Kerry interviews Alfred Webre Weds 7th Dec on her radio show

[onawah]

I hadn't tuned into Webre for a long time, until the Tolec story, and that was because it was connected to what Fulford and David Wilcock were saying re the DUMBs being disabled.
I am still open to the possibility that there is some truth to this story, but am waiting for Wilcock's 3rd article to see what confirmation he is able to provide.
Much of the work that Webre did in the past with the Disclosure Project and Exopolitics was great.
I feel like he is a sincere and very likeable, intelligent person, but is on a rather odd trajectory now as far as the info he is providing is concerned.
I do like what he is doing with the tribunal very much.
Whether they succeed in having Bush etc. arrested or not, I think it's worth taking the steps they have.

[Rahkyt]

Posted by onawah (here)
Whether they succeed in having Bush etc. arrested or not, I think it's worth taking the steps they have.

Indeed it is. Talk about action, how more direct can you get? He's out there in the trenches, subject to much of the same disinformation tactics as others that we are all familiar with. The inner barometer is always the final judge of truth or falsehood and time will tell, regarding the other more ethereal aspects of his work.

[Cidersomerset]

I agree Onawah and Rankyt as the last bit of my reply to Bill was mean't to imply his source may ridicule Alfred but that is a bit cheap for a man who has been working in this field
for so long. Whether he is right or wrong he deserves some respect imho.....

Seriously, one Camelot witness who I have the very greatest respect for (for his intellect, research ability and measured, data-driven approach) told us: "If Webre told me it was raining, I'd doubt it until I went outside and checked for myself".

A bit harsh, but point taken......But we must give him credit for his work on the 'Tribunals' and his co ordination with Steven Greer on the disclosure project, and he did coin the term. 'Exo Politics' and he agrees with Kerry as per interview that not all ET's are positive so I don't think he is a complete fraud .....Steve

[seeingterra]

This was not very astute Bill, do you like it when people make this comment about you?

I respect your right to have an opinion, as everyone else, but seriously though, I find your comment extremely unnecessary and insulting to Alfred.

If I came out and said "A very notable Camelot source says Bill Ryan is .... (insert negative remark)", would it then be OK (in your mind) for me to go on a forum discussing your work doing what you have done here?

I am asking because I respect your opinion and I seem to demand more from you when you make a directed comment towards someone.
It just don't seem very journalistic to me, that is all.

If you have your own opinion that you can detail for us I am sure many including myself would have an easier time respecting your view.

Don't take this the wrong way, but I just expected more from you.

PS: This is a public note in response to Bill Ryan, this is in no way meant to be causing diversion, but I am eager to hear what this is about since it is the first I hear of this from Bill.

All the best,

Tommy

[haibane]

Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
Kerry interviewed Alfred Webre yesterday....I posted it because it was more like one of the Project Camelots Interviews rather than just a radio chat.....If you do not know of Alfreds history and the pioneering part in the disclosure project, and he is continueing to do,you will appreciate what a 'enlightened human being he is'....He coined the phrase 'Exo Politics' as you may know..

I recommend this interview and its wide ranging and he is in the same league so to speak imho as John Leare, Bob Dean, David Icke, Jorden Maxwell etc...and I learn't a few things about Alfred I did not know......He was a Judge on the recent tribunal in Kuala Lumpa finding George W Bush, and Tony Blair guilty of crimes against peace, and more....

http://www.americanfreedomradio.com/...32k-120711.mp3

Yesterday would be December 7th according to the date of your post? Am I missing something or is there another reason for the file having a date of October 12th (2011.10.12)? I'm just curious here.

Also I wonder what is the reason for the file size to be EXACTLY the same as another PC interview I have downloaded previously, dated 31. march 2011 (the size being 28 800 418 B in my file system) ...

Thanks for posting BTW (^__^ )

[Wind]

I don't buy anything that this "Tolec" says, but I don't think Alfred is a fraud. He is a researcher with good intentions, and he actually may be mislead like Fulford, Stankov or so many other guys that are working on the "truth". If you know what I mean. But we all do have the same goal! I have watched many of the Project Camelot interviews, and the only guys that seem "real" for me are Davild Wilcock and Bob Dean. I like David Icke too... but I think the things that he says about reptilians are just plain delusional. And I may be wrong, I'm not afraid to admit it. But all that seems too far fetched to me. I don't buy everything that these guys have to say! I make my own conclusions just like we all do.

I don't mean to be rude, but I'm just curious... How come it seems to me that Bill is so cynical toward his fellow "colleagues"?

[Cidersomerset]

Hi haibane The interview was broadcast last weds 7th Dec on Freedom radio, I listened to it via the archive below.I think it was recorded live on
weds 7th via a skype link if I remember right.They talk about just comming back from a conference in South Africa.

I don't know what you mean about the files ?? Would they reuse them ? don't know about the technical side ? sorry.... Steve

Heres the Freedom Radio Archive link...

http://www.americanfreedomradio.com/...amelot_11.html

[Cidersomerset]

Hi tommy... Bill took me back a bit with the direct negativity via his source, which I respect as his point of view but as you say it was a brief answer mainly
to the 'Toltec' material which I have not listened to and cannot comment on, and if Bill thinks its a load of 'tosh' that is perfectly fine...
I was just surprised at the 'blanket' dismissal of a hard working member of the community ,whether he is barking up the wrong tree or not.

I thought the interview overall was very good and uplifting, thats why I posted it.....Steve...



We all follow a loose end at sometime or other.....

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Starseed I agree , but knowing Bill if he reads these comments he will probably have a list of reasons .....

So brace yourselfe..LOL..Steve

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by seeingterra (here)
This was not very astute Bill, do you like it when people make this comment about you?

I respect your right to have an opinion, as everyone else, but seriously though, I find your comment extremely unnecessary and insulting to Alfred.

If I came out and said "A very notable Camelot source says Bill Ryan is .... (insert negative remark)", would it then be OK (in your mind) for me to go on a forum discussing your work doing what you have done here?

I am asking because I respect your opinion and I seem to demand more from you when you make a directed comment towards someone.
It just don't seem very journalistic to me, that is all.

If you have your own opinion that you can detail for us I am sure many including myself would have an easier time respecting your view.

Don't take this the wrong way, but I just expected more from you.

PS: This is a public note in response to Bill Ryan, this is in no way meant to be causing diversion, but I am eager to hear what this is about since it is the first I hear of this from Bill.

All the best,

Tommy

Hi, Tommy:

"Tolec" making references to NESARA is a clear red flag that his information is unreliable at best and false at worst.

It's as simple as that. Alfred Webre has been taken in by Tolec's messages -- because he so much wants to believe them. I'm afraid that doesn't make them factual.

It's essential in these times, when there is a LOT of interference, diversion, and disinformation (e.g. the Elenin fiasco and Hoagland's humiliation) -- to be skeptical, in the sense defined by Bernie Haisch:

Skeptic - One who practices the method of suspended judgment, engages in rational and dispassionate reasoning as exemplified by the scientific method, shows willingness to consider alternative explanations without prejudice based on prior beliefs, and who seeks out evidence and carefully scrutinizes its validity.

This is an important subject. There are many false, misleading messages of hope mixed in with all the legitimate ones (and there are many of those, too!).

The result is confusion. Look around you and see. In my opinion, as I also believe you know, Ben Fulford -- no doubt well-intentioned -- is also prey to these.

All claimed information is not true and valid. And I've long disagreed with Kerry, as you know, about the policy of "we report, you decide" -- which is also the dictum of Fox News.

Few of the people involved in reporting bad information are bad people. They've just been deceived. Never underestimate the quantity of highly sophisticated deception around -- much of which operates at non-physical levels.

So I'll continue to call it exactly how I see it, and I have a duty to do that. No doubt Kerry will agree.

With my personal best wishes as always -- Bill

[ghostrider]

the forest is full of stones that need to be turned over, then you decide what to keep and what to leave. It's not the destination it's the journey along the way. That why I love camelot we ( Bill and Kerry) report you decide.... I'd rather be digging through papers tossing some keeping some than, having just one paper. it's really an exercise in choice, I choose to believe, or I choose not to believe...

[seeingterra]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by seeingterra (here)
This was not very astute Bill, do you like it when people make this comment about you?

I respect your right to have an opinion, as everyone else, but seriously though, I find your comment extremely unnecessary and insulting to Alfred.

If I came out and said "A very notable Camelot source says Bill Ryan is .... (insert negative remark)", would it then be OK (in your mind) for me to go on a forum discussing your work doing what you have done here?

I am asking because I respect your opinion and I seem to demand more from you when you make a directed comment towards someone.
It just don't seem very journalistic to me, that is all.

If you have your own opinion that you can detail for us I am sure many including myself would have an easier time respecting your view.

Don't take this the wrong way, but I just expected more from you.

PS: This is a public note in response to Bill Ryan, this is in no way meant to be causing diversion, but I am eager to hear what this is about since it is the first I hear of this from Bill.

All the best,

Tommy

Hi, Tommy:

"Tolec" making references to NESARA is a clear red flag that his information is unreliable at best and false at worst.

It's as simple as that. Alfred Webre has been taken in by Tolec's messages -- because he so much wants to believe them. I'm afraid that doesn't make them factual.

It's essential in these times, when there is a LOT of interference, diversion, and disinformation (e.g. the Elenin fiasco and Hoagland's humiliation) -- to be skeptical, in the sense defined by Bernie Haisch:

Skeptic - One who practices the method of suspended judgment, engages in rational and dispassionate reasoning as exemplified by the scientific method, shows willingness to consider alternative explanations without prejudice based on prior beliefs, and who seeks out evidence and carefully scrutinizes its validity.

This is an important subject. There are many false, misleading messages of hope mixed in with all the legitimate ones (and there are many of those, too!).

The result is confusion. Look around you and see. In my opinion, as I also believe you know, Ben Fulford -- no doubt well-intentioned -- is also prey to these.

All claimed information is not true and valid. And I've long disagreed with Kerry, as you know, about the policy of "we report, you decide" -- which is also the dictum of Fox News.

Few of the people involved in reporting bad information are bad people. They've just been deceived. Never underestimate the quantity of highly sophisticated deception around -- much of which operates at non-physical levels.

So I'll continue to call it exactly how I see it, and I have a duty to do that. No doubt Kerry will agree.

With my personal best wishes as always -- Bill

Hi Bill,

Thanks for the reply, this certainly makes it clearer for me in regards to how you feel.

To be honest with you I pretty much find all sources (with a few exceptions) worth scrutinizing, each equally. One thing we probably have to agree to disagree on is the "we report, you decide" policy, I find this to be the only thing of value these days. Mainly because I have yet to see any person manage to get "the real truth" (Us, others and you included). Personally I find this very human notion quite arrogant, because every time some one has proclaimed having the "answers" it turned out quite ugly or simply ridiculed. So in essence, I believe that we have too many "this is how it is ..." out there these days.

I see this in how people approach people like yourself and Kerry (even my self when I am around) and I keep thinking that people in a much larger extent should look inward to look for the answers, starting with "finding" your natural intuition. You should know I don't buy what Alfred says, Richard or anyone for that matter. Belief is formed by the mind and has very little in common with the actual truth except it being "your truth" (which I can respect).

I feel a lack of people taking the needed action and too many that want's to tell you "how things really is".

For example: Even though I personally did not buy the "Charles" persona I still listened to what was presented, having all the emotional reactions attached to it as well during the process. I must say I was quite pissed off at times, but still I find that information valuable because I can add it to my discernment skill's tool-box and be smarter the next time I look at information again.

And for the record, I had doubts about the elenin stuff simply because the data was only available from one source. It does not matter who that source was, but it was one and no-one could cross-check. I feel it is important to stand up and explain your-self when you make a wrong assumption or conclusion (when being a known figure). I do not hide my opinion on this fact.

As for Alfred, I simply thought that he deserved a better comment considering he has been in the field for a long time and he deserves credit for what he has done. Personally I do not find the Tolec information of any value, but truthfully the Tolec information is not the first thing I think of when thinking about Alfred.

Thanks for your response, well appreciated

Have a nice sunday

[Limor]

I have listened to less than ten minutes of the 'Tolec' information,and I found it unreliable.Alfred Webre,a well intentioned and well respected man wich done A LOT in the field,and is not in anyway dishonest,has chosen to present this 'testimony' as something worth listening to. I assume that every researcher is doing some initial filtering to what they chose to present to the public.as such,I find Bill's 'criticism' justified because at this level of 'truth seeking' a researcher needs to have his 'receptors' sharp,otherwise,well intentioned or not,he may contribute to giving some falsified information. since the dynamics of levels of awakening are changing all the time,hopefully intensifying,some discretion from the interviewer part is as important as the viewers making up their own minds,meaning,something got to be there (a striking level of truth,preferable with evidance in the information) in the first place.

I appreciate Alfred webre as a person and as a well respected 'truth seeker',but not as a 'source'.However I think both Bill and Seeingterra has valid points in their responses.
My 2c

~*&^~*&

Limor

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks for taking part everyone I did not think the interview would turn this controversial, my main focus was his work on the Kuala Lumpa war crimes tribunal as a Judge and the fact that
they found Blair & Bush guilty for 'crimes against peace' the same charges leveled against the Nazi's after WW11 at the Nuremburg trials. Next year they plan to do Chaney Rumsfedt and
some others. He spoke briefly how he got in to the field in 1972 ,also in 1975 congressman H B Gonzalas asked him to go to Washington and help him form a working commitee into the
deaths of JFK , Malcolm X and Martin Luther King, which resulted by the begining of 1976 with the establishment of the House select committe on assaccinations. He touched on a few other
subjects , but not 'Tolec' or if he did it was brief and I can't remember it.....

The interview as i said sounded fine and if Alfred is going up some blind alleys well thats up to him, and at least we know Bill won't be interviewng him any time soon....

Sorry for suggesting it....Steve..

[seeingterra]

Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
Thanks for taking part everyone I did not think the interview would turn this controversial, my main focus was his work on the Kuala Lumpa war crimes tribunal as a Judge and the fact that
they found Blair & Bush guilty for 'crimes against peace' the same charges leveled against the Nazi's after WW11 at the Nuremburg trials. Next year they plan to do Chaney Rumsfedt and
some others. He spoke briefly how he got in to the field in 1972 ,also in 1975 congressman H B Gonzalas asked him to go to Washington and help him form a working commitee into the
deaths of JFK , Malcolm X and Martin Luther King, which resulted by the begining of 1976 with the establishment of the House select committe on assaccinations. He touched on a few other
subjects , but not 'Tolec' or if he did it was brief and I can't remember it.....

The interview as i said sounded fine and if Alfred is going up some blind alleys well thats up to him, and at least we know Bill won't be interviewng him any time soon....

Sorry for suggesting it....Steve..

Thanks, you are right The posts so far has not really had anything to do with the original topic.

And I agree, everyone goes into a blind alley once in a while, all part of the process, so why the information was not discussed is beyond understanding.
I don't care about the Tolec relations, I would not use such a thing to under-mind a person. It would be like me saying to Bill that "because you believe the teachings of L. Ron Hubbard I don't recognize your opinion as a person".. Which obviously is not the case.

To much focus on all things attached to drama and ego while no (or little) weight is given to the actual material discussed.
Listen, discern, resonate - or not.. It is a process without fault!



My two cents only

[Cidersomerset]

Alfred is one of the five judges on the tribunal a very brave thing to do imho.....

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZxa0-IXl_U

[Cidersomerset]

This is very interresting, The Mayor of London warns JW he may get arrested in Europe....

Some great comments by Jonathan Turley.......Its a year old but still very relevent...imho.

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlK4iPSFSmY

This shows Bush & Blair may get their comeuppance just like Pinnochet and other ' war mongers'....

[onawah]

I listened to the Tolec interviews with interest, not at all because I believed everything that was being said, but because I think it is possible that Tolec and others actually do have direct contact with ETs via lucid dreaming and can have messages of value to bring back to us, should they have the courage to do so.
If Tolec actually is experiencing this, it doesn't necessarily follow that what he remembers is going to be free of his ego's filtering and coloring of the facts, however.

Perhaps Webre is also just trying to keep an open mind to this kind of phenomena and provide a venue for people who are having these kinds of experiences to share what they feel they have gained from it.
Even if Tolec has been the victim of some kind of intentional interference on the part of a psyops or some mischievous entity, it can be useful to at least hear his story and learn to see what telltale signs there might be of these possibilities.
Information of this kind is still in relatively short supply, and worth examining, even if it turns out not to be what it appears.

The mention of NESARA certainly was a red flag for me too, but it still doesn't necessarily mean that everything that Tolec said was delusional.
It may just be that he has not been able to separate what his own mind is telling him from what he experienced while having Contact with the Andromedans, if that is indeed what occurred.

Perhaps Webre is just taking an open minded approach and is not believing everything he hears either, but is politely allowing the focus of his interviews to be on the information being presented, without challenging it in any way.
He seems like a very courteous man, so I'm inclined to believe that rather than that he is so gullible as to believe everything he hears unreservedly along these lines.

This is just speculation, not based on any great knowledge of his work.
The tribunal work seems to me to be of obvious and indisputable value however, and I look forward to hearing more about it.

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Onawah...As I said I have not listened to the 'Tolec' material, maybe I will when I'm in the mood for reference.....Correct me if i'm wrong, are not a lot of
our witnesses claiming to either have contact with ET's either thru dreams , visions , etc...Like Alex Collier, Bob Dean , David Wilcock, Jorden Maxwell
George Green, David Icke (when he writes his books he says it just comes to him).. etc......I don't hold that against any of them and I take bits of info from all sources to try and add to my unravelling of the 'puzzle' of 'Life & the Universe'...

Steve...

[onawah]

I believe you are correct, Steve, though Tolec is not as yet well known and doesn't have the kind of reputation and connections that the others you named do, and has not written any books as yet that I am aware of, etc..

A lot of his information does sound very bogus, for example, he talks about two inhabited ET planets he claims will be entering our solar system, which sounds highly unlikely. and certainly has not been confirmed by anyone else that I am aware of.

There were only two reasons I was intrigued enough to listen to the interviews, one was because he was confirming some of the info from Fulford and Wilcock about the DUMBs being disabled, and the other was because Webre was taking the trouble to interview him, and he's obviously a very intelligent man, though as I said, I think his work has gone off on some pretty odd tangents of late, the tribunal excepted.

And Tolec didn't make any money from those interviews, as far as I know. He is an exec in the computer industry and is keeping his real name confidential, so it doesn't appear he is trying to get into the media circus...er....circuit.

The Tolec info was pretty inconsequential, on the whole, and I don't think it should detract in any way from this tribunal work that Webre is doing.
So hopefully we can get back to topic now, and thanks for bringing these videos, etc. to our attention, Steve!