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    Hi Guys
    We are in many ways saying the same but from different levels of perception.
    I agree that we need to fly on two wings.
    Again at the risk of boring people --- It is all to be found in Dr Hawkins books.
    He warns of the wolves in sheep's clothing, he warns against naivety, he confirms the power of love vs the weakness of force.
    The answer is first being fully aware ie both wings as mentioned by RedeZra then in the book is the knowledge of why these negatve things happen and are being done by a high percentage of the population
    Knowledge is power and being aware of negativity is only part of it, it is necessary to know why the acts are happening, where the perpetrator is coming from and then appropriate and power full action can take place.
    History speaks to us, Chamberlain thought he had done a peace deal with Hitler, Churchill maintained that it was not worth the paper it was written on. Churchill was accused of warmongering. Who was right? Why Churchill of course.
    If he had been listened to millions of lives would have been saved.
    Honestly most of the answers are to be found in Power vs Force.
    People act according to the level of their consciousness without a rising of consciousness we will have more of the same for ever.
    We raise our own consciousness we raise all others.
    That is the ultimate answer.
    A rising tide lifts all boats.

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    Quote Posted by frank samuel (here)
    Truth and righteousness in this side of the hemisphere as far as historical statistics go in the name of Christianity over 50 million Indians killed on both sides of the Americas, with another 100 million dying of diseases brought by the Europeans conquerors.

    http://freetruth.50webs.org/A4a.htm

    In the name of truth and righteousness people have proclaim their brand of truth as being absolute this somehow has given humans the right to kill each other thus the state of affairs of our world, past, present and if we don't learn form our mistakes this will also be our future.

    Many many blessings to all.

    Frank,now, if you want to be fair you must notice that "Christianity " that caused all those deaths is NOT of the Christ. It's of the Vatican and its lust for power.
    That is why truth must be spoken of and established since many use Christ and his words for excuse for vile things. Same Christ will be their judge.

    One more thing ;
    there are four things that are pillars of Creator. Four things that are of him and him.
    Love - Justice -Wisdom-Power

    All other virtues are emerging from that four.
    Truth is his word. His word in every sense,either by literal form or things he utter,for whatever language Creator uses among all his creation he speaks truths.
    It's just that we are mostly ignorant about many things and we simply don't "get" what Creator is saying to us. Spoken word in the flesh and to the flesh is the roughest and final conversation to beings. It means that if you have to speak aloud - it means that person whom the words are uttered is not understanding non of the other forms of Creator languages.
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    God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change.
    The courage to change the things I can.
    The wisdom to know the difference.

    After years of trying to change people events etc all with the best intention.
    I have come to the conclusion that it is my responsibility to change me get me right.
    if I do that the rest of my world automatically comes right.
    Its a vanity to think I can change others.
    I have enough difficulty changing me Lol.
    I can set an example though.
    I try to be the change I want to see.
    We should listen to the likes of Gandhi, he got it more right, whatever right is, than most of us.
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    Beren the people who committed these atrocities throughout the course of history where people just like you and me, no different. They truly believe they understood the truth and that their faith gave them the right to conquer in the name of God. This is not the story of a particular religion rather the story of humans searching for an identity which is not found within this human form. It is your soul that connects you to the source of all, there is where the answers are. Still we identify with this 3 dimensional form and unfortunately commit errors in judging this temporal illusion as the sole reality. We are so much more, one day soon the veil will be lifted .

    Many many blessings to all.
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    Quote Posted by RedeZra (here)
    so they say love love but never a word about truth - for they don't know it and they don't want it
    The only 'truth' that we need to grasp while in this 'flesh body' is the reality that only God IS. God = Unconditional Love. Everything else is just details. Our Father God is experiencing (experimenting) IT-Self through 'us' His Children, and everything else in this physical realm and Universe.

    He also gave 'us' Free Will. However, many of His Children chose Not to become Love and grow to BE Sons / Daughters, but instead 'separated' and live like children in fear. The latter is the 'reality we live' in today. Jesus the Christ, volunteered to come down to 'our level' to help 'us' reconnect the missing link (Love) that will enable all of humanity to reach its full potential.

    God the Father is waiting patiently, because he knows no such thing as time; waiting for His Children to uncover once again their true potential and destiny. How could humanity climb upward if it is constantly going round in circles repeating the same mistakes throughout history? This was what Jesus Christ (God in Human Flesh) came to 'save' humanity from.

    Humanity needed an example, someone to show them the 'Way'. It was important that he come, as we all must come into a human physical body and be exposed to all the trials man must face. Jesus had to show us that he could rise above it. If he could do it, humankind could also. His goal was to show humanity through his example how they should live. That the greatest lesson to be learned was to Love their fellow creatures on earth. If Love was present, no further negative karma could be created. If Love was present, there would be no more wars and suffering.

    To conclude here, is that the thirst for Knowledge of 'truth' and Love will set one free.
    "If you have ears, pay attention!" (Matthew 13:9; Contemporary English Version)

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    Quote Posted by truthseekerdan (here)
    The only 'truth' that we need to grasp while in this 'flesh body' is the reality that only God IS. God = Unconditional Love. Everything else is just details. Our Father God is experiencing (experimenting) IT-Self through 'us' His Children, and everything else in this physical realm and Universe.

    ]
    We are all waves of the Divine Ocean.
    There only is One self.
    "Judgment is mine sayeth the Lord"
    It is a vanity to think we know what is right or wrong ( for others) in the big picture. Accepting that there is a universal concept of appropriate behavior.
    Love all serve all.
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    Remember you are love.

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    Quote Posted by celine (here)
    Remember you are love.
    That's a bold statement. But ultimately true.
    Love, love and see what happens!

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    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)
    We are all waves of the Divine Ocean.
    There only is One self.
    "Judgment is mine sayeth the Lord"
    It is a vanity to think we know what is right or wrong ( for others) in the big picture. Accepting that there is a universal concept of appropriate behavior.
    Love all serve all.
    Chris
    Chris, I really do agree (resonate) with your post here.

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    Quote Posted by frank samuel (here)
    Truth and righteousness in this side of the hemisphere as far as historical statistics go in the name of Christianity over 50 million Indians killed on both sides of the Americas, with another 100 million dying of diseases brought by the Europeans conquerors.

    http://freetruth.50webs.org/A4a.htm

    In the name of truth and righteousness people have proclaim their brand of truth as being absolute this somehow has given humans the right to kill each other thus the state of affairs of our world, past, present and if we don't learn form our mistakes this will also be our future.
    truth and righteousness is of course not about killing those that are wrong

    it doesn't matter which faith one confesses to - both the heart and the scriptures say it's wrong to kill

    whatever label we put on people - we are first and foremost humans

    when we don't get right from wrong and break about every commandments in the scriptures
    it is convenient to blame religion - when in fact it is failure to adhere to religion that is the cause of so much misery

    the quest for a Crown's empire killed the Indians - the ambition for personal power and wealth killed the Indians - not truth and righteousness

    if someone says 'I have to kill you in the name of Christianity' or 'I have to kill you in the name of Freedom' - then they use these labels as scapegoats and an excuse for their own perversions

    throw them a Bible or a Bill of Rights and say 'does it not state it is wrong to kill me'
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    A question;

    Why ,in your opinion, Jesus stated to Peter in the moment before arrest- do you not think that I could ask for 12 legions of angels from my Father to aid me now?

    But nevertheless he did not ask for it...

    Why?
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    Mind loves to contemplate and complicate.

    We are not mind.

    In simplicity enlightenment (freedom from ignorance) is our natural state. Remove ego and true self stands out illuminated.
    Once all thats is not God is remove from self the oneness which is God is revealed -- God realization.

    The sages who experience and live in this sate have existed since time began,
    Not one sage is of any religion.
    How could God manifest as a sage be of any religion?

    Nothing to do with New age, Hinduism, Christianity, Buddhism, or anything other than the realization of SELF.

    What is there to talk about?????

    Discussion on this subject is irrelevant.
    Truth is not my truth.
    Truth is not debatable
    Truth is not negotiable
    Truth is not subject to opinion.
    Truth is God Eternal unchanging Pure LOVE.

    Everything else is story telling.

    Love Chris.

    I -- Me didnt write this.
    I channeled internally from my Higherself.

    Ps Dan minded me of this post which I have pasted in.
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    Quote Posted by Beren (here)
    A question;

    Why ,in your opinion, Jesus stated to Peter in the moment before arrest- do you not think that I could ask for 12 legions of angels from my Father to aid me now?

    But nevertheless he did not ask for it...

    Why?
    Great question Beren.

    Jesus 'may have said' that to Peter to make him understand that his mission was not what other people who believed in him as the 'Messiah' were thinking that he came to conquer and/or to free them from romans and to become their earthly king.

    His mission was to spread Love, knowledge and compassion, and to teach them the true lost Spiritual Way. See my other post. Hope this helps.
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    Why ,in your opinion, Jesus stated to Peter in the moment before arrest- do you not think that I could ask for 12 legions of angels from my Father to aid me now?
    Jesus had a mission to fulfill the Prophets and to complete the Cross - a mystery we cannot fully fathom

    He could probably climb down from the Cross at any time - imagine the shame of the Spirit

    crucified like a common criminal to all the onlookers

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    Quote Posted by RedeZra (here)
    Jesus had a mission to fulfill the Prophets and to complete the Cross - a mystery we cannot fully fathom

    He could probably climb down from the Cross at any time - imagine the shame of the Spirit

    crucified like a common criminal to all the onlookers

    Painfully true.

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    Great question Beren.

    Jesus 'may have said' that to Peter to make him understand that his mission was not what other people who believed in him as the 'Messiah' were thinking that he came to conquer and/or to free them from romans and to become their earthly king.

    His mission was to spread Love, knowledge and compassion, and to teach them the true lost Spiritual Way. See my other post. Hope this helps.

    It reminds me of story of waters below and waters above. Waters represent thoughts.
    God's thoughts are so above ours that we can not fathom it.
    Not yet.

    Soon all who are found worthy before Creator will be instantly joined in spirit with him and our heavenly brothers.
    Love, love and see what happens!

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    Quote Posted by truthseekerdan
    God = Unconditional Love. Everything else is just details.

    To conclude here, is that the thirst for Knowledge of 'truth' and Love will set one free.
    you got it almost right at the top - you left out Truth

    at the conclusion you got it - Congratulation


    now never leave out Truth any more but include it with Love

    Remember it takes 2 wings to fly high

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    Quote Posted by Beren (here)
    A question;

    Why ,in your opinion, Jesus stated to Peter in the moment before arrest- do you not think that I could ask for 12 legions of angels from my Father to aid me now?

    But nevertheless he did not ask for it...

    Why?
    Hi Beren good question.
    When you know that you are not the body what is death?
    Jesus came to do a job.
    His last words as far as I know were "God forgive them for they know not what they do"
    His last words were aligned with the first two commandments.
    If we follow those two all the rest automatically fall into place.
    So Jesus saw the big picture, he led by example.
    In spit of everything he forgave.
    God does not interfere. Jesus of his own will endured crucification to show that it is possible to forgive in the most horrendous circumstances.
    He had to show that we can do the same. We cant call on angels as he can. It had to be a level playing field-- same deal we have.
    Even though it is my belief that we automatically on death go to a realm concordant with our spiritual vibration.
    We are shown life's events and where we failed to honor others and God immediately after death, at this time we can ask Jesus Christ to intercede such is the love and fairness of God.
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    Quote Posted by Beren (here)
    A question;

    Why ,in your opinion, Jesus stated to Peter in the moment before arrest- do you not think that I could ask for 12 legions of angels from my Father to aid me now?

    But nevertheless he did not ask for it...

    Why?

    Also beside other things ,was he not provoked by entities of darkness to react unappropriately ?
    He could see through veil that we can not and who knows whom wished so badly that Jesus do a wrong thing then. Then evil would have lasting excuse before Creator of that error.
    Just think of a way to exploit the possible err by Christ at that very moment.

    That is the thing I wish to point in this thread - INVISIBLE but very real influences over our minds hearts and souls... How to recognize them and not to err.
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    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)
    We cant call on angels as he can.
    sure we can Chris

    maybe not legions - but our own forsaken guardian Angel



    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)
    God does not interfere
    sure He does Chris

    He interferes at His own discretion
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    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)
    Hi Beren good question.
    When you know that you are not the body what is death?
    Jesus came to do a job.
    His last words as far as I know were "God forgive them for they know not what they do"
    His last words were aligned with the first two commandments.
    If we follow those two all the rest automatically fall into place.
    So Jesus saw the big picture, he led by example.
    In spit of everything he forgave.
    God does not interfere. Jesus of his own will endured crucification to show that it is possible to forgive in the most horrendous circumstances.
    He had to show that we can do the same. We cant call on angels as he can. It had to be a level playing field-- same deal we have.
    Even though it is my belief that we automatically on death go to a realm concordant with our spiritual vibration.
    We are shown life's events and where we failed to honor others and God immediately after death, at this time we can ask Jesus Christ to intercede such is the love and fairness of God.
    Chris

    Chris ,
    do you see now how precious we are in the eye of Creator?
    Can you fathom our importance before Lord of all?

    And can you realize why a war is waged against us ?
    A terrible bloody war since a dawn of time against ones whom will inherit the kingdom!
    We must never forget that as we travel on our road toward God. Ultimately Love is all there is. Creator's impulse was love when he created us. Now we learn about all ,about principles of our being ,about us -because we are his Children.
    Love, love and see what happens!

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