Once again, great thread. This is my idea of a great discussion!
Posted by pie'n'eal (here)
Because your Higher Self and Source is still your ego!
It is a cover story.
“I don't need a guide, I will go on my own sweet way...I'll go happily round in circles....and I'm going to take as many others as I can with me...let's go!...follow meeeee!”
That is precisely why you are here: you are lost!
Oh I forgot, you chose to come here .... to do what?
An idea has infiltrated this and other forums, to trust YOUR inner instincts, YOUR intuition, because that is YOUR higher self...rubbish!
How sure are you that YOUR intuitions and instincts originated from “you”?
This higher self is merely your ego, clinging to its self-identity still.
It is still all about ME!!!
Ideas are put out there, to make you feel it's going to be alright - you have arrived, so no more searching! You do not have to be aware of anything...just be ...just snooze ..zz...zzz....zzzz...zzzzzzzzz!
When learning anything, we follow the same process of going step by step.
Through a method, we start at the beginning and work through the stages.
Once we understand, we find confidence and real freedom,
so that when something is not working, we know how to put it right.
The method of meditation is the same.
To say one does not have to learn anything is a misdirection.
Yes, you are “that which you seek” - but there is a lot more to it than just those words.
You wouldn't say that to an enlightened being...unless you wanted to make them laugh!
Agreed, we transition to this frame of thought but it changes nothing. We arrive at the bottom of the staircase and say, "Ah ha! I've found the answer!", and we stay at the bottom (maybe taking a few steps here and there). I believe complacency is the word I'd use to describe it.
I'd like to share a story.
(Source)Sri Ramakrishna taught, "always go forward." The world of religion is infinite. Sri Ramakrishna used to tell the story of the woodcutter and the holy man.
A woodcutter had long been working in a particular area of the forest. One day a holy man came that way and told him "Go forward." So he decided to go further into the forest. As a result, he discovered a sandalwood forest. He was very happy, as the sandalwood fetched him a lot more money than the other wood. He worked for a while in that area, but one day he remembered the holy man's words, "Go forward." He again went deeper into the forest and found a silver-mine He make a huge amount of money from it, but he did not stop there. After some time, he went further on and found a gold-mine. Again he went forward and discovered a mine of diamonds. He thus became richer and richer.
What Sri Ramakrishna meant was that we should keep going on and on in our spiritual pursuit. It is as if we are climbing the Himalayas.
We keep climbing higher and higher till we have reached the highest peak. We shouldn't be content with anything less than the highest and the best - this was his advice. How disappointed he would be if he found someone mistaking one of the lower peaks for the highest. He wanted us to keep pressing forward all the time. Let's suppose we've discovered a silver mine. But why should we stop there? Why not find a gold-mine, and even a diamond-mine? Let us go on and on, never thinking we've reached the goal. Going forward will be our goal.
I would say we have to unlearn to learn. (EDIT: I re-read this part, and I see now that's what you were saying—ah wordplay)Posted by pie'n'eal (here)
We have to learn to unlearn.
To uncover the layers of self deception.
It is not that difficult, but our habitual patterning keeps getting in the way.
That is why it is wise to follow a system to undo the knots, and so find freedom.
Ideas and thoughts bind us to our relative perspectives. They keep us grounded in our ego-mind. I think that it is a tool though; not to be destroyed, but transformed in order to undergo transmutation from little self to Self.
To quote Annie Besant:
Again, I know this, but I don't truly understand it until I experience it fully. It remains an idea and I fall prey to the complacency that I (and yourself) previously described.It is this wondrous nature of the Self, who is evolving in us through knowledge at the present time, that we have to study, in order to understand the nature of thought, and it is necessary to see clearly the illusory side in order that we may utilize the illusion to transcend it. So let us now study how Knowing - the relation between the Knower and the Known - is established, and this will lead us to see more clearly into the nature of thought.
I completely agree. The ego is very clever.Posted by pie'n'eal (here)
Of course, the ego wants to do its own thing, and say, “I am already free!”
This is merely a conceptual freedom. We are still clinging to the concept of “I” am “something”.
It is the same old habit that keeps the noose around our necks.
Once you have a sound method, you will find total confidence.
Finding total confidence means there is nothing to ever be defended.
No one can ever pull the wool over your eyes again...or the noose around your neck!
Very Zen of you, I like it.Posted by pie'n'eal (here)
To uncover the truth you really do have to take yourself apart. When you have realised Emptiness, then there is nothing more.
You know what, I love you guys.Posted by greybeard (here)
All belief systems identification must go.
I am a spiritual seeker--- I am a Christian--- I am a Buddhist.
Anything that has "I am" in front of it is miss-identification.
There isn't even a path because that gives the impression that I am the doer.
However the paradox is that, it seems that first you must seek enlightenment as a Divine inspired obsession then to learn that giving up the search may be the answer.
Wishing every-One the best of luck with their own way of finding the "One Truth."
(as I wish my very own self)
Ramesh said "God gave you an ego let Him remove it"
That "resonates" with me ----laughing hysterically,
Again, I would like to quote Annie Besant:
I agree Chris, they must go. They are merely a stepping stone to be used in order to progress, but they often become fly paper for most (myself included).The Thinker, having learned clearly to discriminate between objects by dwelling upon their unlikenesses, now begins to group them together by some attribute which appears in a number of objects otherwise dissimilar and makes a link between them. He draws out, abstracts, his common attribute, and sets all objects that possess it apart from the rest which are without it; and in this way he evolves the power of recognizing identity amid diversity, a step toward the much later recognition of the One underlying the many.