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    All is balanced..

    Intent, In my opinion is what defines right or wrong.

    Lying...Murder...Adultery etc...cannot be blanketed under one "right or wrong" in my opinion..

    If i Murdered Hitler... the act itself is wrong..but the intent balances it out. IMHO

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    Sometimes those that are blind can see a lot better than those that have eyesight. The heart is our strongest weapon for it can perform the greatest miracle of all, created by the source of all, LOVE.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeriT...eature=related

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    *celine stands and claps *

    HEAR HEAR!!

    well said Frank heart

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    Quote Posted by celine
    All is balanced..

    Intent, In my opinion is what defines right or wrong.

    Lying...Murder...Adultery etc...cannot be blanketed under one "right or wrong" in my opinion..

    If i Murdered Hitler... the act itself is wrong..but the intent balances it out. IMHO

    yes at the outset it's wrong to commit to lying murder adultary etc

    now it has become a habit

    and we see the result in the world

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    Quote Posted by Beren
    Can we instantly be in the presence of Creator?
    Can we heal others now? Can we instantly fly to other parts of Earth or somewhere in space? Can we say forgive me- or I forgive you? Can we raise or dear beloved dead friend who just died???

    No ...and that is telling us something right?

    these things are impossible to achieve as long as one doesn't adhere to truth and righteousness

    am I right or am I wrong lol

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    I know I repeat myself but the finest explanation to queries raised by many seekers of truth is to be found in the book
    Power vs Force / The Hidden Determinants of Human Behavior"
    Dr. David R. Hawkins, M.D., Ph.D.

    Dr. Hawkins is an internationally renowned psychiatrist, physician, researcher, and pioneer in the fields of consciousness research and spirituality. He writes and teaches from the unique perspective of an experienced clinician, scientist, and mystic and is devoted to the spiritual evolution of mankind.
    www.veritaspub.com/

    Please check out the publishers website fully.
    My favorite book of his is "Discovery of the Presence of God"

    I actually agree with both RedeZra and Celine which seems a contradiction but it depends on the spiritual level.
    It also depends on intention and context. I could get a vet to put loved pet out of its misery and I have and entirely different story is if I go and shoot a dog for the fun of it. I havent ever killed life intentionally. Thats my choice.
    I have a responsibility for my actions and there is something within me that encourages appropriate action given my intention and the circumstances.
    That action may vary from person to person depending on many thing a lot of which are not even in awareness.

    See my post no 13 and 45 on the thread

    I have love for all on this thread regardless of varying opinions as I know the heart of every single one of you is in the right place.

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    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)
    I actually agree with both RedeZra and Celine which seems a contradiction but it depends on the spiritual level.
    It also depends on intention and context. I could get a vet to put loved pet out of its misery and I have and entirely different story is if I go and shoot a dog for the fun of it. I havent ever killed life intentionally. Thats my choice.
    Celine says much I agree with as well


    I don't know the right and wrong thing to think say and do in every encountered circumstance


    but I believe the universal consciousness is perfect

    and that I miss the mark every so often or maybe more


    to shoot a dog for the fun of it must be wrong

    to put a pet out of it's misery might not be wrong

    at least not so wrong as shooting it for the fun of it


    there are probably natural karmic implications in both incidents

    perhaps ask the universal consciousness for assistance

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    is it not a wrong to close the eyes to the crimes and corruption of your fellow man and woman

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    Awareness is very important RedeZra. Blinkered head in the sand is no use but neither is a full frontal attack.
    We are back to what has worked against all odds.
    Frank has mentioned several times Gandhi, Nelson Mandela, and others who have won through, using nonviolent ways.
    Raising consciousness is the only effective long term answer, nothing else has worked.
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    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)
    Awareness is very important RedeZra. Blinkered head in the sand is no use but neither is a full frontal attack.

    Frank has mentioned several times Gandhi, Nelson Mandela, and others who have won through, using nonviolent ways.
    Raising consciousness is the only effective long term answer, nothing else has worked.
    Chris
    yes Im not thinking full frontal attack but at least an acknowledgement

    as to what is righteous and what is not

    so when we see wrong we are not silent but we speak up against it

    and do the opposite of what the wrongdoers do

    so as to set an example of peace and nonviolence
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    yes Im not thinking full frontal attack but at least an acknowledgement

    as to what is righteous and what is not

    so when we see wrong we are not silent but we speak up against it

    and do the opposite of what the wrongdoers do

    so as to set an example of peace and nonviolence
    There is no easy answer my friend.
    The difficulty is balance.
    Wars have been fought to right wrongs --- well war is war and innocent people die by the million in them.
    Close to home the violence in Northern Ireland came to an end Ex IRA now in the Government.
    Peace has existed for a period of time and now extremists are trying to start it all over again.
    History the past is quoted and the fight declared as just to right wrongs.
    Who's right? Any position can be justified everyone can prove their cause right and quote chapter and verse to justify their point of view and hence violence.
    Anger arises at any injustice.
    The work book part of "A Course in Miracles" is well worth a read. It says we are never angry for the reason we think we are angry and that small anger is just as dangerous and of the same energy as big anger,
    I honestly think we have to let go of taking up positions.
    The course says "Know that the moment you take up a position you are identifying with an illusion"
    When we stop judging this is right or this is wrong then we are taking a massive step forward, It starts here.
    If others want to save the world let them try.
    That has never worked.
    Every war has been caused by people trying to fix something by force, imposing their version of right on others.
    He who wins the war writes the history book.
    Ramana said. "The world you are trying to save doesn't even exist"
    I say get you own personal world as right as you can.
    If everyone does that then there is no problem.
    Lead by example.
    With love and respect for all concerned with having a better world.
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    as to what is righteous and what is not
    Your dilema, if you have one - I am not sure, is solved when you consider the standards by which you judge your actions righteous or otherwise.

    Are you judging them based on the standards discerned from within? Or are you judging them based on the standards set by someone, thing, culture, civilization etc from without? In the former case, my position is that you stand on firm ground. In the latter case you are set up for a fall.

    The next thing that happens is - what happens to consensus? What happens when person a's standards appear to differ from person b? Do we have conflict?

    What I think we have is one or the other not being honest Because if everyone was able to follow thier heart, they would all end up going in the same direction AS ONE, in harmony with the divine intelligence that motivates all that is.

    John..
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    One of the reasons this thread exists is to show people that entities that affect us all were one of those showed in that video- in their extreme physicality and blood thirst.
    When they can not affect you in that level, they skip on another -shown in this thread. By affecting your thought patterns and provoking you. The tricky part is you are mostly unaware that they are perpetrators of things you feel or think...


    And this is why I say we`re at war with them...
    I won`t allow them to control me .Nevertheless is I`m off my guard and my guard being the good relationship with Creator, they will -rest assured- sniff me out and immediately attack me in all possible ways...
    Remember that lie is different on every level so who ever think that is enlightened, you better watch your ground since your enlightenment will be tested by those who are en-darkened...

    And again those things are not imaginations of my mind or soul experience. Never forget that for everyone tests or attacks are very personalized . You may not feel what I feel and encounter same things as I ...never the less THE SAME spirit stands behind it all. Spirit of rebellion, deceit,darkness, selfishness,boasting pride and lie.

    That`s why it was "figure of speech-ED " as serpent... wiggly and slippery...
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    Quote Posted by John (here)
    Your dilema, if you have one - I am not sure, is solved when you consider the standards by which you judge your actions righteous or otherwise.

    Are you judging them based on the standards discerned from within? Or are you judging them based on the standards set by someone, thing, culture, civilization etc from without? In the former case, my position is that you stand on firm ground. In the latter case you are set up for a fall.
    I am considering the standards set forth by both Buddha and Christ - which I accidently or naturally happen to agree with

    these two spoke of not only love but truth and righteousness too - which they intimately knew from their high point of view

    truth and love might imply righteousness but one cannot have one without the other

    truth and love are the two wings we need to fly high


    I think far too much focus has been on love only - nobody wants the truth

    with only one wing one can't lift an inch

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    Those of the positive polarity are of service when by action or thought or even intention, another entity or the self is freer to seek his or her own path than before the intended service was performed. --L/Leema

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    Quote Posted by RedeZra (here)

    I think far too much focus has been on love only - nobody wants the truth

    with only one wing one can't lift an inch
    RedeZra, may I ask you how would you find the 'truth' if you don't connect with your Inner/Higher Self?
    If you cannot find the truth right where you are, where else do you expect to find it?
    No evidence will convince you of the truth of what you do not want to find within.
    Love is the answer. Namaste,

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    Free your mind, and open your heart to LOVE.
    You'll then become enlightened able to just BE.

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    Quote Posted by truthseekerdan (here)
    RedeZra, may I ask you how would you find the 'truth' if you don't connect with your Inner/Higher Self?

    No evidence will convince you of the truth of what you do not want to find within.
    hehe sure Dan

    most say they are connected to a higher self - then sit back and pat themselves on the head
    for saying that

    without establishing any connection whatsoever - but just repeating a love mantra

    which they confuse with emotions by the way - while they mistake instincts for intuition

    they have no distinction for right and wrong - for they think they are right to do whatever they want

    so they say love love but never a word about truth - for they don't know it and they don't want it


    1st step to connect to a higher self is adherence to virtues - that means one must be able to distinct it from vices - else one will never connect - or one can surrender to the higher self

    but I agree it's very easy to say - I am connected with my higher self and love is the answer
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    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)
    I honestly think we have to let go of taking up positions.
    The course says "Know that the moment you take up a position you are identifying with an illusion"
    When we stop judging this is right or this is wrong then we are taking a massive step forward, It starts here.

    let's not accept cruelty by looking the other way - let us at least speak up when we see it


    there is a somewhat famous statement attributed to Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984) about the inactivity of German intellectuals following the Nazi rise to power and the purging of their chosen targets - one group after another



    " THEY CAME FIRST for the Communists,
    and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

    THEN THEY CAME for the trade unionists,
    and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

    THEN THEY CAME for the Jews,
    and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

    THEN THEY CAME for me
    and by that time no one was left to speak up. "




    an animated poem by Maurice Ogden called the Hangman

    a hangman comes to town and executes the citizens one by one
    as each citizen is executed - the others are afraid to object out of fear that they will be next




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    Truth and righteousness in this side of the hemisphere as far as historical statistics go in the name of Christianity over 50 million Indians killed on both sides of the Americas, with another 100 million dying of diseases brought by the Europeans conquerors.

    http://freetruth.50webs.org/A4a.htm

    In the name of truth and righteousness people have proclaim their brand of truth as being absolute this somehow has given humans the right to kill each other thus the state of affairs of our world, past, present and if we don't learn form our mistakes this will also be our future.

    Many many blessings to all.

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