Skyfish of nasa tether incident don juan's mudshadows?

[Davidallany]

Posted by chiquetet (here)

Posted by Davidallany (here)
I am not saying its not possible, I just have not seen any mention, not in the slightest bit of those flyers, not in Islam, not in Buddhisim and not in Hinduism. Why were the alleged information relating to them was lost from all schools? And where is the proof that some of them have been discovered lately?
It's difficult to believe that Jesus, Moses, Siddhartha and countless sorceres and shamans, talked about everything from paradise to fires of hell, but neglected to point out the real? reason behind humanity's trouble.

The Nag Hammadi scriptures, that talk about the Archons were discovered in 1945 or 47 or so.
http://www.jayweidner.com/Archons.html
Good questions anyways, I can only speculate, as I said, some might have been lost, then teaching humanity is a delicate issue, it might have been advantageous to focus mainly on other issues in the last millenia, also as a move to cosy the predator along, to give them a false sense of security, while formenting an evolution under the radar, all speculations...
The New Testament is still intruiging on this day, but when I read the Dead Sea Scrolls or the Talmud of Jmmanuel, it seems to me, that nevertheless the story of the Nazarene had been altered significantly in the current version of the Bible, how exactly the alteration and loss of information came about, is surely a great story, but I cannot tell you facts, I only heard about conciles, that edited the Bible in the past and that may only be the tip of the iceberg.

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I see auras not only on people, but on plants, places etc. and sometimes rather big auras without any body attached to it just going around, I also saw black ones that look very much like the mudshadows. I am not obsessed at all with watching all the auric activity, I want to add, although it's an intruiging view, I usually have other things on my mind. (The stuff in italics is a paradox, isn't it? )

Can you describe the method you use to see the shadows? I want to try it. Because right now I am in my semi-dark room, alone and scared :*[ . I don't want us to be food, Humanity is too pretty for that :]

[Davidallany]

Posted by Nora (here)

Posted by Flash (here)

Posted by Davidallany (here)
If Carlos's story about what Don Juan had revealed to him was true, then why are these creatures not mentioned in Hinduism, Bonism or Buddhism? Although these spiritual schools emphasis on inner silence, and one of them involves heavy use of magic, they fail to mention a predatory non-organic beings who feed on Humans energy.
I have seen a glowing object one evening in my parents' garden. It was roughly the size of a male's fist about 3-5 meters above ground, it appeard all of the sudden from my right side as though it was moving already but not visible then it vanished over where I was sitting with my mom. I have no idea what the object was, it troubled me to think about it, so I forgot it, until some time ago here on Avalon when someone mentioned orbs. Things like that are scary to a child.

Actually our Neighbors back then claim to have seen a black shadow resembling a woman but bigger, climbing like a gecko the side of the their house, thus throwing tremndouse fear into their hearts. But I can't verify this story.

Your comments seem surprising to me. What about the common talk of demons, evil spirits, possession, well, name it, our cultures are full of trying to describe the undescribable.

In Middle East they are Jinns, in Asia demons, etc.

What about all these feeding and offerings to the gods. Shrines all over India are full of offerings, often food offerings. Mayan Indian would even sacrifice human beings to the gods. Actually trying to physically feed them. It would appease the Gods and make them more clement.

We have been feeding them for a very long time in all over the earth mythologies.

What if these gods were not physical as we believe it?

The Tibetan Buddhist use fire puga to feed the hungry ghosts -the are not physical they live in the lower astral planes. They are attracted to Our. Negative thoughts, emotions and energy created from ones actions and any type of neurosis one might have. During a fire puga the hungry ghosts collect above you in a grouping about 20 to a 100 feet high. They feed off of the smoke. There can be hundreds to thousands of them. When the ceremony is done the hungry ghosts are either destroyed or vibrationallt tuned to a higher realm and consciousness. This is done through prayer, energy focus and the smoke.

Physical plane parasites are different they will find a host or someone to attach to. are difficult to get rid of... They usually live in 3 planes one below us, the earth and next astral.. 2 ways I know of to get rid of them. They are tricky and will hide. Complete focus a switch and energy see it for what it is This is where dreaming and stalking come in..... Move into and change the dream. Your mind and level of consciousness have a lot to do with it .

Then there are reptilian hybrids usually they are lighter green, small ears, medium eyes, medium slight build, around 6 to 7 ft tall some are reptilian/human and some are reptilian/other species-alien. They travel on this dimension/plane 4d/plane and the lower planes.... They are creepy and irritating. The only way I know how to get rid of them is tell them to leave -they will and leave your space

Then there are the reptilians. Green big eyes tall and a bit intimidating and aggressive. If they won't leave your space then it's best you leave.

Hope this helps some

Nora

We are all related

Buddhisim is unclear on how the hungry ghost feed and on what. The description of a hungry ghost in Buddhisim is that of a being with huge stomach, long neck and a very small mouth. I have not seen such a being so I always thought its a way of controlling people, creat a scary monster who only those with knowledge can render it harmless, upon which they get paid.
I am not saying such beings can't exist, I just have not seen/felt them.

[ponda]

Trying to see them might be a futile endeavor.It might be more beneficial to try to notice their influence on the mind and lessen their impact.

[Davidallany]

Posted by ponda (here)
Trying to see them might be a futile endeavor.It might be more beneficial to try to notice their influence on the mind and lessen their impact.

Why futile? Other people can see them. There must be a method to achiving that end.

[DNA]

Posted by Davidallany (here)
I am not saying its not possible, I just have not seen any mention, not in the slightest bit of those flyers, not in Islam, not in Buddhisim and not in Hinduism. Why were the alleged information relating to them was lost from all schools? And where is the proof that some of them have been discovered lately?
It's difficult to believe that Jesus, Moses, Siddhartha and countless sorceres and shamans, talked about everything from paradise to fires of hell, but neglected to point out the real? reason behind humanity's trouble.

I've never knowingly seen a mudshadow as described by Castaneda. But I've seen some crazy sh!t in my time. I give credit to Castaneda's open eye gazing techniques for strengthening my third eye and making it possible for me to see some of the things I have seen.

My problem with the religions you mentioned is they never give you a technique for interfacing with the universe and understanding it for yourself.
Even the Tibetan Book of the Dead didn't really give techniques for expanding consciousness, just descriptions and things one can expect.

1. Place a rock in the sun and stare at the shadow. The aim is to stare until you your brain steps out of gear and your internal dialogue shuts off.
When your internal dialogue shuts off the world becomes an amazing mystery, the mystery that it really is, because try as we might to label our world, it is really a wonderfull unknown amazing thing.
2. Then move on to staring at small pebbles. I personally like bits of granite. Bury them if possible when you are done. There are some weird things in our world and leaving energetic tell tale markers around for them is a bad idea. I ignored this advice Castaneda gives in his books and instead stared at protrusions from my ceiling, and protrusians from a statue, both instances were marked with undesireables using these instances to locate me.

I appreciate your taking the role of Devil's Advocate here David.

[DNA]

Posted by Davidallany (here)
Buddhisim is unclear on how the hungry ghost feed and on what. The description of a hungry ghost in Buddhisim is that of a being with huge stomach, long neck and a very small mouth. I have not seen such a being so I always thought its a way of controlling people, creat a scary monster who only those with knowledge can render it harmless, upon which they get paid.
I am not saying such beings can't exist, I just have not seen/felt them.

If you haven't seen a ghost, I kind of started a thread for just this kind of thing. How To See A Ghost For Your Self
Just for the record, I think all ghosts on our plane of existance are hungry ghosts.
And pretty much any interaction you have with them will be based on your feeding them.

[ponda]

Davidallany said:

Why futile?

Ok then suppose you do actually get to see one.Then what....

I hope you succeed in spotting one btw if that's what you want

[christian]

Posted by Davidallany (here)
Can you describe the method you use to see the shadows? I want to try it. Because right now I am in my semi-dark room, alone and scared :*[ . I don't want us to be food, Humanity is too pretty for that :]

Come on, you got to be kidding, you know what effect it has on you to be fearful and scared

I was told by a friend in a rather intimate moment, that she sees auras and I was totally intruiged. From that day on, I was bent on seeing it for myself and by the time it worked, sometimes not so good, sometimes very good, but better and better overall (like the rising silver price )

I did not intend on seeing any auras without bodies or seeing mudshadows, I just noticed them eventually. By now, I usually only notices the permanent colors of auras, if they are really intense, otherwise I mostly perceive (don't know why, though) the minute changes in the aura, the very current thoughts and emotions manifesting as colors around the body but especially from the shoulders upwards.

So the way I got there, was just the intent to see energy and I think it's important to add, that I did not fear anything during the process, like a baby would not fear a lion and maybe this way even protect itself from being a victim. I know and feel that there is a spark 'within myself' that is totally indestructable, that's my fulcrum.

[Davidallany]

Thank you for the opportunity to contribute here, DNA. This subject blows away the devil himself. I am taking it very seriously and will pursue any available data related to it. I don't want no non physical bug sucking the life out of us.

[Rahkyt]

You can see them in the dark, as Casteneda describes. Stillness of the mind and body with eyes open, paying attention to the corners of your vision. They are the darkness against the darkness. Since you know about them now, they will dance for you too, it seems to be a kind of nefarious teasing, designed to elicit fear and return you to a state of submission. This is not some external entity that we are speaking of. It is with you now, with us, now. It is the dialogue within your mind that speaks, that you think is your voice but it is not. We speak of it here in the abstract but it is intimately familiar to us. I rather think that we do see them as children and that we learn to not see them eventually or to ignore them.

[Bryn ap Gwilym]

Speaking of shadows. Reminds me of an episode from Doctor Who - Silence in the library

The reason why even the Doctor is wary of shadows & now snaps his fingers to open the door to the TARDIS for its light.

Folk who havn't seen Doctor Who may be shocked at some of the things this series does cover.
Are they trying to get info out?

[Nora]

Posted by Rahkyt (here)
You can see them in the dark, as Casteneda describes. Stillness of the mind and body with eyes open, paying attention to the corners of your vision. They are the darkness against the darkness. Since you know about them now, they will dance for you too, it seems to be a kind of nefarious teasing, designed to elicit fear and return you to a state of submission. This is not some external entity that we are speaking of. It is with you now, with us, now. It is the dialogue within your mind that speaks, that you think is your voice but it is not. We speak of it here in the abstract but it is intimately familiar to us. I rather think that we do see them as children and that we learn to not see them eventually or to ignore them.

Yes turn off the internal dialogue -the voice of knowledge hence the power of silence and "seeing" is not about seeing with eyes.... It's About seeing with your true nature.

And if a traditionalist charges you money they are probably not worth a salt

I was giving you an example David. -fire is a great purifier. A. Teacher knows that you know -they trick you to teach you. To own your own power and to connect to the Source of All

Nora

We are all related

[Elethia]

This subject brings up something that has puzzled me. That is, the reasoning behind human sacrifice and its purpose. There is a story that two groups of Mayan's once went to war over the issue to make human sacrifice or not. The one's who supported sacrifice won. And so it goes.

When you think of the Aztecs sacrificing 20,000 or more in a day, ripping out beating hearts and holding them up to 'feed' the gods. This idea of 'feeding' the gods, was it inserted in human minds from these beings? Imagine the horror and terror unleashed in such a spectacle. A fear feast if ever there was one.

I believe our freedom from such 'intrusions' is the mastery of our emotions which comes from understanding what triggers them and why. Balance, peace and clarity is all the protection we need. (Or that is the goal I'm working on. Anything more and it gets too complicated for me.)

[Flash]

There was a thread that was talking about shadows seen from the corner of the eye. People were seeing them more and more. Is this related to the archons and other feeding shadow like entities, who knows, but here is the thread

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...eye#post171456

[DNA]

Posted by Rahkyt (here)
You can see them in the dark,

This becomes a topic of debate. Not that you are seeing something in the dark, but what are you seeing in the dark?

I have found that I can take folks who have had literally no training and little meditation practice, put them in a completely dark room, and with a manuever here or there, get them to see a ghost for themselves. Of the folks who didn't freak out and run out of the room, most folks reported seeing a reddish blob. I personally think ghosts are around us all the time.
I would guess there is a ghost within your proximity 80% of the day.

Posted by Rahkyt (here)
Stillness of the mind and body with eyes open, paying attention to the corners of your vision.They are the darkness against the darkness.

Even here, I personally do think there are shadow creatures, but I have not come to the conclusian as to wether they are the fliers Don Juan talks about.
I had a front row interaction with a shadow person once, and from all indicators, if he was a Don Juan flier, he certainly didn't know it.
He had a very human mind with very human emotions, fears and reactions. My Interactions With A Shadow Being.

Posted by Rahkyt (here)
Since you know about them now, they will dance for you too, it seems to be a kind of nefarious teasing, designed to elicit fear and return you to a state of submission. This is not some external entity that we are speaking of. It is with you now, with us, now. It is the dialogue within your mind that speaks, that you think is your voice but it is not. We speak of it here in the abstract but it is intimately familiar to us. I rather think that we do see them as children and that we learn to not see them eventually or to ignore them.

You know Rahkyt, I hope you don't mind, but while I was reading this, I heard Lawrence Fishbourne's voice monologuing it, while he was rolling a metallic pill box through his fingers.
I agree with what your saying here, only I would genaralize what is being seen to a vast and unexplored fauna of inorganic life. There appears to be benevolant inorganic life in the form of nature spirits, elf and gnome like beings to name a few, and there seem to be malavelant inorganic life, focused on attaining it's nutrition from our life force.

I like what Micheal Harner states after his experience with the vine of truth. "that there were "dragons" huge whale like creatures who stated that they started all life on earth and hide within the vast manifestations of it on our planet".

For me,,,,I have always correlated what Harner stated here to Castaneda's fliers, and in my mind, these huge whale like creatures live in a state of perpetual non-life, how HP LOVECRAFT describes the old ones. "that is not dead that can eternal lie, yet with strange aeons even death may die". This famous one liner of his is very accurate in describing the fourth dimension in my mind. And it wouldn't suprise me at all if these reptillian like whales existed in this fashion, attached to each and every one of us and corded accordingly.

In my mind it is the cord, the tether Don Juan is describing when he talks about the fliers. A living connection of sorts to the Whale Dragons who live perpetually and yet, do not live at all. Parasitic gods

[DNA]

I have noted in my explorations that parasitic entities seem to be, impeded in their travel by dense matter. Cinder blocks and granite come to mind.

The difficulty isn't in passing through such substances, but passing through them without losing the "energy" they stole from their human hosts.

Could this be why so many ET bases are located deep underground? Could this be why we have mythological societies like that under Mt. Shasta living quite comfortably underground with no envy what so ever of those who reside in the open air and sunlight? Are these underground bases "protection" from the fliers?

[johnf]

Posted by Davidallany (here)

Posted by ponda (here)

Davidallany said:

True, I thought of that before actually posting my first post, that's why I mentioned another school of sorcery and magic, namely Bonism.

Well the same logic might apply to Bonism as well as other ritualistic and esoteric groups if the parasite theory is true.I could be wrong but i think that the only groups or belief systems that had any info about them were Gnosticism and Shamanicism.There quite possibly were others as well.Also you could very well be correct that they are indeed mentioned in other religions texts etc but it might depend on interpretation or reading between the lines etc

This is assuming that mind parasites are separate and different from demons etc

It seems that we are going in a circle now, maybe it's the flyers' mind hard at work. But I can't prove it.

The majority of writings on gnosticism were burned, the teachers were hunted down, imprisoned and killed. The mesoamericans were used for slave labor and many of them died, thier teachings lived on in secret until Carlos Casteneda and others started writing about them. That is probably why you don't see these beliefs in most religions these days. Systematic elimination, and replacement with watered down beliefs.

[modwiz]

Frank Zappa said they were mudsharks.

I disagree.

[Rahkyt]

Posted by DNA (here)
I have noted in my explorations that parasitic entities seem to be, impeded in their travel by dense matter. Cinder blocks and granite come to mind.

The difficulty isn't in passing through such substances, but passing through them without losing the "energy" they stole from their human hosts.

Could this be why so many ET bases are located deep underground? Could this be why we have mythological societies like that under Mt. Shasta living quite comfortably underground with no envy what so ever of those who reside in the open air and sunlight? Are these underground bases "protection" from the fliers?

This is directly in line with my contention that even physicl ETs must be affected by these non-material entities. The modus operandi of the Fliers, "they gave us their mind", express emotional ranges that seem to run the gamut of the extra-terrestrial species much the same way as they do in humanity. Perhaps they have another name for them, or perhaps they are 'not allowed' to talk about them to humans or, perhaps their multi-dimensional awarenesses have found effective ways to deal with them.

[toad]

Posted by ponda (here)
Trying to see them might be a futile endeavor.It might be more beneficial to try to notice their influence on the mind and lessen their impact.

Sounds like a self fulfilling proposition. Naturally I'm highly skeptical. I should however disclaim the fact that I truly believe there are entities out there, call it spirits/souls/ghosts/Multidimensional Non - Organic beings/Djin/etc... I've had some highly intense experiences with a lil known compound called n,n-dmt, the same compound utilized in alot of amazonian tribes via a brew called ayahuasca. The experiences I was left with shattered most of what I felt about this universe, and left me touched in a way I can't really begin to describe. Have any of you experimented with n,n-dmt or aya?