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    Endless implications here. Anyone want to give it a shot?

    "No Evidence in Ancient Sources Backs Up Defining Symbol of Christianity, Scholar Says

    For 2,000 years the crucifix has been a potent symbol of both Jesus Christ's death and Christianity. Now one Swedish theologian says that despite the crucifix's proliferation in art and literature, there is scant evidence in the Bible or other ancient sources to indicate that Christ was killed on a cross.

    "There is no distinct punishment called 'crucifixion,' no distinct punishment device called a 'crucifix' anywhere mentioned in any of the ancient texts including the Gospels," he told ABCNews.com.

    Samuelsson devoutly believes the story of Jesus' death and resurrection, but says for generations people have misinterpreted and mistranslated the Greek word "stauros" to mean crucifix, when really the term just means a suspension device, which might have been anything such as a "pole or a tree trunk." The earliest versions of the New Testament were written in Greek.

    "If you chose to just read the text and ignore the art and theology, there is quite a small amount of information about the crucifixion. Jesus, the Bible says, carried something called a stauros out to Calvary. Everyone thought it meant cross, but it does not only mean cross. We cannot say every instance of this noun, stauros refers to a cross," Samuelsson said.

    Suspension devices, basically tall polls or pikes, were routinely used in the ancient world, by the Romans and their contemporaries, both as execution devices and for displaying the bodies of executed criminals and enemies as a public warning.

    Part of what tipped Samuelson off to the apparent mistranslation, were routine references to things like fruits and dead animals being "crucified" in ancient texts, when translating the word as "suspended" makes more sense. "

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    I recall ADs material said that (one of them) WAS crucified. Her material doesn't cover this.
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    Jonathon, may I suggest that you read the book Jesus and the Essenes by Dolores Cannon to find out some truths about the life of Jesus (Yeshua).

    Below is a summary of what you'll find in the book:

    This extraordinary document represents a new form of historical research, and straightens out many open questions and misinterpretations.
    It takes the form of direct dialogues between a modern researcher and a member of the Qumran Essene community.
    Alive around the time of Christ, this community has become the focus of ideas about the connection of Jesus' teachings to earlier traditions.

    This book gives a full description of the nature and purpose of the community, and the birth and upbringing of Jesus and John the Baptist.
    Also, it gives Essene renderings of Key Old Testament stories, concerning Moses, Ezekiel, Daniel and others, plus startling insights into ancient history.
    This information is candid and for real, even about the Dead Sea Scrolls, and many Biblical images and statements are corrected and added to.

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    The cross is a modified zodiac. Jesus is a symbolic reference to astrological references. The bible was written by people that never met "Jesus" and where not alive until after people had seen the last of "him". So for thousands of years people have studied a book that was written on hearsay and essentially channeled material from god. That is what a saint is. A Christian channeler of god. It is all mythology folks, get over it already.

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    Thanks Dan for the book suggestion - I will check it out. Unfortunately my reading list is growing much faster than my ability to read!

    Tone - thanks for checking in and participating. Yes the zodiac and of course given birth date are definite 'additions'. However, Jesus (choose the name you wish) did walk this earth and despite the obvious distortions, there are still some real gems in the bible. In parts, a symbolic, multicontextual masterpiece.

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    Jesus is a symbolic reference to astrological references.
    I beg to differ Tone3jaguar, but this is just your wishful thinking. Please check out the book recommended.

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    Quote Posted by tone3jaguar (here)
    So for thousands of years people have studied a book that was written on hearsay and essentially channeled material from god. That is what a saint is. A Christian channeler of god. It is all mythology folks, get over it already.
    how many ET again around the earth

    lol try to dowse the Book before you dis it

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    Quote We were all created at the same moment and are all children of
    God in this sense. When we came to earth to experience life, we
    became entrapped in the physical. We forgot from whence we
    came. At least we forgot on the conscious level. Deep inside a
    spark still remembered and longed to return 'home', to the loving
    Father who had made us. He was waiting patiently, because he
    knows no such thing as time; waiting for his children to uncover
    once again their true potential and destiny.

    But humanity enjoyed life and became absorbed in the ways of
    the world, making mistake after mistake, further entrenching itself
    through the law of karma. Was there any way out? The more lives
    humans lived the more karma they created for themselves.
    We could not return to God until we are once again perfect, having
    atoned for all the wrongs we have done our fellow man.

    It seems hopeless. For each mistake we repaid we made two
    more. We are on a wheel going round and round and getting
    nowhere, because we do not understand what we have to do to get
    off. How could humanity climb upward if it is constantly going
    round in circles? This was what Jesus came to 'save' humanity
    from. Humanity needed an example, someone to show him the
    'Way'. Humankind had gotten itself into the mess it was in
    through the use of free will. God did not punish, he loved his
    children too much for that. He allowed them to make their own
    mistakes and hopefully they would eventually learn from them and
    see 'the light' and find the pathway to take them 'home'.
    Since God will not interfere, (he can only help and guide) he decided
    to send someone to be an example.

    I believe Jesus or Yeshua was a master of the tenth level. This
    means that after countless numbers of lives filled with human
    frailties, he had at last attained perfection and had returned to the
    side of God from whence he had come. Only this type of entity
    could possibly resist being sucked down into the murk and mire of
    human existence. Even for a master it was dangerous, for the lure
    of the flesh is very tempting, and he might forget his purpose in
    coming.

    It was important that he come, as we all must come into a
    human, physical body and be exposed to all the trials man must
    face. He had to show that he could rise above it. If he could do it,
    humankind could also. He had to be taught all the knowledge of
    the world, so he could understand the time he lived in. He had to
    be trained in the complete use of the mind, in order to show its
    marvellous capabilities. To show that a human was not merely an
    animal body, but a supreme spiritual creation.

    He never claimed to perform miracles, but told people they
    could also do these things, and things even more wonderful. He
    had to learn meditation so he could remain close to the source from
    which he came. In this way he could keep his goal ever in sight and
    not be swayed from it. His goal was to show humanity through his
    example how they should live. That the greatest lesson to be
    learned was to love their fellow creatures on earth.

    If love was present, no further negative karma could be created.
    If love was present, there would be no more wars and suffering.
    Humanity could get off the wheel of karma and begin to progress
    up the ladder again. Jesus was the perfect example of what each
    person had within them and what they were capable of attaining.
    But still they didn't understand. His perfection frightened and confused
    them. They feared him because he was different, and their only
    solution was to kill him.
    Excerpt from the book Jesus and the Essenes by Dolores Cannon.
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    JESUS - Exposing the Lie

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KD40xi9KdqE

    The "romance" Jesus Christ - ZEITGEIST (part 4 of 4)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwqwOfzxzG0


    Christian Myth Jesus pagan solar deity god's sun Zeitgeist

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqP5KdYKFB0

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    yes,the Jesus story and MESSAGE was heavily twisted,manipulated and distorted for political and spiritual control

    get some clues
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1Fdt...eature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5H6kG...eature=related

    watch the other videos on those pages and see for yourself how OBVIOUSLY twisted his story has been

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    Between my recent readings of Ashayana Deane, Ralph Ellis and Dolores Cannon's interpretations and studies of Jesus and more importantly, St. Paul, I now have a completely different understanding of who and what Jesus the Christ was then and is now.

    I do believe that he lived, but in what form and for what purpose, is a whole other study. But as Ralph Ellis brings out repeatedly in his works, it was actually St. Paul who formed Jesus into the persona known by tens of millions today. This is a more than fascinating study.
    We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light.
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    There is an interesting documentary/film on this subject: Jesus In India

    You can either try to find the DVD or locate a torrent ... I think this guy sincerely wants to find the truth which makes his hunt for it authentic.

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    Jesus was a being who knew EXCACTLY who he was...and wanted all of us to know exactly who we are..

    People listened...people are still listening..

    but are they hearing?

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    Quote Posted by celine (here)
    Jesus was a being who knew EXCACTLY who he was...and wanted all of us to know exactly who we are..

    People listened...people are still listening..

    but are they hearing?
    Celine I take my hat off to you.
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    Jesus, the Bible says, carried something called a stauros out to Calvary. Everyone thought it meant cross, but it does not only mean cross. We cannot say every instance of this noun, stauros refers to a cross," Samuelsson said.

    Suspension devices, basically tall polls or pikes, were routinely used in the ancient world, by the Romans and their contemporaries, both as execution devices and for displaying the bodies of executed criminals and enemies as a public warning.

    crucifixion was an established excruciating Roman method of execution

    abolished by Emperor Constantine I in 337 out of veneration for Jesus Christ


    the Greek word stauros refers to a wooden stake and not nessecarily a cross

    but then again crucifixion was the standard Roman method of execution


    most likely the Greek word stauros like the Latin word crucifixio

    corresponds to several forms of execution that was in practise around and about the ancient world

    from impaling on a stake to affixing to a tree to an upright pole

    to a combination of an upright stake and a crossbeam

    shaped like a T as the St Anthony cross or the old familiar Latin cross


    Jesus most likely carried just the crossbeam which would be assembled to the waiting wooden plank at Calvary which might have been suspended on a standard

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    I beg to differ Tone3jaguar, but this is just your wishful thinking. Please check out the book recommended.

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    Quote Posted by tone3jaguar (here)
    Dogma is Dogma regardless of the efficacy of the original source of it. All that matters is right now, not 2000 years ago.

    you say that millions of ET are around the earth and that Jesus is a symbol

    I say you got it both wrong

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    i said, she said, we said they said....


    does this really get you somewhere??

    Jesus WAS LOVE

    you ARE love.

    create love everywhere, in everything that you do.

    This is our mandate

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    Quote Posted by celine (here)
    i said, she said, we said they said....


    does this really get you somewhere??

    Jesus WAS LOVE

    you ARE love.

    create love everywhere, in everything that you do.

    This is our mandate

    you make it sound so cozy cotton celine

    don't you feel a duty to speak up when you see wrong

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