An examination of the Anunnaki and the planet Nibiru

[davyj0nes]

Another great great thread shot down because questioning the new age mythology is a big no no. Shame really, just the other day i found an interesting video on youtube that talked about the gods are not aliens and the aliens are not gods, and by chance i log into avalon and found this thread.

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2uOcyWmBn8

the video really got me thinking, and ishtar's posts really expanded my thinking on the subject. I used to believe the gods were aliens, but no longer. The gods are returning, but it wont be on rockets.

[Rahkyt]

It's all about terminology. I know that I, for instance, use the term gods with a lower-case 'g' in order to denote the ancient and potential extraterrestrial presence. In this thread, Ishtar took that to mean that I was talking about ultra-dimensional entities when I wasn't. That's all well and good, sometimes things get lost in translation, no big deal. The language is generally half the problem in cases like this, where people actually believe the same things, its just that our individual perceptions, language usage and knowledge base are not the same as others and we explain things in ways that are not always the clearest. The thread remains useful, not just in pointing out that issue but also the fact that there are a lot of emotions invested these issues. Entire egos.

[Unified Serenity]

Posted by DNA (here)

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5DhM2OMabY

This really is an excellent interview, thanks for posting it. I love his work.

[Sirius White]

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[kersley]

Posted by Sirius White (here)
Thank you for this topic.

I will come back and read more.

I can tell you right now the Annunaki are not merely psy ops.

Yes the Niburu nonsense is Psy ops, why?

Niburu can navigate its own course. It's not ever 3600 years or whatever, its every 12k years! People need to decipher texts! ALSO, Niburu has changed its course more than once and IF it comes this way, it will be in around 50-100 years or so from now.

The Annunaki are real, as are the beings. And yes some of them are here.

And NO, not all of them agree.

Understanding the truth about the Annunaki will also give you insight into the bible, Lucifer, and the Father God characters which are actually different characters.

For example, the being who saved humanity against the will of the Kingdom ("God" aka An and Enlil), the one who TOLD noah to build an ark (actually, old ET tech that resembled our submarines) was non other than Ea/En.KI. He was given the message by an "angel" from the "God of all" (aka, the Source, or Abba).

The jealous/envious God was Enlil, and there was a time where the Elohim wanted to wipe out the earth.

En.KI was also the one who wanted to give knowledge to humanity, and thus gave them the liberal arts and sciences (and if you look closely, the beginning of all the mystery schools). Hence En.KI is both the "Father" of humanity and also Lucifer, the one who rebelled against the "Kingdom" to save man from his plight.

The Annunaki are like us in their imperfections, they have waged war, and so have we on their behalf (and still do, such as the current Iran/US situation...too sensitive to talk about). They do not all agree and they are not evil enslavers.

Niburu comes, a great deal from Sirius way back in the day. Some say it was a marriage between Orion and Sirius B royalty (I do not know this).

A group of Annunaki are currently very involved with the WingMakers group. They are the ones who took over Mark Hempels site, and claimed it was all "fiction" (this is simply NOT true).

They have bases here, and are behind many groups as THEY are the ones afraid of the homeplanet coming back, thats why there is all this propaganda towards Planet X. They want you to join them in their fear. This includes the weaponization of space, the pinegap facility, and myriads of other things beyond the scope of our comprehension at this point.

YES, most Annunaki stuff is psyops/fear/propaganda.

But ....its bigger than you think it is. And many of them are quite good.

Can you prove any of what you say is true? You speak as tho these are facts? How and why have you come to these conclusions?

[Sirius White]

It doesn't matter.

You know, many people say they are starseeds from these people over there, and those light beings in Pleadies, or whatever is popular these days. But what about Annunak starseeds?

Some of what I said is quite easy to decipher. Look at the "Lost book" of EA/En.ki for example and you will see very obvious references to the bible there that predate it. Among many other stories. Is this fact? Well that depends, but the big picture gains clarity.

And why all this effort to generalize them all as evil or our enemies? Then come the people who see all the Niburu/Planet X propaganda, and thus assume since THAT must be BS, the whole "Annunaki" thing must be BS too.

It's never in the extremes. Everything has truths and untruths. And even what I said, lets just hypothetically say it was true- it would be untrue if you were to see the same "painting" I am.

This is why the "truth" will never be known in any sort of our brain, fact related basis. We keep uncovering new things as we move forward in time. And we aren't capable of "logically" understanding the whole things anyways. It can only be experienced deep within and in some cases- in the abstract.

I used to be one who used to blame them for everything, but not because of Icke, or channeling. But because of my own research/search/experiences. Yet, I am beginning to see it's not really so simple.

There are lots of psy ops out there. Aliens are a part of it. Some people assume because the shadow gov has a secret space program, that all UFO's are simply "Government craft." Some like to think that all mystery school knowledge or old stories (egyptian, sumerian, phenocian, etc) is only allegorical for symbolic for astrology or celestial movements. Never stopping to think that sometimes- both are true. A hyopthetical being in an ancient story can be the name of a star system, or perhaps to a celestial alignment of some astrological value. But, so can that being also have literally existed, and perhaps- in the same way we name streets in the names of Celebrities (taking place of the Old Gods in the human genetic need to externalize authority) and Politicians, so did they.

It all "comes" from somewhere. And aliens is only the "tip of the iceberg."

[kersley]

Posted by Sirius White (here)
It doesn't matter.

You know, many people say they are starseeds from these people over there, and those light beings in Pleadies, or whatever is popular these days. But what about Annunak starseeds?

Some of what I said is quite easy to decipher. Look at the "Lost book" of EA/En.ki for example and you will see very obvious references to the bible there that predate it. Among many other stories. Is this fact? Well that depends, but the big picture gains clarity.

And why all this effort to generalize them all as evil or our enemies? Then come the people who see all the Niburu/Planet X propaganda, and thus assume since THAT must be BS, the whole "Annunaki" thing must be BS too.

It's never in the extremes. Everything has truths and untruths. And even what I said, lets just hypothetically say it was true- it would be untrue if you were to see the same "painting" I am.

This is why the "truth" will never be known in any sort of our brain, fact related basis. We keep uncovering new things as we move forward in time. And we aren't capable of "logically" understanding the whole things anyways. It can only be experienced deep within and in some cases- in the abstract.

I used to be one who used to blame them for everything, but not because of Icke, or channeling. But because of my own research/search/experiences. Yet, I am beginning to see it's not really so simple.

There are lots of psy ops out there. Aliens are a part of it. Some people assume because the shadow gov has a secret space program, that all UFO's are simply "Government craft." Some like to think that all mystery school knowledge or old stories (egyptian, sumerian, phenocian, etc) is only allegorical for symbolic for astrology or celestial movements. Never stopping to think that sometimes- both are true. A hyopthetical being in an ancient story can be the name of a star system, or perhaps to a celestial alignment of some astrological value. But, so can that being also have literally existed, and perhaps- in the same way we name streets in the names of Celebrities (taking place of the Old Gods in the human genetic need to externalize authority) and Politicians, so did they.

It all "comes" from somewhere. And aliens is only the "tip of the iceberg."

The lost book of Enki states that the face on Mars belongs to Ansu who once ruled on Nibiru.. Sitchin went on to say that Ansu bit off Anu penis during a fight to rule nibiru.
The lost book of Enki is FICTION NOT FACTS

[Sirius White]

Posted by kersley (here)

Posted by Sirius White (here)
It doesn't matter.

You know, many people say they are starseeds from these people over there, and those light beings in Pleadies, or whatever is popular these days. But what about Annunak starseeds?

Some of what I said is quite easy to decipher. Look at the "Lost book" of EA/En.ki for example and you will see very obvious references to the bible there that predate it. Among many other stories. Is this fact? Well that depends, but the big picture gains clarity.

And why all this effort to generalize them all as evil or our enemies? Then come the people who see all the Niburu/Planet X propaganda, and thus assume since THAT must be BS, the whole "Annunaki" thing must be BS too.

It's never in the extremes. Everything has truths and untruths. And even what I said, lets just hypothetically say it was true- it would be untrue if you were to see the same "painting" I am.

This is why the "truth" will never be known in any sort of our brain, fact related basis. We keep uncovering new things as we move forward in time. And we aren't capable of "logically" understanding the whole things anyways. It can only be experienced deep within and in some cases- in the abstract.

I used to be one who used to blame them for everything, but not because of Icke, or channeling. But because of my own research/search/experiences. Yet, I am beginning to see it's not really so simple.

There are lots of psy ops out there. Aliens are a part of it. Some people assume because the shadow gov has a secret space program, that all UFO's are simply "Government craft." Some like to think that all mystery school knowledge or old stories (egyptian, sumerian, phenocian, etc) is only allegorical for symbolic for astrology or celestial movements. Never stopping to think that sometimes- both are true. A hyopthetical being in an ancient story can be the name of a star system, or perhaps to a celestial alignment of some astrological value. But, so can that being also have literally existed, and perhaps- in the same way we name streets in the names of Celebrities (taking place of the Old Gods in the human genetic need to externalize authority) and Politicians, so did they.

It all "comes" from somewhere. And aliens is only the "tip of the iceberg."

The lost book of Enki states that the face on Mars belongs to Ansu who once ruled on Nibiru.. Sitchin went on to say that Ansu bit off Anu penis during a fight to rule nibiru.
The lost book of Enki is FICTION NOT FACTS

lol this is one small example.

And again you are thinking purely in extremes.

Sitchin wasn't 100% right in his interpretations. In fact he missed many points. Somethings were symbolic PURELY, and other things quite literal (but not like how he made it out to be).

You have to dig much deeper.

The Annunaki are very involved in our affairs, in particular within certain people/groups. I have known some who communicate with them. And I do not mean channeling, I mean TELEPATHICALLY. The intelligence community is very aware of them, and are torn between taking "sides."Many are simply in the middle trying to liaison the whole thing.

The "biting penis thing" is purely symbolic. Understand the basis of phallis in our own world, and maybe you will see what it means in theirs.

I don't care if you believe me or not. Your opinion means nothing to me (no offense). It's too late in the game for that.

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BTW, onyx nails some things. Niburu is not stationed in our particular reality, but it does "cross over" into our own sometimes. Our "underworld" is also such a realm/plane, and has both a literal counterpart, and an astral.

Some beings were "bound" to our astral when earth became "quarantined." An/Anu banished them, and created a sort of "gatekeeper system." This system, is why certain initiates in certain schools- and also why the ancient babylonian magick and abrelim spirits can be summoned utilized through the soft technology of ancient magick. Since we have been "cut off" from the higher dimensions (figuratively speaking), these beings were stuck behind but some disembodied. So some of them seek to get into a body in any way possible, or work off their karma and many lose their consciousness altogether.

Then, there is also the others (who are more.."Saurian") who were also banished to the underworld, or inner earth (and I'm not saying its hollow, it's not but there are civilizations with lots of space there), and not supposed to come to the surface. They themselves, have been at war with the "Celestial" kingdom for god knows how long, and well....some of the story is found in the bible some of it not (some of it is astral/inter-dimensional).

In order to access some of these spaces, one has to go through a "Gate." Of which there are a few, some sealed, but most totally and utterly hidden. And I'm not talking about underground facilities here.

Long ago some of the more exploitative Annunaki created a system to trap the souls of earth here. To talk about this goes waaaaay beyond the scope of this topic, as nobody is sure of the specifics. Yet even if you go into the Necronomicon, and various other (some very hard to find) texts, there is a speaking of some of the nastiest beings banished and utilized as "gate keepers" of the earth. This is all but losing its hold and disassembling as we speak (think of a vibrational barrier). There is more but it gets weird.

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Some people bring up Jesus, and symbolic stories. Again...perhaps both are true, but with the facts somewhat changed.

Perhaps "avatars of God" are born ALL the time (after all, aren't we ALL avatars of God? The only difference is self realization!), and have similar CELESTIAL and ASTROLOGICAL patterns for a REASON. Perhaps the character known as Jesus is INDEED an conglomeration of many different beliefs/systems, BUT a character DID exist at that time (known by the name of Jeshu, or Yeshua). The "Church" did this on purpose!

A great deal of the bible is a rehashing of Sumerian, babylonian, Judaic, Egyptian, and other ancient mysteries put into one "single story." People here try and say the Illuminati are going to create a "new religion" not realizing they already did! In the times of Nicea.

In otherwords, as above so below. The symbolic and the literal intertwine all the time!

[david9472]

Fascinating thread. There is a wealth of information and research done by Wes Penre at his site http://wespenre.com He also cites many of his references which include the Wingmakers stuff, AR Borden - Life Physics Group -California, and many others beyond Stitchen.

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Trying to get caught up on this great thread. I thank all for participating.

I would like to suggest it's all about expanding consciousness. We get one theory that helps us to grow and then when we're ready we get the next theory, i.e. Newtonian physics to quantum physics. But some tend to get one theory and hang on to it. They stop moving forward on the stream of consciousness, pull over to the bank and build a shrine to their current theory. The minute that happens the PTB (whoever they are at the time, i.e. priests, kings, dictators, presidents) can easily sabotage and control the shrine and therefore those that now worship it. That does not mean that the original theory had no value ~ just that it was sabotaged.

Of course the problem is we are all learning and experiencing at a different pace, and consequently many believe that "their current belief system" is the end all. Instead, it would be a benefit to all, if we simply listen at a deep level to others and if it doesn't resonate with where we are, simply file their beliefs in our mental cabinet. I find when I do this, often at same later point in time, which could be minutes, months or years, some of these theories I once rejected will suddenly make sense and take me to a higher place when I'm ready. Others, I will realize were places (or theories I have already passed and no longer need), but that doesn't mean they are not useful to the person who currently believes them. Just as most first graders cannot absorb calculus without first learning addition and subtraction.

Although I caution that we should not judge one belief more advanced of another. Not for us to judge others. Only to make sure that we are continuing to move down the stream of consciousness and not stuck on the bank.

[Sirius White]

There is never an "end all" understanding.

I have tried to rationalize all this away, I have gone to the other side of the most extreme "cooky" theories. I have tried to interpret everything purely symbolically, and also explore the "literal."

What I have come to, is that the universe is a multi-dimensional hologram consistent of both inner and "outer" spaces. Oscillating, pulsating, vibrating, in various spectrum of geometry, mathematics, and ineffable mechanics (what we can coin, spirit).

We think we are interpreting things only "symbolically." And indeed, this can bring about the great revelation of spiritual truths. For look at your dreams, are they not symbolic emanations of your subconscious and day to day life? Then what we we???

This is when I realized, that what is symbolic is literal in another "mind frame" and what is literal is "symbolic" to another. WE are geomantic symbols ourselves! WE, and our WORLD is made up of similar correlations, symbols, geometries, and "synchronicities" as it is in itself, a time-matrix, or a sort of "individualized hologram" within a "collective one" with its respective "Frequency barrier." This ascension business, and change in thought-patterns is affecting our cellular matrix, as it is effecting our morphogenetic template.

What happens is our idea of what "is" and "isn't" begins to expand. Our reality itself changes around ourselves as suddenly "new" truths, which are actually ancient, come forward from our unconscious>subconscious>conscious mind, and we begin to have more awareness, control, and personal commanding over our own personal "lives." Knowledge and information comes around that may empower us (or diempower us, our choice), suddenly new perspectives open up.

The same story can be looked at in 100 different ways. The story of Jesus both real and symbolic. The Annunaki both real and symbolic. Just like the magickal systems of west, and alchemical systems of east. Manifestation is not just for LOA New Agers, nor is the "philosophers stone" merely a symbol of inherent spiritual transformation, it is also REAL. Just like Vrill and Prima Materia.

You are living in a "symbolic hologram" LITERALLY. And by looking, observing its patterns, allows you to see the ENTIRE pattern, CONNECT with its flow and see all the "signs" and "synchronicities." Two things that seem COMPLETELY unrelated, such as a movie made in the 1990's, and a theory from the ancient past, and Saddhams buttcrack have a CONNECTION, however subtle you may see or know, because the universe itself, functions at this fractal level, is is connected invisibly to all things!

Interconnected, exchanging information, and relaying them to our conscious minds as "TRUTH." This is why, reality is relative, and each persons is different from one another. Yet we all share collectively many things, including "laws" and "facts." But those change yearly don't they? Look at science for instance.....

Never shut your mind down, or think you've found the "holy grail" of understanding. ALWAYS grow as the Universe does. A word of warning: the opinions of others will get smaller and smaller as you do this, and communicating your own- will become very difficult.

Take care all, no offense to anybody Love you all.