Patrick Geryl's claims of a global cataclysm in 2012

[araucaria]

There is a lot we don’t understand about stars, inevitably so since our life span is so much shorter.

As I recall, Paul LaViolette, author of the galactic superwave theory implicit in the above posts, says that stars grow and grow, and that blue stars are in fact smaller stars in a later stage of their existence, rather than shortlived stars, as current theory tells us. So we might be seeing things back to front. For example, when astronomers see galaxies ‘colliding’, they have to admit that no actual collisions are involved. For all we know, they may be making love It is a mistake children make.

The Dec 21st 2012 date in itself is nothing, but the hype in the build-up towards that date is certainly something. There is now no doubt that something will happen on that date, and it is this: those currently powerful people who had a vested interest in something untoward occurring will no longer have a leg to stand on, and the rest of us will be able to get on with our lives in peace. At last.

[Tarka the Duck]

Posted by BestLion (here)

Posted by Tarka the Duck (here)
@ gooty

Hello! The site 2012hoax.org is interesting if you want to investigate other reviews of his work.

Kathie

I just looked at this site, and I do think it is good to get BOTH sides of any case, esp a end of the world senerio. i totally agree that most 2012 people are after the money, write books, or scam people into giving money via their business 'they sell survival stuff".
The main thing about 2012 I am slightly disturb about is 1. The cosmic alignment with the black hole (dark Rift). This happens every 25,000 or so years, and no scientist knows what will happen, can only speculate..maybe nothing, maybe something 2. Solar flares- Nasa says we are overdue for a solar flare of unprecedented power, these have hit in the past..like the major one in 1859. 3. What is disturbing is that it appears every 25,000 years some cataclysmic even happens on earth..are we due again? Sure this will happen again..will it be 2012 or 9012?
Those are the three items I feel may be troubling about 2012.

Hello again BL

You say you are disturbed by 3 things: he so-called Dark Rift, the solar flares and a cataclysmic event happening every 25,000 years.

Dark rift: do you understand what is meant by "dark rift"? I'm certainly no astrophysicist, but I'm pretty sure it's nothing to be disturbed about.

The "Dark Rift" or "Great Rift" or "Milky Way Rift" is not actually a 'rift' at all. It is a series of overlapping dust and molecular gas clouds that are positioned between our solar system and the nuclear bulge of the galaxy. These clouds block the light from that portion of the milky way, and cause it to appear as if the Milky Way is divided into two roughly equal sections above and below them. These clouds (or 'dark nebulae') are several thousand light years distant, and almost completely obscure the central portion of the galaxy from our view.1 One of the Messier objects (M24) is actually a window or tunnel through the dust clouds. What appears to be a deep sky object is actually a portion of the Sagittarius Arm of the galaxy.

I won't paste all the technical stuff about it, but here is the conclusion:

We have shown that contrary to often-heard claims, the Dark Rift Alignment on the Winter Solstice is not a "unique", "extremely rare", "once in 25,800 years" occurrence. We have also shown that there are no consequences to this alignment.

Solar flares: The sun is unpredictable, and it can send a massive coronal mass ejection in our direction at any point in time, regardless of the sunspot cycle. Likewise, the sun is perfectly capable of not generating a lot of solar flares or CMEs, even during solar max. Activity tends to be more frequent during solar max, but not necessarily stronger.


Cataclysmic event every 25,000 years: what is the evidence for this theory that that disturbs you?

Kathie

[VaughnB]

From my Geology days, the past several hundred pole reversals occurred gradually, as it is doing to this day. The magnetic fields will separate perhaps into as many as eight lesser field bodies, which will diminish our protection from solar radiation but not enough to really cause significant cancers.

We can avoid exposure. During the months of magnetic flux to full reversal there will be no major upset in plate tectonics, the fields have nothing to do with the motion of the floating land masses.

No worries, poor fellow but he'll be o.k., just go back to work again in Belgium.

************

Real Concerns:
Political
Economic
Social
and maybe things we can't prevent CME or asteroids.

[BestLion]

Kathie, I only said a few of those things are troubling! Solar flares have causes problems before on earth ie 1859. The cosmic alignment, i don't think astronomers know that much about it..could be a nonevent as you say. I personally am no expert on that matter, I read a few that claim it is a non event, others say it is a bigger event then we think..I suppose time will tell.
About 25,000 year event- Well it does seem that around this time something happens, if be a pole shift, or massive volcanic eruptions that lead to a dark period.. Remember a massive volcanic eruption can effect the clime and cause widespread famine and very cold climate even in hot areas.
Do i buy into Patricks..'run for the hills" no i don't. i i do think he is selling more books being more chicken little. he to me is like a Christian pastor who has preached the rapture 100 times..to where that pastor actually thinks the world will end and Jesus will sweep him away.
The Mayan prediction has only been recently discovered and encoded. i think around 1992 it was first encoded. Then after this time many stories started floating about it. Then around 1997 they started talking end of the world 2012 from it..so i think the translation of it went a little too radical.
Hope that clears some stuff up>

[gooty64]

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNxvYX7zih8

a little tension breaker-----a guilty pleasure

[Tarka the Duck]

Hello BL

I'm really glad to hear that you're not worried...as we both said, anything can happen at any time...
I am just very wary of people who pop up out of nowhere, with little background in the subject about which they are writing, usually spouting extreme prophecies and predictions of some kind!
Unfortunately, they get more attention that the quiet, professionals who just chug along in the background.
I do try and stay open minded - but, as someone told me the other day, not so open that my brain falls out.

Kathie

[BestLion]

I am just very wary of people who pop up out of nowhere, with little background in the subject about which they are writing, usually spouting extreme prophecies and predictions of some kind!

Well this Patrick guy as I read into his theory's (spent some time today on it)..so he claims (his theories)..are not new..all already been addressed..esp about 2012..He only takes a few bits here, and there..from others and makes his own conclusions..just as you and I could easily do. All this solar flares etc..has been talked about for years..by many..seems near all his 2012 ideas are NOT original but tidbits from here and there writers on the subject..I'm not dismissing the guy..but he does esp as of today and my research on this topic' come off to me as a hell -fire-brimstone evangelist..that is also making tons of cash in the process of preaching hells fire.
i do think something will happen on Dec 2012..something physical not mental. End of the world..mass die off?? Could...heck anyway could..in 1995 we could have been hit by the Shoemaker Levey 9 comet and thus chapter closed on mankind. Now the Mayans and the almanac given to them was also a local thing., For example the eclipse they predicted would happen there but maybe not in China. an Eclipse does not last long some only seconds. Thus through my research on this..i tend to think the Mayan calendar was a more 'local event" thus i think something may happen to South America on this day..maybe a volcano?? maybe something else?

[Tarka the Duck]

He only takes a few bits here, and there..from others and makes his own conclusions..just as you and I could easily do.

The difference is that neither of us would write a book about it...
Kathie

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by TargeT (here)

Posted by BestLion (here)
[Our just-in-time culture for delivery networks may represent the pinnacle of efficiency, but it means that supermarket shelves would empty very quickly – delivery trucks could only keep running until their tanks ran out of fuel, and there is no electricity to pump any more from the underground tanks at filling stations.

Back-up generators would run at pivotal sites – but only until their fuel ran out. For hospitals, that would mean about 72 hours of running a bare-bones, essential care only, service. After that, no more modern healthcare.

The truly shocking finding is that this whole situation would not improve for months, maybe years: melted transformer hubs cannot be repaired, only replaced.

Even when some systems are capable of receiving power again, there is no guarantee there will be any to deliver.

Almost all natural gas and fuel pipelines require electricity to operate.

Coal-fired power stations usually keep reserves to last 30 days, but with no transport systems running to bring more fuel, there will be no electricity in the second month.


…With no power for heating, cooling or refrigeration systems, people could begin to die within days.

There is immediate danger for those who rely on medication.

Lose power to New Jersey, for instance, and you have lost a major centre of production of pharmaceuticals for the entire US.

Perishable medications such as insulin will soon be in short supply.

"In the US alone there are a million people with diabetes," Kappenman says. "Shut down production, distribution and storage and you put all those lives at risk in very short order."

a CME of that scale would render anything built after 1950 (guessing here...) vehicle wise useless, as most vehicles have key systems dependant on transistors... in other words gasoline would be good for fires, thats about it.. 98% of vehicles would cease to function untill key eletrical components were replaced. computers are especially vulnerable as the faster they go the smaller and more delicate the transistors are...

One nuclear explosion in the atmosphere over the US would take out 80% of the US's eletrical grid... this is a huge vulnerability.

Yes: this is very important information here.

Must read:

http://projectcamelot.org/electrical_engineer.html

-- the sequence of e-mails to Project Camelot (dated April 2009) from the wife of a senior electrical engineer in the UK who had been officially briefed about a serious major threat to infrastructure in 2012-13.

We believed this was very credible information, and were as sure as we could be that the e-mails were authentic.

[Midnight Rambler]

A friend of mine is an electrician. He told me that, because of an expected threat of a solar flare, his work had become very busy. He is, for more than a year now, installing some new technology that must prevent system failure of the electricity grid in case of a heavy CME, with EMP consequences.

I've known this friend for a long time and trust him completely. He came with this information after I told something about the sun cycle.

He told me this information about a year ago and when I asked him about it six months later he told me not to worry about it, much had been done to prevent the problem.

I really don't know any more than this. I think the grid here may be protected, but the electrical equipment in homes and in cars probably not.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Midnight Rambler (here)
A friend of mine is an electrician. He told me that, because of an expected threat of a solar flare, his work had become very busy. He is, for more than a year now, installing some new technology that must prevent system failure of the electricity grid in case of a heavy CME, with EMP consequences.

I've known this friend for a long time and trust him completely. He came with this information after I told something about the sun cycle.

He told me this information about a year ago and when I asked him about it six months later he told me not to worry about it, much had been done to prevent the problem.

I really don't know any more than this. I think the grid here may be protected, but the electrical equipment in homes and in cars probably not.

Dear Friend:

Please refer your electrician friend to the Camelot article

http://projectcamelot.org/electrical_engineer.html

... and ask him for his take on this. It may prompt him to say a little more. Please ask him for as much detail as he knows -- and (importantly) how he knows it.

I have quite a lot of attention on this threat, and your friend might possibly be able to add some important pieces to the puzzle. There's quite a lot of evidence that none of us are being told about an expected threat to the global power grid in the next 12-24 months.

[TargeT]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Midnight Rambler (here)
A friend of mine is an electrician. He told me that, because of an expected threat of a solar flare, his work had become very busy. He is, for more than a year now, installing some new technology that must prevent system failure of the electricity grid in case of a heavy CME, with EMP consequences.

I've known this friend for a long time and trust him completely. He came with this information after I told something about the sun cycle.

He told me this information about a year ago and when I asked him about it six months later he told me not to worry about it, much had been done to prevent the problem.

I really don't know any more than this. I think the grid here may be protected, but the electrical equipment in homes and in cars probably not.

Dear Friend:

Please refer your electrician friend to the Camelot article

http://projectcamelot.org/electrical_engineer.html

... and ask him for his take on this. It may prompt him to say a little more. Please ask him for as much detail as he knows -- and (importantly) how he knows it.

I have quite a lot of attention on this threat, and your friend might possibly be able to add some important pieces to the puzzle. There's quite a lot of evidence that none of us are being told about an expected threat to the global power grid in the next 12-24 months.

Perhaps in .NL (netherlands?) something is being done.. and its gotta be something unknown in the US because over here there is no known work around.. its like the problem is being looked at by deer in headlights... they aren't really doing anything but watching.

there's an excelent book on the subject (fictional, but WELL researched) called One Second After ( http://www.amazon.com/One-Second-Aft.../dp/0765317583 ) it basically "war games" the scenario in a smaller town.. & I'll tell you this, the things he writes about are very well researched from the stand point of a first responder... this book is very close to scenario's that have been discussed by National guard planning teams that I've been involved in.

The clonclusion is : hope we don't get hit.

[Midnight Rambler]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
Dear Friend:

Please refer your electrician friend to the Camelot article.

I have sent him the article and asked him if he is able to share more information. When I hear back from him I will let you know.

Posted by TargeT (here)
Perhaps in .NL (netherlands?)

Yes Target, NL stands for the Netherlands.

[BestLion]

Solar flare hit in 1859 and fried the entire network of all electronic telegraphs. NASA has said even that solar flare build up is extremely high and ready to go off..they went off in the past..ie 1859 and created disarray. Patrick whom I find a bit extreme..but he does have good points..says 2012 will be a massive storm of these solar flares. NASA btw tends to agree with him..The USA sent up satellites to observe solar flares.
If a solar flare even on the scale of the 1859 flare hit the current earth its lights outs. The Mayan calendar says the god of the sun will stick...this is probably a solar flare of maximum grade.
Also think Fukashima power plant melted down due to what? The lack of electrical power!!!!!!!!! a massive solar flare may lead to 100s of nuke meltdowns worldwide!
The Japan emperors spoke of 3 days darkness..may it be a solar flare?..ie taking out all power grids?

[Midnight Rambler]

I have done some researching and found some interesting articles. Solar storms are forecasted and measures can be taken to protect the grid. So the conclusion could be that if a flare of the magnitude of 1859 should occur and the grid is heavily damaged because of it, this is a deliberate action not to intervene or someone is not doing their job very well.


As Sun Storms Ramp Up, Electric Grid Braces for Impact

"If operators know a couple days beforehand that there's a good likelihood of a storm, they can postpone maintenance of critical lines," Pulkkinen said. This step maximizes the amount of the grid available, reducing strain if localized portions fail.

"Operators can also bring in more reserve power to the system to make it as stable as possible," he said. If particular transformers start showing signs of trouble, operators can reduce their load or disconnect them.

If the storm is expected to be severe enough, "the most dramatic action is to close down the entire grid," Pulkkinen said. "If the system is turned off, the extra DC currents alone won't harm the transformers."

But such a move would be "the last mitigation measure in the toolbox," he said, because switching the system off intentionally would result in temporary blackouts.

SPACECAST

SPACECAST is a Collaborative Project funded by the European Union Framework 7 programme. SPACECAST will help protect satellites on orbit by modelling and forecasting high energy particle radiation.

SPACE WEATHER

Forecasting the impact of an 1859-caliber superstorm on geosynchronous Earth-orbiting satellites: Transponder resources

[BestLion]

Midnight Ramble, do you think they will shut off the entire power grid of the USA..cause some satellite told them to?> or in Russia-China? I dont think they will and that flare will burn out all electronics that are powered in..The 1859 had fires to telegraphs..etc..A solar flare of high power will melt all that stuff to nothing. It will be like plugin in a CPU to a 100V and having 2,300 V hit it...will fry all electronics. Cars, computers, electric grid, airplanes in flight, and TVs..no one will know what hit em...then after will be a run on the supermarkets..creating food shortage...Riots will happen in Big cities as no police can communicate due to lose of power on their walkies talkies. A solar flare hit in 1859 due we think cause we have more tech that we are exempt?

[Phoenix1304]

Suhweet!: (the pictures of Kerry & Bill), I tried editing to add the quote, but can't.



I so often wish there was just a laugh button on this forum! It can get very intense in here! The smilies just don't cut it.

As to this vid. bit slick wasn't it? Clever, relentless and powerful footage of CATASTROPHIC DISASTER, of predominantly, the Japanese in a movieland Tsunami. I wonder when it was made, by whom and the motive? BestlLion seems v. impressed with Percy Geryl ; ) made me wonder if he IS one and the same.

It put me in mind of that interesting film 'Knowing', where the ets rescue the chosen from annihilation. Of course, the elite may have a ticket to ride off planet as others have posited. But in 'Knowing' the chosen were the pure of heart, I'll hold onto that as my guide to the future. A solar blast would be a sudden and merciful end compared to surviving a post nuclear world. So now I can go over to the other thread I was reading today about a nuke at the Olympics and bioterrorism on the tubes and worry about that. I realise that energy flows where the attention goes, so I endeavour to balance negative images and ideas, but I want to hear all the theories, this one included, I've been anticipating this year for decades - found the forum just in time! So thanks for posting.

Geophysical events may be unavoidable or controlled by the great sim master from his holodeck but occur they do, in regular cycles, we know civilisations and species have come and gone before us, we chose to be here and I found myself thinking today, why would I have signed up for this? The greatest show in the Universe every 26,000 years? Sudden death. Okay, but why? Maybe the consciousness experiment. Bring on Drunvalo, I want some soothing words.

don't mind me, just rambling....

[BestLion]

The greatest show in the Universe every 26,000 years? Sudden death.

Well I plan to buy some vodka and beer on Dec 20th and drink just in case for 2 days strait. "The Mayans predict UA time about 1 Am on Dec 22nd..or 8:00 PM New york time Dec 21st) if nothing happens I have a hangover I can recover from..if something then i went out with a smile!

[Phoenix1304]

Posted by BestLion (here)

Posted by Tarka the Duck (here)
@ gooty

Hello! The site 2012hoax.org is interesting if you want to investigate other reviews of his work.

Kathie

I just looked at this site, and I do think it is good to get BOTH sides of any case, esp a end of the world senerio. i totally agree that most 2012 people are after the money, write books, or scam people into giving money via their business 'they sell survival stuff".
The main thing about 2012 I am slightly disturb about is 1. The cosmic alignment with the black hole (dark Rift). This happens every 25,000 or so years, and no scientist knows what will happen, can only speculate..maybe nothing, maybe something 2. Solar flares- Nasa says we are overdue for a solar flare of unprecedented power, these have hit in the past..like the major one in 1859. 3. What is disturbing is that it appears every 25,000 years some cataclysmic even happens on earth..are we due again? Sure this will happen again..will it be 2012 or 9012?
Those are the three items I feel may be troubling about 2012.

Hello BestLion, I was talking to an astrologer recently who says he has found no extraordinary planetary alignments for December 21, 2012 (although he has found some in the summer!), I was massively disappointed because I had heard about this 'galactic alignment' on 21.12.12, so this 'cosmic alignment with the black hole (dark Rift)', can you elaborate on this as I would like to see the astronomic evidence for it and learn more about it.

[BestLion]

Hello BestLion, I was talking to an astrologer recently who says he has found no extraordinary planetary alignments for December 21, 2012 (although he has found some in the summer!), I was massively disappointed because I had heard about this 'galactic alignment' on 21.12.12, so this 'cosmic alignment with the black hole (dark Rift)', can you elaborate on this as I would like to see the astronomic evidence for it and learn more about it.

Thanks..I also on the side do a bit of astronomy, but I am not pro. I have a small telescope my wife bought me for Xmas in 2003 I use. I can see Jupiter and the planets good..and some stars, but I can NOT see that black hole they talk about or anything out of the ordinary.
The Mayans say the sun god will return..so if any event happens in 2012 will not come from a cosmic alignment "or may' but from the sun..the alignment may effect the sun..