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    Hi, All:

    On this new thread I welcome solid information about amateur ('ham') radio. Please assume I'm reasonably practical and intelligent -- but I have almost zero information, and no experience.

    I've never yet used amateur radio. For me, it's always been one of those "important-but-not-urgent" items. Now, it feels I need to get started.

    Camelot witness Henry Deacon, back in 2007, an experienced ham radio operator himself, used to hammer at Kerry and myself again and again to get a set -- and get ourselves trained and licensed.

    The original purpose of the Avalon Forum (founded towards the end of 2008) was to network, connect with local groups, exchange good information, and inform ourselves worldwide about preparing, equipping and establishing ourselves as what George Green called The Ground Crew.

    I'm starting to feel in my bones that this core purpose, without taking anything away from the rest of the forum, needs to be rekindled. This is one of the main items on which I have attention at the moment.

    With much appreciation -- Bill


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    Is "ham radio" same thing as "CB radio"? You know the kind the truck drivers use... There are some portable "pocket sized" models of CB radios. Some of them can be used without license. I too am preparing myself for getting off the mobile phone grid without sacrificing ability to communicate wirelessly with other beings
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    Quote Posted by Robert J. Niewiadomski (here)
    Is "ham radio" same thing as "CB radio"? You know the kind the truck drivers use... There are some portable "pocket sized" models of CB radios. Some of them can be used without license. I too am preparing myself for getting off the mobile phone grid without sacrificing ability to communicate wirelessly with other beings
    Not the same; HAM bounces the signal off the atmosphere.
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    Default Re: Ham radio information needed

    What do you need to know or start to do/organize ?

    Somehow we probably need a list of existing HAM radio operators ... or a special interest group.
    I've met other HAM radio operators on this forum ... but people are reluctant to exchange call signs because you can look up a lot of them
    via the internet and literally get to know who is who and where they live.

    Although I have no doubts that everything is monitored and some agencies exactly know who I am and where I live I can imagine
    that it still is another thing to share it with everybody publicly on the internet.

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    Default Re: Ham radio information needed

    Quote Posted by 13th Warrior (here)
    Quote Posted by Robert J. Niewiadomski (here)
    Is "ham radio" same thing as "CB radio"? You know the kind the truck drivers use... There are some portable "pocket sized" models of CB radios. Some of them can be used without license. I too am preparing myself for getting off the mobile phone grid without sacrificing ability to communicate wirelessly with other beings
    Not the same; HAM bounces the signal off the atmosphere.
    Ham radio can count on atmospherics for 'range', yes. depending on the level of excitement of the upper atmosphere, this can be part of the range or 'skip' of ham radio.

    In the lithium thread, there is a series of videos by Eric Dollard (sp?), on over unity conditions. One of his big or original aspects of coming into that arena..was that of Ham radio.

    And how he used ham radio set ups and minor shifts in the design to get to tremendous boosts in 'SWR', or signal intensity. A few watts, could get his signal very very far, as he was using longitudinal wave enhancement by 'punching' the ground level inductively. which is that thing I speak of with regard to additive harmonics, how they combine, like closing a set of scissors fast, with a marble sitting between the blades. the marble shoots out at incredible speed. Eric, having 'punched' the ground plane, like Thor's hammer, could cause a 'standard' modulation wave to appear as being huge, but all it was, is a few watts of ground plane punching. This is part of what Tesla did and part of what lighting strikes can do to the ground plane.

    If one thinks back to that image a tourist took of a shaft of light appearing above a Mexican pyramid..look closely. They will see the lightning strike in the background of the photo...
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    Default Re: Ham radio information needed

    Quote Posted by 13th Warrior (here)
    Quote Posted by Robert J. Niewiadomski (here)
    Is "ham radio" same thing as "CB radio"? You know the kind the truck drivers use... There are some portable "pocket sized" models of CB radios. Some of them can be used without license. I too am preparing myself for getting off the mobile phone grid without sacrificing ability to communicate wirelessly with other beings
    Not the same; HAM bounces the signal off the atmosphere.
    ... and is used for long-distance communications, even to the other side of the world. CB is very local, with a range of just a few miles.

    Henry Deacon always told us that ham radio can be used as a complete internet substitute... for communicating speech, audio, video, images, and text files of every kind.

    It can't easily be regulated or shut down: if the grid goes down, phones no longer work, or the internet is 'shut off' -- then ham radio will be the only way to send messages to other communities or other countries.

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    Default Re: Ham radio information needed

    I used to be licensed but let it expire. I would think that requirements might differ from country to country so I would suggest you look here, Bill.
    http://www.rsgb.org/

    It's an expense to get started and there is no privacy, you are always monitored by the gov't and other users so you must follow the rules at all times, like announcing your call signal every 15 minutes. But it is wonderful to talk to people from all over and you will be a great asset in the event of a major emergency. Best of luck.

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    If HAM uses ionosphere for bouncing signal around the planet, HAARP can suppress that propagation by altering ionosphere properties. After all it is official purpose of HAARP and similiar facilities around our planet.
    Quote HAARP is a scientific endeavor aimed at studying the properties and behavior of the ionosphere, with particular emphasis on being able to understand and use it to enhance communications and surveillance systems for both civilian and defense purposes.
    Source: http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/haarp/gen.html

    If you can enhance something, you can easily hinder it.
    Best wishes and free energy to all
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    Quote Posted by Hermite (here)
    I used to be licensed but let it expire. I would think that requirements might differ from country to country so I would suggest you look here, Bill.
    http://www.rsgb.org/

    It's an expense to get started and there is no privacy, you are always monitored by the gov't and other users so you must follow the rules at all times, like announcing your call signal every 15 minutes. But it is wonderful to talk to people from all over and you will be a great asset in the event of a major emergency. Best of luck.
    The licience conditions are very strict. If you intend to get a licience and keep it, you will have to be careful about what sort of language and subjects you 'air'.

    Keep your powder dry until you need it.

    I think the member here who uses the handle 'Harley Hawkins' is a veteran ham and knows the situation very well.


    Edit to add:

    I have a couple of general coverage AM recievers here with a big "H" antenna in my roof space. I've never had a transmitter but listening used be very interesting until so many stations vanished in recent years.

    If any of you want to experiment with test signal transmissions, I could coordinate with you to listen out for the signal and give you some feedback. ( any AM signal up to 30 MHz ). My position on the globe is in north east england.
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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by 13th Warrior (here)
    Quote Posted by Robert J. Niewiadomski (here)
    Is "ham radio" same thing as "CB radio"? You know the kind the truck drivers use... There are some portable "pocket sized" models of CB radios. Some of them can be used without license. I too am preparing myself for getting off the mobile phone grid without sacrificing ability to communicate wirelessly with other beings
    Not the same; HAM bounces the signal off the atmosphere.
    ... and is used for long-distance communications, even to the other side of the world. CB is very local, with a range of just a few miles.

    Henry Deacon always told us that ham radio can be used as a complete internet substitute... for communicating speech, audio, video, images, and text files of every kind.

    It can't easily be regulated or shut down: if the grid goes down, phones no longer work, or the internet is 'shut off' -- then ham radio will be the only way to send messages to other communities or other countries.
    CB stands for Citizen Band and doesn't require a FCC license unless you have a more powerful transmitter that is capable of transmitting more than a few miles esp. if it's a marine radio; these can be fairly simple hand held devices but, require a FCC license.
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    What do you need to know or start to do/organize ?
    Personally -- I'd like to know what to buy that's powerful, not too expensive, and operable by an intelligent novice. (Henry warned us against some models that are technically excellent, but not that simple to master due to their sophistication.)

    I'd also welcome information about ham radio stations that are lightweight and portable, and which can operate on solar power.

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    I have an emergency radio system, but am not licensed so I don't talk on it. All you have to do is get a handle and license then start playing with it. They are very good for communicating.

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by 13th Warrior (here)
    Quote Posted by Robert J. Niewiadomski (here)
    Is "ham radio" same thing as "CB radio"? You know the kind the truck drivers use... There are some portable "pocket sized" models of CB radios. Some of them can be used without license. I too am preparing myself for getting off the mobile phone grid without sacrificing ability to communicate wirelessly with other beings
    Not the same; HAM bounces the signal off the atmosphere.
    ... and is used for long-distance communications, even to the other side of the world. CB is very local, with a range of just a few miles.

    Henry Deacon always told us that ham radio can be used as a complete internet substitute... for communicating speech, audio, video, images, and text files of every kind.

    It can't easily be regulated or shut down: if the grid goes down, phones no longer work, or the internet is 'shut off' -- then ham radio will be the only way to send messages to other communities or other countries.
    I think the differences are based on other things ...

    CB is an abbreviation of Citizen Band ... it's a more open (but in some countries still bound to registration/license) category of radio communication for everyone (citizens above a certain age).

    HAM (I do not know the origin of that acronym besides AM is probably related to AMateur) is a category of radio users/operators specifically to do experiments in designated bands.

    CB is in a lot of countries based on 27 MHz / 11 Meter wavelength channels. The propagation of this frequency can be quite good but it is often due to
    the channels being crowded and immature behavior that the range is very limited. I've modified such a set once (way back when) to be used on 10 Meters / 29 Mhz
    in a HAM radio band. While even using just 2 Watts and FM (Frequency Modulation) I was able to contact Japan and the US from (my location then) the Netherlands.
    I think they introduced a new CB band on UHF (450 MHz ?) too ... but UHF will definitely be short range under most circumstances.

    HAM radio bands stretch from 1.8 Mhz (HF) to tens and hundreds of Ghz (SHF) in designated bands. In most countries you have to pass an exam to be officially licensed.
    There are licenses in different levels ... in some countries it is still required to pass a morse code exam before being allowed to the HF bands.

    One of the best bands to communicate worldwide is 20 Meters / 14 Mhz. The most widely used modulation there is USB (Upper Side Band). A very effective way for
    speech communication.

    One 'formal' drawback is that since being licensed you have agreed to follow the rules. And one of them is that you are generally not allowed to talk with
    e.g. HAM operators of countries that are at war etc. So depending on how 'formal' the resulting world will become ... the effectiveness of the license will be.

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    Ham radio or Amatuer radio is a good way of making contact, not just around the world, but also moon bounce Eart Moon Earth and lots of other ways to commuicate . It can be expensive or cheap if you know what to look for . You need to get yourselves on a course or read some books on the subject, basic radios second hand can cost as lttle as £100.00 upto £1000's . No matter how good your radio is , it's the aerial that does most the work . A basic wire aerial cost very little and can even be made quite easily. If nothing else, learn about SWR (standing wave ratio). If it hits the fan licences will be of little or no use , but knowing how to use ham radio could save your life. Most world wide communications take place on mainly 3 HF frequencies 14.00Mhz , 7Mhz and 3.5Mhz upwards , this is by no means all the bands but are the most common . CB radio has a good range and can be used for world wide comms but you have to know how to do this and what radio's to buy. Ham radio isn't monitored these days like it used to be , it's self policing now . But I'm sure all that will go out the window when the reset comes .

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by Operator (here)
    What do you need to know or start to do/organize ?
    Personally -- I'd like to know what to buy that's powerful, not too expensive, and operable by an intelligent novice. (Henry warned us against some models that are technically excellent, but not that simple to master due to their sophistication.)

    I'd also welcome information about ham radio stations that are lightweight and portable, and which can operate on solar power.
    John Waterman promotes this one:

    http://www.yaesu.com/indexVS.cfm?cmd...5&isArchived=0



    It looks like there is a newer model too: FT-897D

    I think those are very complete and nice but .... they will be very sensitive to EMP too ... and difficult to repair.

    Compared to those this is an ugly, pompous and old beast:



    But is easier to repair:


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    Heres a great site for beginners

    http://www.hamuniverse.com/setuphamstation.html

    also you might find george's call sign here

    http://call-signs.findthebest.com/
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    Both good choices Operator , but for myself I would go more with 1990's small mobile HF set . Reasons, only 12volts ,can be used in a car or on a bench with battery or solar cells or wind gene, connected to the 12v battery . Easy to use in the field, much easier to hide if you have to and preferably with an ATU connected to a wire aerial . You can pick one up off ebay for a song .
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    Default Re: Ham radio information needed

    Hello Bill and Everyone
    I have been associated with Radio All of my life, at least Short wave radio Listener (SWL) to which I used to listen to the world, and became very interested in becoming a ham, but I never really got the time to take it further, for starters CB is NOT Ham Radio, to obtain your ham license each country of the world you must sit for a license for the 3 grades of license here in Australia the licenses are know as 1. NAOCP Novice Amateur Certificate of Proficientcy 2. LAOCP Limited Amateur Operator certificate of Profientcy and 3 AOCP Amateur operator certificate of Proficientcy this is the full CALL this is where the Operator can transmit and receiver on all BANDS allocated to the HAMS.

    The License consists of learning Morse code and a high level of knowledge of electronics more than just curiosity.

    Around the world there are Radio societies in Australia it's called the Wireless Institute of Australia in the US it's called ARRL Amateur Radio Relay League and in Britain it is called RSGB Radio society of Great Britain. Back in the early 70's I heard of People that had procured 27 Meg radios (11 Meters) and had stolen this band from the hams this later became the CB to which I had a lot of fun as well.

    If you are interest in trying to become a ham I suggest you google WIA or ARRL or RSGB to obtain the current requirements for the various licence's
    Its really a great hobby and alot of friends around the world can be made,
    I hope this was of some use.
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