Coming to terms with Ascension religion and David Wilcock hysteria

[Rahkyt]

You are supported, Unified Serenity, here and, I am quite certain, elsewhere.

[Arrowwind]

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
Many of you have created a new religion of worshipping the new teacher. You have found your peace in what David says, even though you admit (well most of you do) that it's been said before by quite a few people. But, for some reason, many of you who most vociferously defended DW and attacked me seem to me to have created a new religion. The David Wilcock ascension of self religion. Your spirits loudly proclaimed, "Damned be the truth, we like the message and he is our new messiah!" It appears to me that my messages caused pain to some because they brought into question this Messiah / Guru, and how full of wisdom and light he really is. I mean after all, if it was a marketing trick is he any different than any of those televangelists who disgust you so much? Something deep within I think has caused your visceral energetic reaction to anyone who finds David's act on Kerry's show to be just that, an act!

David has made so many false predictions with dates and events to happen in the past, and no one cares. Oh, I love the explanation that because we were talking about blah blah blah it did not happen and therefore David cannot have been wrong, why in fact he saved thousands of lives by merely bringing the upcoming catastrophe to our attention. And, gee we did not ascend yet, 11/11/11 came and went and nothing happened, but it has in astral it's just not here yet! I wonder what in the hell David is going to say when December 21, 2012 comes along and nothing happens? Maybe he needs to make the most of it now. Maybe in secret he's hoping dear God that something happens between now and then because he and other alternative guru types have pumped up this time period so much who would listen to them again if nothing happens? So, it's the new religion that bothers me. In the vacuum of no religion our spirit creates a new one that fits what we like and believe.

Serenity, I fully concure with you.

When I made a comment, but a very short one, along a similar lines someone tried to belittle me by calling me "Narrowwind"
What they failed to realize it that it only belittled themselves.

I just don't have it in me to give the force of objection that you have to the topic. I wrote David Wilcock off a long time ago as being a newage propagandist and opportunist... there... that ought to rise some ire.

There are books to be sold and not much time to do so.

On the other hand.. once when in highschool I had a knife put to my throat and I respond with full belly laughter. It saved my life.

I suggest for those who are interested in understanding some of the phychology involed that they watch this video posted here not too long ago... it carries a lot of insight.. and is applicable in many sitations other than 911.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGbEJ3pXwWM

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[crested-duck]

It is apparent to me that by revealing the cracks in a leaders philosophy, people take it personally...like, "don't show me the incongruities in who or what I've chosen to follow; they have to be right because that makes me right."By all means, follow someone or some philosophy if you feel you must, but please don't attack me if I don't find value in it. Can we stop this need to put others down in order to feel better about ourselves? Life is not a competition. Different is just different...that does not make one 'better' and one 'worse'. Different is just different and that's okay.[/QUOTE]
Thanks Serenity for starting this thread. I totally agree with you and markpierre and most everyones responses. While listening to dw&k my inner voice was screaming- been here and done fell for this nonsense before . This scenario is'nt anything new, just repackaged old stuff for those who've not educated themselves to" my "own particular point at this time.. It just felt too scripted and over acted, but that's just " me" watching the same show with different actors for 47 years now. People need to look at themselves more deeply and question their reasons for different beliefs, and their attitudes that are formed because of those beliefs. But most importantly you have to be able to admit to yourself you may have been wrong in what you put your trust into believeing. Then forgive yourself and others involved , but keep searching for truth regardless. ---the odd crested-duck now heads for shore to have a nap---

[shamanseeker]

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)

Posted by etm567 (here)
Thanks for the clarity. I've been standing back, not wanting to get into the mudfight again. Well said, from my point of view -- that is, just my cultish, mafioso, ripping to shreds and supposedly wishing-somebody-dead point of view!

And thank you ETM for displaying exactly what I have been talking about on this thread. Your ridicule,sarcasm etc add nothing to the spirit or intent of this thread other than to put me in my place which is basically that my views are not welcome, not wanted, and that I am a drama queen which is highly laughable for anyone who knows me to even consider. You seem to want people to give David the space to feel his emotions and believe he was about to die, and yet you do not offer the same respect for a member who shares information... David is beyond questioning and analyzing, but I am not. I'm a big girl and stand in what I have always said and posted.

I will share my views. I have walked some very dark roads in the physical and spiritual paths. I know when I am hated, and to hate someone is the same as murdering them in spirit. Some will understand what that means energetically and others will not. I highly recommend staying out of the energy of hate.

I do hope by sharing your voice that you are getting the peace you need, and if that is the case, I am happy I was able to help in that regard.

Much love,

Serenity

You aren't hated, US, nor does anyone want you ripped to shreds or dead. I do not understand why you feel this way. Yes, you have the right to state your point of view but people with another point of view have the right to express theirs, too. Just because some people don't automatically dismiss what David is saying does not mean they think of him as a guru or are absolutely sure that he holds all the truth. They are just open to the fact that maybe some of what he is saying could be true. This does not mean they cannot think for ourselves. You say you feel their bad energy and that you know they are thinking like this. I beg to differ. Please don't take things so personally. Others could think you hate them and want them dead when you express yourself in such an aggressive way. You say you aren't aggressive but you do tend to come across like that and are being a little touchy. I do not think you hate others so why should you think those with a different opinion hate you?
When you criticise these people and then finish with 'much love', it does not take away from the fact that you have criticised them. If a person gives an opinion, he will always disagree with some people and that can always be taken as criticism.

[9eagle9]

It is very much a re-creation of a new religion, a new form of worship. On the surface anyway, but creating is the neccessary mechanism to keep the ages old story in play.

Part of it is to keep the mind entertained (which is why it's called re-creation) so that the awareness can't come forward to know what is really going on here.

I'm going to use Christ as the example although many spiritual leaders have had their stories played out again in this endless matrix loop in the same fashion, for as long as we've have sticky magentic consciouness that won't let go of the recording. Martyrs are not born, they are created. In their mind, in someone's mind. We know this, we know how we create. We know how we create yet when we create yet another re-enactment of the story we refuse that we created it. What is creating it, is an unresolved wound.

Why are people so attached to Davids current pain. They share the same un-abated wound. He's wounded. And this current drama has created more psyche wounding.

People can go into the past and see the patterns that have been written there for us to observe and how they play out, again, in the present. But they don't do it. They are blind (not awake, eyes shut) to what is being shown to them NOW. They have the idea of it but they can't see it when its being played out right in front of them. They are on the stage, as the subject, the role player not in the audience observing.

Nor do we realize that over eons our consciouness shifts, and we manifest people. We manifest a physical vessel to express what it is we are desiring , what we need to work through, what we need to know because we lack the ability to know for ourselves. Like Christ was a person manifest. MAN-i-fest. we call they come. The same way the victims call in their abusers, or the ignorant call in their teachers. This is how we do this on a collective level.

People were ready for something, and it was delivered through the form of Christ . And Buddha and thousands of people who were manifested in the physical , express source ideals and knowledge. Most of all.... how to get out of the loop de loop trap so this track would stop playing.

This is basically another manifest of the Christ Crucifiction (and others that predate Christ and then came after ) because people can't stay out of the past. This is how the crucifiction became a fiction. It is now a story imbedded in the psyche that keeps playing out over and over. They are stuck there by unconscious recall.

I know so many people who are triggering into these events because the martyrdom of spiritual leaders in the past is bound up in their psyche. It's the rule now, rather than the exception. If the Horus story hadn't happened and been looped over again and again, Christ's crucifction wouldn't have occurred. It was manifested long before Christ was born, and people knew this as they predicted his life, and his manifest into the physical. Because it had happened before.

This is public demon-stration of how people try to excorcize their demons. People are still trying to work out this psyche wound. We have given them so many tools to unbind themselves from this crap. The tools were given by Source but instead of an expression they remain an idea. A re-creational thought. It entertains us to have the idea we are enlightened.


That's how they get emotionally involved in this. They were involved on an emotional level a psyche wound level before any of this even occurred. All this fear and fear of people not being compassionate, thats people trying to work their **** out from what happened 2000 years ago when they felt like compassion was lacking, When betrayal and abandoment was present. All that is being revisted and played again in the psyche of Christ's sheep. Because he was the shephered. Who made him so. That was created, as far as I can tell he was carpenter until some made a shephered out of him. So we see there that instead of knowing the expression we run after the story line. So people who in error don't express the Christ Consciousness end up being sheep to the story line, not the reality.

All these people predicting catastrophe in 2012 are working out their recall of what happened in the past by sticking it in the future. What are they creating?

David himself has explained the mechanisms for how we get trapped in the mind, and all I can say is follow your own advice. All I can say to his adherents are...Follow his advice that he's not following himself, because the student is often times the master in disguise. In spite of the fact that the 'master' is getting spell bound by his own re-enactment doesn't mean you have to too. You'd do him the greatest compassion by not helping him not go there.

Christ showed that the apostles didn't have to climb up on the cross too. That is not what Oneness is. Getting drug down the martyr hole is not what any spiritual master would express to anyone and still be called a spiritual master. David has not mastered his own information. Until he does it remains an idea. I can give you a recipe for cookies but until you take that recipe and express it, create the cookies, the cookies just remain an idea or an ideal. They are not real or manifested. Or change anything. Until then its just an idea that sits in one's head.

If people were following DW's information and DW was expressing his own information there would not be these attachments that create this drama.


The information is good, but right now that's all it is ..it's information. It's not expressed, or lived by him or the people who adhere to him. If it was, this whole drama would not have occurred. So it is a re-enactment of the Christ Scenario. We have people pointing fingers looking for a Judas, for a Pilate while attempting to remain righteous (in alignment) and that's just not possible. You can't reconcile the matrix and source knowledge. You can manifest a person to express what needs to be known and we are -----because these people are coming in but once they get there, what do we make them into? What do they make themselves into. An insitution. Christ came and a institution was made from him, and we see how 'they' grabbed our habit for doing that and perverted what Christ had to say into something that was not.

This is the same scenario and the people involved have a CHANCE to break this endless loop in , loop out of recreating past events. It is a symptom of trying to work out, yet again, a long enduring psyche wound. David needs to take his own advice, get this recording out his head, people need to be compassionate enough not to energerize this re-enactment. This is high level unseen things that everyone desires to experience , how this all happens, but when it happens doesn't live up to their IDEA. So they blind themselves to what they wanted in the first place.

Now we have it set in our head, in our recording that anyone that has the truth should be killled or will be killed that's because that has all occurred in the past. We are re-enacting it now. Of course he should be crucified that is how the Christ story in our heads is relentlessly acted out. If you can't get out of the story, change the damn story line. You're spell bound in it. You don't beleive me, then go listen to what David has to say on the matter. Same thing.

Why is Christ Consciousness not more expressed in the world. Everytime its pure expression comes forward, its crucified, in favor of the story or the ideal. We like what is familar to us even though its horrible. We confuse familar with safety. It feels safe to go on the same old track , but its not doing us any favors in terms of progress.

Now we can break this mechanism at anytime but..why don't we?. We don't even get what our spiritual leaders are saying let along living or expressing it.

We like the idea but the expression is scary, it makes us go into the unknown. I'm going to have have to say that David isn't living what he's saying and that is expressed and shown by the circumstances he's in right now. . He's caught up in the old story. Kerry trots in and decides she's Mary Magdalene sitting at his feet.

This is where despair comes from, watching this yet again. DW has a pattern of old stories, he chose one from the past to live out in the present as Edgar Cayce. Edcar Cayce was asleep and not consciously aware of his Source expression...and neither is David. He's has the information but he's sleeping through it because he chose to play out the role of Edgar Cayce again instead of just being. Because its a story, he's expanded on it a little. Cayce never could consciously confront the fall of Atlantis because of the wounds attached to it. . That's why he slept through the information that was given to him. consciously can't confront it. When Atlantis rose again, only a few noticed .Sitting out there in the middle of (gasp) , shockingly enough, the ATLANTIC ocean. It fell but it never went anywhere. You can't find what was never lost. I have to admit that I had my doubts about Wilcock being Cayce but seeing that they share the same wound.....that may validate things for me. Cayce didn't work it out in that lifetime so David gets to 'enjoy' it in this lifetime. So I think that wound there needs to be abated. That's karma dragging wounds back and relooping them over and over again to be played out again.

Very simple healing precept. If there is conflict and drama present its because there's a forgotten wound there.

But instead his his fans are getting the nails out expecting his crucification because the story has alway ended that way. Are we shocked that this has occurred the thread of death, the threat of crucifiction. Why we are creating it. Put the hammer down. That's it.

Instead people create another Christ figure from DW and wonder why he is being crucifiied. If you don't want him crucified don't make a Christ out of him, don't make a martyr out of him. This is why I ask people , what part are YOU playing in this? Are you being Judas here? Or looking for one. We need all the players present thinking it's going to solve something when we really need to just stop participating in the story. And the roles they are playing re-enacting this crucification of their Christ figure they have built up in their heads. How much has David contributed to this by allowing this to build instead of setting appropriate boundaries with knowledge is HIS cross to bear now. Cayce unable to confront , put a unconcious boundary between himself and his knowledge.

At any time now he can set it down, and his apostles can help him create another outcome that will begin to free EVERYONE who is engaged in this tiresome round de round.

And those who are not....you can't crucify us. We dropped out of our participation in the story. No matter what you say you can't a create for us in the story. We don't want it.

Those who have detached from the matter, and not partcipated in creating another Christ figure from DW are actually the ones who have risen above the mechanism and not partcipated in another ending like the one 2000 years ago. That is the way out, for David and for his adherents. His fans will nail him to the cross, not the people who are remaining detached from it. How can we affect any sort of outcome when we are no participating in it??!!!It will become your reality not mine.

There are thousands, perhaps many thousands who are manifest-people, that our consciouness willingness to have a physical expression to show us source, has created. We are silently calling them in, and they come. Like Christ did. Not just a few public ones. The ones that are doing what they came here to do are not known because they didn't create an institution around themselves. They didn't allow an institution to be created around them. Personal boundaries. They are not public, they don't have zillions of apostles and adherents because they know that is how the story is recreated again. That is how they are being responsible with the human psyche.

It's about the truth not truth in advertising. They finally got out of the story, the psyche wound, and began expressing what is really going on here.

Christ never went public, he was trotting around on back roads talking to whores, lepers, and the blind not taunting the Emperor of Rome and calling him out. His following was quiet. Who betrayed Christ. His followers. Who is betraying DW? His followers. Both over the matter of some gold. How can people not see this? Because they have chosen to climb in the story , re-enacting out an old story imbedded in the psyche, they are particpating in the same story. Of course it feels like this is all meant to be--its happened before! .

Those who didn't follow him down the same old rabbit hole are not finding it neccessary not out of dislike or hate, but because it's not necessary. It's playing the same old game. They cleared that looping tape in their consciouness and replaced it with clarity on how this all really works. Now they are observing this and now as the story is being re-enacted they notice this crowd need a Judas, a Pilate. It is predicatable. Because its happened over and over and over again. When you see a movie five thousand times you can pretty much know how it's going to play out and how it will end, until someone comes forward and says, CUT. That is enough I am no longer participating in this.

That would be those people who are watching the same old play being played out AGAIN. If people had gotten it then, we wouldn't even be here having this discussion. And for those who are getting it, after zillions re-encatments of the same old story , ..I have to ask that compassion is quickly turned into a device for enabling.

How many times have people held compassion for the drug user, and it turned into an enabling device, when what is really needed is someone to say--Enough.

Do you all really want to do this AGAIN?

And yes some of us are rolling their eyes and thinking, "Ohmygod, here we go again." And you blame us for not turning the other cheek? These people have their information, they have been told how this all works, and yet here they are doing it again.

Where is it going to end at if someone doesn't stand up and say . "LOOK at what is being re-enacted here." It won't end. Its been played out for eons. EONS!

Now by DW's own statements THIS coming year that is upon us THE TIME to get off the crazy round de round train that's been chugging along all these long centuries. We know this, this has been told to us. But still we are stepping back on the train again . They tested to see really how evolved people were in expressing this knowledge that DW has been showing and he and his adherents basically demonstrated that they are right back at square one in consciosness. The PTB have no worries, they now we will keep perpetrating the story and the drama, the matrix continues. But only through your cooperation. Tehy don't give a **** about some Book of Codes, most anyone could find it in a public bathroom and not understand what is between the covers.

Now people can keep quiet about observing other's putting the noose over their neck again, or they can speak up. Is silence compassion or is it vocally expressing that people are turning on the internal VCR again?

You , David's fans , you are deciding which way this will be. You are responsible for the outcome just as we have been for ages. David and his following are the ones who are making this decision in spite of full disclosure. It's been disclosed, and acted out thousands of times. How many more times until its enough for you. That's your choice. Continue on and for those want to get out of that loop, that box that contiously playing movie, we're just not doing it. You can't guilt trip us or label us you have no recourse in the game because we got out of it. You have no recourse, we're not part of the game, we are not in the drama, we are the audience.

That was the whole point, to STOP doing it.

Whatever decision that is made, whatever agreement is made, there will be those who will not be swept up in it, will not make that agreement to encourage their fellow humans to board the crazy train again. We do not have to be affected by this. You can do whatever you want, play out this agreement or script again, but its not going to be at my expense. And its not be at the expense of others who are sensing something is hinky here, and we are not boarding that crazy train just to make you feel safe.

Or in other words, grow up. Those who give you the honor of speaking to you without candy assing or soothing you, (this thing we've confused for compassion) but speaking to you as what they percieve you to be under all this gobbedly gook story: Spiritually capable mature entities that are able to grasp uneasy concepts like this. You are being confronted with your own particpation, but you can stop partipating? No you're deny it. Christ had to be denied so...there you go.

I'm going to dis-honor you by speaking ot you as I would a toddler which is what people seem to be demanding?. YOu have the power to change this, what else can you ask for. Ask for the wisdom to use that power.


.So you decide right now what you are? Someone who needs to be coddled or someone who is strong in spirit. Which one are you. Understand THAT determines the outcome of anything. What we are truly or ...what we've to chosen to be, what roles we have decided on.


Christ's crucificition was meant to demonstrate "no matter what the authorities say, you can't kill me. I'll climb up on a cross and 'die' and I'll still prove to you that you can't kill me. "The core of Christ consciousness. But still people say that Christ died on the cross.

Still people will ignore that, in favor of externaliznig and institutionalizing their Christ figures--Creating a religion from a person-manifest and the information. Now this we know: we have had traumatic psyche events in the past, the fall of Atlantis, the Deluge. And then as we continue to manifest people who can come into the physical relams to express what is occuring, people associate them with past spiritual teachers, Reincarnations of Christ, reincarnation of Edgar Cayce. But each other opporunity we have to gainclarity on this situation is inveitably thrown over in favor of re-enactment because that wound has not been addressed. The fact the story is affecting someone means there is a wound there to be addressed. Get the wound situated and this this will stop happening.

The ultimate goal in healing is ...to get people to abate their wounds from this lifetime, and others, so they can begin to unbind from the collective psychic wounds.

.....but always the opporunity is thrown over in favor of just letting the pattern, the story play out. AGAIN.

We are TIRED of this.

Aren't we?

Apparently not.

[etm567]

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)

Posted by etm567 (here)
Thanks for the clarity. I've been standing back, not wanting to get into the mudfight again. Well said, from my point of view -- that is, just my cultish, mafioso, ripping to shreds and supposedly wishing-somebody-dead point of view!

And thank you ETM for displaying exactly what I have been talking about on this thread. Your ridicule,sarcasm etc add nothing to the spirit or intent of this thread other than to put me in my place which is basically that my views are not welcome, not wanted, and that I am a drama queen which is highly laughable for anyone who knows me to even consider. You seem to want people to give David the space to feel his emotions and believe he was about to die, and yet you do not offer the same respect for a member who shares information... David is beyond questioning and analyzing, but I am not. I'm a big girl and stand in what I have always said and posted.

I will share my views. I have walked some very dark roads in the physical and spiritual paths. I know when I am hated, and to hate someone is the same as murdering them in spirit. Some will understand what that means energetically and others will not. I highly recommend staying out of the energy of hate.

I do hope by sharing your voice that you are getting the peace you need, and if that is the case, I am happy I was able to help in that regard.

Much love,

Serenity

I was just quoting you, Serenity. Don't you remember what you said?

[Belle]

Bravo, 9eagle9.

That should be required reading for all who think they are aware.

There is no sin, no death, no guilt, no punishment, etc except that which we create for ourselves.

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

[jorr lundstrom]

Thank you 9eagle9 for this summary. And now I feel its time for a little Mozart

and some intellectual laziness. LOL

[Tarka the Duck]

Hello US
I am finding a deep respect for you forming within me, as you attempt, much more eloquently than I ever could, to explain what you see is going on behind the goings-on...
Kathie

[Amzer Zo]

I wonder how long it's gona take to see this one pan out:

The four stages of acceptance:
1. This is worthless nonsense.
2. This is an interesting, but perverse, point of view.
3. This is true, but quite unimportant.
4. I always said so.

... which is a variation on Schopenhauer's

All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.

[Unified Serenity]

Eagle,

Thank you so much for this post about the drama play and our choices to heal the old wounds. To watch this unfold now with clarity and to make our choices based on understanding how we create these dramas over and over. I had this feeling, but could not see the whole picture until you spelled it out so elequently. For me, you have hit the nail on the head, and this has been a test for us.

Do we step off the crazy train? I know you were not calling the people on stage crazy, it's the analogy of doing this over and over and over and when do we step back and say ENOUGH! This will come up again in the future. It might not be with David. It might be a politician. It might be a new Messiah the world wants and the PTB are more than happy to provide, and yes he will be crucified for the actors as always. A new birth, a New World Order to begin the cycle yet again. We don't want to repeat the cycle do we? That's what all of our seeking has been about, to get off this ride, and evolve or ascend.

I don't know my part in the play. I don't even know if I have a part in the play. Pilate? Judas? Pharisee? Or, just one sent here to help along with you from the directors bench saying, "CUT"... "Stop the play, it's wrong!"

I don't care, all I know is I have exorcised my demons and I see completely what you are saying, and I knew my questions had an answer and you my dear were most instrumental in helping me to see it. I cannot say this in text what freedom I feel now. This message of yours eagle may be one of the most important messages for anyone on Avalon to ever read. Print it out, hand it out, post a link to it on every damn thread! We are not done. We can get tested again because so many of us want help and want answers, and we really just have to make choices.

My sincerest gratitude for this, and to all of you really for playing your parts whether you get it or not. I feel today has not been wasted for I have learned something.

Much Much love,

Serenity

[Ivanhoe]

Well. time for my two cents worth.
US, I appreciate your directness in thought and expression. You are like me in that when someone asks you a question you are straight and to the point as you perceive it. No bs.
My opinion of DW is that he says nothing new of any consequence to me, nothing I haven't heard others write/speak about since I've been on this path that I started when I was 18.
It distresses me that he always seems to tie release of "new, important" info with the selling of a new book or cd, and while I'm all for making a buck, I don't think the giving of pertinent crucial information it should be conducted in the form of pay me and I'll tell you all my knowledge.
Too many gullible people in the world.
Again, this is simply my opinion, but I cannot read his missives without putting on my chest waders. Too much to wade through to get to his message, which is usually pie in the sky, buy my new book/cd,...but wait ,...there's more,....soon.
He brings no substance to me, only promises of such.
Ok folks, only my opinion, but if you feel you should burn me at the stake for stating so, I have kindling , gas and matches for sale.
Have a Smurfy day y'all.
Love ya.

[crested-duck]

9eagle9 - excellent post,you've said it all better than anyone could have hoped for. I'm in- on the vote for required reading too!

[Arrowwind]

Posted by gigha (here)
Where is greybeard when you need him?

Posted by ViralSpiral (here)
The amount of "hatred" is proportional to the noise input.
Why not just step away?
We are all on the same path, with different scenery, experiencing different obstacles. EVERYBODY!

Hatred is hatred regardless of how loud the noise might be or not be that spurs it on. Noise does not create hatred it spurs it to spew forth for hatred is an emotion that is very difficult to contain and control. And why should anyone step away from voicing their opinion? I chose to step away from that thread for I could feel the hatred mounting... that was my choice but I can see where others might not.

Remember, hatred holds its roots in fear...

Persoanlly I dont find it of much value to confront such states of mind directly but I do do it on occassion.

Part of the problem with our current reality is that people do back away when they call BS as let the intimidation of hatred drive them away. .. if more people stood up and called BS as we are currently seeing the Occupy Wall Street movement and as well as from Ron Paul perhaps our world situation would not be as it is. ...So I commend Serenity for standing up for who she is regardless of what the Wilcock proponents say

[Lisab]

9Eagle9 that's one of the most inspiring posts Ive read since Chicadoodoo's United People's thread. Thankyou. I feel energised! And thankyou United Serenity.

[Lisab]

Ok I got a little excited there. I just want to say there have been MANY inspiring posts and threads since the United People's thread, but you get what I'm saying....I hope!
Now going back to read that post again!

[NexusEditor]

Unified Serenity - I agree with nearly everything you said in your opening post. I don't feel David was acting when he cried though. I got the feeling that was genuine, especially when he started the almost uncontrollable sobbing bit.
But - what struck me - was the thought that this was the 'moment' when David REALLY realised for the first time, that what he has been playing with for fame and fortune, was REAL, and that the info he so happily and positively puts out there,
can have consequences that he intellectually knew about - but had NOT, EMOTIONALLY realised or 'grocked'. (love that word, lol)

I say this as a person who has had a parallel experience. ie, I also happily maintained a naive, positive, new age outlook on everything, only to find myself one day (while investigating an alleged chemical weapons factory in north Africa in the late 80s) with two people screaming at me and pointing AK47s at my head. THAT was when it hit me that what I was investigating was REAL, and that the danger involved was actually REAL. (No, I didn't cry or crap my pants - my reaction was actually gob-smacked shock and I laughed at them - in retrospect it probably saved my life). I don't know how to explain it better than this - you sort of know the danger exists, but it doesn't hit you emotionally until you FEEL threatened.

I think when David got those threats, it suddenly hit home that what he has been peddling about the dangers of mixing with whistleblowers was REAL. Hence his shock. Like many on these threads, I think his 'shock' was then spin-managed in order to benefit/promote himself, Kerry, Morton and Fulford. And in doing so, it has left a bad taste in the mouths of many. That is my perception anyway.

I also think that people need to be aware of David's full history, and why there are so many nay-sayers and people who are critical of him. His claims of being the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce launched him into the attention arena of many on the internet, and you can make of that what you will. But in my mind, the thing that got David the most scorn and criticism was that cruise where he claimed to channel RA (and charged for it of course). There are clips of some of that 'channelling' available around the net, and it is blatantly obvious he faked the channelling. I have nothing against the Ra Material, (and the infamous 'service to self' - 'service to others' dividing line that most new agers have adopted as the new definition of 'good' and 'bad') - but David is perceived to have tried to 'cash in' on the respect of both Cayce and the RA channelling for personal benefit - and this has not left him in good standing with observers at all.

Those who research, read, and listen PROPERLY tend to keep open minds and do not find the need to take sides. So it should be when considering Wilcock's writings. We all know it is from other people's work originally, and that he is merely repackaging it with HIS perspective. And it is THAT perspective that is perceived to be one of HOPE - that is so attractive to people. I much prefer to see people like him sell 'hope' instead of 'fear'. I think hope has a better energy frequency than that of fear. And as much as I am perceived to criticise Fulford, I also acknowledge that he sells hope instead of fear.

MY only hope, is that when you buy hope from these people, that you don't get disappointed when certain events do not eventuate as predicted. (I hope this makes sense, I haven't had my morning coffee yet)

peace to you for the silly season and beyond

Duncan Roads
Nexus Magazine

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I know so many people who are triggering into these events because the martyrdom of spiritual leaders in the past is bound up in their psyche. It's the rule now, rather than the exception. If the Horus story hadn't happened and been looped over again and again, Christ's crucifction wouldn't have occurred. It was manifested long before Christ was born, and people knew this as they predicted his life, and his manifest into the physical. Because it had happened before.

9eagal9 you are so nearly right. But alas so far away. let me explain.

You are right about the christ/Horus link. It was infact the Atonites who first replaced the goddess with the male hero figure. The Atonites are responsible for the Jewish and christian religions. The soul purpose of the male hero bastardisation was to unbalance the female energy. The female aspect of spirituality is the higher conciousness and the road to higher conciousness. They done this by surpressing the knowledge from advanced races and their adepts. We see it in the creation story, the tree of knowledge being demonised along with eve the fallen, eating the forbidden fruit (Fly agaric). The mushroom represents the stolen shamanistic wisdom to the christ/universal concsiousness. Yahweh is a false god. He is representing the external judgment. The masculine unbalanced god.

What they are doing is warning people not to follow paganism. The natural religion. The cross represents the tree of knowledge the male martyr and weeping female is both a sub-concsious diversion and a joke. The Atonists practice the secret stolen knowledge and reep the benifits, they are raping the female knowledge ie building churches on lay lines, practicing sex magic and using conscious altering potions. The crucifixtion never happened. There may have been a Jesus figure at the time. But the offical story was a fiction, based on true events. Jesus is a mushroom, Literaly. That is the joke. People are worshiping a half truth. This half truth connects with the truth within each of us, we feel the truth and this sucks people in. Then they just accept the untruths ie, the crucifixion, the creation myth, sin ect. This happens with all religions not just ones with martyrs.

There is nothing wrong with heroes. Ghandi, Martin luther king to name just two. There are many many more. Where would the world be now without them and the support they recieved. What we need is heroines. I wonder what effect the female energy would have if given equal standing and respect. Heroes are wrongly fulfilling the role of the heroines. David has a female energy, he is intuative, emotional, mysterious. And just look what he is achieving. What people are doing by attacking David is attacking his femininity. This is what religion is designed to make us do. This is what we see happening today. People are always going to follow the light inside and out. David is of the light. There is nothing wrong with a person standing up for truth and asking other humans for support. I gladly give mine uncontitionaly, because that is truth. I expect the same fom david and so far he has done that. The amount of free work he publishes is astonishing. Not many people are willing to share there ideas and research to the extent he has.

What you are premoting 9eagal9 is non action. Turning within. What I am supporting is to embrace the feminine aspects of individuals who like us want the truth want the light. This costs nothing. Nobody's joining a cult, or selling their soul. All that is happening is people are recognising the light and honesty in David. They love him. Albeit not unconditionaly, hence the need to stick up for him. But genuinly they love him. What's wrong with that?

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Posted by blake (here)
Hello mariposaf,

Concerning your last paragragh you wrote:

"I will add however that, as I said to you before, this is a forum where we aren't able to see each other, we can never be 100% certain what energy a person is putting into their message, and it's very very very easy for our typed words to be misinterpreted. So if you truly believe yourself to be misunderstood, I invite you to take the time to examine your writing style"

mariposaf, in my opinion, as we read the various posts, throughout the year, it may be obvious that many are read and interpreted through different colored lenses, as humans usually do. If one observes the dynamics, as objectively as they can, perhaps they may see that "awake" people are not so different than the "unawake" people in that all people awake or not have their sacred cows, and react in similar ways when their sacred cow is percieved as being "attacked", justified or not. Through history, people in general, including people on this forum or not, seem to appear to generally have a very easy time of being critical of others, while seeing themselves with blind eyes; and often refusung to have the courage of looking critically in the mirror at themselves, with a detailed look at how they communciate with others. Perhaps when you write:

" I invite you to take the time to examine your writing style."

this would be wise advise to every member on this forum, including yourself, mariposaf, if we all sincerely want to be awake and supportive humans. If we call ourselves awake individuals, and yet we can not adjust our reaction, politely and respectfully, when one of our sacred cows is being attacked without attacking those who disagree with us, are we really awakedned humans?

So many write that everyone is entitled to their opinion, but what price do some posters pay, often through the "nasty" reactions of others, when they state an opinion quite different from someone else? It is my opinion until one starts looking carefully in the mirror, and judging their own actions, then they are not aiding the advancement of a harmonious society; instead they are detracting from it. When we tell others to improve their writing style when we are blind to our own, how exactly does that help the harmony of a group of " awakened people?"

I do sincerely wish you a merry and joyous yuletide season, in whatever way you choose, or not choose to celebrate. All humans have the same needs, why would anyone begrudge another good thoughts?

Sincerely,

Mr. Davis

I agree with you 100% ! I added that paragraph as a way of affirming something I'd already said to U.S. in a P.M.
I'm acutely aware of my own shortcomings as a writer, and have found to my (emotional) cost that certain homourous devices which work well in face to face situations not only miss the mark when written, but invariably end up misfiring. I'm also aware that if I'm too emotionally wound up about something, what I write ends up being gibberish and on a couple of occasions over-aggressive.
So I now have a policy of not posting if I'm : tired, upset, stressed, pissed off, drunk (haven't touched a drop for 81 days now !!), or overly emotionally attached to the topic.

As you so rightly say, EVERYONE on this forum, even the wisest, would benefit from reflecting on how their written word comes across.

Thank You.

[mariposafe]

Posted by NexusEditor (here)

I think when David got those threats, it suddenly hit home that what he has been peddling about the dangers of mixing with whistleblowers was REAL. Hence his shock. Like many on these threads, I think his 'shock' was then spin-managed in order to benefit/promote himself, Kerry, Morton and Fulford. And in doing so, it has left a bad taste in the mouths of many. That is my perception anyway.

Absolutely