.

    Understanding psychopathy becomes particularly critical to law enforcement during a serial murder investigation and upon the arrest of a psychopathic serial killer. The crime scene behavior of psychopaths is likely to be distinct from other offenders. This distinct behavior can assist law enforcement in linking serial cases.

    Psychopaths are not sensitive to altruistic interview themes, such as sympathy for their victims or remorse/guilt over their crimes. They do possess certain personality traits that can be exploited, particularly their inherent narcissism, selfishness, and vanity. Specific themes in past successful interviews of psychopathic serial killers focused on praising their intelligence, cleverness, and skill in evading capture.

    Experts recognize that more research is needed concerning the links between serial murder and psychopathy, in order to understand the frequency and degree of psychopathy among serial murderers. This may assist law enforcement in understanding and identifying serial murderers.

    Over the past twenty years, law enforcement and experts from a number of varying disciplines have attempted to identify specific motivations for serial murderers and to apply those motivations to different typologies developed for classifying serial murderers. These range from simple, definitive models to complex, multiple-category typologies that are laden with inclusion requirements. Most typologies are too cumbersome to be utilized by law enforcement during an active serial murder investigation, and they may not be helpful in identifying an offender.

    As most homicides are committed by someone known to the victim, police focus on the relationships closest to the victim. This is a successful strategy for most murder investigations. The majority of serial murderers, however, are not acquainted with or involved in a consensual relationship with their victims.

    For the most part, serial murder involves strangers with no visible relationship between the offender and the victim. This distinguishes a serial murder investigation as a more nebulous undertaking than that of other crimes. Since the investigations generally lack an obvious connection between the offender and the victim, investigators instead attempt to discern the motivations behind the murders, as a way to narrow their investigative focus.

    Serial murder crime scenes can have bizarre features that may cloud the identification of a motive. The behavior of a serial murderer at crime scenes may evolve throughout the series of crimes and manifest different interactions between an offender and a victim. It is also extremely difficult to identify a single motivation when there is more than one offender involved in the series.

    Identifying a homicide series is easier in rapidly-developing, high profile cases involving low risk victims. These cases are reported to law enforcement upon discovery of the crimes and draw immediate media attention.

    In contrast, identifying a series involving high risk victims in multiple jurisdictions is much more difficult. This is primarily due to the high risk lifestyle and transitory nature of the victims. Additionally, the lack of communication between law enforcement agencies and differing records management systems impede the linkage of cases to a common offender.

    While many political leaders will deny the assessment regarding their similarities with serial killers and other career criminals, it is part of a psychopathic profile that may be used in assessing the behaviors of many officials and lawmakers at all levels of government.

    .

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    Here some more for testing

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    There was a woman named Svali some years ago who claimed to be from an Illuminati family. I listened to her interviews and most people, including me thinks she passed the smell test. She claimed, and I believe, that there is some Illuminati family presence in every town in America, with rare exceptions. They are there watching the town supervisors and clerks and police chiefs. As long as things don't get too wild their hand on the tiller is subtle. The better to be the unseen hand. They are the gatekeepers.

    They conduct their sacrificial rites in some unknown basement with a few other members. David Icke has/had a list of their many observant days. Needless to say, these people are the real targets, up close and personal to all of us. They are also the least visible in the day to day business of most towns and villages. I am guessing that any organization that seeks to bring awareness about these 'snakes' amongst us may cause them to stir, to object to such insanity. The Ghandi progression of, ” First they ignore you, then they laugh at you,then they fight you,Then you win.”

    I will now digress to speak of a chapter from LOTR, the second to last in the trilogy called, The Scouring of the Shire". If you have the book, The Return of the King, it is worth a read. It is an education in organization but most importantly the will to 'take no more' and to take causalities, if need be, to secure ones freedom.

    Whereas they were mopping up the periphery after the center was destroyed, our goal is to start at the periphery, taking down the defenses of the center. The edges dissolving is sure to create adrenaline at the center. Fight or flight thinking which is not thinking at all. A sympathetic nervous system response takes blood from the brain, leading to sloppiness and tactical mistakes.

    I have no idea if there is an ounce of utility in any if this. For some reason I was moved to get this out even though typing was the last thing I wanted to do.

    I think that is enough for know. Don't need any drones buzzing the Tower.
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    How to avoid letting psychopaths get into positions of power?

    Vigilance instead of complacency

    Discernment instead of credulity

    Self-responsibility instead of submissiveness

    Determination instead of timidity
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    Quote Posted by modwiz (here)
    There was a woman named Svali some years ago who claimed to be from an Illuminati family. I listened to her interviews and most people, including me thinks she passed the smell test. She claimed, and I believe, that there is some Illuminati family presence in every town in America, with rare exceptions. They are there watching the town supervisors and clerks and police chiefs. As long as things don't get too wild their hand on the tiller is subtle. The better to be the unseen hand. They are the gatekeepers.

    They conduct their sacrificial rites in some unknown basement with a few other members. David Icke has/had a list of their many observant days. Needless to say, these people are the real targets, up close and personal to all of us. They are also the least visible in the day to day business of most towns and villages. I am guessing that any organization that seeks to bring awareness about these 'snakes' amongst us may cause them to stir, to object to such insanity. The Ghandi progression of, ” First they ignore you, then they laugh at you,then they fight you,Then you win.”

    I will now digress to speak of a chapter from LOTR, the second to last in the trilogy called, The Scouring of the Shire". If you have the book, The Return of the King, it is worth a read. It is an education in organization but most importantly the will to 'take no more' and to take causalities, if need be, to secure ones freedom.

    Whereas they were mopping up the periphery after the center was destroyed, our goal is to start at the periphery, taking down the defenses of the center. The edges dissolving is sure to create adrenaline at the center. Fight or flight thinking which is not thinking at all. A sympathetic nervous system response takes blood from the brain, leading to sloppiness and tactical mistakes.

    I have no idea if there is an ounce of utility in any if this. For some reason I was moved to get this out even though typing was the last thing I wanted to do.

    I think that is enough for know. Don't need any drones buzzing the Tower.

    Read a lot of the Svali material years ago after Wilcock posted about it. Confirmed by other material (not for the faint of heart).

    I had just made a post in another thread and made a Lord of the Rings reference before reading this and it was one of those "shivers" moments when seeing your post here.

    Could be nothing or could be everything.

    Not to go off topic (as Carmody implies all roads lead here) but missiles were launched into Israel.

    Quote Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)
    Quote Posted by Black Panther (here)
    Quote Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)

    Another prospect is a possible NATO attack on neighboring Syria. If NATO engages in a military campaign against al-Assad in Syria, it may have ramifications for Israel, most notably the firing of rockets into Israel by Hezbollah in southern Lebanon.
    Rockets fired from Lebanon land in northern Israel

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...orthern-Israel

    and so it begins

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    Quote Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)
    Quote Posted by modwiz (here)
    There was a woman named Svali some years ago who claimed to be from an Illuminati family. I listened to her interviews and most people, including me thinks she passed the smell test. She claimed, and I believe, that there is some Illuminati family presence in every town in America, with rare exceptions. They are there watching the town supervisors and clerks and police chiefs. As long as things don't get too wild their hand on the tiller is subtle. The better to be the unseen hand. They are the gatekeepers.

    They conduct their sacrificial rites in some unknown basement with a few other members. David Icke has/had a list of their many observant days. Needless to say, these people are the real targets, up close and personal to all of us. They are also the least visible in the day to day business of most towns and villages. I am guessing that any organization that seeks to bring awareness about these 'snakes' amongst us may cause them to stir, to object to such insanity. The Ghandi progression of, ” First they ignore you, then they laugh at you,then they fight you,Then you win.”

    I will now digress to speak of a chapter from LOTR, the second to last in the trilogy called, The Scouring of the Shire". If you have the book, The Return of the King, it is worth a read. It is an education in organization but most importantly the will to 'take no more' and to take causalities, if need be, to secure ones freedom.

    Whereas they were mopping up the periphery after the center was destroyed, our goal is to start at the periphery, taking down the defenses of the center. The edges dissolving is sure to create adrenaline at the center. Fight or flight thinking which is not thinking at all. A sympathetic nervous system response takes blood from the brain, leading to sloppiness and tactical mistakes.

    I have no idea if there is an ounce of utility in any if this. For some reason I was moved to get this out even though typing was the last thing I wanted to do.

    I think that is enough for know. Don't need any drones buzzing the Tower.

    Read a lot of the Svali material years ago after Wilcock posted about it. Confirmed by other material (not for the faint of heart).

    I had just made a post in another thread and made a Lord of the Rings reference before reading this and it was one of those "shivers" moments when seeing your post here.

    Could be nothing or could be everything.

    Not to go off topic (as Carmody implies all roads lead here) but missiles were launched into Israel.

    Quote Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)
    Quote Posted by Black Panther (here)
    Quote Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)

    Another prospect is a possible NATO attack on neighboring Syria. If NATO engages in a military campaign against al-Assad in Syria, it may have ramifications for Israel, most notably the firing of rockets into Israel by Hezbollah in southern Lebanon.
    Rockets fired from Lebanon land in northern Israel

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...orthern-Israel

    and so it begins

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    ... or not ...
    They were the usual self inflicted rockets that do none to a little damage and hurt no one. They give the zionist entity an excuse to 'protect itself' with F-16s. And so it begins, just what 'it' is, remains to be seen. Somebody brown will die.

    Snakes in suits and uniform.

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    As I read all this I can't help but think I'm a bit psychopathic myself. Especially considering I had no idea why people did the things they did growing up. I in fact spent much of my early life testing action and response on anyone and everyone I knew. I watched television and learned to mimic how sitcom and movie characters acted in order to better fit in with people. Friends would often laugh thinking I was joking about something when in fact I was completely serious and was just assuming I was making a proper response - so i would make note.

    The interesting thing is that I have almost no emotional memory. If you ask me to remember something I can't really tell you how I ever felt about anything growing up but I can tell you the color of toys I had, plots of books I read, things I saw on television and all in great detail. To this day I have an extremely high information retention and I am not comfortable in highly emotional situations.

    I don't know if this makes me psychopathic or not, but I'd appreciate not being burned at the stake.

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    Quote Posted by noprophet (here)
    As I read all this I can't help but think I'm a bit psychopathic myself. Especially considering I had no idea why people did the things they did growing up. I in fact spent much of my early life testing action and response on anyone and everyone I knew. I watched television and learned to mimic how sitcom and movie characters acted in order to better fit in with people. Friends would often laugh thinking I was joking about something when in fact I was completely serious and was just assuming I was making a proper response - so i would make note.

    The interesting thing is that I have almost no emotional memory. If you ask me to remember something I can't really tell you how I ever felt about anything growing up but I can tell you the color of toys I had, plots of books I read, things I saw on television and all in great detail. To this day I have an extremely high information retention and I am not comfortable in highly emotional situations.

    I don't know if this makes me psychopathic or not, but I'd appreciate not being burned at the stake.
    I am willing to step out on a limb and state that such self-reflection about so genteel a subject would disqualify you from being a psychopath.

    No six figure salary or unearned bonus for you.

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    Sun in Scorpio, Moon in Gemini, Mars opposite Pluto, Scorpio stellum in the 10 th house, with the sun between Venus and Saturn, all squaring Pluto....Mars in Aquarius in the first house. Pluto in the 7 th.
    There ya go.
    And that bit about twins, proves the genetics, but also proves the astro factor.

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    A true psychopath sitting on death row for mass murder can justify to him/herself good cause for each offense.

    In their own eyes they are *never* guilty of any wrong doing.

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    Maybe I ought to elaborate a bit more...
    Scorpio has the secrecy and tenacity needed. Also the cruelty.
    The Gemini moon splits the person emotionally.
    The sun Venus conjunction provides the attractive good looks as well as the vanity and narcissism. The sun Saturn conjunction gives the ambition.
    Mars in the first house provides energy and aggressiveness.
    Pluto in the 7th house means others are perceived as potential enemies.

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    Alex Had a guest on this evening talking about this very subject.



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    For further reading, this is a big issue at sott.net, where Laura Knight-Jadcyk was instrumental in publishing the book Political Ponerology. Apparently the percentage is more like 3-4%, and what makes things harder still is that these guys recognize each other and gang up on us.


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    Quote Posted by ulli (here)
    Maybe I ought to elaborate a bit more...
    Scorpio has the secrecy and tenacity needed. Also the cruelty.
    The Gemini moon splits the person emotionally.
    The sun Venus conjunction provides the attractive good looks as well as the vanity and narcissism. The sun Saturn conjunction gives the ambition.
    Mars in the first house provides energy and aggressiveness.
    Pluto in the 7th house means others are perceived as potential enemies.
    Who. or what, is being referred to here?

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    Quote Posted by araucaria (here)
    For further reading, this is a big issue at sott.net, where Laura Knight-Jadcyk was instrumental in publishing the book Political Ponerology. Apparently the percentage is more like 3-4%, and what makes things harder still is that these guys recognize each other and gang up on us.
    3-4% against 96%. I'll take those odds. I'm sure we can find what we need from our percentage. It is a matter of awareness and finding a few Jedi knights.

    Another thing with these psychopricks. It is slimy when you play a game, there are rules agreed to, and you cheat. These cockroaches, don't even tell you there is a game being played, while they still cheat. This is not a sign of confidence but one of weakness and doubt. They don't see it, but I do.
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