Duncan O’Finioan vs Richard C. Hoagland and wife

[randymaugans]

[QUOTE=Elixer;379918]Hi Randy.

I have say sorry, if I inferred anything about "you", personally with regard to RCH and others as icons---the threads get hard to parse. Yes, RCH, Wilcock and some others seem to have great media access, esp. on C2C---I think you can infer that I do not respect C2C, but then, it WAS groundbreaking back in the Art Bell days. How much great work is done by anyone should be assessed on the merits of results, accuracy, and integrity. As an interviewer I understand that at any time I can wind up with a guest who is blowing smoke, but frankly, I am so small that the climbers won't bother with me.

What I see in the "alternative media" is the same thing I see in mainstream: a coterie of favorite guests who only need to show up and be smarmy enough to keep folks entertained. I see the inherent desire to scale up the media ladder, have large audiences, and ascend to the same status as those "Hollywood" types...it's human nature. On the other hand, I suffered through the Michael Vara interview with Gary...it was painful to listen. No mainstream show would tolerate it, but it was authentic. Ditto for Kerry's brilliant late night phone call with a very scattered Anthony Sanchez...wonderfully raw.

Now. Was the James Horak interview edited? Yes. I have the luxury of editing, I also have the luxury of allowing people to do very long format interviews. Not all of the interview is relevant, and I do try to maintain some time restraints in the final audio due to file size and streaming bandwidth. In this case, we had another producer working on a video that would go on YouTube, so certain considerations were given to relative brevity without sacrificing the essential character of the interview.

But---that interview was produced from ONE conversation, and nothing was added to or taken from the discussion...and all was in sequence and context. As I recall, we were also suffering very bad Skype signal on that one. James Horak approved the final show, and the video was produced independently by Shuny. I have had many conversations with James, including another interview we did on the Ringmakers of Saturn/EMVs. In all cases, even in private chats, James is articulate, well thought out, and very fluent in his subject matter. In NO case, at any time, have I stitched together conversations to form an interview, or to reformulate what is presented.

I have no objections to you asking, these are fair questions. I suppose I am "public" in as I put myself out there. I certainly hope my listeners would use discernment and call BS if they hear it---and they do. Thanks for asking, my friend.


Thanks for responding.
First off, I wouldn't say RCH is an icon of mine, but I think it can objectively be said that he is a high profile personality in the Alternative Media.
That's what I mean by 'icon' and I think it is generally understood this way. Are you thinking of 'idol'?
Even then, I think both RCH and DW have done enough great work for some people to become fans or followers of their work.
It seems you are implying the same thing you accuse Kerry of doing, that those who follow these people or hold them up as their icons have been seriously fooled...('serious issues')

I don't want to derail the topic, but could you explain a little bit about the nature and extent of the edits done on that august interview with James Horak?
From what I hear, they appear to be quite extensive, to the point where one might think the entire interview was stitched together from another audio source.
For one thing there are no 'uhs' and 'uhms' in there. I've heard interviews of his where he is far less fluent. Maybe he was just on a roll?
In either case it was a very well crafted interview.

I don't mean to scrutinize you, but you are a public figure

[modwiz]

Posted by Cartomancer (here)
I think that Asshat or Jackwagon would be a great name for a punk band. Anyone?

Are there still punk bands?

[Star Tsar]

My sentiments exactly watchZEITGEISTnow...

[Cartomancer]

Posted by modwiz (here)

Posted by Cartomancer (here)
I think that Asshat or Jackwagon would be a great name for a punk band. Anyone?

Are there still punk bands?

I guess what passes for punk today is too musical to be considered punk. I'm old enough to have worn a few skinny ties while I was pogoing. So old that I sit here enjoying some smooth jazz as I write this! I guess Jackwagon could also be a cow punk band name!

Anyhew, I hope Duncan and the rest of the gang settle their differences with out the use of such expletives. I guess I have now officially added these two terms to my lexicon. They're keepers!

[HaveBlue]

You're not thinking of the band Green Day are you modwiz? Surely not! I thought their song 'Don't want to be an American Idiot' which is not on their first album sums up the situation here rather well!

Disclaimer: Not all Americans are idiots and this post is for entertainment purposes only.

[modwiz]

Posted by HaveBlue (here)
You're not thinking of the band Green Day are you modwiz? Surely not! I thought their song 'Don't want to be an American Idiot' which is not on their first album sums up the situation here rather well!

Disclaimer: Not all Americans are idiots and this post is for entertainment purposes only.

No. Great band. I admire the depth of writing and musicianship.

American Idiot. Perfect!

[HaveBlue]

Posted by karelia (here)
It is possible to agree to disagree, yes? And you're right. It's gone off topic.

RMorgan, are you saying because I'm a moderator, I'm not entitled to my opinion, or that I should not speak my opinion freely? I'm not just a moderator; I'm also a forum member.

Not being very clear about the position you are posting from, be it member or admin/mod is confusing at best and could in some cases be considered by some to be misleading and a conflict of interest.
Surely you would have had guidance/direction on this exact issue when you joined the mod team and to make it clear which 'hat' you are wearing at the time?
Otherwise you will find yourself constantly explaining your position to those to whom it is not obvious.
You mods have a hard enough job as it is I would've thought without having to take the time to expalin yourself like this on a constant basis. Especially to those not familiar with 'how it works'.
And while I have your attention, thank you for doing a rather thankless task that must take up alot of your time and energy. All forums need mods. good ones that is. good ones have good mods.

[karelia]

Posted by HaveBlue (here)
Not being very clear about the position you are posting from, be it member or admin/mod is confusing at best and could in some cases be considered by some to be misleading and a conflict of interest.
Surely you would have had guidance/direction on this exact issue when you joined the mod team and to make it clear which 'hat' you are wearing at the time?
Otherwise you will find yourself constantly explaining your position to those to whom it is not obvious.
You mods have a hard enough job as it is I would've thought without having to take the time to explain yourself like this on a constant basis. Especially to those not familiar with 'how it works'.
And while I have your attention, thank you for doing a rather thankless task that must take up alot of your time and energy. All forums need mods. good ones that is. good ones have good mods.

Thank you for pointing the not very clear bit out; it hadn't even crossed my mind. I will, with immediate effect, make an effort to start a post with ~mod hat on~ if I speak as a mod. Will that work?

Thank you also for your kind words. It can be at times a bit thankless, but most of the time it is rewarding to see members grow on their journey for the truth.

[mountain_jim]

Duncan has joined and posted. Welcome to Avalon!

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/memb...ncan-O-Finioan

[Kristin]

Glad to see Duncan here, funny how the drama on the Wilcock thread is flying while the man with the real threat to his life (Duncan) has entered centre stage with little fanfare. All for the best I think. I think I'd prefer it that way myself.
From the Heart,
Wormhole

[corson]

duncan is now a member of avalon forum. i'm sure that he will be visiting this thread soon, if he hasn't already.
warmest, corson

mountain_jim, sorry didn't see that this had already been posted.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

I am glad Duncan has joined. Much better to have conversations WITH people than ABOUT them.

[Calz]

Posted by Wormhole (here)
Glad to see Duncan here, funny how the drama on the Wilcock thread is flying while the man with the real threat to his life has entered centre stage with little fanfare. All for the best I think. I think I'd prefer it that way myself.
From the Heart,
Wormhole

If you read the follow-up it would be clear Duncan made no threat for harm or life to Wilcock.

He clearly has issue (as others do) regarding his message but don't distort the meaning.

Let us welcome Duncan with open arms as he has offered much to us.

[Kristin]

[QUOTE=Calz_Avaretard;381246]

Posted by Wormhole (here)
Glad to see Duncan here, funny how the drama on the Wilcock thread is flying while the man with the real threat to his life has entered centre stage with little fanfare. All for the best I think. I think I'd prefer it that way myself.
From the Heart,
Wormhole

"If you read the follow-up it would be clear Duncan made no threat for harm or life to Wilcock."

I have read the follow up, thank you for the clarification in case anyone else misconstrued what I mean which is: that I do not believe that the ongoing threat to Wilcock's life (which is presently the drama on other threads) is real. I believe it is real to David, poor guy, but I think he fell into the wrong crowd and is being duped by them. However, the threat to Duncan's life I believe was real and significant.
From the Heart,
Wormhole

Calz, you can read my prior posts if you need further clarification on the subject. Thank you.

[KellyNUTS]

WOW, ive spent the last few hours reading every post in this thread. Either there are more agents in this forum than legitimate members or ALOT(not all) are still very deeply programmed people! Oh and very LAZY people also! So many expecting to get spoon fed everything!
/rant

Back on topic:

To quote Kerry:

But I too have an agenda.. a light side agenda..and there are a number of people who are serving the light even when they think they are serving the dark! Not many people recognize this.

Is it possible that YOU could be serving the dark when YOU think YOU are serving the light?
I know Kerry has good intentions, but sometimes its as if she is being negatively manipulated.
Also nice choice of words "serving"....

I humbly thank Bill & Kerry(& all of their true whistleblowers) for EVERYTHING they have done, I have been following them from their very 1st collaboration, the Mr. X interview, been following them ever since and have watched every video interview AT LEAST twice! I still continue to support them and I hope to for a long time yet....BUT I seriously think Kerry needs to address the "Mad Martian" situation properly, not with babbling about how whistleblowers are read psychically. Thats something u would expect from Fox News if it were in this type of field

Also if this situation was addressed properly from the start this sh!t wouldnt have gotten out of hand like it has now and seems like it will continue to do so!
Not to mention that the way this is being handled doesnt add up, the only 2 conclusions so far that I can see is that Hoagland has something beneficial for Kerry being the reason why she is aligning herself with him so strongly. Maybe something as simple as keeping him "onbaord" for his fanbase. Or that Kerry has emotional ties(no, not romantic) and is having a hard time let go, we've all most likely been down this road before, with friendships and/or relationships.

Im glad Duncan(& Miranda as well?) jumped on board with this topic, because before he did I didnt see this ending properly, but now there is hope we will get to the bottom of this and who better than someone who is straight down the line!



...
The 2012 story arc is coming to an end, pay attention, the next story arc will start revealing itself shortly... if it hasnt already.

PS: Anyone else see the hypocrisy in the censoring of "rude" words in this type of forum?

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Posted by Wormhole (here)
Glad to see Duncan here, funny how the drama on the Wilcock thread is flying while the man with the real threat to his life (Duncan) has entered centre stage with little fanfare. All for the best I think. I think I'd prefer it that way myself.
From the Heart,
Wormhole

Welcome Duncan for sure but hey Wormhole, is there a competiton of some sorts?

[Kristin]

Posted by transiten (here)

Posted by Wormhole (here)
Glad to see Duncan here, funny how the drama on the Wilcock thread is flying while the man with the real threat to his life (Duncan) has entered centre stage with little fanfare. All for the best I think. I think I'd prefer it that way myself.
From the Heart,
Wormhole

Welcome Duncan for sure but hey Wormhole, is there a competiton of some sorts?

Not at all, I'm sorry you see it that way. I just thought Duncan was the type of guy who wouldn't want a big deal being made of his joining. That is the spirit that my comment was intended.
From the Heart,
Wormhole

[Sirius White]

I like Duncan.

I am sorry for his feelings and attitude towards Hoagland and others. But maybe he has a point.

I personally don't trust a word Hoagland says. Hoagland is a sensationlist who enjoys keeping people on the edge of their seats for who knows what. I don't mind Wilcock, he IS a bigger part of the puzzle- but he does seem to be letting Ego getting to him.

I have come pretty far in my journey and any time I have "followers" (I had a couple ask me to be a disciple, WTF!) I HAVE to say no. I'm not here to be a "master" and have people follow me around on cruise ships. This is the issue with truth seeking. It's okay to have fun, and even to make a bit of money.

But when the ego of being an "authority" of spiritual, or truthseeking movements gets to you- it becomes a problem.

Any initiate into the mysteries.Any Yogi knows that once you reach a certain threshold, your ego goes into "panic mode." It begins to die and hence holds on for dear life. This is the point that I see many of these public speakers at- they want the attention, the validation and energy of others almost unconsciously to validate their own "mastery." It is the big warning in any spiritual tradition, and it happens to many Yogi's who suddenly become "guru's" and try and amass followings, money, etc. The leader of TM meditation comes to mind.

That being said I don't hate Hoagland, nor Wilcock. I love wilcock he reminds me of myself. But he doesn't need to validate himself with the validation of others....and hes giving a bit much into the fear tactics that are being played upon him.

Duncan has been unfortunately, a victim of terrible things. I know he's genuine. I can sense it. Its a shame hes misplacing his anger on other people. But at least he has the balls to say something. I feel Duncan is far more authentic than the others in terms of who he is as a person, and doesn't bull**** too much or relish his new found fame in the alternative movement.

That being said I think he was a bit harsh. I've never liked Hoagland and his self-servicing nonsense, and I like wilcock in spirit, but he needs to check his ego! If he had any idea of how many of us are "chosen" and are doing BIG things but we aren't always on the internet glorifying ourselves, nor out in the public. Sometimes we can work BETTER and more effectively from out of the limelight than in it!!!!

Anyways.....I don't agree with Duncans approach, but I think its a much needed wake up call to the people who follow others like Guru's.

Remember the final thing the ego does before it dies is try desperately to latch on for dear life. And I am seeing this in many of these so called "Guru's.'

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[justoneman]

Hi, My name is Sam Hunter. I am 54 and live in Panama. I am new to the forum and was hoping to find the right place to jump in and make my first post. This may be it. So here goes. This post is meant to be revelatory about myself so other posters can get a feel for me, etc. Sometimes I drift into a question/answer format to demonstrate the dialogue I have within myself. Do not confuse my delivery style to imply in any way I think my experiences and conclusions are or should be the case for anyone else nor the decisions I came to should apply to anyone else. If I am able to help, it is important to cut off some of the fat and this is the intention of my post.
Some of us who have been in one of these mind control programs - like MK Ultra, Artichoke, Monarch, etc. may have reached a point in their human experience where they have been able to transcend the personal issues related to this sad part of their past. In some cases this involves relatives and can even go back for generations. Surely, a great deal for an individual to process much less overcome by most standards. But by being able to put it truly behind them, they might not only regain their personal sovereignty but also from the experience, be in position to refashion a completely new point of view based on their ability to have acquired a whole new reality.
OK, so a ‘victim’... then the victim who rises above (the ‘risen’)... and then the victim who realizes he is only his own victim (the ‘realized’) – a new point of view – the past, the actors involved with myself as one, all released... not due so much to being forgiven, no. That’s still a trap for me – judgment/forgiveness cycle... no... This is done by acquiring a totally new point of view, where understanding was a result. Can’t judge from this new place – it’s a whole new reality here.
At this point, one might be at this precious crossroads. If they truly observe life – they begin to realize that they really do fashion their reality... the stuff that happens in their immediate world does indeed seem to be a direct reflection of the stability maintained (or not) within their own mind and emotions. But then the next light goes on and, well for me at least, I was at the critical decision point.
If I see how magic works... and if I was honest that I was never any good at willful application of this strange idea - magic (I unconsciously played in this world and suspect we all mostly do) I might have reached the point where – let’s borrow from AA – I ended up having to turn it all over to ‘something greater than myself’ - something able to do a better job. Sounds like someone who may have overcome an addiction or some similar issue, right? True, but are you ever cured? I hope I never think so. But also ... could that be the ultimate aim of the creators of an Artichoke graduate perhaps? – that knowing most fail but knowing or hoping at least some make it through?
Is this any different from what those who passed through the schools of the right and left eyes of Horus – what... 12 years each at that time?
So you have some that perhaps survive to resolve their programming issues, chalk it up to experience, and... if we sometimes sink into the blame game - we know that this person is and can only ever be the man in the mirror.
And then like the phoenix, we rise up from the ashes to be the new creation.
You aren’t owned anymore by the scientists behind it all. In fact... for a few – true freedom is experienced – and imagine! To have it while still alive and in the living flesh?
Sounds pretty cool to me.
So then where would we be at? Besides being quite dangerous – this is the last ground to cover.
Service to self or service to others – easy and black and white.
What you chose is defined by how you live I suppose. But most of us spontaneously answer ‘service to others’ because we know that’s right for our place and times, but are we truly aligned with that in the heart? For most of my life I truly thought I was, but I saw a few years ago everyone else was truly second. I changed, and it was easy. Why? Because my life totally changed almost overnight. I pray I never forget this lesson.
If I died today, the scales of Maat would still tip the wrong way for my past, but I am not dead yet. And I have, for a long time now, been for others – long enough now I trust myself enough to join this community and offer of myself in any capacity that is helpful for our human family as a whole, in fact, all life.
I hope this first post is forgiven as it probably pushes up against some of the forum standards. I had to do a bit of soul expression and I just wanna help and I know I can, I know it.
I would be happy to talk with Duncan anytime if he wants to work through some more of his nightmare through a fresh lens. I have unique perspectives that can perhaps facilitate some further relief. All due to personal experience. So, I really think I can help there too, I hate seeing folks getting him all twisted up.