Patrick Geryl's claims of a global cataclysm in 2012

[Wind]

It would be fun if Bill and Kerry could do a little recap with Geryl in 2013. Meaning that all of us are still left here.

[kersley]

Posted by norman (here)
If the surface of the earth moves like that, why do so many ancient sites still align with true north and the stars?

Norman, you made a very good point...maybe you should email Patrick and ask the same question? Let me know if you get a response...

[Arrowwind]

Geryl speaks in the movie called 2012: An Awakening
really is fear mongering cause if it happens no one will survive so whats the point in getting into it?
Life life today as it is a gift and that it is a gift that keeps on giving.

[BestLion]

Norman, you made a very good point...maybe you should email Patrick and ask the same question? Let me know if you get a response...

If you watch the 1:30 minute interview he mentions this. From what i gather is he doesn't think anything is left intact from the previous civilization that was destroyed, and thus I think he doesn't think the Pyramids and other megalithic monuments are older then the last catastrophe that hit the earth....and if you think about it..on this part modern science would agree with him, they man made place the oldest place on earth to be only like 8,000 BC..They say Puma Punku is only around 4,000 or so BC Giza at 2,200 BC..
Also note the megalithic things that were found..most are utterly destroyed like the huge Puma Punku..made out of granite..that would be near indestructible..yet something of great magnitude destroyed it. "Indications of a great cataclysm"
So really then If the surface of the earth moves like that, why do so many ancient sites still align with true north and the stars? That wouldn't hold up to his thesis. Also many megalithic structure are not aligned to anything..like the really old ones like Arkaim in Russia yet that thing more then likely went through 1 or maybe 2 earth cataclysms before.

[Ivanhoe]

Run for yer live's, we're all gonna die!
Sorry y'all, no offence, but here's my take on it.

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2_qxnAwfgk

[BestLion]

Posted by Arrowwind (here)
Geryl speaks in the movie called 2012: An Awakening
really is fear mongering cause if it happens no one will survive so whats the point in getting into it?
Life life today as it is a gift and that it is a gift that keeps on giving.

I believe he does think man will survive but only like 1%. In the past the earth has went through a few of these events and man survived..Likely also 1% of the population. i read a book once about Atlantis and the guy who wrote it said that earth population then was like 1 billion people, and only about 8,000,000 or so survived the great event.

[BestLion]

Run for yer live's, we're all gonna die!
Sorry y'all, no offence, but here's my take on it.

He may be right he may be wrong, but the sun and earth will one day have an event that triggers a new ice age. Its happened before and will happen again..2012? I hope not! And I don't think it will... maybe 2025? maybe 5,012? One thing is for sure a spiritual, highly advanced culture like Atlantis perished via that event.

[Matts]

How can we be sure about the date. I have heard in history class, that there may be greater gaps in time count stemming from historical conflicts in the Middle Ages. Then there is still divergent count of the Mayan calendar. According to John Calleman Mayan priests and the Mayan calendar ended on 28 October last year. So what now?
And then is it still possible to influence the future itself, with its own free will and change the focus of our consciousness. For this purpose encourage some channeled transmissions of our extraterrestrial neighbors.
So I'm not very sure about Patric Geryl's results.
Because these other factors he has not in view and at the sun and the cosmos he just looks just as simply physical structures. Not as a living being like in the old cultures...

[etm567]

Posted by norman (here)
If the surface of the earth moves like that, why do so many ancient sites still align with true north and the stars?

Because they were built after the last big cataclysm.

The ones that were there before, if there were any, or the ones we haven't found.

[BestLion]

Posted by etm567 (here)

Posted by norman (here)
If the surface of the earth moves like that, why do so many ancient sites still align with true north and the stars?

Because they were built after the last big cataclysm.

The ones that were there before, if there were any, or the ones we haven't found.

He tends to think Atlantis is under the ice now in the arctic. i tend to also agree with this theory, and so do many others who talk about Atlantis and Thule. These were once tropical paradises, and now are buried under 2 KM of ice. That would mean earth crust displacement happened and a pole shift. I am near sure if the ice melted in the arctic then we would find tons of megalithic monuments and cities there. Also in many myths esp that of the Scandinavian nations they all say the Viking of old came from the Arctic.
Anyway , yeah all standing monuments we see today like Giza, Stonehenge, etc were built AFTER the great cataclysm that destroyed Atlantis.

Because these other factors he has not in view and at the sun and the cosmos he just looks just as simply physical structures. Not as a living being like in the old cultures...

I agree with you i feel the earth -Sun stars all are a living soul, and so did the past great civilizations.

[Second Son]

Here are some cold, hard facts to all those here, regardless of their take on the Mayan prophesy...

1)The earth's magnetic field has flip-flopped before many times in fairly rapid succession, in fact.

2)If we are to believe there is even a shred of truth to any/all of the religious texts, as well as indigenous oral traditions, then we have to believe that there has been earth changing catastrophe visited on us in the past.

3) We will be crossing the galactic equator on or about December 21, 2012. This is the densest part of space in terms of gravity and electromagnetic energy.

4) Ice core samples reflect cosmic bombardments in the earth's past which seem to come in cycles or waves.

5) Fossil records indicate mass extinctions, in the very recent past. I'm not talking about dinosaurs, I am talking about the mega-fauna, like the cave bear and saber toothed tiger which roamed the earth just 10,000 years ago. What killed these ferocious, adaptive, scavenging omnivores, along with every other living mammal on the planet at the time?

6) According to NASA satellite data, our galaxy is entering an area of "local fluff'... a pleasant sounding term for an electromagnetic band of plasma which is 6000 degrees Celsius. According to one researcher, "There could be interesting times ahead!"

7) Most indigenous cultures speak of a time when the sun rose in the west and set in the east.

8) We are seeing new kinds of cloud formations never before recorded by meteorologists.

9) We are experiencing the new phenomena of the "mega-storm"... more powerful weather cells than have ever been recorded by man.

10) A brand new form of lightning coined "megalightning" has appeared on the scene. It is 1000 ties stronger than conventional strikes, and one scientist said it's discovery was akin to a doctor discovering a new body part.

11) There have been massive species die-offs, from birds, to fish, to whales, to crabs...

12) Those with power and money are spending billions if not trillions of dollars to construct underground bases and cities.

DON'T PANIC UNDULY, BUT DON'T BURY YOUR COLLECTIVE HEADS IN THE SAND EITHER. THE TIMES THEY ARE A CHANGIN'

[BestLion]

Below is online with what happens with massive solar flares.They hit before in 1859..Here is the history of that event 2012 is said by the Mayans destruction coming from the sun

The Carrington Effect (CME)



A Super Solar Flare

At 11:18 AM on the cloudless morning of Thursday, September 1, 1859, 33-year-old Richard Carrington—widely acknowledged to be one of England’s foremost solar astronomers—was in his well-appointed private observatory. Just as usual on every sunny day, his telescope was projecting an 11-inch-wide image of the sun on a screen, and Carrington skillfully drew the sunspots he saw.

On that morning, he was capturing the likeness of an enormous group of sunspots. Suddenly, before his eyes, two brilliant beads of blinding white light appeared over the sunspots, intensified rapidly, and became kidney-shaped. Realizing that he was witnessing something unprecedented and "being somewhat flurried by the surprise," Carrington later wrote, "I hastily ran to call someone to witness the exhibition with me. On returning within 60 seconds, I was mortified to find that it was already much changed and enfeebled." He and his witness watched the white spots contract to mere pinpoints and disappear.

It was 11:23 AM. Only five minutes had passed.

Just before dawn the next day, skies all over planet Earth erupted in red, green, and purple auroras so brilliant that newspapers could be read as easily as in daylight. Indeed, stunning auroras pulsated even at near tropical latitudes over Cuba, the Bahamas, Jamaica, El Salvador, and Hawaii.

Even more disconcerting, telegraph systems worldwide went haywire. Spark discharges shocked telegraph operators and set the telegraph paper on fire. Even when telegraphers disconnected the batteries powering the lines, aurora-induced electric currents in the wires still allowed messages to be transmitted.

"What Carrington saw was a white-light solar flare—a magnetic explosion on the sun," explains David Hathaway, solar physics team lead at NASA’s Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Alabama.

The explosion produced not only a surge of visible light but also a mammoth cloud of charged particles and detached magnetic loops—a "CME"—and hurled that cloud directly toward Earth.

The next morning when the CME arrived, it crashed into Earth’s magnetic field, causing the global bubble of magnetism that surrounds our planet to shake and quiver. Researchers call this a "geomagnetic storm." Rapidly moving fields induced enormous electric currents that surged through telegraph lines and disrupted communications.

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The Biggest Solar Storm in History

It was the 2 September 1859 -the day after Carrington had notice the solar flare. The clipper ship Southern Cross was off Chile when, at 1:30am, it sailed into a living hell.

Hailstones from above and waves from all around whipped the deck.

When the wind-lashed ocean spray fell away to leeward, the men noticed they were sailing in an ocean of blood.

The colour was reflected from the sky, which, they could see – even through the clouds – was wreathed in an all-encompassing red glow.

The sailors recognized the lights as the southern aurora that usually graced the skies near the Antarctic Circle, just as their northern counterparts cling to the Arctic. To see them from this far north was highly unusual.

As the gale subsided, they witnessed an even more astonishing display.

Fiery lights loomed against the horizon as if some terrible conflagration had engulfed the Earth.

Vivid bolts flew across the now clear sky in spiral streaks and exploded in silent brilliance, as if the very souls of all humanity were fleeing whatever cataclysm had befallen the planet.


Upon their arrival at San Francisco, the ship’s company discovered that theirs was not an isolated experience.

Two thirds of the Earth’s skies had been similarly smothered. Also, there was a sinister side to the aurora.

The beguiling lights had disabled the telegraph system, wiping out communications across the world.

For days, nature refused to allow these arteries of information to flow freely. It was as if today’s Internet had suddenly, inexplicably shut down. Worse still, the aurora also threatened life and limb.
In Philadelphia, a telegrapher was stunned by a severe shock. In some offices the equipment burst into flames.

In Bergen, Norway, the operators had to scramble to disconnect the apparatus, risking electrocution. On top of this, compasses spun uselessly under the grip of the aurora, disrupting global navigation.

[BestLion]

“If a solar storm of the magnitude of the Carrington flare were to occur today, the effect on our modern technologically dependent society would be grave.

Of these, the greatest threat would lie in the loss of stable electrical power. A massive solar storm could destroy many of the large custom Extra High Voltage (EHV) power transformer in the United States.

Imagine the effect of a total power blackout for months/years on 100 million people in the U.S. along with many millions across the globe.

Imagine the effect on the entire earth, if it was big enough.

What would happen without Power and Electricity if a major solar flare hit the earth?

First to go – immediately for some people – is drinkable water.

Anyone living in a high-rise apartment, where water has to be pumped to reach them, would be cut off straight away.

For the rest, drinking water will still come through the taps for maybe half a day. With no electricity to pump water from reservoirs, there is no more after that.


There is simply no electrically powered transport: no trains, underground or overground.

Our just-in-time culture for delivery networks may represent the pinnacle of efficiency, but it means that supermarket shelves would empty very quickly – delivery trucks could only keep running until their tanks ran out of fuel, and there is no electricity to pump any more from the underground tanks at filling stations.

Back-up generators would run at pivotal sites – but only until their fuel ran out. For hospitals, that would mean about 72 hours of running a bare-bones, essential care only, service. After that, no more modern healthcare.

The truly shocking finding is that this whole situation would not improve for months, maybe years: melted transformer hubs cannot be repaired, only replaced.

Even when some systems are capable of receiving power again, there is no guarantee there will be any to deliver.

Almost all natural gas and fuel pipelines require electricity to operate.

Coal-fired power stations usually keep reserves to last 30 days, but with no transport systems running to bring more fuel, there will be no electricity in the second month.


…With no power for heating, cooling or refrigeration systems, people could begin to die within days.

There is immediate danger for those who rely on medication.

Lose power to New Jersey, for instance, and you have lost a major centre of production of pharmaceuticals for the entire US.

Perishable medications such as insulin will soon be in short supply.

"In the US alone there are a million people with diabetes," Kappenman says. "Shut down production, distribution and storage and you put all those lives at risk in very short order."

[TargeT]

Posted by BestLion (here)
[Our just-in-time culture for delivery networks may represent the pinnacle of efficiency, but it means that supermarket shelves would empty very quickly – delivery trucks could only keep running until their tanks ran out of fuel, and there is no electricity to pump any more from the underground tanks at filling stations.

Back-up generators would run at pivotal sites – but only until their fuel ran out. For hospitals, that would mean about 72 hours of running a bare-bones, essential care only, service. After that, no more modern healthcare.

The truly shocking finding is that this whole situation would not improve for months, maybe years: melted transformer hubs cannot be repaired, only replaced.

Even when some systems are capable of receiving power again, there is no guarantee there will be any to deliver.

Almost all natural gas and fuel pipelines require electricity to operate.

Coal-fired power stations usually keep reserves to last 30 days, but with no transport systems running to bring more fuel, there will be no electricity in the second month.


…With no power for heating, cooling or refrigeration systems, people could begin to die within days.

There is immediate danger for those who rely on medication.

Lose power to New Jersey, for instance, and you have lost a major centre of production of pharmaceuticals for the entire US.

Perishable medications such as insulin will soon be in short supply.

"In the US alone there are a million people with diabetes," Kappenman says. "Shut down production, distribution and storage and you put all those lives at risk in very short order."

a CME of that scale would render anything built after 1950 (guessing here...) vehicle wise useless, as most vehicles have key systems dependant on transistors... in other words gasoline would be good for fires, thats about it.. 98% of vehicles would cease to function untill key eletrical components were replaced. computers are especially vulnerable as the faster they go the smaller and more delicate the transistors are...

One nuclear explosion in the atmosphere over the US would take out 80% of the US's eletrical grid... this is a huge vulnerability.

[gooty64]

I just watched the whole Patrick Geryl video. Outstanding!
A new thread with this video would be much better than the wretched video at the top of this thread.
Before I do that, I will take some research to see if there has been any action on Avalon regarding Geryl since this 2009 interview. Or to see if has been debunked or updated...

Posted by BestLion (here)

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVwlru1-5A4

You can listen the interview with Bill and Kasey here.Geryl theorised that the expanding universe was "accelerating" in the face of the orthodox scientific view of one which is slowing down.
In 1998 he was proved correct.
And in 2008 his theory that that there were galaxies in our universe that move at the speed of light was also proven right.

[Tarka the Duck]

@ gooty

Hello! The site 2012hoax.org is interesting if you want to investigate other reviews of his work.

Kathie

[BestLion]

Posted by Tarka the Duck (here)
@ gooty

Hello! The site 2012hoax.org is interesting if you want to investigate other reviews of his work.

Kathie

I just looked at this site, and I do think it is good to get BOTH sides of any case, esp a end of the world senerio. i totally agree that most 2012 people are after the money, write books, or scam people into giving money via their business 'they sell survival stuff".
The main thing about 2012 I am slightly disturb about is 1. The cosmic alignment with the black hole (dark Rift). This happens every 25,000 or so years, and no scientist knows what will happen, can only speculate..maybe nothing, maybe something 2. Solar flares- Nasa says we are overdue for a solar flare of unprecedented power, these have hit in the past..like the major one in 1859. 3. What is disturbing is that it appears every 25,000 years some cataclysmic even happens on earth..are we due again? Sure this will happen again..will it be 2012 or 9012?
Those are the three items I feel may be troubling about 2012.

[joedjemal]

Posted by Bollinger (here)
The formula is very old and established and does actually manage to bring the money in. What is this formula?

First you find a niche. In this case it is a new and unique way of ending the world or predicting some catastrophe that would affect thousands or millions.
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Second, ensure that the niche you pick has enough human interest to draw sufficient attention (something like the end of the world should do it). In other words, you must find a way to somehow scream a little bit louder than your competitor scammers. That’s your marketing strategy.

Third, you have to be a very good actor; e.g. able to lie without batting an eye lid and losing composure.

Fourth, you must find the proper medium through which to spread your “prediction” and it must appear to have some token legitimacy on which people can focus and rationalise. For example, appearing on TV should do it. Even if you get torn apart, it doesn’t matter. The very fact that you appeared is often enough. Failing that, write a book and ensure the targeted audience reads it and if you can get it endorsed (seemingly or otherwise) by a well-known figure, all the better.

Fifth, continue to promote your material through whatever means possible and where appropriate, get others also to talk about it. Why not make a YouTube video and even if the comments are unkind, sufficient number of people might see it and even if 1 per mille who come into contact with your material actually part with money that ends up in your pocked, job’s done.

The five steps to easy income. Just sit back and let the money roll in; never mind that you have scared the living daylights out of people. The goal is money. When the date comes and goes and nothing happens, there will be no refunds.

The most convincing of the false prophets out there are those who are so infatuated with their own ideas that they actually believe it themselves.

I myself do not subscribe to anything in the doom and gloom psyche that is in abundance. The sun still has a good 10,000 years of life left in it and provided we don’t destroy ourselves before we grow up and start looking for ways to survive natural disasters (planet-wide I mean) instead of creating more reason to kill each other, it is possible that this world may be stricken by some natural disaster but we may see it come to pass from 200 miles up on giant monitors or even prevent it from happening altogether.

Our survival depends very much on our desire to continue. Greed and elitism will not save anyone.

Absolutely. One niggle, the sun is in the middle of its main sequence, it has at least four billion more years of life in its current state not ten thousand.

[Bollinger]

Posted by joedjemal (here)
Absolutely. One niggle, the sun is in the middle of its main sequence, it has at least four billion more years of life in its current state not ten thousand.

Thanks Joe. There are many estimates as to when it will actually die and when it will start to die. The sooner of these will affect earth and without actually looking it up I recalled having read it somewhere but it was a long time ago and I'm willing to be corrected.

Suffice to say though that (as far as the sun is concerned) we have plenty of time to start heading in the right direction with regard to what happens here on Earth.

[panopticon]

G'day All,

For those who are interested in the possible impacts of a major solar "event" (or an EMP strike) on modern society, the following may be of interest:

http://www.breadandbutterscience.com/SSTA.pdf
http://www.empcommission.org/
http://www.nap.edu/catalog/12507.html
http://www.thespacereview.com/article/1549/1
http://www.thespacereview.com/article/1549/2
http://www.solarstorms.org
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/HT...rm-in-history/
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news...rringtonflare/
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news...ct_superstorm/

Apologies for not participating but I've got alot on the go at the moment.

Kind Regards,
Panopticon