Jesus Christ May Not Have Died on Cross

[Peace of Mind]

It’s hard to believe in the bible because it’s been revise/tamper with many times. Plus the interpretations can be very vague and translated to have more than one meaning. I was told Jesus lived pass 100 and when he died his body was placed on top of the pyramid in Egypt. It a pretty deep story…unlike what’s mentioned in the mainstream scripture. He also had a few kids.
With that said, I do think the bible has a bevy of positive info for those seeking a life filled with positivity…I just can’t go along with the disempowering pretense as far as man is concern.

Some say he's real, some say he's a myth. Will we ever know? Many religions believe he existed and displayed extraordinary powers. Powers we all have but can only be used when acting in a positive, caring and responsible manner. They do say Jesus is in all of us.... but, how many of us walk the walk like he did? Unless we do there will be no empowerment or a display of individual might. They also say there's a second coming....well the second coming is here now... and it is US.

Peace

[Playdo of Ataraxas]

According to what resonates best with me personally, using my own discernment, the Aquarian Gospel and the Law Of One are the best sources of information regarding the truth of Jehoshua.

The Aquarian Gospel of Jesus the Christ. http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/agjc/#contents

It does give detailed accounts on his travels from Egypt to Orissa and across much of the Orient.

Also, the Law Of One is very informative regarding matters of Christ, to be found at www.lawofone.info

Here is the link to the Law Of One search results when you enter the "Jesus"
http://www.lawofone.info/results.php..._type=any&ss=1

I will paste two of the most poignant excerpts, in my opinion:

"17.19 Questioner: How did Jesus learn this during his incarnation?
Ra: I am Ra. This entity learned the ability by a natural kind of remembering at a very young age. Unfortunately, this entity first discovered his ability to penetrate intelligent infinity by becoming the distortion you call “angry” at a playmate. This entity was touched by the entity known as Jesus and was fatally wounded.

Thus the one known as Jesus became aware that there dwelt in him a terrible potential. This entity determined to discover how to use this energy for the good, not for the negative. This entity was extremely positively polarized and remembered more than most Wanderers do."

"17.20 Questioner: How did this aggressive action against a playmate affect Jesus in his spiritual growth? Where did he go after his physical death?
Ra: I am Ra. The entity you call Jesus was galvanized by this experience and began a lifetime of seeking and searching. This entity studied first day and night in its own religious constructs which you call Judaism and was learned enough to be a rabbi, as you call teach/learners of this particular rhythm or distortion of understanding, at a very young age.

At the age of approximately thirteen and one-half of your years, this entity left the dwelling place of its earthly family, as you would call it, and walked into many other places seeking further information. This went on sporadically until the entity was approximately twenty-five, at which time it returned to its family dwelling, and learned and practiced the art of its earthly father.

When the entity had become able to integrate or synthesize all experiences, the entity began to speak to other-selves and teach/learn what it had felt during the preceding years to be of a worthwhile nature. The entity was absolved karmically of the destruction of an other-self when it was in the last portion of lifetime and spoke upon what you would call a cross saying, “Father, forgive them for they know not what they do.” In forgiveness lies the stoppage of the wheel of action, or what you call karma."

[eileenrose]

Yes, I tend to go along the lines of this discussion that if you accept that Jesus existed, then you can't ignore how similar his story is to previous stories. Like any myth, it has a basis for truth. But as I mentioned, I have let go of figuring out if he existed. It doesn't make sense to keep trying (unless you are still confused by the amount of 'press' he is given....but notice it is by people who get something 'from advertising about him').

I like reading neutral discussion about him. But that is it these days. Afraid I can't stomach more delusions based on his supposed resurrection, but happy to discuss any actual facts (or as close to facts as we have).

[eileenrose]

PS: In one way, (just one), we are able to talk about him without having to check with him (about what we think about him). Not so with the current masters available. I just got konked on the head (for the upteenth time) by one (indirectly). Sometimes (I am trying to say this humbly), it is nice when they arn't around to 'check on what your saying about them'.

you gotta have a sense of humor

[RedeZra]

there are thousands of testimonies about Jesus on youtube alone


it's not that Jesus doesn't exist

it's just you

who has not seen Him yet

[kreagle]

Posted by TargeT (here)

Posted by Lettherebelight (here)
I have heard Jesus travelled widely during his teens and twenties, to the west as far as England and to the east as far as India. There is some evidence to support this from both directions.

When one thinks about it, it certainly seems probable that this is what happened. One's teens and twenties are some of our most active years in life.

Jesus bounced at age 13, Why? he was most liekly the son of Julius Cesar & Cleopatra, but when Cesar was killed he was no longer in line for the thrown as another son was chosen above him.. he vowed to come back and conquer the roman empire through "means other than military might". he left for 17 years, came back with a plan, got cruisified, taken live to a cave and emerged later (some people were tipped off to witnes this of course) the story came out.. a few "miracles" performed (he was Pharo blood after all... & held knowledge that was occulted from the rest of the world at the time...)

and look at his success! the Vatican... the power it wields...

Got that stuff from a well presented documentary (that was 5 hours long...) don't recall the title however... interesting stuff.. lots of good corroborating evidence

Proverbs 14:12
King James Version (KJV)

12There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

Sir,....when things begin to fall all around us in the very near future,.......you will find that the "real son of Julius Caesar and Cleopatra", ("if" indeed they had one) won't be able to do anything for you! He has long since returned to the "dust from which he came". Jesus Christ was the Son of God, while He was in flesh upon this earth, and now He is fully our Lord God. His imminent return is our only hope.

Your "faith" is currently lying dormant in your life,....but you still have time to "activate" it,....."if" you will only recognize your need.

Peace and Love,......kreagle

[eileenrose]

Hi RedeZra,
I get people want to contain Jesus fans to a tight little circumference.
So we all agree with who ever is talking about him.
I tend to form my own opinions of whomever I am referring to.
Yes, it is alright to form opinions about Jesus.
Jesus, or our idea of him, won't mind.

I am feeling he is often misunderstood because we tend to devalue his advice constantly.

"Take no thought of tomorrow, let tomorrow take thought of itself" (paraphrase)

This is soo true.
By living in the past, or projecting our ideas into the future, we constantly are missing the moment we are actually in.

[panopticon]

G'day kreagle,

While your statement was not directed at me I will respond as it may as well have been:

Posted by kreagle (here)
Your "faith" is currently lying dormant in your life,....but you still have time to "activate" it,....."if" you will only recognize your need.

My faith is not lying dormant within me. I do not hold to the same faith as you, that is all. I don't need to activate any thing. You're just being condescending by saying that. By repeatedly quoting near on meaningless statements from the Iron Age as "evidence", or "proof", you do nothing for your position.

Indeed your reference to a chicken-little-esque 'the sky is falling' ignores the fact that christians have been saying (for near on 2000 years) "we are living in the final days". Seems to me that maybe someone should re-evaluate the possibility that maybe we ain't! If you like I can supply a list of dates to do with this (or you can simply search it yourself). I have often said in this forum that one day someone who says 'The end is Nigh!' will be right. That isn't divine inspiration, just the law of averages. Plus, with enough people in "power" believing this rubbish it is probable that it could end up being a self fulfilling prophecy.

G'day RedeZra,

Posted by RedeZra (here)
there are thousands of testimonies about Jesus on youtube alone

I agree that there are way too many video's on Youtube by Christians, the only thing I disagree with you on is that there are probably millions, not thousands. I just use discernment to try and wade around it.
There should be some place where they congregate together. You know, like minds all getting together to re-enforce their dogma... Oh wait... There is!

Posted by RedeZra (here)
it's not that Jesus doesn't exist
it's just you
who has not seen Him yet

You've said nothing here.
Nor have I seen Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy and I'm not holding my breath on either of those accounts.

As I have said a number of times... I reckon anyone is free to believe whatever they like about whoever, or whatever, they like.
Why don't you comment on my position regards the possible mytho-historicity of Jesus?
I'm a bit sick of the empty rhetoric.
Regards,
Panopticon.

[kreagle]

Goodday to you, panopticon

Re: Jesus Christ May Not Have Died on Cross

While your statement was not directed at me I will respond as it may as well have been:

G'day kreagle,

Posted by kreagle (here)
Your "faith" is currently lying dormant in your life,....but you still have time to "activate" it,....."if" you will only recognize your need.

My faith is not lying dormant within me. I do not hold to the same faith as you, that is all. I don't need to activate any thing. You're just being condescending by saying that. By repeatedly quoting near on meaningless statements from the Iron Age as "evidence", or "proof", you do nothing for your position.

Indeed your reference to a chicken-little-esque 'the sky is falling' ignores the fact that christians have been saying (for near on 2000 years) "we are living in the final days". Seems to me that maybe someone should re-evaluate the possibility that maybe we ain't! If you like I can supply a list of dates to do with this (or you can simply search it yourself). I have often said in this forum that one day someone who says 'The end is Nigh!' will be right. That isn't divine inspiration, just the law of averages. Plus, with enough people in "power" believing this rubbish it is probable that it could end up being a self fulfilling prophecy.

The repetitive "meaningless statements", (your words), you are hearing quoted here are "His Words",......not mine. This is certainly not the "first time" that God's Word has offended,.....nor will it be the "last". You see, God's Word, has that innate Divine ability to "cut to the chase" and to get down to the core components of "truth",....whether we like it or not. The wise man listens and "adjusts his position" to be in harmony with these wonderful teachings. Others reject it and embark on their own self-enlightened pathways.

Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

quote:
christians have been saying (for near on 2000 years) "we are living in the final days".

Just because there has been,...to this point....the "absence of Judgement",....does not invariably mean that there is "Judgement that will remain absent". Noah, and his three sons Ham, Shem, and Japheth, including their wives, were relentlessly ridiculed for 100 years as He obeyed God and followed the "blueprint" given to him to build an Ark of Gopher wood. It took the final act of securing themselves in that selfsame Ark and "God shutting the door" for the "tongue waggers" and doubters to come to the horrifying realization that the "Judgement of God" was finally here. This period of time, whether it's 2000 years or 100 years is referred to "The Grace Period" of God. There have always been those, (the "few"), who are wise during this time of "Grace", and there has always been those, (the "many") who "drown themselves" out to the flood of God's final Judgement.

It took "faith" to get on the Ark and to go to all the back breaking work to build it,...but I bet the family of Noah was grateful when that great vessel "rose above" the waters of Judgement and carried them to safety,....to start a new life, as God dictated. It still takes "faith" to get in the "Church" that Peter and the rest of the Apostles builded, on the Day of Pentecost, in Acts chapter 1 and 2, .....but it "still carries, and will carry the occupants to safety,...to start an "eternal life" with their God. The very sad thing is,.....there are sill very "few" that actually do it.

Matthew 7:13-14
King James Version (KJV)

13Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

[RedeZra]

Posted by panopticon (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)
there are thousands of testimonies about Jesus on youtube alone

I agree that there are way too many video's on Youtube by Christians, the only thing I disagree with you on is that there are probably millions, not thousands. I just use discernment to try and wade around it.

Why don't you comment on my position regards the possible mytho-historicity of Jesus?

hi Pan

you're right


there are not thousands but millions of testimonies from folks all over the world who have had an experience with the Living God

atheists muslims buddhists christians

whatever box you want to put us in

it doesn't matter to Jesus



the possible mytho-historicity of Jesus is just a lame lie of Satan who rules this world

to trick you into error

[eileenrose]

I did have a thought about this the other day. Just what are people experiencing and why do they feel it is related to a god like figure?

I would say that perhaps a person, who doesn't know better, wakes up or has an experience outside of 'normal' and then attributes it to whatever religion that they feel aligned with.

And that is as far as it goes.

I feel that this is really a blindness that affects people. A lazy way to be. But it isn't up to me to expose it. Just notice it.

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One person went all the way with Christianity (and became Jesus like......which is what I aspired to as a young person....didn't lots of us?) was Anthony De Mello.
I enjoy his work (he has since passed on/died).

Here is a something from him. Enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vmTSdxxnTw

Anthony De Mello "Wake up" part 1 of 4

[RedeZra]

Posted by eileenrose (here)
I did have a thought about this the other day. Just what are people experiencing and why do they feel it is related to a god like figure?

I would say that perhaps a person, who doesn't know better, wakes up or has an experience outside of 'normal' and then attributes it to whatever religion that they feel aligned with.

please these testimonies tell of actual interaction with Jesus in such a way that it is not possible to confuse or doubt who He is

testimony from a Muslim man

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sno1c3n0xxc

testimony from a Muslim woman

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rrt0cAqJURk

testimony from a Christian man

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQe8m85IAsI

remember these are just three out of three millions testimonies about Jesus

[eileenrose]

Hi Redez.
You mention:
"please these testimonies tell of actual interaction with Jesus in such a way that it is not possible to confuse or doubt who He is"

I realize that this is part of the belief system that is currently in play.
A thousand years ago this might have gotten you the cross yourself (saying you saw Jesus....wasn't that kind of thing reserved for the elite in the church?).

Not everyone subscribes to it.
How are you with that?

As far as I can ascertain, we are allowed, in this forum, to have opposing views.
I'd love to chat more. But up to you.

[RedeZra]

Posted by eileenrose (here)
A thousand years ago this might have gotten you the cross yourself (saying you saw Jesus....wasn't that kind of thing reserved for the elite in the church?).

not at all

the Church reveres her saints

[Nathalie]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by celine (here)
i said, she said, we said they said....


does this really get you somewhere??

Jesus WAS LOVE

you ARE love.

create love everywhere, in everything that you do.

This is our mandate

you make it sound so cozy cotton celine

don't you feel a duty to speak up when you see wrong

What makes you think she sees wrong? How can any of us here state that we know the truth about Jesus??

[RedeZra]

Posted by Nathalie (here)

What makes you think she sees wrong? How can any of us here state that we know the truth about Jesus??

love is never wrong


i have my opinions and you all have your opinions

and when our opinions diverge

then one of us or both is wrong


that is not so important

still we speak up for what we think is true

[panopticon]

Posted by RedeZra (here)
the possible mytho-historicity of Jesus is just a lame lie of Satan who rules this world to trick you into error

G'day Red,

I am not surprised that you say that it is the work of Satan.
I, however, do find it an interesting hypothesis (that Jesus was constructed to function as a rallying point for a defeated peoples following the fall of the 2nd temple in 70 CE) and one I have been looking into.
Thank you, as usual, for being respectful of my position ("conversation not conversion") and I shall continue to endeavour to be respectful of yours.
Kind Regards,
Panopticon

Addendum:
I think the "millions not thousands of Youtube video's" statement might be the first time we actually agree on anything!

[Nathalie]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by Nathalie (here)

What makes you think she sees wrong? How can any of us here state that we know the truth about Jesus??

love is never wrong


i have my opinions and you all have your opinions

and when our opinions diverge

then one of us or both is wrong


that is not so important

still we speak up for what we think is true

You do have a point! But "what I think is true", might not be. So I don't hold on to that as truth per se, but rather as a possibility. And what is right and wrong and truth? Nothing but perception, really... But I digress...
And I do like you picture!!

[Lettherebelight]

Thanks for sharing those testimonies, RedeZra.

They were really far out....wonderful!

[Lettherebelight]

I also appreciate Pan's unflappable logic and reason!